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(Washington Times)   Supreme Court clears way for 2nd federal execution this week with the court's four liberal members dissenting, saying getting dementia many years later after his horrible acts is the reason he doesn't deserve this   (washingtontimes.com) divider line
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2020-07-16 8:29:23 AM  
Everything about this story is a nightmare.
 
2020-07-16 8:32:51 AM  
I'm just trying to understand why, of all the possible sources subby could have picked for this story, the decision ended up being The Washington Times.
 
2020-07-16 9:15:05 AM  
if is indeed true that he has advanced dementia and cannot remember

Than this is just past sick
 
2020-07-16 9:33:06 AM  

baka-san: if is indeed true that he has advanced dementia and cannot remember

Than this is just past sick


Why?

Serious question. I don't believe in the death penalty in general, but why does their memory of the act affect the justice of the punishment?
 
2020-07-16 9:48:46 AM  

nmrsnr: baka-san: if is indeed true that he has advanced dementia and cannot remember

Than this is just past sick

Why?

Serious question. I don't believe in the death penalty in general, but why does their memory of the act affect the justice of the punishment?


My view on it would be if they have dementia, especially advanced dementia, the person that committed those crimes is already dead. Whatever consciousness was there before is gone. They're killing the shell of a person. I don't see the point to it in a way that advances justice.
 
2020-07-16 10:02:59 AM  

Professor_Doctor: My view on it would be if they have dementia, especially advanced dementia, the person that committed those crimes is already dead. Whatever consciousness was there before is gone. They're killing the shell of a person. I don't see the point to it in a way that advances justice.


I can see that position (there's a similarly themed Babylon 5 episode).

The only argument I could see is that it could provide some sort of closure or catharsis for the victims families, if in fact it would be a comfort to them, which is not necessarily true.
 
2020-07-16 10:25:24 AM  
Dementia? Well that just makes it easier to snuff him. Strap him to the gurney and tell him it's a carnival ride. Everybody wins.
 
2020-07-16 10:25:28 AM  

nmrsnr: baka-san: if is indeed true that he has advanced dementia and cannot remember

Than this is just past sick

Why?

Serious question. I don't believe in the death penalty in general, but why does their memory of the act affect the justice of the punishment?


Would you punish a piddling puppy 24 hours after he peed on a rug and completely forgot about it?
 
2020-07-16 10:26:15 AM  

baka-san: if is indeed true that he has advanced dementia and cannot remember

Than this is just past sick


I only favor capital punishment for using than in place of then.
 
2020-07-16 10:26:34 AM  

Professor_Doctor: nmrsnr: baka-san: if is indeed true that he has advanced dementia and cannot remember

Than this is just past sick

Why?

Serious question. I don't believe in the death penalty in general, but why does their memory of the act affect the justice of the punishment?

My view on it would be if they have dementia, especially advanced dementia, the person that committed those crimes is already dead. Whatever consciousness was there before is gone. They're killing the shell of a person. I don't see the point to it in a way that advances justice.


If they're just a shell, then are we really executing an actual person?
 
2020-07-16 10:26:42 AM  
Stupid libs! Don't they know that once you pull the lever the victims come back to life and the nation is healed?
Traitors all of em.
 
2020-07-16 10:28:43 AM  

nmrsnr: baka-san: if is indeed true that he has advanced dementia and cannot remember

Than this is just past sick

Why?

Serious question. I don't believe in the death penalty in general, but why does their memory of the act affect the justice of the punishment?


Really, dementia is the worse fate...
 
2020-07-16 10:29:17 AM  
Pro lifers love the death penalty.
 
2020-07-16 10:29:17 AM  

CthulhuCalling: Professor_Doctor: nmrsnr: baka-san: if is indeed true that he has advanced dementia and cannot remember

Than this is just past sick

Why?

Serious question. I don't believe in the death penalty in general, but why does their memory of the act affect the justice of the punishment?

My view on it would be if they have dementia, especially advanced dementia, the person that committed those crimes is already dead. Whatever consciousness was there before is gone. They're killing the shell of a person. I don't see the point to it in a way that advances justice.

If they're just a shell, then are we really executing an actual person?


That's a great philosophical question that I 1,000% don't trust the federal government to competently grapple with.
 
2020-07-16 10:30:52 AM  

nmrsnr: Professor_Doctor: My view on it would be if they have dementia, especially advanced dementia, the person that committed those crimes is already dead. Whatever consciousness was there before is gone. They're killing the shell of a person. I don't see the point to it in a way that advances justice.

I can see that position (there's a similarly themed Babylon 5 episode).

The only argument I could see is that it could provide some sort of closure or catharsis for the victims families, if in fact it would be a comfort to them, which is not necessarily true.


So it's not "justice" at all, then - it's "revenge".

// there's a reason we don't let the victim's sibling sit on the jury
 
2020-07-16 10:31:22 AM  

nmrsnr: Serious question. I don't believe in the death penalty in general, but why does their memory of the act affect the justice of the punishment?


I would argue that punishing someone for something they are no longer mentally capable of understanding constitutes cruel and unusual punishment--which used to be something we tried to avoid.
 
2020-07-16 10:32:22 AM  

Pocket Ninja: I'm just trying to understand why, of all the possible sources subby could have picked for this story, the decision ended up being The Washington Times.


I can't remember between the Washington Times and the Washington Free Beacon, which one is actually headquartered in Moscow and which one is owned by a recluse, right wing doomsday cult leader?
 
2020-07-16 10:33:57 AM  

nmrsnr: Serious question. I don't believe in the death penalty in general, but why does their memory of the act affect the justice of the punishment?



Because "justice" has nothing to do with the death penalty.
It's only purpose is retribution.
 
2020-07-16 10:34:17 AM  

baka-san: if is indeed true that he has advanced dementia and cannot remember

Than this is just past sick


Uh, his final statement he apologized for the pain he caused his victim. Farker deserved to die. Making him continue his life rotting in prison suffering from dementia though, hey, that is kind!
 
2020-07-16 10:34:44 AM  
Not great news for Trump.
 
2020-07-16 10:36:07 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: baka-san: if is indeed true that he has advanced dementia and cannot remember

Than this is just past sick

Uh, his final statement he apologized for the pain he caused his victim.


That doesn't mean he remembers any of it.
 
2020-07-16 10:36:22 AM  

nmrsnr: baka-san: if is indeed true that he has advanced dementia and cannot remember

Than this is just past sick

Why?

Serious question. I don't believe in the death penalty in general, but why does their memory of the act affect the justice of the punishment?


well except you're taking a person that doesn't know where they are or who they are and killing them.  BUT to me the death penalty isn't about the murderer, its supposed to be about "see what'll happen if you kill someone???"

and now we've even added "we'll kill you even if you don't know why we're killing you"
 
2020-07-16 10:37:59 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: the money is in the banana stand: baka-san: if is indeed true that he has advanced dementia and cannot remember

Than this is just past sick

Uh, his final statement he apologized for the pain he caused his victim.

That doesn't mean he remembers any of it.


I really don't give a shiat. Should have died years ago.
 
Ant
2020-07-16 10:38:29 AM  

nmrsnr: baka-san: if is indeed true that he has advanced dementia and cannot remember

Than this is just past sick

Why?

Serious question. I don't believe in the death penalty in general, but why does their memory of the act affect the justice of the punishment?


Because what's the point of the execution? The person who committed the murder is basically dead already.

If you execute someone who doesn't remember what they did, it's like executing a completely different person.
 
2020-07-16 10:38:45 AM  

baka-san: if is indeed true that he has advanced dementia and cannot remember

Than this is just past sick


We dont leave bears to roam neighborhoods if they kill someone.  They don't know what they did was wrong, its just part of their nature to hunt and kill.
 
2020-07-16 10:39:00 AM  

CthulhuCalling: Professor_Doctor: nmrsnr: baka-san: if is indeed true that he has advanced dementia and cannot remember

Than this is just past sick

Why?

Serious question. I don't believe in the death penalty in general, but why does their memory of the act affect the justice of the punishment?

My view on it would be if they have dementia, especially advanced dementia, the person that committed those crimes is already dead. Whatever consciousness was there before is gone. They're killing the shell of a person. I don't see the point to it in a way that advances justice.

If they're just a shell, then are we really executing an actual person?


So, you're saying Republicans aren't actually people...
 
2020-07-16 10:39:35 AM  
What about do not execute? The president said do no execute.

Oh sorry he was not talking about Americans.
 
2020-07-16 10:39:54 AM  

CthulhuCalling: Professor_Doctor: nmrsnr: baka-san: if is indeed true that he has advanced dementia and cannot remember

Than this is just past sick

Why?

Serious question. I don't believe in the death penalty in general, but why does their memory of the act affect the justice of the punishment?

My view on it would be if they have dementia, especially advanced dementia, the person that committed those crimes is already dead. Whatever consciousness was there before is gone. They're killing the shell of a person. I don't see the point to it in a way that advances justice.

If they're just a shell, then are we really executing an actual person?


This might be the shiattiest take I've heard on anything this month, and keep in mind this is 2020 we're in.
 
2020-07-16 10:40:23 AM  

Natalie Portmanteau: nmrsnr: baka-san: if is indeed true that he has advanced dementia and cannot remember

Than this is just past sick

Why?

Serious question. I don't believe in the death penalty in general, but why does their memory of the act affect the justice of the punishment?

Really, dementia is the worse fate...


Is it? It's worse for your loved ones, granted. But i don't think you'd care all that much.
 
2020-07-16 10:40:43 AM  
the money is in the banana stand:
I really don't give a shiat. Should have died years ago.

This is what the kids nowadays are calling "vice signalling."
 
2020-07-16 10:40:54 AM  

nmrsnr: baka-san: if is indeed true that he has advanced dementia and cannot remember

Than this is just past sick

Why?

Serious question. I don't believe in the death penalty in general, but why does their memory of the act affect the justice of the punishment?


I'm always flabbergasted by people who think the popular conception of karma and reincarnation is somehow just. If you're being punished for something you didn't even do in this lifetime, and have no memory of , you can't learn from the punishment. It is just pointless cruelty.

But note how well the notion works for those at the top of the power structure seeking to justify inequality. "Maybe I didn't earn my superior station in this lifetime, but I sure as shiat did in my last lifetime! And you're a pariah because you deserve to be one, even if you've no idea what you did to deserve it!

But we're dealing specifically with the death penalty here. So I guess "learning from it" isn't really a goal.
 
2020-07-16 10:42:44 AM  

alto_reed_on_a_tenor_sax: the money is in the banana stand:
I really don't give a shiat. Should have died years ago.

This is what the kids nowadays are calling "vice signalling."


Better that they announce themselves then having to keep a registry.
 
2020-07-16 10:43:46 AM  

You Are All Sheep: nmrsnr: baka-san: if is indeed true that he has advanced dementia and cannot remember

Than this is just past sick

Why?

Serious question. I don't believe in the death penalty in general, but why does their memory of the act affect the justice of the punishment?

well except you're taking a person that doesn't know where they are or who they are and killing them.  BUT to me the death penalty isn't about the murderer, its supposed to be about "see what'll happen if you kill someone???"

and now we've even added "we'll kill you even if you don't know why we're killing you"


The possibility of the death penalty does not reduce crime rates. This was proven decades ago and was a driving reason why many states abolished it.
 
2020-07-16 10:44:35 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: HotWingConspiracy: the money is in the banana stand: baka-san: if is indeed true that he has advanced dementia and cannot remember

Than this is just past sick

Uh, his final statement he apologized for the pain he caused his victim.

That doesn't mean he remembers any of it.

I really don't give a shiat.


Yeah I know, it would have been more honest of you to post that instead of questioning his diagnosis and feigning concern over his plight during a life term.
 
2020-07-16 10:45:00 AM  

nmrsnr: Professor_Doctor: My view on it would be if they have dementia, especially advanced dementia, the person that committed those crimes is already dead. Whatever consciousness was there before is gone. They're killing the shell of a person. I don't see the point to it in a way that advances justice.

I can see that position (there's a similarly themed Babylon 5 episode).

The only argument I could see is that it could provide some sort of closure or catharsis for the victims families, if in fact it would be a comfort to them, which is not necessarily true.


the criminal JUSTICE system is supposed to be about serving justice on the accused, not revenge for the family.
 
2020-07-16 10:45:02 AM  

gnarlywizzard: The possibility of the death penalty does not reduce crime rates. This was proven decades ago and was a driving reason why many states abolished it.


It might help if they applied it to financial crimes. :)
 
2020-07-16 10:45:14 AM  
Blood for the blood god.
 
2020-07-16 10:45:40 AM  
He doesn't have dementia anymore.....
 
Ant
2020-07-16 10:45:51 AM  

You Are All Sheep: BUT to me the death penalty isn't about the murderer, its supposed to be about "see what'll happen if you kill someone???"


Kill someone, and we'll put you up with room and board at the government's expense until you're old and sick, at which time we'll put you out of your misery.
 
2020-07-16 10:45:57 AM  
I mean really, what's the point of strapping someone down and killing them if we're robbed of that delicious frisson we all get when we imagine what's going through the poor wretch's mind as his or her life slowly drains away.
 
2020-07-16 10:46:29 AM  
I'm not pro death penalty, but only because we live in an imperfect world where we know the government can and has executed innocent people. If they were 100% correct every time? We should have swift executions of those who are a danger to society.

But we're not, we're in this world where our justice system isn't just fallible, it's corrupt to its core.

All that said, could you pick a worse example to fight against it with? Guy's farking guilty. Whether he's gotten old while his lawyers dragged out the bullshiat for years is irrelevant. There are so many better examples, people who *deserve* your tears, that we have executed. Rally behind one of them.
 
2020-07-16 10:46:31 AM  

Girion47: We dont leave bears to roam neighborhoods if they kill someone.


Some people view the life of a bear and the life of a human as very different in terms of value.
 
2020-07-16 10:47:38 AM  

Guildmaster: I'm not pro death penalty, but only because we live in an imperfect world where we know the government can and has executed innocent people. If they were 100% correct every time? We should have swift executions of those who are a danger to society.

But we're not, we're in this world where our justice system isn't just fallible, it's corrupt to its core.

All that said, could you pick a worse example to fight against it with? Guy's farking guilty. Whether he's gotten old while his lawyers dragged out the bullshiat for years is irrelevant. There are so many better examples, people who *deserve* your tears, that we have executed. Rally behind one of them.


what justice was served killing someone who could not even know he committed a crime?
 
2020-07-16 10:49:44 AM  

Guildmaster: All that said, could you pick a worse example to fight against it with? Guy's farking guilty.


Oh. So what? So we HAVE to kill him, and damn the circumstances?

Doesn't that sound a bit ...barbaric to you?

// oh no, an old guy with dementia might get 3 meals a day for 5 more years while living in a farking Federal prison (and good luck getting the guy anything approaching adequate medical care. Wanna bet how long he regularly sits in soiled clothes before the guards are arsed to care?)
// some Lucky Felon-Duckies get all the breaks, I guess
 
2020-07-16 10:49:59 AM  
Just remember that the death penalty is a deterrent to crime.  It's been around a while and guess what?  NO MORE CRIME!
 
2020-07-16 10:50:10 AM  

Guildmaster: All that said, could you pick a worse example to fight against it with?


if you oppose the death penalty, you oppose it every time, for everyone

otherwise you don't, you know, oppose the death penalty
 
2020-07-16 10:50:26 AM  

jbuist: Girion47: We dont leave bears to roam neighborhoods if they kill someone.

Some people view the life of a bear and the life of a human as very different in terms of value.


I only know that I can get a hell of a lot more money for a bear's gall bladder than a human's. Half the time they don't even make a bid on the human one. Farking cheapskates.
 
2020-07-16 10:51:56 AM  

Glorious Golden Ass: Pocket Ninja: I'm just trying to understand why, of all the possible sources subby could have picked for this story, the decision ended up being The Washington Times.

I can't remember between the Washington Times and the Washington Free Beacon, which one is actually headquartered in Moscow and which one is owned by a recluse, right wing doomsday cult leader?


The Beacon is the right wing billionaire nut job.
 
2020-07-16 10:53:34 AM  
Executing a dementia patient is barbaric.

Execution in general is barbaric.  It has no place in a modern society.  Execution is not justice it's just revenge.
 
2020-07-16 10:53:43 AM  

raius: Glorious Golden Ass: Pocket Ninja: I'm just trying to understand why, of all the possible sources subby could have picked for this story, the decision ended up being The Washington Times.

I can't remember between the Washington Times and the Washington Free Beacon, which one is actually headquartered in Moscow and which one is owned by a recluse, right wing doomsday cult leader?

The Beacon is the right wing billionaire nut job.


And the Times is owned by the Moonie cult.
 
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