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2020-07-15 2:09:43 PM  
That's one doozy of an opening sentence, George.
 
2020-07-15 2:13:29 PM  
Sorry, George. You own this too. Good luck.
 
2020-07-15 2:17:42 PM  
Also:

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2020-07-15 2:26:10 PM  
I think this means George Will is on the fence about this Trump fellow

We joke.  But remember that Gen. Mattis wrote an OpEd saying this:

Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people - does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership.

And this:

We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette Square. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution.

Sen. Murkowski called those comments "true and honest and necessary and overdue."  That applies to the "mockery of our Constitution" comments, as well as the "three years without  mature leadership" comments.

But when it comes to who she's going to support in 2020, she could only say, "I am struggling with it. I have struggled with it for a long time."  In a choice between "a mockery of our Constitution" and a Democrat, I mean jeez . . . ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  That's where we are as a nation.
 
2020-07-15 2:29:27 PM  
Somebody needs to kick him down an up escalator.
 
2020-07-15 2:51:12 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Also:

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Look at those short arms, I'd estimate they are significantly below his height, inadequate for covering passing lanes and playing defense.

If I was running a professional basketball team, I would not draft George Will until the second round.
 
2020-07-15 3:05:07 PM  
"Pardon us while we wail and gnash our teeth about the choice we made to support this moron.  We'll return to kissing his ass momentarily."
 
2020-07-15 3:07:43 PM  
"Because of his incontinent use of it, the rhetorical mustard that the president slathers on every subject has lost its tang."

I cannot decide if I love or hate, hate, hate this sentence. I suppose you could say that because of his overly libertine use of it, the metaphorical mayonnaise that George Will extrudes on every think piece is smelling especially eggy today.
 
2020-07-15 3:10:21 PM  
He's still a piece of garbage.
 
2020-07-15 3:10:55 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: "Because of his incontinent use of it, the rhetorical mustard that the president slathers on every subject has lost its tang."

I cannot decide if I love or hate, hate, hate this sentence. I suppose you could say that because of his overly libertine use of it, the metaphorical mayonnaise that George Will extrudes on every think piece is smelling especially eggy today.


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Just need a p'shop of Trump's face
 
2020-07-15 3:11:05 PM  
I will say this, the Trump administration has caused George Will to only take 2 pages to get to his point instead of 17.
 
2020-07-15 3:12:39 PM  
He's just really pissed off there's no baseball.
 
2020-07-15 3:17:40 PM  
Will helped create the faux outrage/wedge politics industry that led to Trump. Now, he wants to act like he is above it all bc the monster has spun out of his control?

Washington Post won't get a cent from me so long as they keep publishing his psuedo intellectual bs.
 
2020-07-15 3:18:04 PM  
George Will has been anti-Trump since at least 2012, when he called him a "bloviating ignoramus."

From 2012: "Donald Trump is redundant evidence that if your net worth is high enough, your IQ can be very low and you can still intrude into American politics."

He was one of the first conservative voices to come out against him, hasn't wavered since, and not only renounced his membership in the Republican Party as a result of the party embracing Trump, in the 2018 mid-terms called for people to vote straight ticket Democrat in order eject all the R's who have enabled Trump.

Say what you will about his beliefs as a staunch conservative -- and make no mistake, he hasn't changed in that regard; he hasn't had some progressive awakening by any measure -- his bonafides as someone who is firmly against Donald Trump are not some sudden switch because Trump is failing. When it comes to recognizing who and what Donald Trump is, Will has been with the rest of us all along.

On other topics, not so much.
 
2020-07-15 3:18:31 PM  
As the resident fark expert, I want to know what Weatherkiss thinks.
 
2020-07-15 3:22:02 PM  
Paging you know who. Paging you know who.
 
2020-07-15 3:22:57 PM  

Carn: As the resident fark expert, I want to know what Weatherkiss thinks.


SON OF A biatch, AND I EVEN REFRESHED

/fark took forever to add my comment
//dammit
 
2020-07-15 3:23:23 PM  
Points for dropping "incontinent" in there...
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2020-07-15 3:25:30 PM  
Today, there is a vast longing for respite from the 21st century, which - before the pandemic, two inconclusive wars and the Great Recession - began with a presidential electionthat turned on 537 Florida votes and was not decided until a Dec. 12, 2000, Supreme Court decision.

Hmm...

George Will: Iraq War May Save Lives
By
Commentary<br>By George Will
January 7, 2006, 8:08 AM
2 min read
March 16, 2003 -- Opposition to the war against Iraq rests on, and sometimes does not rise above, a truism - the fact that war costs lives.
Opponents say: If we leave Saddam Hussein in power, but continue today's policy of containment, lives will be saved.
But that is not true.
Containment 'Deadlier Than War'
Last week, Walter Russell Mead of the policy think tank, the Council on Foreign Relations, writing in The Washington Post, argued that containment is "deadlier than war," especially for Iraqi children.
The 1991 Gulf War killed between 21,000 and 35,000 Iraqis. Between 1,000 and 5,000 were civilians.
But the United Nations itself estimates that the current U.N. policy of trying to contain Saddam with economic sanctions kills 5,000 Iraqi children under 5 years old - every month. Sixty thousand a year.
Mead says that some estimates are lower.
But, he says: "By any reasonable estimate containment kills about as many people every year as the Gulf War - and almost all the victims of containment are civilians, and two-thirds are children under five."
Saddam 'Lets Babies Die'
Under the U.N. sanctions, Saddam is allowed to sell enough oil to purchase food and medicine to meet the basic needs if the Iraqi people.
But Saddam uses the money to fuel his war machine, and lets the babies die.
So another 10 years of containment would involve the slaughter of at least another 360,000 Iraqis - 240,000 of them children under five.
Mead says those are the low estimates.
If the United Nations' numbers are right, another decade of containment would kill one million Iraqi civilians, including 600,000 children.
So, as Americans debate the morality of the war against Iraq, remember these numbers - and remember a picture of an Iraqi child, suffering the effects of the current policy of "containment."
 
2020-07-15 3:32:11 PM  

gameshowhost: Paging you know who. Paging you know who.


because that one didn't get old in about 4 seconds
 
2020-07-15 3:33:27 PM  
The country has been on a downward spiral for a while . Obama was able to arrest the trend for eight years, Trump has accelerated it a thousand fold. But we were descending for a long time.
 
2020-07-15 3:36:10 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Sorry, George. You own this too. Good luck.


Eh, he certainly has been a conservative trumpeter (no pun intended) for many years. But prior to the 2016 election, Will left the GOP over Trump.  So I'm willing to give him a small pass on this. Yes, he bears some responsibility for what the GOP evolved into, but unlike most Republican officials, he at least acknowledged the damage.
 
2020-07-15 3:39:15 PM  

Nuuu: I think this means George Will is on the fence about this Trump fellow

We joke.  But remember that Gen. Mattis wrote an OpEd saying this:

Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people - does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership.

And this:

We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette Square. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution.

Sen. Murkowski called those comments "true and honest and necessary and overdue."  That applies to the "mockery of our Constitution" comments, as well as the "three years without  mature leadership" comments.

But when it comes to who she's going to support in 2020, she could only say, "I am struggling with it. I have struggled with it for a long time."  In a choice between "a mockery of our Constitution" and a Democrat, I mean jeez . . . ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  That's where we are as a nation.


And that after Trump threatened to support anyone who ran against her.

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He's actively trashing you, you vacuous twunt, and you're still not sure how you feel about him?

Lisa Murkowski is the C & H pissing cartoon brought to shrugging life.
 
2020-07-15 3:43:21 PM  

HighOnCraic: Hmm...


Like many, he changed his views on the Iraq war. He went on to call it "the worst foreign-policy decision in U.S. history" and has been critical of it for some time now.

I won't criticize him for changing his views on it. That's what people SHOULD do. We were just talking about that the other day in a thread about Biden's old views compared to now; republicans want to use those older stances against him, but the changes represent positive growth, and that deserves praise, not scorn.

HOWEVER, I willcriticize George Will for not giving a clear "I WAS WRONG" message as he changed course. If your views are going to evolve, you've got to be willing to acknowledge that your previous views were wrong. That's part of it.

If you're not willing to admit you were once on the wrong side of the issue, that's kind of weak. Ideally, you should do both.

Admitting you're wrong is hard, but it's a pretty essential part of evolving and learning and growing. (Though at 117 years old, I don't know how much more growing George Will has left in him.)
 
2020-07-15 3:45:42 PM  

whidbey: Somebody needs to kick him down an up escalator.


Heh, I'm stealing that line for future use.
 
2020-07-15 3:47:24 PM  
Pinky to lips: "Trillions of dollars!"
 
2020-07-15 3:48:05 PM  
Wrong thread!

/"Trillions of dollars!"
 
2020-07-15 3:51:09 PM  
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2020-07-15 3:56:51 PM  

Thank You Black Jesus!: gameshowhost: Paging you know who. Paging you know who.

because that one didn't get old in about 4 seconds


I'm on the fence about replying to you.

/dammit! foiled again
 
2020-07-15 3:59:57 PM  

gameshowhost: Paging you know who. Paging you know who.


George Will has better legs anyway.... :)
 
2020-07-15 4:01:29 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Sorry, George. You own this too. Good luck.


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2020-07-15 4:05:15 PM  

shoegaze99: George Will has been anti-Trump since at least 2012, when he called him a "bloviating ignoramus."

From 2012: "Donald Trump is redundant evidence that if your net worth is high enough, your IQ can be very low and you can still intrude into American politics."

He was one of the first conservative voices to come out against him, hasn't wavered since, and not only renounced his membership in the Republican Party as a result of the party embracing Trump, in the 2018 mid-terms called for people to vote straight ticket Democrat in order eject all the R's who have enabled Trump.

Say what you will about his beliefs as a staunch conservative -- and make no mistake, he hasn't changed in that regard; he hasn't had some progressive awakening by any measure -- his bonafides as someone who is firmly against Donald Trump are not some sudden switch because Trump is failing. When it comes to recognizing who and what Donald Trump is, Will has been with the rest of us all along.

On other topics, not so much.


"...if your net worth is high enough..."

But Money is speech, right, George? Has nothing to do with IQ. You and your Citizens United co-conspirators locked that in.
 
2020-07-15 4:11:01 PM  
On the plus side, George Will is very convincing to conservative intellectuals, or at least those who fancy themselves so.
On the minus side, there never were all that many of them anyhow.
 
2020-07-15 4:19:25 PM  
Will should stick to writing crabby OP-eds complaining about people wearing jeans.
 
2020-07-15 4:22:55 PM  
susan collins seen furrowing her brow on-the-fencedly in the background next to Heidi cruz
 
2020-07-15 4:23:01 PM  

Skleenar: Martian_Astronomer: "Because of his incontinent use of it, the rhetorical mustard that the president slathers on every subject has lost its tang."

I cannot decide if I love or hate, hate, hate this sentence. I suppose you could say that because of his overly libertine use of it, the metaphorical mayonnaise that George Will extrudes on every think piece is smelling especially eggy today.

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Just need a p'shop of Trump's face


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2020-07-15 5:00:08 PM  

shoegaze99: HighOnCraic: Hmm...

Like many, he changed his views on the Iraq war. He went on to call it "the worst foreign-policy decision in U.S. history" and has been critical of it for some time now.

I won't criticize him for changing his views on it. That's what people SHOULD do. We were just talking about that the other day in a thread about Biden's old views compared to now; republicans want to use those older stances against him, but the changes represent positive growth, and that deserves praise, not scorn.

HOWEVER, I willcriticize George Will for not giving a clear "I WAS WRONG" message as he changed course. If your views are going to evolve, you've got to be willing to acknowledge that your previous views were wrong. That's part of it.

If you're not willing to admit you were once on the wrong side of the issue, that's kind of weak. Ideally, you should do both.

Admitting you're wrong is hard, but it's a pretty essential part of evolving and learning and growing. (Though at 117 years old, I don't know how much more growing George Will has left in him.)


I'll give him credit for admitting he was wrong, but it seems like he should have been smart enough to understand the arguments against the war instead of dismissing them.

We're gonna need a lot of Dr. Frankensteins to pivot to the recognition that the reanimation of corpses is a bad idea, but seriously, how did they not figure that out before the lightning struck?

See also:

George Will: Bill Buckley won the Cold War
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https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/sc​h​eer-intelligence/There-is-no-Donald-Tr​ump-without-William-Buckley
 
2020-07-15 5:22:21 PM  
I enjoyed Will more in the 80s and 90s. As for now, sorry George, you're a big part of why this shiatshow comes on every day.
 
2020-07-15 6:13:20 PM  

FiendishFellow05: whidbey: Somebody needs to kick him down an up escalator.

Heh, I'm stealing that line for future use.


A friend of mine came up with that many years go when we were in high school.

Comes in handy on Fark at times.  : )
 
2020-07-15 9:40:37 PM  

FiendishFellow05: whidbey: Somebody needs to kick him down an up escalator.

Heh, I'm stealing that line for future use.


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American Dad stole it first.
 
2020-07-15 11:23:32 PM  
Now I'm seriously on the fence about voting for this Will fella.
 
2020-07-16 1:33:36 AM  

ToastmasterGeneral: Skleenar: Martian_Astronomer: "Because of his incontinent use of it, the rhetorical mustard that the president slathers on every subject has lost its tang."

I cannot decide if I love or hate, hate, hate this sentence. I suppose you could say that because of his overly libertine use of it, the metaphorical mayonnaise that George Will extrudes on every think piece is smelling especially eggy today.

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Just need a p'shop of Trump's face

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