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2020-07-15 9:46:45 PM  
Damn, that will put a crimp in plans to reopen schools...
 
2020-07-15 10:48:04 PM  
Send them to Georgia to cough on the governor.
 
2020-07-15 10:57:52 PM  
No one is going to believe it because of the data reporting screwup.
 
2020-07-15 11:46:09 PM  
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2020-07-16 4:43:40 AM  
No, the numbers are going up because they're testing too much. Just stop testing and the coronavirus will disappear, liberals
 
2020-07-16 5:15:05 AM  
But sure, reopen schools, have these disease vectors congregate.

/relax, I have disease vectors of my own.
 
2020-07-16 5:15:25 AM  

LordOfThePings: [Fark user image 850x591]


''If you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room"

And who is that, may you ask? Why, the girl in front with the unhappy face.
 
2020-07-16 5:16:19 AM  

LordOfThePings: [Fark user image image 850x591]


Damn, are those all his??
And why is there not a single black kid??

/ignore second question if first question is yes
 
2020-07-16 5:20:10 AM  

Resident Muslim: LordOfThePings: [Fark user image image 850x591]

Damn, are those all his??
And why is there not a single black kid??

/ignore second question if first question is yes


This is going to be one of those pictures where people will look back on and say "how did we miss the signs?!"
 
2020-07-16 5:23:24 AM  
Will that have an impact on the number of Florida tags?
 
2020-07-16 5:31:03 AM  

turbocucumber: Will that have an impact on the number of Florida tags?


Toe tags? Certainly.
Fark tags? Things happening as expected in Florida usually don't warrant mention around here.
 
2020-07-16 5:36:34 AM  

OldRod: Damn, that will put a crimp in plans to reopen schools...


It SHOULD... but it probably won't. It's never been about public health or safety so why would they start now?
=Smidge=
 
2020-07-16 5:40:15 AM  
I put my entire nest egg in an ownership stake at Swampy Joe's Kiddie Size Coffin Emporium. Now who's laughing, Mr. Smug Financial Planner?
 
2020-07-16 5:41:55 AM  
One thing to note: at least in Lee county (which I'll presume to be representative of Florida in general), under-18's have to get a doctor's order to be tested, rather than being able to be tested at drive-through testing, so that would tend to increase the positive testing proportion for kids, as most people wouldn't go to the pediatrician without a solid suspicion that they needed to.
 
2020-07-16 5:45:30 AM  

Cagey B: I put my entire nest egg in an ownership stake at Swampy Joe's Kiddie Size Coffin Emporium. Now who's laughing, Mr. Smug Financial Planner?


Swampy Joe does good work.
 
2020-07-16 6:03:38 AM  

GardenWeasel: No one is going to believe it because of the data reporting screwup.


What data reporting screwup?
 
2020-07-16 6:08:21 AM  
In Florida a C+ used to mean you were on the honour roll and vying for valedictorian.
 
2020-07-16 6:14:15 AM  

OldRod: GardenWeasel: No one is going to believe it because of the data reporting screwup.

What data reporting screwup?


The DoH system for reporting is borked -- some labs are being listed as 100% positive on the tests they submit.

https://www.news-press.com/story/news​/​2020/07/15/lee-health-says-florida-dep​artment-health-report-showing-100-covi​d-19-coronavirus-positive-rates-ina/54​42020002/

There's also, frankly, quite a lot of data that's missing or questionable in the DoH reports:

https://covidtracking.com/blog/florid​a​-covid-19-data

What the conspiracy theorists seem to be conveniently ignoring is that DeSantis has his nose so far up Trump's ass he might as well be wearing him like a rumpled suit, so if there's any systemic pressure from the state to fark the data up, it'd be to make things look better than they are, not worse (I'd argue that this is borne out by some of the data that's not being released by the DoH, like hospital censuses showing what percentage of hospital and ICU beds are taken up by Covid patients, as all other states but Kansas and Hawaii release).
 
2020-07-16 6:17:10 AM  

Tallman: OldRod: GardenWeasel: No one is going to believe it because of the data reporting screwup.

What data reporting screwup?

The DoH system for reporting is borked -- some labs are being listed as 100% positive on the tests they submit.

https://www.news-press.com/story/news/​2020/07/15/lee-health-says-florida-dep​artment-health-report-showing-100-covi​d-19-coronavirus-positive-rates-ina/54​42020002/

There's also, frankly, quite a lot of data that's missing or questionable in the DoH reports:

https://covidtracking.com/blog/florida​-covid-19-data

What the conspiracy theorists seem to be conveniently ignoring is that DeSantis has his nose so far up Trump's ass he might as well be wearing him like a rumpled suit, so if there's any systemic pressure from the state to fark the data up, it'd be to make things look better than they are, not worse (I'd argue that this is borne out by some of the data that's not being released by the DoH, like hospital censuses showing what percentage of hospital and ICU beds are taken up by Covid patients, as all other states but Kansas and Hawaii release).


Ah, OK.  I had heard about that, but so much shiat happens on a daily basis these days, I'd pushed it out of my mind I guess.

Maybe my brain is full...
 
2020-07-16 6:21:07 AM  
 
2020-07-16 6:28:52 AM  

OldRod: Damn, that will put a crimp in plans to reopen schools...


Nope. Starting tomorrow morning, TrumpTV and AM radio will promote intentionally infecting kids in school to build up their immune systems. Y'know, filter out the weak, etc.
 
2020-07-16 6:30:25 AM  

eiger: Smidge204: OldRod: Damn, that will put a crimp in plans to reopen schools...

It SHOULD... but it probably won't. It's never been about public health or safety so why would they start now?
=Smidge=

I know there is this narrative that all Florida people are reckless and stupid, but I hope people know that is just a joke. 

Florida school districts are already retreating from reopening. Many have delayed the start of school by two weeks or more. Superintendents and school boards are openly talking about going online in the fall.

Folks need to realize that the Florida state government probably has no authority to determine what local school districts do, so that order that got a lot of publicity was toothless, and DeSantis immediately began to retreat from it in public statements and recognize the right of local school boards to determine what happens.

All that said, keeping the schools closed in a lot of places is likely the right choice, but without some sort of federal support, that is going to be a disaster for a lot of families and bad for a lot of kids. We need to recognize that fact and not pretend like keeping the schools closed is painless


Unlike crippled or dead kids, which isn't painless?
 
2020-07-16 6:32:46 AM  
This is meaningless unless we know on what basis the children were tested. Is it because they show symptoms? Because they live in households with an active infection? Either of those would be expected to have a higher positivity rate than random testing.

Example: England is doing about 50,000 tests per day, of which about 500 are positive. However, random swab testing shows that the infection rate is a full order of magnitude lower, at around 1 in 1200. Why the disparity? Because apart from routine testing of medical and care staff, most tests are self-referral from people with symptoms or who have been exposed to known cases.
 
2020-07-16 6:33:55 AM  
One interesting piece of information about this would be the reasons why these children were tested. That is, were they tested because they were symptomatic or was it part of a mass testing program. If they were symptomatic, it means something different than if they were tested for other reasons.
 
2020-07-16 6:37:19 AM  
Half way to herd immunity, that's great news! 💪
 
2020-07-16 6:37:48 AM  

orbister: This is meaningless unless we know on what basis the children were tested. Is it because they show symptoms? Because they live in households with an active infection? Either of those would be expected to have a higher positivity rate than random testing.

Example: England is doing about 50,000 tests per day, of which about 500 are positive. However, random swab testing shows that the infection rate is a full order of magnitude lower, at around 1 in 1200. Why the disparity? Because apart from routine testing of medical and care staff, most tests are self-referral from people with symptoms or who have been exposed to known cases.


And is the possibly life-long damage in the children's lungs meaningless, too?
 
2020-07-16 7:01:38 AM  

Notabunny: And is the possibly life-long damage in the children's lungs meaningless, too?


They gave COVID-19 the wrong name.  Endothelial cell involvement is what makes Ebola deadly.  They should have called this thing "Ebola lite".  You never fully recover from a viral attack on your endothelial cells, AFAIK.
 
2020-07-16 7:03:18 AM  

eiger: But, yeah, in reality I just don't care about dead or crippled kids.


All kidding aside, this thing WILL kill thousands of children if schools open in the fall.  Not "maybe".
 
2020-07-16 7:04:36 AM  
So, the new talking point is "why were they tested?", I see.
 
2020-07-16 7:07:00 AM  

holdmybones: So, the new talking point is "why were they tested?", I see.


Testing is being done only to make the President look bad.  We should halt it all immediately.
 
2020-07-16 7:09:34 AM  
Sounds like the perfect path to reopening those schools then...I mean, if you want dead kids and to bloom this thing all over again, bigger and brighter.

I can't help but feel that maybe this Administration is maybe on the virus' side of things.
 
2020-07-16 7:16:04 AM  
Here's the problem(s) : (Note: I work for a Florida school system maintenance dept, so I see it from the inside)
First, Verizon sold the Florida data/phone network to Frontier, but waited months to release it to them. As a result, the infrastructure here decayed horribly as Verizon stopped maintaining it as soon as the papers were signed. Frontier fired everyone, so MORE repairs were neglected. There are a LOT of areas now where online learning will be unavailable due to inadequate internet service. And I don't even need to mention Comcast and how they are. Plus, some people just can't afford it.
Second, the state just pulled a substantial chunk OUT of our pencil thin budget this year...again. How can we run the buses with half the kids but twice as much, or supply computers, or pay for network upgrades to handle more bandwidth, or buy extra cleaning/sanitizing supplies (now more expensive due to demand), or pay someone to create online classes, or pay the increase of medical costs of employees, or pay for substitutes when the teachers are out with covid, or....or...etc.... this is going to cost us a lot. With a decreased budget.
Then third, who is going to stay home and make sure the kids go online and do the work? A lot of Floridians are at the poverty level, both parents working, until the kid brings covid home that is. Then we're back where we were with the "essential personnel" sick, or spreading it because they have jobs with no sick pay. or fired, because we are a "right to work" state, and can get canned for no reason. Any laws to prevent this can be (and have been) easily circumvented in the past.
In a nutshell, everyone has generally been dropping the ball for years, and now when this monkey wrench gets thrown into the already grinding cogs, the system will fail.

There is no good solution to this that does not involve a time machine and some serious changes to the paths we chose in the past.
 
2020-07-16 7:16:10 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: holdmybones: So, the new talking point is "why were they tested?", I see.

Testing is being done only to make the President look bad.  We should halt it all immediately.


It's hilarious to hear the idiots suddenly become experts on when and how people should be tested for a new illness.
 
2020-07-16 7:20:13 AM  

amigafin: There is no good solution to this that does not involve a time machine and some serious changes to the paths we chose in the past.


The American South has always despised education, for reasons that are unclear to me.
 
2020-07-16 7:27:56 AM  

orbister: This is meaningless unless we know on what basis the children were tested. Is it because they show symptoms? Because they live in households with an active infection? Either of those would be expected to have a higher positivity rate than random testing.

Example: England is doing about 50,000 tests per day, of which about 500 are positive. However, random swab testing shows that the infection rate is a full order of magnitude lower, at around 1 in 1200. Why the disparity? Because apart from routine testing of medical and care staff, most tests are self-referral from people with symptoms or who have been exposed to known cases.


Yes, we probably shouldn't be surprised at that number.  Kids seem to be much more likely to be unaffected, and may also contract it at lower rates.  Any kid getting tested is probably showing obvious symptoms and is fairly likely to have it.  It doesn't mean 1/3 of minors has COVID-19.

That being said, they're certainly under-testing so it's hard to know what the true fraction may be, and the potential for serious health consequences is still there even if the proportion infected is less than 1/3.  But your point stands: "1/3" is kind of a meaningless number, because it almost certainly doesn't represent the true statistic, whatever that is.
 
2020-07-16 7:29:23 AM  

LordOfThePings: [Fark user image 850x591]


And what are Donald Trump's hands doing behind those kids?

///You can't see his hands, so you have to assume the worst!
 
2020-07-16 7:36:35 AM  
1/3 of all children, huh? Is this a "100% = 18%" kind of math? Probably. It's not news, or even concerning, until 1/3 of all children are dying ... which will never be the case no matter how much you what it to be. If 1000 children test positive and 10 children die, it's not a big enough deal to close the world down .. those 10 children were supposed to die.
 
2020-07-16 7:37:04 AM  
What happens in 12-16 years from now in terms of military readiness?

If this impacts a disproportionate amount of minority children / children from poor families now, will the USA be able to enlist enough physically qualified people into the military when they are young adults?

Will the USA be forced to bring back the draft if 1/3 of all young adults are disqualified from joining due to COVID-19 exposure when they were little?
 
2020-07-16 7:38:24 AM  
The article fails to mention what manufacturer made the tests.  Some have horrible accuracy ratios.
 
2020-07-16 7:39:11 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: amigafin: There is no good solution to this that does not involve a time machine and some serious changes to the paths we chose in the past.

The American South has always despised education, for reasons that are unclear to me.


Educated folks tend not to be as conservative, derpy religious or bigotish/zenophobic as uneducated folks (to a certain degree, plenty of exceptions to this rule).
 
2020-07-16 7:41:22 AM  
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2020-07-16 7:43:29 AM  

Crook: What happens in 12-16 years from now in terms of military readiness?

If this impacts a disproportionate amount of minority children / children from poor families now, will the USA be able to enlist enough physically qualified people into the military when they are young adults?

Will the USA be forced to bring back the draft if 1/3 of all young adults are disqualified from joining due to COVID-19 exposure when they were little?


We have drones.
 
2020-07-16 7:48:11 AM  

Notabunny: orbister: This is meaningless unless we know on what basis the children were tested. Is it because they show symptoms? Because they live in households with an active infection? Either of those would be expected to have a higher positivity rate than random testing.

Example: England is doing about 50,000 tests per day, of which about 500 are positive. However, random swab testing shows that the infection rate is a full order of magnitude lower, at around 1 in 1200. Why the disparity? Because apart from routine testing of medical and care staff, most tests are self-referral from people with symptoms or who have been exposed to known cases.

And is the possibly life-long damage in the children's lungs meaningless, too?


What does that have to do with the statistical significance of testing rates?
 
2020-07-16 7:48:13 AM  
They should invite DeVos down to inspect the situation personally. She might catch wind of what's going on outside of the White House for once.
 
2020-07-16 7:49:06 AM  
But I have been assured by TOP farkers that only a TINY percentage of kids can carry it so we MUST re-open schools.

Now I am really on the fence about using the schools for mass genocide.
 
2020-07-16 7:49:18 AM  

holdmybones: So, the new talking point is "why were they tested?", I see.


It's an extremely important point, well worth talking about.
 
2020-07-16 7:51:20 AM  

holdmybones: It's hilarious to hear the idiots suddenly become experts on when and how people should be tested for a new illness.


Do you think that random testing gives the same as information as testing only those with symptoms?
 
2020-07-16 7:52:01 AM  

Cagey B: I put my entire nest egg in an ownership stake at Swampy Joe's Kiddie Size Coffin Emporium. Now who's laughing, Mr. Smug Financial Planner?


To whom it may concern, I would like to express an interest in investing in your business......
 
2020-07-16 7:52:47 AM  

eiger: I know there is this narrative that all Florida people are reckless and stupid, but I hope people know that is just a joke.


Of course. Some are elderly and sedentary.  :)
 
2020-07-16 7:54:01 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: [ace.mu.nu image 769x470]


LOL, now do the full chart.
 
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