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2020-07-16 8:45:15 AM  
Gotta put those poors in place first.
 
2020-07-16 11:02:54 AM  
Unemployment package will expire before my co-workers and I get our unemployment...

To be fair we've been working now longer than we were laid off.
 
2020-07-16 11:03:30 AM  
 The UE max in my state is two-something. Sure, you can pay your internet and/or phone bill, electric, and get SNAP for modest eating. But how in hell are you supposed to pay rent/ mortgage?  Do you know anyone paying $500 for rent?
 
2020-07-16 11:41:51 AM  
The willful hateful ignorance is stunning.
 
2020-07-16 11:52:26 AM  
It's incredible to watch Republicans blow up the entire economy in an election year because they'd rather lose their jobs and see the country bankrupted than let a single poor get a single cent out of the billions and billions they're shovelling at billionaires.
 
2020-07-16 1:06:04 PM  

dickfreckle: The UE max in my state is two-something. Sure, you can pay your internet and/or phone bill, electric, and get SNAP for modest eating. But how in hell are you supposed to pay rent/ mortgage?  Do you know anyone paying $500 for rent?


Mortgage here is $503/all in with insurance/escrow etc. Taxes just went up. 2 months ago it was $460ish. Very deliberate with where I moved for this reason. Not really replicable as home prices in my hood would now push it to like $750-$800.
 
2020-07-16 2:00:24 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: The willful hateful ignorance is stunning.


I wish it felt stunning instead of feeling routine and predictable.
 
2020-07-16 2:03:50 PM  
What a very mean thing for the Republicans to do deliberately to harm Donald J Trump's election.
 
2020-07-16 2:05:07 PM  
Republicans are eyeing a return-to-work stipend as well as tax breaks for employers who upgrade workplaces with safety measures to prevent the spread of the virus.

I'm sorry, what?

How broken is America's economic system that companies won't implement basic safety measures without getting tax breaks first?
 
2020-07-16 2:05:22 PM  

AsparagusFTW: dickfreckle: The UE max in my state is two-something. Sure, you can pay your internet and/or phone bill, electric, and get SNAP for modest eating. But how in hell are you supposed to pay rent/ mortgage?  Do you know anyone paying $500 for rent?

Mortgage here is $503/all in with insurance/escrow etc. Taxes just went up. 2 months ago it was $460ish. Very deliberate with where I moved for this reason. Not really replicable as home prices in my hood would now push it to like $750-$800.


$985 for a crappy 1br apartment. Utilities included except electric.
 
2020-07-16 2:06:51 PM  
Yeah, this is what's called "old news". Who didn't know this? It expires at the end of the month, and they're just barely talking about which proposal they might choose. This isn't some kind of stealth operation that nobody saw coming, I'm not sure where the confusion lies here.
 
2020-07-16 2:07:18 PM  

AsparagusFTW: Gotta put those poors in place first.


The rich keep raping the poors and committing violence against them and the poors keep taking it.

At some point the poors are gonna lash out.
 
2020-07-16 2:08:09 PM  

dumbobruni: Republicans are eyeing a return-to-work stipend as well as tax breaks for employers who upgrade workplaces with safety measures to prevent the spread of the virus.

I'm sorry, what?

How broken is America's economic system that companies won't implement basic safety measures without getting tax breaks first?


I don't understand what tax there is to cut. It's a business expense. It is it's own tax deduction.
 
2020-07-16 2:09:45 PM  
1.5 trillion front ended against how losses, mo problems.

500 million so people dont have to revert to cannibalism or theft, fark that.

It is the gop way.

Just remember poors, your alt right prepper neighbor has a stockpile of food and has to sleep sometime.
 
2020-07-16 2:10:07 PM  

puffy999: Unemployment package will expire before my co-workers and I get our unemployment...

To be fair we've been working now longer than we were laid off.


Yeah, I got employed before I got a penny in unemployment, because my employer gave me a pretty good severance when I got laid off. Unfortunately, I jumped at the first job that came my way, it absolute shiat, and I can't quit if I want unemployment. I'm stuck in this shiat job until I find another, but I'm running out of excuses to duck work for interviews, and there's no way to sneak away during the work day without being noticed.
 
2020-07-16 2:10:24 PM  

AsparagusFTW: dickfreckle: The UE max in my state is two-something. Sure, you can pay your internet and/or phone bill, electric, and get SNAP for modest eating. But how in hell are you supposed to pay rent/ mortgage?  Do you know anyone paying $500 for rent?

Mortgage here is $503/all in with insurance/escrow etc. Taxes just went up. 2 months ago it was $460ish. Very deliberate with where I moved for this reason. Not really replicable as home prices in my hood would now push it to like $750-$800.


Do you live in an actual shack in the middle of Alabama? Single wide trailers cost more per month than what you pay.
 
2020-07-16 2:10:24 PM  

thiefofdreams: 1.5 trillion front ended against how losses, mo problems.

500 million so people dont have to revert to cannibalism or theft, fark that.

It is the gop way.

Just remember poors, your alt right prepper neighbor has a stockpile of food and has to sleep sometime.


Against hotel losses. Damn phone ate that part.
 
2020-07-16 2:11:32 PM  

pkjun: It's incredible to watch Republicans blow up the entire economy in an election year because they'd rather lose their jobs and see the country bankrupted than let a single poor get a single cent out of the billions and billions they're shovelling at billionaires.


They've been not governing so long they've forgotten how. They think the only job of government is to rob people, and they've been doing it so long they literally cannot perform any other function.
 
2020-07-16 2:12:13 PM  

puffy999: Unemployment package will expire before my co-workers and I get our unemployment...

To be fair we've been working now longer than we were laid off.


This is what's happened to my wife.  She's been self-employed for over a decade, so oddly enough they had no employment records for her in the state we moved to eight years ago.  So they started with a denial and requested paperwork.  We got them the paperwork, but because I was sick (*with* Covid, or what was most likely Covid - the doctor I talked to didn't want me to take a test) we were delayed in getting them the information (our scanner wasn't working).  We got them the information, they processed it...  and denied her anyway, because they got the information an hour or two after the deadline ('business hours' vs 'that day').  So she had to file an appeal.

This is on top of us not having gotten our stimulus checks, because the IRS took 14 weeks to process our amended returns and ended up closing their return processing center before they entered in final approval.  (I mailed them my 2019 taxes this week; want to bet they manage to cash the check and process this year's return before releasing the stimulus check?)

Fortunately, A: my new business (which doesn't qualify for any of the small business loan stuff, having made -$721 in profit last year) is doing reasonably well (I'm on track to make 60% of what I made last year, pre-tax net) and B: my unemployment was just an extension of my 'welp, I've been laid off, I'll take unemployment until my business stabilizes' unemployment that was supposed to end back in January.  Which is good, since once more I didn't meet the requirements of PUA.

Of course, I had to send them my ID and SS card, and once more my scanner was not working while I was sick, so that meant that I had to send it to them after the deadline and file an appeal...  but they got back to me relatively quickly.

The only 'smooth' part of this whole thing has been the mortgage deferral.  We applied, got approved, made the next payment anyway (because we thought we were doing OK with the coming payments), and then stopped...  so in a few months we'll have an almost $7k mortgage bill to pay.  Which should *just barely* be possible given my current workload.  Assuming I get paid.
 
2020-07-16 2:12:44 PM  
"...and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage. "
 
2020-07-16 2:13:43 PM  

dickfreckle: The UE max in my state is two-something. Sure, you can pay your internet and/or phone bill, electric, and get SNAP for modest eating. But how in hell are you supposed to pay rent/ mortgage?  Do you know anyone paying $500 for rent?


Absolutely, are you crazy?  They're called "roommates", look into it. Not only does it save huge on rent, it also cuts your bills to a fractions.

When I was recovering financially from a divorce, I shared a 4 bedroom house with five total occupant.  It never once occurred to me that I someone else should sacrifice so I could have my own exterior walls.  I don't know how we got to a place where everyone feels like society owes them their own little castle.  If you can afford your own place, great, if you can't, it's time to compromise a bit.  So you might have to clean up after yourself a little better - boo hoo.
 
2020-07-16 2:14:10 PM  

Horizon: AsparagusFTW: dickfreckle: The UE max in my state is two-something. Sure, you can pay your internet and/or phone bill, electric, and get SNAP for modest eating. But how in hell are you supposed to pay rent/ mortgage?  Do you know anyone paying $500 for rent?

Mortgage here is $503/all in with insurance/escrow etc. Taxes just went up. 2 months ago it was $460ish. Very deliberate with where I moved for this reason. Not really replicable as home prices in my hood would now push it to like $750-$800.

Do you live in an actual shack in the middle of Alabama? Single wide trailers cost more per month than what you pay.


Bought in 14, just outside of the Detroit border. Home prices were rough here till 2016ish. Got in a fixed up bungalow for 47. Sales around here are 90ish. 20mins to downtown, lots of decent burbs nearby.
 
2020-07-16 2:19:25 PM  

dumbobruni: Republicans are eyeing a return-to-work stipend as well as tax breaks for employers who upgrade workplaces with safety measures to prevent the spread of the virus.

I'm sorry, what?

How broken is America's economic system that companies won't implement basic safety measures without getting tax breaks first?


I'm sure some bribes campaign donations from the oligarchy are encouraging that particular bullshiat.
 
2020-07-16 2:21:53 PM  

AsparagusFTW: Horizon: AsparagusFTW: dickfreckle: The UE max in my state is two-something. Sure, you can pay your internet and/or phone bill, electric, and get SNAP for modest eating. But how in hell are you supposed to pay rent/ mortgage?  Do you know anyone paying $500 for rent?

Mortgage here is $503/all in with insurance/escrow etc. Taxes just went up. 2 months ago it was $460ish. Very deliberate with where I moved for this reason. Not really replicable as home prices in my hood would now push it to like $750-$800.

Do you live in an actual shack in the middle of Alabama? Single wide trailers cost more per month than what you pay.

Bought in 14, just outside of the Detroit border. Home prices were rough here till 2016ish. Got in a fixed up bungalow for 47. Sales around here are 90ish. 20mins to downtown, lots of decent burbs nearby.


Wow that's nuts, Colorado's market is crazy right now. I'm so lucky I bought in 09 with the first time home buyer's credit. I read people talking yesterday about a 900sqft 1bdr apartment was totally worth 1500/month in this area.. which is still 400 more than I pay for my 3bdr/1700sqft house on 1/3 acre which has suddenly gained 300k in equity over a decade. The rest of this year is going to be rough for those less fortunate, which frustrates me to no end with this useless asshole in charge.
 
2020-07-16 2:24:04 PM  

dumbobruni: Republicans are eyeing a return-to-work stipend as well as tax breaks for employers who upgrade workplaces with safety measures to prevent the spread of the virus.

I'm sorry, what?

How broken is America's economic system that companies won't implement basic safety measures without getting tax breaks first?


Won't or can't?  Not every company is Amazon or Exxon.  Many, many small and medium sized businesses are on the rocks without free cash to do anything but stay afloat.   They're cutting everywhere they can to avoid cutting more staff or falling behind on other obligations.  This is the government offering to share in the cost of safety upgrades so they can afford to make them without firing more staff.
 
2020-07-16 2:26:06 PM  

sirgrim: AsparagusFTW: Horizon: AsparagusFTW: dickfreckle: The UE max in my state is two-something. Sure, you can pay your internet and/or phone bill, electric, and get SNAP for modest eating. But how in hell are you supposed to pay rent/ mortgage?  Do you know anyone paying $500 for rent?

Mortgage here is $503/all in with insurance/escrow etc. Taxes just went up. 2 months ago it was $460ish. Very deliberate with where I moved for this reason. Not really replicable as home prices in my hood would now push it to like $750-$800.

Do you live in an actual shack in the middle of Alabama? Single wide trailers cost more per month than what you pay.

Bought in 14, just outside of the Detroit border. Home prices were rough here till 2016ish. Got in a fixed up bungalow for 47. Sales around here are 90ish. 20mins to downtown, lots of decent burbs nearby.

Wow that's nuts, Colorado's market is crazy right now. I'm so lucky I bought in 09 with the first time home buyer's credit. I read people talking yesterday about a 900sqft 1bdr apartment was totally worth 1500/month in this area.. which is still 400 more than I pay for my 3bdr/1700sqft house on 1/3 acre which has suddenly gained 300k in equity over a decade. The rest of this year is going to be rough for those less fortunate, which frustrates me to no end with this useless asshole in charge.


My original thought was to squat here and flip, pay off college debt. But with the mortgage so cheap, I paid it off and kept the house. My living expenses will never be this low, ever again. I may even pay it off in a few years to own it outright by my 38th bday or so. Highest sales price was 103, sold in 2009 for 15, guy rented it out for 5years, then got tired of it. Fixed it all up nicely, sold to me for the 47. I won't ever have monster nominal gains, but even if the markets shiat 50%, I'll still be above water.
 
2020-07-16 2:26:40 PM  

Mikey1969: Yeah, this is what's called "old news". Who didn't know this? It expires at the end of the month, and they're just barely talking about which proposal they might choose. This isn't some kind of stealth operation that nobody saw coming, I'm not sure where the confusion lies here.


It hasn't been Greenlit on the Fark Pol-tab, probably.  Since half the submissions are links to Trump tweets.

This just in : Unemployment is at record levels and the entire US economy is going to collapse in the next few months as evictions soar, the stock market "self-corrects", and 30% of businesses that shut down never re-open.

But wait, something about Goya too.
 
2020-07-16 2:29:27 PM  

GrinzGrimly: dickfreckle: The UE max in my state is two-something. Sure, you can pay your internet and/or phone bill, electric, and get SNAP for modest eating. But how in hell are you supposed to pay rent/ mortgage?  Do you know anyone paying $500 for rent?

Absolutely, are you crazy?  They're called "roommates", look into it. Not only does it save huge on rent, it also cuts your bills to a fractions.

When I was recovering financially from a divorce, I shared a 4 bedroom house with five total occupant.  It never once occurred to me that I someone else should sacrifice so I could have my own exterior walls.  I don't know how we got to a place where everyone feels like society owes them their own little castle.  If you can afford your own place, great, if you can't, it's time to compromise a bit.  So you might have to clean up after yourself a little better - boo hoo.


I can't imagine why someone would want to divorce you, give your posting history here. She (or he, NTTIAWWT) is the lucky one.
 
2020-07-16 2:29:38 PM  

jethroe: Mikey1969: Yeah, this is what's called "old news". Who didn't know this? It expires at the end of the month, and they're just barely talking about which proposal they might choose. This isn't some kind of stealth operation that nobody saw coming, I'm not sure where the confusion lies here.

It hasn't been Greenlit on the Fark Pol-tab, probably.  Since half the submissions are links to Trump tweets.

This just in : Unemployment is at record levels and the entire US economy is going to collapse in the next few months as evictions soar, the stock market "self-corrects", and 30% of businesses that shut down never re-open.

But wait, something about Goya too.


This.

Unemployment is actually very difficult to track and count. Work 1 day this month then fired? Employed.

Every week they issue the Unemployment Insurance numbers, continuing claims for those benefits. 32m are on some sort of Gov assistance. Meaning unemployed, or underemployed. That equates to over 20% of total labor force pre covid, in Feb.

Going to get a whole lot worse.
 
2020-07-16 2:34:38 PM  

AsparagusFTW: sirgrim: AsparagusFTW: Horizon: AsparagusFTW: dickfreckle: The UE max in my state is two-something. Sure, you can pay your internet and/or phone bill, electric, and get SNAP for modest eating. But how in hell are you supposed to pay rent/ mortgage?  Do you know anyone paying $500 for rent?

Mortgage here is $503/all in with insurance/escrow etc. Taxes just went up. 2 months ago it was $460ish. Very deliberate with where I moved for this reason. Not really replicable as home prices in my hood would now push it to like $750-$800.

Do you live in an actual shack in the middle of Alabama? Single wide trailers cost more per month than what you pay.

Bought in 14, just outside of the Detroit border. Home prices were rough here till 2016ish. Got in a fixed up bungalow for 47. Sales around here are 90ish. 20mins to downtown, lots of decent burbs nearby.

Wow that's nuts, Colorado's market is crazy right now. I'm so lucky I bought in 09 with the first time home buyer's credit. I read people talking yesterday about a 900sqft 1bdr apartment was totally worth 1500/month in this area.. which is still 400 more than I pay for my 3bdr/1700sqft house on 1/3 acre which has suddenly gained 300k in equity over a decade. The rest of this year is going to be rough for those less fortunate, which frustrates me to no end with this useless asshole in charge.

My original thought was to squat here and flip, pay off college debt. But with the mortgage so cheap, I paid it off and kept the house. My living expenses will never be this low, ever again. I may even pay it off in a few years to own it outright by my 38th bday or so. Highest sales price was 103, sold in 2009 for 15, guy rented it out for 5years, then got tired of it. Fixed it all up nicely, sold to me for the 47. I won't ever have monster nominal gains, but even if the markets shiat 50%, I'll still be above water.


Feels good, but also feels terrible knowing about redlining and systematic racism keeping our neighbors from the same. UBI would have been such a great idea during this pandemic.
 
2020-07-16 2:35:59 PM  
UBI-analogues are basically the only thing holding both the economy and society together right now.

I'm sure we'll survive missing a couple weeks of the federal fortification of the unemployment system, but if the gap hits a month we probably won't have to bother with an election since all of the GOP candidates and some of the Dems are going to be too busy hanging from the trees next to their families in front of their burning mansions to campaign, and the polling places are going to be occupied with the guillotines.

Like... this stuff isn't "fixing the problem", this was already the last-straw, hail mary attempt to all close our eyes and throw all of our willpower into pretending that the ceiling wouldn't collapse on our heads long enough for the most immediate, deadly manifestation of the problem to at least back off a little.

Stripping away even the illusion that everything isn't farked beyond any kind of repair that doesn't involve tearing everything down and starting from scratch is not really a good plan.
 
2020-07-16 2:41:30 PM  

AsparagusFTW: Horizon: AsparagusFTW: dickfreckle: The UE max in my state is two-something. Sure, you can pay your internet and/or phone bill, electric, and get SNAP for modest eating. But how in hell are you supposed to pay rent/ mortgage?  Do you know anyone paying $500 for rent?

Mortgage here is $503/all in with insurance/escrow etc. Taxes just went up. 2 months ago it was $460ish. Very deliberate with where I moved for this reason. Not really replicable as home prices in my hood would now push it to like $750-$800.

Do you live in an actual shack in the middle of Alabama? Single wide trailers cost more per month than what you pay.

Bought in 14, just outside of the Detroit border. Home prices were rough here till 2016ish. Got in a fixed up bungalow for 47. Sales around here are 90ish. 20mins to downtown, lots of decent burbs nearby.


90-ish? Are you talking about back in 2014?  The burbs near Detroit start around 200k+ easy for a small starter house - more like 250 really.  We're talking  Ferndale, Royal Oak, Berkley - that area.

Plenty of houses for 90k in metro detroit but I'm assuming those are the ones with iron bars for the doors and windows, and highly recommended you own a firearm or two.
 
2020-07-16 2:48:47 PM  

SirEattonHogg: AsparagusFTW: Horizon: AsparagusFTW: dickfreckle: The UE max in my state is two-something. Sure, you can pay your internet and/or phone bill, electric, and get SNAP for modest eating. But how in hell are you supposed to pay rent/ mortgage?  Do you know anyone paying $500 for rent?

Mortgage here is $503/all in with insurance/escrow etc. Taxes just went up. 2 months ago it was $460ish. Very deliberate with where I moved for this reason. Not really replicable as home prices in my hood would now push it to like $750-$800.

Do you live in an actual shack in the middle of Alabama? Single wide trailers cost more per month than what you pay.

Bought in 14, just outside of the Detroit border. Home prices were rough here till 2016ish. Got in a fixed up bungalow for 47. Sales around here are 90ish. 20mins to downtown, lots of decent burbs nearby.

90-ish? Are you talking about back in 2014?  The burbs near Detroit start around 200k+ easy for a small starter house - more like 250 really.  We're talking  Ferndale, Royal Oak, Berkley - that area.

Plenty of houses for 90k in metro detroit but I'm assuming those are the ones with iron bars for the doors and windows, and highly recommended you own a firearm or two.


Redford. Same zip code as Detroit. It's not great, not bad either. I don't mind it. My house is about a 5minute walk to the Detroit border. That city spralls forever. Still 20 min drive to downtown.
 
2020-07-16 2:59:51 PM  

Mikey1969: puffy999: Unemployment package will expire before my co-workers and I get our unemployment...

To be fair we've been working now longer than we were laid off.

Yeah, I got employed before I got a penny in unemployment, because my employer gave me a pretty good severance when I got laid off. Unfortunately, I jumped at the first job that came my way, it absolute shiat, and I can't quit if I want unemployment. I'm stuck in this shiat job until I find another, but I'm running out of excuses to duck work for interviews, and there's no way to sneak away during the work day without being noticed.


If you get fired, you still get UI right? I just blankly kept ducking out of work to do video interviews in my car. Eventually, I just resigned on a Friday night and started my new job the next Monday.
 
2020-07-16 3:09:25 PM  
Can we stipulate that you have to wear a mask in order to receive these funds?
 
2020-07-16 3:13:22 PM  

AllCatsAreBeautiful: Mikey1969: puffy999: Unemployment package will expire before my co-workers and I get our unemployment...

To be fair we've been working now longer than we were laid off.

Yeah, I got employed before I got a penny in unemployment, because my employer gave me a pretty good severance when I got laid off. Unfortunately, I jumped at the first job that came my way, it absolute shiat, and I can't quit if I want unemployment. I'm stuck in this shiat job until I find another, but I'm running out of excuses to duck work for interviews, and there's no way to sneak away during the work day without being noticed.

If you get fired, you still get UI right? I just blankly kept ducking out of work to do video interviews in my car. Eventually, I just resigned on a Friday night and started my new job the next Monday.


Yes. Just not he extra.
 
2020-07-16 3:39:12 PM  

AllCatsAreBeautiful: Mikey1969: puffy999: Unemployment package will expire before my co-workers and I get our unemployment...

To be fair we've been working now longer than we were laid off.

Yeah, I got employed before I got a penny in unemployment, because my employer gave me a pretty good severance when I got laid off. Unfortunately, I jumped at the first job that came my way, it absolute shiat, and I can't quit if I want unemployment. I'm stuck in this shiat job until I find another, but I'm running out of excuses to duck work for interviews, and there's no way to sneak away during the work day without being noticed.

If you get fired, you still get UI right? I just blankly kept ducking out of work to do video interviews in my car. Eventually, I just resigned on a Friday night and started my new job the next Monday.


I think it depends on what you get fired for. If you take a shiat on the boss' desk, and then piss all over the front door, it's the kind firing you don't get UI for, but I'm not sure if it's just from poor attendance or something. I'm afraid to test it, though. Not the shiatting on the desk part, just the "regular" getting fired.
 
2020-07-16 6:29:40 PM  
Whatever the new stimulus deal is, I hope they shoot down Trump's fanatical demands for a payroll tax "holiday".

1. Such a tax break won't mean JACK SH*T to people unemployed or barely making much money to begin with.

2. It would cut the oxygen off from Social Security, accelerating it's default date from the 2030s to possibly yesterday. (And we know what "solutions" the GOP wants to propose for THAT).

3. Only the (you guessed it) filthy stinking rich would see any sort of windfall from it. "Trickle Down", MY ASS!
 
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