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Juc
2020-07-17 12:48:42 AM  
The Boeing market was crashing before this but I can't imagine this helping much.
 
2020-07-17 1:04:25 AM  
The 747 was on the way out years ago.  The 777 and the 787 have the same range, nearly the same pax load, and WAY cheaper to fly.

The only reason that the 747-8 was built was for cargo companies.
 
2020-07-17 2:00:32 AM  

Lovesandwich: The 747 was on the way out years ago.  The 777 and the 787 have the same range, nearly the same pax load, and WAY cheaper to fly.

The only reason that the 747-8 was built was for cargo companies.


It was in the 1960's that Pan Am asked Boeing to build a plane twice the size of the 707.  It helped bring air travel to the masses.
 
2020-07-17 2:21:13 AM  
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Xai [TotalFark]
2020-07-17 3:42:00 AM  
I was lucky enough to fly on one to cape town. It reminded me a lot of inception.
 
2020-07-17 4:52:01 AM  
I love that enormous flying bellend. It's like someone was like, man, this long hard flying shaft is pretty phallic, but it just isn't penis enough. We need at least 20% more penis.

And someone was like, what if we give it an uncut head. Make it bulge out more, then taper forward.

And someone else was like, okay, obviously a great look, but, what would we do with it?

And the other guy was like, idgaf bro, put like a bar in it, or some swanky-ass first class lounges, the dick plane is gonna ball hard

And then they all high fived.

Pretty sure that is what happened.
 
2020-07-17 5:07:00 AM  
And yet there are two new Air Force One 747s on the way, which will be in service for the next twenty years. It's going to look really dated.
 
2020-07-17 6:02:00 AM  
Qantas just retired their last 747 today
 
2020-07-17 7:00:16 AM  
I've been fortunate enough to fly first class on BA 747s in the past.  One of the best trips took place in seat 1A....which meant I was closer to the nose of the plane than the pilots.

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2020-07-17 7:03:56 AM  

pkjun: Pretty sure that is what happened.


It was the 1960's, so they were also making jokes about the other guys' slide rules.  So it wasn't perfect.
 
2020-07-17 7:42:03 AM  
It's a 50+-year-old plane. It was great, but there are way more efficient platforms out there.
 
2020-07-17 7:44:06 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: And yet there are two new Air Force One 747s on the way, which will be in service for the next twenty years. It's going to look really dated.


Hell, they still fly military variants of the 707.
 
2020-07-17 8:03:00 AM  
747, 727,DC-10, L1011....I got to fly on all of them when I was a kid. I lived in Minneapolis and my grandparents lived on the east coast, so every summer was trip out for a month or so to stay with them, and me by myself in the airports.... Back when Northwest Orient was a big deal. Back then the Captain would bring you in to the cockpit, let you sit in his seat while he explained the controls, and then he'd pin some plastic wings on you. The 747 may be obsolete, but no other plane says Jet Age so well.
 
2020-07-17 8:44:18 AM  

FlashHarry: Carter Pewterschmidt: And yet there are two new Air Force One 747s on the way, which will be in service for the next twenty years. It's going to look really dated.

Hell, they still fly military variants of the 707.


Not to mention what used to be called JSTAR or something close to that.

I lived near the Melbourne, FL, airport when the system was developed.  They'd crank up those old, loud engines in the middle of the night.  Wonnnnnderful for sleeping.
 
2020-07-17 8:58:18 AM  

Juc: The Boeing market was crashing before this but I can't imagine this helping much.


They have to replace them with new planes, so I can imagine it will help Boeing if they order replacements partly or fully from them.

That they retire an old plane, can hardly hurt Boeing IMHO, it doesn't really cost them money or prestige.
 
2020-07-17 9:05:27 AM  

Xai: I was lucky enough to fly on one to cape town. It reminded me a lot of inception.


Climbing down the ladder from it at the Cape Town airport was... special.  Not sure how you'd get out if you were old or disabled.
 
2020-07-17 10:39:19 AM  

The_Sponge: I've been fortunate enough to fly first class on BA 747s in the past.  One of the best trips took place in seat 1A....which meant I was closer to the nose of the plane than the pilots.

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British Airways has the best business class seat except it's in first class...

/never did like their first class offering
//but not paying for it made it palatable
///their business class seats were terrible
 
2020-07-17 11:00:59 AM  

NotThatGuyAgain: lived near the Melbourne, FL, airport when the system was developed.  They'd crank up those old, loud engines in the middle of the night.  Wonnnnnderful for sleeping.


I live in Omaha, just a few miles from Offutt AFB, so I see the E4s flying low and slow all the time. It's actually pretty cool.
 
2020-07-17 11:26:09 AM  
The other 4-engined passenger jets, A340 and A380, are also on the endangered list
 
2020-07-17 11:41:41 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: Juc: The Boeing market was crashing before this but I can't imagine this helping much.

They have to replace them with new planes, so I can imagine it will help Boeing if they order replacements partly or fully from them.

That they retire an old plane, can hardly hurt Boeing IMHO, it doesn't really cost them money or prestige.


They don't have to replace these 747s.  They have enough planes.  They need passengers.
 
2020-07-17 11:45:32 AM  
Flew from Rio de Janeiro to JFK in the 90s on a Varig 747 business class on the clients dime

Slept all night

Great airplane
 
2020-07-17 11:54:32 AM  

HempHead: It helped bring air travel to the masses.


And then the masses kept getting bigger, and the seats kept getting smaller and closer together.
 
2020-07-17 12:03:53 PM  

FlashHarry: Carter Pewterschmidt: And yet there are two new Air Force One 747s on the way, which will be in service for the next twenty years. It's going to look really dated.

Hell, they still fly military variants of the 707.


The BAC Comet flew eight years before the 707, and they retired the military version in 2011. They had a hugely updated version in development which would have flown for another couple of decades but that was scrapped at the same time due to long delays and cost overrun.  Going to all that trouble to fit new engines and new avionics to a sixty year old airframe seems rather pointless. Around that time there were lots of surplus 757s mothballed that could have been bought cheaply, a far more modern airframe that already had modern avionics and engines.
 
2020-07-17 12:54:25 PM  
I feel nostalgic about the jumbo jet.  As a child, I flew with my folks several times in the 1980's to Tokyo and Manila on Northwest Orient's 747's (when NWA was still called Northwest Orient)

The most memorable bit was flying one time in the upper cabin.  I think it was the one time we got bumped up to business class.   It's a small cabin with not a lot of seats and it had its own dedicated flight attendants so it was pretty awesome service.
 
2020-07-17 1:37:06 PM  

Lovesandwich: The 747 was on the way out years ago.  The 777 and the 787 have the same range, nearly the same pax load, and WAY cheaper to fly.

The only reason that the 747-8 was built was for cargo companies.


?? The 747 is 50% bigger dude. That's not "nearly" the same. Also the 747-8 was built to keep the line open so Boeing could get the AF1 contract, they don't give a fark about cargo companies. They're probably losing money on every cargo plane because they're running the line at such slow speeds.
 
2020-07-17 1:40:00 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: And yet there are two new Air Force One 747s on the way, which will be in service for the next twenty years. It's going to look really dated.


Think you misspelled "awesome"? Might want to fix the autocorrect settings in your phone
 
2020-07-17 1:59:58 PM  

whatisaidwas: Ketchuponsteak: Juc: The Boeing market was crashing before this but I can't imagine this helping much.

They have to replace them with new planes, so I can imagine it will help Boeing if they order replacements partly or fully from them.

That they retire an old plane, can hardly hurt Boeing IMHO, it doesn't really cost them money or prestige.

They don't have to replace these 747s.  They have enough planes.  They need passengers.


It was teh drop in passenger miles that precipitated the early withdrawl
 
2020-07-17 2:16:48 PM  

stevesporn2000: Carter Pewterschmidt: And yet there are two new Air Force One 747s on the way, which will be in service for the next twenty years. It's going to look really dated.

Think you misspelled "awesome"? Might want to fix the autocorrect settings in your phone


I have my doubts. There have been many iconic cars that bought out new versions and within a year or so the older version looks really dated. The 747 is such an iconic and distinctive shape but in a few years it will IMHO look old, not helped by Trumps bland new paint job which means it won't even benefit from the classic history of AF1.
 
2020-07-17 2:23:58 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: stevesporn2000: Carter Pewterschmidt: And yet there are two new Air Force One 747s on the way, which will be in service for the next twenty years. It's going to look really dated.

Think you misspelled "awesome"? Might want to fix the autocorrect settings in your phone

I have my doubts. There have been many iconic cars that bought out new versions and within a year or so the older version looks really dated. The 747 is such an iconic and distinctive shape but in a few years it will IMHO look old, not helped by Trumps bland new paint job which means it won't even benefit from the classic history of AF1.


Maybe they'll wait for President Biden to approve the scheme before they paint the new plane.
 
2020-07-17 2:26:02 PM  
RIP 747.  I loved flying business class in the upper deck. I would go out of my way to choose it the route option that had it.   Quiet and you felt like you were in your own little world.

The technology was outdated and it may not have had all the gizmos that the current planes. However when I have flown business class on the newer planes it just does not the same experience.
 
2020-07-17 3:37:28 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: The BAC Comet flew eight years before the 707, and they retired the military version in 2011.


I stepped out of work about 10 years ago for a smoke (back when I smoked), looked up and saw a Nimrod flying right above me. An odd sight for Nebraska, which is about as far away from the ocean as you can be, until I remembered the big air show was that weekend.
 
2020-07-17 6:31:15 PM  

whatisaidwas: Carter Pewterschmidt: stevesporn2000: Carter Pewterschmidt: And yet there are two new Air Force One 747s on the way, which will be in service for the next twenty years. It's going to look really dated.

Think you misspelled "awesome"? Might want to fix the autocorrect settings in your phone

I have my doubts. There have been many iconic cars that bought out new versions and within a year or so the older version looks really dated. The 747 is such an iconic and distinctive shape but in a few years it will IMHO look old, not helped by Trumps bland new paint job which means it won't even benefit from the classic history of AF1.

Maybe they'll wait for President Biden to approve the scheme before they paint the new plane.


One of the many things I'm hopeful for, but let's be honest, they have a long to do list to get down before saving AF1s iconic image will be up to address.
 
2020-07-17 8:19:59 PM  

HempHead: Lovesandwich: The 747 was on the way out years ago.  The 777 and the 787 have the same range, nearly the same pax load, and WAY cheaper to fly.

The only reason that the 747-8 was built was for cargo companies.

It was in the 1960's that Pan Am asked Boeing to build a plane twice the size of the 707.  It helped bring air travel to the masses.


Pan-am had Boeing build the 747-100...the 747-8 is the latest version of the plane and although a number of airlines bought them, the main reason that they continue to be built was for cargo companies.  If you would like, go to the Seattle Museum of flight, you can find the first built 747 there.
 
2020-07-17 8:48:55 PM  

inglixthemad: The_Sponge: I've been fortunate enough to fly first class on BA 747s in the past.  One of the best trips took place in seat 1A....which meant I was closer to the nose of the plane than the pilots.

[Fark user image 425x318]

British Airways has the best business class seat except it's in first class...

/never did like their first class offering
//but not paying for it made it palatable
///their business class seats were terrible


1) I love their first class.

2) But I know where you're coming from...first on other airlines is even better.  Emirates is a great example, and I have flown first class with them as well.

3) But business class on Emirates doesn't come close to first on BA.
 
2020-07-17 9:43:19 PM  

The_Sponge: inglixthemad: The_Sponge: I've been fortunate enough to fly first class on BA 747s in the past.  One of the best trips took place in seat 1A....which meant I was closer to the nose of the plane than the pilots.

[Fark user image 425x318]

British Airways has the best business class seat except it's in first class...

/never did like their first class offering
//but not paying for it made it palatable
///their business class seats were terrible

1) I love their first class.

2) But I know where you're coming from...first on other airlines is even better.  Emirates is a great example, and I have flown first class with them as well.

3) But business class on Emirates doesn't come close to first on BA.


With those crappy split seats used on the BA 747-8i and A380-800 Business? Those were some of the worst business class seats still in use today. They're an uncomfortable embarrassment, and the business class food was trash even compared to Delta or (worse) American. Heck I think even Al Italia had better food.
 
2020-07-18 8:52:33 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: And yet there are two new Air Force One 747s on the way, which will be in service for the next twenty years. It's going to look really dated.


Optics of transporting POTUS demand 4 engines.

The 747 can cut an engine and continue to its destination on 3 engines. Any twinjet that cuts an engine must divert. It would look bad for POTUS flying somewhere (unsecured, too) to divert for an engine failure, so both the Air Force and Secret Service demanded that the replacement AF1 have 4 engines.

Airbus A380 was the only other possible replacement, but Airbus was not going to be able to build 2-3 aircraft in the United States as required in the contract. That, and there would be an unbelievable amount of biatching from Boeing if the Pentagon chose Airbus as the winning bidder - look what Boeing did for the tanker contract.

It's almost openly acknowledged that part of Boeing offering the 747-8 and keeping that plane going was to win the bid on the newest AF1 for prestige bragging rights.
 
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