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2020-07-15 10:28:51 AM  
Welcome to the Phillip K Dick version of the future... the George Orwell future died with the Cold War.
 
2020-07-15 5:33:27 PM  
Cities Turn to Software to Predict When Police Will Go Rogue

When?
 
2020-07-15 5:36:01 PM  

Walker: Cities Turn to Software to Predict When Police Will Go Rogue

When?


About three minutes after they put on their badge
 
2020-07-15 5:36:04 PM  
I be the police unions will have something to say about that software being used.


Pretty soon we will have the AI from Westworld that will predict your whole life.
 
2020-07-15 5:36:52 PM  
They would have the software ready already, but there is this persistent bug where it keeps identifying over 75% of the force as bad apples.
 
2020-07-15 5:37:25 PM  

ArkAngel: Walker: Cities Turn to Software to Predict When Police Will Go Rogue

When?

About three minutes after they put on their badge


And about 3 seconds after they turn off their body cams.
 
2020-07-15 5:39:21 PM  
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Time to lube up the precogs!
 
2020-07-15 5:43:31 PM  
Modern civilization on the verge of collapse and instead of attempting to solve anything they've thrown really shiatty AI algorithms at the problem
I have come to the harrowing conclusion we all deserve to die
 
2020-07-15 5:44:53 PM  

Walker: Cities Turn to Software to Predict When Police Will Go Rogue

When?


i mean. . . what's the point?  They're not doing anything AFTER they beat and kill innocents.  What makes anyone think they start acting on evidence BEFORE it happens?
 
2020-07-15 5:44:59 PM  
So Stop and Frisk is cool again too?
 
2020-07-15 5:45:37 PM  
Predictive policing models have been doing this for a while.  They're mostly just based on analyzing data trends, not individuals.  On Friday night, there's always gang fights downtown, so more cops are deployed downtown.  This used to be done by manual review, now it's just done by a computer.  That said, it gets deeper as they've started digging into trained AIs.  One city I did some contract work for has software that monitors social media and flags them if they start seeing noise that would indicate a riot in the city(for example) being formed before it happens.  This was ~5 years ago.  For the most part, this hasn't been about targeting individuals, rather to target trends to optimize staffing and patrol patterns.

TFA talks about using this type of software to predict cop misconduct based on past behaviors.  They're also using this type of software to flag specific social media accounts for monitoring based on public postings.  Gets a little more Orwellian as it goes along.  That said, there's probably some fair use for it(an employer monitoring potentially problematic employees or someone monitoring publicly made statements is generally not a violation of rights), but governments need to adapt and get laws in place to defined limits and protect peoples' rights.
 
2020-07-15 5:46:22 PM  

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Time to lube up the precogs!


((((Minority)))) Report
 
2020-07-15 5:48:40 PM  

Walker: Cities Turn to Software to Predict When Police Will Go Rogue

When?


Now.
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First they are on the rivers, then in the mountains, and soon nowhere will be safe!
 
2020-07-15 5:52:07 PM  
... catching them isn't the problem.

Just actually prosecute any cop that shoots or injures someone to the fullest extent of the law, with the burden of proof on them to prove in front of an actual jury, not other cops they're conspiring with, that their use of force was justified under self defense or legitimate law enforcement purposes.  You know, the same thing anyone else claiming their use of force, especially lethal force, was justified has to do.

We already know who the people committing the crimes are with the existing monitoring, they're reported to hell and back and usually file internal paperwork on the matter.  The problems a massive felonious organized criminal conspiracy to cover shiat up after it's discovered that they're all taking part in, not that no one ever notices the crimes happening.
 
2020-07-15 5:52:47 PM  
I want to make a Queensryche Mindcrime reference but I just can't.
 
2020-07-15 5:53:35 PM  
"Our software uses advanced AI to determine which police officers will abuse their authority and break the law with 100 percent accuracy."

"But it says all of our cops will do that."

"Exactly."
 
2020-07-15 5:55:36 PM  
Maybe they could just fire cops that commit crimes. I dunno.
 
2020-07-15 5:56:42 PM  
I have this crazy, money saving, idea that doesn't depend on predictive software (that I'm sure will totally not be abused and used for nefarious purposes):

Stop voting for local politicians who refuse to direct their appointed DAs and chiefs to suspend and prosecute the offending cops that already have a history of bad behavior.

It's so crazy it might work.  Give it a try.  Even if that politician doesn't have a (D) at the end of their name.
 
2020-07-15 5:56:46 PM  
Whenever modern society has a problem, some data jockey thinks they can write an algorithm to save us.  Yet the basic attempts at facial recognition were incredibly racist, as can be things like loan decision software.

Honestly we'd be better off abolishing the police and replacing them with social workers than trying to have every department buy techbro spyware that still won't stop them from turning their bodycam off before shooting a man in the back of head.
 
2020-07-15 5:58:56 PM  
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2020-07-15 6:02:37 PM  
F*cking pigs.
 
2020-07-15 6:07:48 PM  
They must have not watched the movie Minority Report and saw how it ended. In the movie they ended up dismantling their pre-crime department cause of the corruption within the department.
 
2020-07-15 6:09:48 PM  
Walker:

D students of the world unite
 
2020-07-15 6:15:34 PM  
I assume this software to identify bad apples runs on Windows.
 
2020-07-15 6:21:19 PM  
Ha.  fark the police.
 
2020-07-15 6:34:58 PM  
What ever replaces police, you will hate that too. People hate those have authority over others. Kinda of our nature. Look into the Stanford Prison experiment. It lasted 6 days (It was to go on for two weeks) and had to be shut down. And that was pretend.

But, this is the perfect time to have a hard look at are current system and what can be done to change it and hopefully carve out a better one. We can all dream anyway.
 
2020-07-15 6:40:02 PM  
That is ironically hilarious, but what good would it do? They already refuse to hold them accountable AFTER they have committed crimes, so what's "maybe going to commit crimes" going to mean? Nothing...


berylman: I have come to the harrowing conclusion we all deserve to die


You are most certainly speaking for yourself.
 
2020-07-15 6:42:44 PM  
Good way to get software developers killed / kidnapped and disappeared. 

The more of this technology we turn on the agents of the state the less willing they will be to have it in existence
 
2020-07-15 6:48:07 PM  

Percise1: berylman: I have come to the harrowing conclusion we all deserve to die
You are most certainly speaking for yourself.


Ok, that was unnecessarily harsh language. I'm just in a bad spot of faith in the fundamental goodness of humanity. I wish no harm on anyone
 
2020-07-15 6:51:28 PM  
OR you could just make a list of names of police who have committed brutality against citizens to such an extent that the city had to pay someone not to sue them.

Then fire those officers.

But sure, AI, whatever.
 
2020-07-15 6:54:21 PM  
Good. Use facial recognition against them too. Until we can dismantle the problem forces (which is most of them) and replace them with a better approach to crime prevention and better culture, we should be using every weapon at our disposal to bring the current institution to heel.  They wanted to treat the public like we were the enemy.  Let's show them how it feels.
 
2020-07-15 6:55:07 PM  
You do of course realize that "precrime units" is an anagram of "PENIS CRIME RUT", right?
 
2020-07-15 7:10:40 PM  
I mean, if you really want to fix it, several things have to happen, in no particular order, but these things have to happen:

Laws must be changed to permit police to actually be charged and convicted for battery, assault, and homicide.

Policies must be changed within departments to immediately remove shooters from active duty, until the shooting can be investigated, charged and tried if necessary.

Policies must be changed within departments to encourage and allow anonymous reporting of abuses; partners must be held 100% responsible for their fellows actions, much as co-pilots are held 100% responsible for pilots' actions.

There should be a non-erasable voice- and data recorder in all police cars, similar to that in airplanes, recording on an 8-hour data disk.

Officers who engage in any high-stress activity during their shift (saving a suicide, shots fired with or without injures) must be removed from patrol for the remainder of their shift and until they can receive counseling.

Police must receive diversity and non-violent threat reduction training not less than every six months while on patrol.

Non-uniformed officers (detectives, sergeants, etc) must ride one patrol shift not less than ever three months.

Academy training must include a minimum of 80 hours of crisis management.

Feel free to add in as you like; but these are the only things I can think of. It's not going to happen soon or overnight as some of you all want.
 
2020-07-15 7:31:44 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Feel free to add in as you like; but these are the only things I can think of. It's not going to happen soon or overnight as some of you all want.


Police should not be allowed to carry firearms, and should only be issued even 'less lethal' weapons when there is a genuine specific assessment that they may be needed, approved explicitly by a judge for that specific case.

Yes, I'm saying that it should be less legal for them to possess a firearm in-uniform than it is to possess one in their off-time.
 
2020-07-15 8:01:11 PM  
Give me the electric chair for all my future crimes

/RIP Prince
 
2020-07-15 8:13:28 PM  
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Yeah, they are already watching us.
 
2020-07-15 8:28:19 PM  

AbuHashish: I want to make a Queensryche Mindcrime reference but I just can't.


Good, that band sucked.
 
2020-07-15 9:04:51 PM  

Gyrfalcon: I mean, if you really want to fix it, several things have to happen, in no particular order, but these things have to happen:

Laws must be changed to permit police to actually be charged and convicted for battery, assault, and homicide.

Policies must be changed within departments to immediately remove shooters from active duty, until the shooting can be investigated, charged and tried if necessary.

Policies must be changed within departments to encourage and allow anonymous reporting of abuses; partners must be held 100% responsible for their fellows actions, much as co-pilots are held 100% responsible for pilots' actions.

There should be a non-erasable voice- and data recorder in all police cars, similar to that in airplanes, recording on an 8-hour data disk.

Officers who engage in any high-stress activity during their shift (saving a suicide, shots fired with or without injures) must be removed from patrol for the remainder of their shift and until they can receive counseling.

Police must receive diversity and non-violent threat reduction training not less than every six months while on patrol.

Non-uniformed officers (detectives, sergeants, etc) must ride one patrol shift not less than ever three months.

Academy training must include a minimum of 80 hours of crisis management.

Feel free to add in as you like; but these are the only things I can think of. It's not going to happen soon or overnight as some of you all want.


Police unions broken, and all police collective bargaining done as part of a general local or state employees union. If you want any of the above to happen at all, that's step zero.

But it would be easier legislatively and logistically to just disband the forces and start over from scratch.  We already know it works when done poorly (as it did in Camden), and a shiatton of educated people are waiting in the wings with piles of solutions to make it work better.
 
2020-07-15 9:10:12 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Police should not be allowed to carry firearms


I would say, firearms should reside in a locked container in the cruiser, accessible only after calling in for use-of-force authorization.  Like they do in Norway.

SWAT teams are history though, along with all of the related equipment.  If you legitimately need to stage a paramilitary assault, you call in the Feds.
 
2020-07-15 9:42:28 PM  
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Pre-crime

You Betcha
 
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