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(The Philadelphia Inquirer)   How the police used a t-shirt, a distinctive tattoo, and a trail of Internet breadcrumbs to find and charge a woman who set a police car on fire during the George Floyd protests   (inquirer.com) divider line
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2020-07-15 8:34:34 AM  
For the TL;DR sort:  Don't have distinctive visible tattoos, and don't wear distinctive clothing only available from a single retailer.
 
2020-07-15 8:37:14 AM  
Interesting they were able to do so much with so little, but they can't find a single lead on things like the "suicide" lynchings, or make progress on things like arresting the cops that killed Breonna Taylor. Almost like cops only look out for themselves....
 
2020-07-15 8:38:35 AM  
How the police used a t-shirt, a distinctive tattoo, and a trail of Internet breadcrumbs to find and charge a woman who set a police car on fire during the George Floyd protests


Money, time, personnel, and department resources well spent, I'm so sure.
 
2020-07-15 8:56:34 AM  

adamgreeney: Interesting they were able to do so much with so little, but they can't find a single lead on things like the "suicide" lynchings, or make progress on things like arresting the cops that killed Breonna Taylor. Almost like cops only look out for themselves....



What, you somehow thought that it's a two-way street?  Or that it *SHOULD* be?  How quaint.

I've been saying for years now, long before this, long before Ferguson, that we're in a panopticon dystopia, a surveillance society.  You've traded your privacy for the ability to chat with folks while not actually at your home.

Best practices if you're doing something the government might not like?

1.  Leave your cell phone at home.
2.  Wear clothes you bought with cash at Wal*Mart or Target.  Preferably without a distinctive logo.
3.  That cover up any tattoos.  If you've got them on your forearm, wear long sleeves.
4.  Hat with a brim pulled down low.
5.  Dark sunglasses (if during the day)
6.  Some kind of facial covering.

This isn't anything new.   The Tsarnaev brothers were identified because one of them wore his hat backwards and didn't wear sunglasses, showing his face completely in public for cameras to capture.

And if you're part of the government yourself?  Doesn't matter.  Ne quis custodiet ipsos custodes.
 
2020-07-15 8:57:36 AM  
This was posted like 3 weeks ago....
 
2020-07-15 9:11:04 AM  

dittybopper: For the TL;DR sort:  Don't have distinctive visible tattoos, and don't wear distinctive clothing only available from a single retailer.


This will defeat a lot of surveillance but I read that the Chinese have employed AI to analyze people's gait, so they can ID you simply by the way you move. Or at the very least reduce the pool of people they're looking for based on locale and how they walk.

All of their tech will make it state-side soon enough.
 
2020-07-15 9:22:47 AM  

dittybopper: For the TL;DR sort:  Don't have distinctive visible tattoos, and don't wear distinctive clothing only available from a single retailer.


Yeah I was gonna say....isn't the biggest clue here the distinctive tattoo(s)?

HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: For the TL;DR sort:  Don't have distinctive visible tattoos, and don't wear distinctive clothing only available from a single retailer.

This will defeat a lot of surveillance but I read that the Chinese have employed AI to analyze people's gait, so they can ID you simply by the way you move. Or at the very least reduce the pool of people they're looking for based on locale and how they walk.

All of their tech will make it state-side soon enough.


I'm curious about the incidence of false positives.
 
2020-07-15 9:24:22 AM  
But those wiley white supremacists are just too dang hard to catch, mmhmm.
 
2020-07-15 9:25:58 AM  

casual disregard: dittybopper: For the TL;DR sort:  Don't have distinctive visible tattoos, and don't wear distinctive clothing only available from a single retailer.

Yeah I was gonna say....isn't the biggest clue here the distinctive tattoo(s)?

HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: For the TL;DR sort:  Don't have distinctive visible tattoos, and don't wear distinctive clothing only available from a single retailer.

This will defeat a lot of surveillance but I read that the Chinese have employed AI to analyze people's gait, so they can ID you simply by the way you move. Or at the very least reduce the pool of people they're looking for based on locale and how they walk.

All of their tech will make it state-side soon enough.

I'm curious about the incidence of false positives.


I'm sure it happens, but it's not like Chinese authorities care that much. Plus that just gives them data to better refine the system.
 
2020-07-15 9:27:19 AM  

brax33: This was posted like 3 weeks ago....


If only there were some Internet sleuths who could find that...
 
2020-07-15 9:27:51 AM  

dittybopper: 1. Leave your cell phone at home.
2. Wear clothes you bought with cash at Wal*Mart or Target. Preferably without a distinctive logo.
3. That cover up any tattoos. If you've got them on your forearm, wear long sleeves.
4. Hat with a brim pulled down low.
5. Dark sunglasses (if during the day)
6. Some kind of facial covering.


1.  I'm old, so I don't carry it (usually) anyway
2.  All of my clothes are from box stores, 'cause I'm cheap and un-American.
3.  Scared of needles, no tats
4.  Bald and vain, so I always wear a hat (usually a fishing hat)
5.  I need to invest in some ZZ-tops though
6.  Its 2020.


I could be a spetznatz super-agent if I was willing to spend 5 bucks.
 
2020-07-15 9:28:32 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: casual disregard: dittybopper: For the TL;DR sort:  Don't have distinctive visible tattoos, and don't wear distinctive clothing only available from a single retailer.

Yeah I was gonna say....isn't the biggest clue here the distinctive tattoo(s)?

HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: For the TL;DR sort:  Don't have distinctive visible tattoos, and don't wear distinctive clothing only available from a single retailer.

This will defeat a lot of surveillance but I read that the Chinese have employed AI to analyze people's gait, so they can ID you simply by the way you move. Or at the very least reduce the pool of people they're looking for based on locale and how they walk.

All of their tech will make it state-side soon enough.

I'm curious about the incidence of false positives.

I'm sure it happens, but it's not like Chinese authorities care that much. Plus that just gives them data to better refine the system.


Just learn to walk without rhythm so you don't attract worms cops.
 
2020-07-15 9:29:57 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: For the TL;DR sort:  Don't have distinctive visible tattoos, and don't wear distinctive clothing only available from a single retailer.

This will defeat a lot of surveillance but I read that the Chinese have employed AI to analyze people's gait, so they can ID you simply by the way you move. Or at the very least reduce the pool of people they're looking for based on locale and how they walk.

All of their tech will make it state-side soon enough.


The OSS knew how to defeat that back in 1944:

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2020-07-15 9:31:05 AM  

wingnut396: HotWingConspiracy: casual disregard: dittybopper: For the TL;DR sort:  Don't have distinctive visible tattoos, and don't wear distinctive clothing only available from a single retailer.

Yeah I was gonna say....isn't the biggest clue here the distinctive tattoo(s)?

HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: For the TL;DR sort:  Don't have distinctive visible tattoos, and don't wear distinctive clothing only available from a single retailer.

This will defeat a lot of surveillance but I read that the Chinese have employed AI to analyze people's gait, so they can ID you simply by the way you move. Or at the very least reduce the pool of people they're looking for based on locale and how they walk.

All of their tech will make it state-side soon enough.

I'm curious about the incidence of false positives.

I'm sure it happens, but it's not like Chinese authorities care that much. Plus that just gives them data to better refine the system.

Just learn to walk without rhythm so you don't attract worms cops.


The Brits have us covered:

Ministry of Silly Walks
Youtube eCLp7zodUiI
 
2020-07-15 9:33:35 AM  
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You'll never take me alive, Copper!
 
2020-07-15 9:34:09 AM  
Just remember this story when they're telling you they can't do anything to find your stolen shiat. They have the ability, they just don't care.
 
2020-07-15 9:39:02 AM  

dittybopper: HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: For the TL;DR sort:  Don't have distinctive visible tattoos, and don't wear distinctive clothing only available from a single retailer.

This will defeat a lot of surveillance but I read that the Chinese have employed AI to analyze people's gait, so they can ID you simply by the way you move. Or at the very least reduce the pool of people they're looking for based on locale and how they walk.

All of their tech will make it state-side soon enough.

The OSS knew how to defeat that back in 1944:

[Fark user image 425x566]


It's good spy craft but maybe a little impractical for the average person to pull off when going in to a surveilledenvironment, which is every moment of the day now depending on where you live.
 
2020-07-15 10:02:31 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: For the TL;DR sort:  Don't have distinctive visible tattoos, and don't wear distinctive clothing only available from a single retailer.

This will defeat a lot of surveillance but I read that the Chinese have employed AI to analyze people's gait, so they can ID you simply by the way you move. Or at the very least reduce the pool of people they're looking for based on locale and how they walk.

All of their tech will make it state-side soon enough.

The OSS knew how to defeat that back in 1944:

[Fark user image 425x566]

It's good spy craft but maybe a little impractical for the average person to pull off when going in to a surveilledenvironment, which is every moment of the day now depending on where you live.



That's kind of the point of my posting this, I'm subby if you haven't already guessed.

The general idea is to become the "grey man", someone who simply doesn't stick out in a crowd, who is indistinguishable from pretty much everyone else, while also not being individually distinguishable that you can be personally identified.

This woman is a perfect example of what not to do.  She had a distinctive visible tattoo.  She was wearing a distinctive shirt only sold by a single small online retailer.  She posted a review of that shirt online.  And she had a significant online presence where things like her tattoo were visible.

But I think the real killer for these sorts of things is simply that everyone is addicted to carrying their phones around with them, and posting stuff online.  For a significant fraction of the population, it's simply inconceivable to them that they not do that.  It doesn't even enter their mind that it's a massive security hole.

Better yet, when you try to point this out to people, as I have done innumerable times here on Fark, people either pooh-pooh it or suggest technological solutions that are bound to fail, because they simply can't comprehend the array of resources they are stacked up against.

My argument has always been, and will continue to be, that we've enabled a society that can easily become a totalitarian panopticon dystopia.  All the infrastructure is there, already installed and working, and all it would take is a simple legal decision (maybe even a secret one) to turn the US into basically the People's Republic of China.
 
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