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(Asheville Citizen-Times)   Asheville, NC approves reparations for black residents   (citizen-times.com) divider line
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2020-07-15 3:58:59 AM  
So they're not actually giving anyone any money, they just doing the same shiat they were doing before but they put some prose around it so it looks like they're doing something and so liberals can feel good.

OK.

I lived in Asheville before it was inundated with lunatics.
 
2020-07-15 8:34:14 AM  

feckingmorons: So they're not actually giving anyone any money, they just doing the same shiat they were doing before but they put some prose around it so it looks like they're doing something and so liberals can feel good.

OK.

I lived in Asheville before it was inundated with lunatics.


Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies...

/ assuage the guilt
// solve nothing
/// it's always been done this way
 
2020-07-15 9:13:39 AM  
My issue with reparations has been when it's framed as a concept to provide a finite, arbitrary sum to people who are somehow proven to be direct slave descendants.

TFA: "The unanimously passed resolution does not mandate direct payments. Instead it will make investments in areas where Black residents face disparities."

This is much more in line with what the concept of reparations should be - an ongoing public policy of disproportionate investment directly targeting present day disparities. There should be no time cap or set dollar amount. Black education, health, and poverty needs to be targeted with disproportionately large budgets for decades, at all levels of government, everywhere in the United States.
 
2020-07-15 11:56:48 AM  
A massive initiative for housing, medical care, and betterment of schools would be wonderful.  And just.

I also expect that when other people in Asheville saw that happening, they would want it too and all hell would break loose.  But I'm kinda negative, so don't pay me no nevermind.
 
2020-07-15 12:37:30 PM  
Asheville would be better off defunding their stupidly oversized police force.
 
2020-07-15 1:33:50 PM  
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2020-07-15 1:34:07 PM  
Reparations
Oh boy, here we go...
 
2020-07-15 1:34:36 PM  
Plot twist: no reparations, just pork for connected developers and crooked contractors. Thanks a lot, Obama!
 
2020-07-15 1:34:46 PM  
You know who else demanded reparations?


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2020-07-15 1:36:08 PM  

feckingmorons: So they're not actually giving anyone any money, they just doing the same shiat they were doing before but they put some prose around it so it looks like they're doing something and so liberals can feel good.

OK.

I lived in Asheville before it was inundated with lunatics.


Lunatics... huh. So you found a fitting place, why'd you leave?
 
2020-07-15 1:36:35 PM  

bdub77: Asheville would be better off defunding their stupidly oversized police force.


I should have added 'and redirecting those funds to minority-owned communities'.
 
2020-07-15 1:37:46 PM  

Sexy Jesus: Plot twist: no reparations, just pork for connected developers and crooked contractors. Thanks a lot, Obama!


You just described the Federal Opportunity Zone initiative to a tee.
 
2020-07-15 1:38:48 PM  

Sexy Jesus: Plot twist: no reparations, just pork for connected developers and crooked contractors. Thanks a lot, Obama!


But enough about the military
 
2020-07-15 1:39:42 PM  

feckingmorons: So they're not actually giving anyone any money, they just doing the same shiat they were doing before but they put some prose around it so it looks like they're doing something and so liberals can feel good.

OK.

I lived in Asheville before it was inundated with lunatics.


Point me to the city that isn't, and I'll move there tomorrow. I can say for sure it's not Nashville, and I've ruled a few others out just from watching the news.
 
2020-07-15 1:43:17 PM  
Oh nice, politicians agreed to start doing, WHAT THEY SHOULD ALREADY BE FARKING DOING.

You are not a part of the solution, you are the farking problem.
 
2020-07-15 1:45:09 PM  
Oh boy! Forty mules and an acre.  Hope that acre is close to the highway.  Gonna start a BBQ Mule Restaurant.

Always wondered what would happen if the gummint offered 40 acres and a mule as reperations and said mule and acreage were in a country with cheap inhospitable land.
 
2020-07-15 1:45:23 PM  
Read that as respirators and still wasn't surprised that it was from NC.
 
2020-07-15 1:47:38 PM  
I predict a very large segment of americans are gonna be really peeved at this development. One could say they're gonna be supremely triggered, even.
 
2020-07-15 1:51:09 PM  

feckingmorons: So they're not actually giving anyone any money, they just doing the same shiat they were doing before but they put some prose around it so it looks like they're doing something and so liberals can feel good.

OK.

I lived in Asheville before it was inundated with lunatics.


It's a college town where lunacy reins.

Now that there is no draft, we need to end people under 21 voting. Because if you believe in Scienceyou must accept that young people under 21 have not fully developed their cognitive functionality.

In other words, they're easily influenced by lunatics and become reflections of that lunacy. Often at great cost.

/which is lunacy in and of itself
 
2020-07-15 1:52:44 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: Oh boy! Forty mules and an acre.  Hope that acre is close to the highway.  Gonna start a BBQ Mule Restaurant.

Always wondered what would happen if the gummint offered 40 acres and a mule as reperations and said mule and acreage were in a country with cheap inhospitable land.


I thought if the GOP were smart evil, they'd have taken Bears Ears or other national monuments, split them up, made them the reparations.

Then if Democrats object it looks like they're objecting to reparations. And black people get nothing of value, sell it for cheap to whatever Republican wanted to buy it in the first place, and the GOP gets everything they wanted in the first place and no one else gets anything AND they shut down reparations talk forever.

It wouldn't play to their base, though, without explaining it all to them like I just did.
 
2020-07-15 1:53:26 PM  

Subtonic: Sexy Jesus: Plot twist: no reparations, just pork for connected developers and crooked contractors. Thanks a lot, Obama!

You just described the Federal Opportunity Zone initiative to a tee.

FOnZ!  Ayyy!

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2020-07-15 1:53:34 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: Oh boy! Forty mules and an acre.  Hope that acre is close to the highway.  Gonna start a BBQ Mule Restaurant.

Always wondered what would happen if the gummint offered 40 acres and a mule as reperations and said mule and acreage were in a country with cheap inhospitable land.


Ask Native Americans.
 
2020-07-15 1:58:46 PM  

fernt: Now that there is no draft, we need to end people under 21 voting. Because if you believe in Science™ you must accept that young people under 21 have not fully developed their cognitive functionality.


Counterpoint: Cold cognition is pretty well formed by age 16, which should be the voting age.
 
2020-07-15 2:00:30 PM  

Boondock3806: My issue with reparations has been when it's framed as a concept to provide a finite, arbitrary sum to people who are somehow proven to be direct slave descendants.

TFA: "The unanimously passed resolution does not mandate direct payments. Instead it will make investments in areas where Black residents face disparities."

This is much more in line with what the concept of reparations should be - an ongoing public policy of disproportionate investment directly targeting present day disparities. There should be no time cap or set dollar amount. Black education, health, and poverty needs to be targeted with disproportionately large budgets for decades, at all levels of government, everywhere in the United States.


This isn't reparations at all, though. This is them rebranding the basic function of government as something special. It's like trying to get extra credit for turning in your homework on time, after not showing up for the tests all semester.

I kind of admire the intelligence behind this slimy move, but it's also gross.
 
2020-07-15 2:05:07 PM  

feckingmorons: So they're not actually giving anyone any money, they just doing the same shiat they were doing before but they put some prose around it so it looks like they're doing something and so liberals can feel good.

OK.

I lived in Asheville before it was inundated with lunatics.


Please don't come back.
 
2020-07-15 2:05:09 PM  
The unanimously passed resolution does not mandate direct payments. Instead it will make investments in areas where Black residents face disparities.

That is the way, and all the , "cut us a check" fools  need to figure that out.

just shoving money in anyone's pocket is not going to help, we got tons of data and history on that already.


The real fix,. the real evolution has to be longer term and more meaningful than just, cut a check,
ok we're done here.

As has already been said for us:

the money will be in the hands of the land lord by night fall anyway.

And while that is only half the "" and that "" is about tax/wealth redistribution to go from the wealthy to the poor.

Same truth still applies, the money will be gone real fast just soaked up by the market and land lords in short order, while not actually culturally or socially changing a dam thing in the long run.


Change what it takes to have access to opportunity, and in the short term setup temporary stop gaps to just make opportunity for traditionally under served, lacked access people among us.


Affirmative action at the college level IS THE TEMP STOP GAP measure, to public schooling turning out a more diverse set of graduates, that create a properly distributed stack of applications at the college level to no longer need affirmative action to ensure a campus population diversity that matches the public diversity on random sampling.


The changes have top be real permanent cultural changes, not short term one off actions we take, like cutting a check to pretend that fixes hundred+ years of cultural racism we still let go on.
 
2020-07-15 2:08:13 PM  

Cervetus: Boondock3806: My issue with reparations has been when it's framed as a concept to provide a finite, arbitrary sum to people who are somehow proven to be direct slave descendants.

TFA: "The unanimously passed resolution does not mandate direct payments. Instead it will make investments in areas where Black residents face disparities."

This is much more in line with what the concept of reparations should be - an ongoing public policy of disproportionate investment directly targeting present day disparities. There should be no time cap or set dollar amount. Black education, health, and poverty needs to be targeted with disproportionately large budgets for decades, at all levels of government, everywhere in the United States.

This isn't reparations at all, though. This is them rebranding the basic function of government as something special. It's like trying to get extra credit for turning in your homework on time, after not showing up for the tests all semester.

I kind of admire the intelligence behind this slimy move, but it's also gross.


It's repairing what's broken. After enough years, with enough directed effort, does it stop being gross?
 
2020-07-15 2:14:32 PM  

Boondock3806: Cervetus: Boondock3806: My issue with reparations has been when it's framed as a concept to provide a finite, arbitrary sum to people who are somehow proven to be direct slave descendants.

TFA: "The unanimously passed resolution does not mandate direct payments. Instead it will make investments in areas where Black residents face disparities."

This is much more in line with what the concept of reparations should be - an ongoing public policy of disproportionate investment directly targeting present day disparities. There should be no time cap or set dollar amount. Black education, health, and poverty needs to be targeted with disproportionately large budgets for decades, at all levels of government, everywhere in the United States.

This isn't reparations at all, though. This is them rebranding the basic function of government as something special. It's like trying to get extra credit for turning in your homework on time, after not showing up for the tests all semester.

I kind of admire the intelligence behind this slimy move, but it's also gross.

It's repairing what's broken. After enough years, with enough directed effort, does it stop being gross?


I think you know that what I was saying was gross was trying to pass this action off as reparations, not the action itself.

The action itself is something that any halfway decent government should be doing every single legislative session - looking at underserved communities and providing resources intelligently. The fact that it's finally (and ostensibly) going to help black people doesn't change the fact that it's still just them doing their normal 9-5, just in a way that they've been incredibly delinquent on for centuries.

This whole thing makes me think of Chris Rock saying "What, you want a cookie?!" I would link the bit but I don't want the mods to get mad from the racial language in it.
 
2020-07-15 2:19:11 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: feckingmorons: So they're not actually giving anyone any money, they just doing the same shiat they were doing before but they put some prose around it so it looks like they're doing something and so liberals can feel good.

OK.

I lived in Asheville before it was inundated with lunatics.

Lunatics... huh. So you found a fitting place, why'd you leave?


He discovered Fark, and now he can take the lunacy wherever he goes.
 
2020-07-15 2:19:11 PM  
Asheville is such a great city. A bastion of progress in the heart of the south...the mountain south anyway.
Blows my mind that Mark Meadows is their rep. Must be some twisted gerrymandering going on.
 
2020-07-15 2:34:58 PM  
At the time of U.S. slavery, my ancestors were overseas facing their own difficulties with rights and independence  ... and this is why I have absolutely no problem with Asheville's reparations/plans, and don't mind if my tax dollars contribute to the righting of old wrongs.

I hope I'll never be one of those assholes who climbs out of the pit, and pulls up the ladder behind myself.
 
2020-07-15 3:18:32 PM  

DrD'isInfotainment: Asheville is such a great city. A bastion of progress in the heart of the south...the mountain south anyway.
Blows my mind that Mark Meadows is their rep. Must be some twisted gerrymandering going on.


It was, but it got mostly unfarked last year.
 
2020-07-15 3:48:12 PM  
You know what would be a better idea? Better than money, better than an apology on parchment or stone or metal?

FIXING THE RACIST SHAT THAT IS STILL GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

Speeches, proclamations, statues, plaques, renaming streets and even writing a check so that "the Blacks can finally STFU about slavery" is easy. Rooting out the foulness among your white brethren and stomping it out like a smoldering shatpile is more difficult... but it's the only satisfactory compensation that will actually do Black people any good. Fix now what should have been fixed at least 150+ years ago, and we'll talk.
 
2020-07-15 4:20:56 PM  

Boondock3806: My issue with reparations has been when it's framed as a concept to provide a finite, arbitrary sum to people who are somehow proven to be direct slave descendants.

TFA: "The unanimously passed resolution does not mandate direct payments. Instead it will make investments in areas where Black residents face disparities."

This is much more in line with what the concept of reparations should be - an ongoing public policy of disproportionate investment directly targeting present day disparities. There should be no time cap or set dollar amount. Black education, health, and poverty needs to be targeted with disproportionately large budgets for decades, at all levels of government, everywhere in the United States.


Agreed, a hundred times this.  Which is why:

rewind2846: You know what would be a better idea? Better than money, better than an apology on parchment or stone or metal?

FIXING THE RACIST SHAT THAT IS STILL GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

Speeches, proclamations, statues, plaques, renaming streets and even writing a check so that "the Blacks can finally STFU about slavery" is easy. Rooting out the foulness among your white brethren and stomping it out like a smoldering shatpile is more difficult... but it's the only satisfactory compensation that will actually do Black people any good. Fix now what should have been fixed at least 150+ years ago, and we'll talk.


Improving investment in black communities **IS** a crucial part of fixing the racist shiat still going on.  The process of deliberately shunting whites out of urban areas and then deliberately depriving and decreasing the property values of the resulting black-majority areas is a HUGE COMPONENT of how racial disparity has been kept so high.

How To Pretend Systemic Racism Doesn't Exist - SOME MORE NEWS
Youtube O4ciwjHVHYg


Around timestamp 31:26 it goes into the prof describing this process.
 
2020-07-15 4:45:26 PM  

DrD'isInfotainment: Asheville is such a great city. A bastion of progress in the heart of the south...the mountain south anyway.
Blows my mind that Mark Meadows is their rep. Must be some twisted gerrymandering going on.



I call it the Austin of the east coast. Same kind of vibe and same kind of money being flooded into there. My parents have a rental property an hour or so from that place and to see the massive overhaul that town has gone over the last 5-6 years is just amazing. Homes are being built all over and they are being offered at such a ridiculous amount.

I will say I am a whore for craft beer and love to visit when I get the chance. Burial, The Wedge, Sierra Nevada, Zebulon, Fonta Flora, and Wicked Weed (even though they sold themselves out some of their sours are still incredible.) Also the Blueridge Distillery and their Defiant whiskey is one of favorites. BiscuitHead is a must as well if you have a chance to grab some food, it's so good.
 
2020-07-15 5:14:18 PM  
"It is simply not enough to remove statutes..."

To be fair, statutes have their limitations.
 
2020-07-15 5:23:46 PM  

Cervetus: Boondock3806: My issue with reparations has been when it's framed as a concept to provide a finite, arbitrary sum to people who are somehow proven to be direct slave descendants.

TFA: "The unanimously passed resolution does not mandate direct payments. Instead it will make investments in areas where Black residents face disparities."

This is much more in line with what the concept of reparations should be - an ongoing public policy of disproportionate investment directly targeting present day disparities. There should be no time cap or set dollar amount. Black education, health, and poverty needs to be targeted with disproportionately large budgets for decades, at all levels of government, everywhere in the United States.

This isn't reparations at all, though. This is them rebranding the basic function of government as something special. It's like trying to get extra credit for turning in your homework on time, after not showing up for the tests all semester.

I kind of admire the intelligence behind this slimy move, but it's also gross.


Personally, I think your shiatty, self-centered, contrarian edgelord take on this issue is pretty gross.

To each their own, I guess. You'd probably get a better response to your privileged concern-trolling on 8chan.
 
2020-07-15 5:52:20 PM  
Google completion indicates that a lot of people want to know just who the hell these city council members are

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No, they aren't all black.

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However Ashville has the highest hippie quotient of all North Carolina and Appalachia
 
2020-07-15 6:04:20 PM  

emtwo: Cervetus: Boondock3806: My issue with reparations has been when it's framed as a concept to provide a finite, arbitrary sum to people who are somehow proven to be direct slave descendants.

TFA: "The unanimously passed resolution does not mandate direct payments. Instead it will make investments in areas where Black residents face disparities."

This is much more in line with what the concept of reparations should be - an ongoing public policy of disproportionate investment directly targeting present day disparities. There should be no time cap or set dollar amount. Black education, health, and poverty needs to be targeted with disproportionately large budgets for decades, at all levels of government, everywhere in the United States.

This isn't reparations at all, though. This is them rebranding the basic function of government as something special. It's like trying to get extra credit for turning in your homework on time, after not showing up for the tests all semester.

I kind of admire the intelligence behind this slimy move, but it's also gross.

Personally, I think your shiatty, self-centered, contrarian edgelord take on this issue is pretty gross.

To each their own, I guess. You'd probably get a better response to your privileged concern-trolling on 8chan.


I feel like you are grossly misunderstanding my position, either intentionally or unintentionally. This law being passed and being called reparations is like your boss handing you your paycheck on December 25th and calling it your Christmas bonus. I'm not at all saying the check is a bad thing, just the weaselly redefinition.

When black people are asking for reparations, this is not what they mean. They also want what Asheville is doing, as does every non-terrible person, but this bill is literally just the Asheville city council announcing that they're going to start doing their jobs.
 
2020-07-15 6:06:00 PM  

feckingmorons: So they're not actually giving anyone any money, they just doing the same shiat they were doing before but they put some prose around it so it looks like they're doing something and so liberals can feel good.

OK.

I lived in Asheville before it was inundated with lunatics.


WTF do you think reparations would look like exactly? do you think black people are just going to get a $1200 check and that'll close the case on this? Hell, conservatives at some point will wise up on how easy that would be and grant something just like that, and then wash their hands of it whole issues while pretending to be the party of not racism.
 
2020-07-15 6:08:46 PM  
fernt:Now that there is no draft, we need to end people under 21 voting.

Conservatives would love to trash the constitution if it kept more people from voting
 
2020-07-15 6:47:59 PM  

Ker_Thwap: At the time of U.S. slavery, my ancestors were overseas facing their own difficulties with rights and independence  ... and this is why I have absolutely no problem with Asheville's reparations/plans, and don't mind if my tax dollars contribute to the righting of old wrongs.

I hope I'll never be one of those assholes who climbs out of the pit, and pulls up the ladder behind myself.


some of them have never seen the pit.
 
2020-07-15 9:35:57 PM  
Asheville is an interesting place.

This is nothing more than repackaging already existing government programs as reparations.
 
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