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2020-07-15 2:09:51 AM  
34 votes:
And they voted for that in a Zoom video conference.

While some were wearing masks in a goddamn remote video conference.

I believe this should nullify their decision and force them to do the vote in person. No masks. No social distancing. With Larry the stenographer coughing his lungs up on them while taking the minutes
 
2020-07-14 10:12:06 PM  
21 votes:
Pissing people off is bad. Pissing off the old people about COVID was worse. Pissing people off about not giving a fark about their kids will lose you votes.

People will kill you over their kids.
 
2020-07-14 10:01:19 PM  
16 votes:
Schools are the most efficient disease vector there is.
 
2020-07-14 9:15:56 PM  
13 votes:
Thank Christ I don't have kids but even I know of course they're all going to give each other the virus.
 
2020-07-15 2:20:20 AM  
12 votes:
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2020-07-15 2:12:45 AM  
12 votes:
OC contains some of the most craven GOP worshippers in all the United States.
 
2020-07-14 9:22:11 PM  
12 votes:
The board noted that these recommendations were merely guidelines, not "laws" or "even rules." It will be up to the individual school districts on how they want to go about having their students return for in-person classes.

For fark's sake can anyone show some goddamn leadership? Make farking rules; it is a goddamn pandemic.

/even at my school I had to make the call to go online in March before the "leaders" finally shut shiat down. I mostly teach philosophy, so I am not the person to make farking public health decisions nor should I be required to.

So what happens if China invades? Are we going to nicely ask people to pretty please join the military if perhaps they feel like it or are we going to have a farking draft?
 
2020-07-14 10:25:23 PM  
10 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: Schools are the most efficient disease vector there is.


I'd put schools right up there with gyms, bars and nightclubs.
 
2020-07-15 3:51:14 AM  
6 votes:

Birnone: OC has a lot of Republican types in power. Republicans want to reopen everything. This is why that board is using the idea that children aren't bothered by COVID-19 as their excuse for not mandating masks or distancing. This also why that board doesn't seem to care about the adult school employees. The push to reopen is everything to them. But they don't have the balls to admit it. This is why they say these aren't laws or rules. They are saying what they want to see happen without having to take responsibility for making it happen.


I can't wrap my head around how few mention this, but those children don't live on their own, feeding themselves and such. They live with their families which by packing their children indoors in one place they're cross-contaminating all those families.
 
2020-07-15 2:58:33 AM  
5 votes:
I can't believe that living on one side of the street means that you know your kids will be safe in FOUR WEEKS, and living on the other side of the street means your kids are being sent into a toxic cesspool IN FOUR WEEKS.

I hate this, and I don't even have children.
 
2020-07-15 5:53:24 AM  
4 votes:

mongbiohazard: Birnone: OC has a lot of Republican types in power. Republicans want to reopen everything. This is why that board is using the idea that children aren't bothered by COVID-19 as their excuse for not mandating masks or distancing. This also why that board doesn't seem to care about the adult school employees. The push to reopen is everything to them. But they don't have the balls to admit it. This is why they say these aren't laws or rules. They are saying what they want to see happen without having to take responsibility for making it happen.

I can't wrap my head around how few mention this, but those children don't live on their own, feeding themselves and such. They live with their families which by packing their children indoors in one place they're cross-contaminating all those families.


It goes a little deeper than that. The kids that have the poorest families will live in houses with more people in them. The other people in that house typically won't have jobs where they can work from home. Walmart, supermarkets, fast food restaurants, etc. More residents per household and many of those residents are regularly out among the public. Not a good mix.

Poor people are already dying disproportionately. Positive cases per 1k residents is always higher in the poor zip codes. This will kill more poor people.
 
2020-07-15 3:52:13 AM  
4 votes:
At first, it saddens me to think that somebody on a board of education would write anything sounding so unintelligent in formal writing:

Requiring children to wear masks during school is not only difficult -- if not impossible to implement -- but not based on science. It may even be harmful and is therefore not recommended.

Then again, I remember, it's Orange County. At the time these people grew up, it was doing its part to drag down California's rank among educational standards, along with all the other counties down here.
 
2020-07-15 3:01:11 AM  
4 votes:
OC has a lot of Republican types in power. Republicans want to reopen everything. This is why that board is using the idea that children aren't bothered by COVID-19 as their excuse for not mandating masks or distancing. This also why that board doesn't seem to care about the adult school employees. The push to reopen is everything to them. But they don't have the balls to admit it. This is why they say these aren't laws or rules. They are saying what they want to see happen without having to take responsibility for making it happen.
 
2020-07-15 2:44:53 AM  
4 votes:
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2020-07-15 12:51:21 AM  
4 votes:
Gov. Newsom has made it pretty clear he'll yoink their State funding if they endanger public safety
 
2020-07-15 3:09:57 PM  
3 votes:

Birnone: OC has a lot of Republican types in power. Republicans want to reopen everything. This is why that board is using the idea that children aren't bothered by COVID-19 as their excuse for not mandating masks or distancing. This also why that board doesn't seem to care about the adult school employees. The push to reopen is everything to them. But they don't have the balls to admit it. This is why they say these aren't laws or rules. They are saying what they want to see happen without having to take responsibility for making it happen.


that's super Pro Life of em.
 
2020-07-15 7:16:49 AM  
3 votes:

AliceBToklasLives: The board noted that these recommendations were merely guidelines, not "laws" or "even rules." It will be up to the individual school districts on how they want to go about having their students return for in-person classes.

For fark's sake can anyone show some goddamn leadership? Make farking rules; it is a goddamn pandemic.

/even at my school I had to make the call to go online in March before the "leaders" finally shut shiat down. I mostly teach philosophy, so I am not the person to make farking public health decisions nor should I be required to.

So what happens if China invades? Are we going to nicely ask people to pretty please join the military if perhaps they feel like it or are we going to have a farking draft?


They are Republicans. They have spent decades telling the world that "government is the problem." Are you actually surprised that - once elected to positions in government - they are clueless about leadership?

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph​p​/Main/ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin
 
2020-07-15 3:14:18 AM  
3 votes:

edmo: Pissing people off is bad. Pissing off the old people about COVID was worse. Pissing people off about not giving a fark about their kids will lose you votes.

People will kill you over their kids.


I would murder all of you to save my kids.

I feel bad, but I'd do it.
 
2020-07-15 2:13:25 AM  
3 votes:
The fark is in the water in Orange County??
 
2020-07-15 9:14:12 AM  
2 votes:

penguinopus: I don't know what the policy should be, but it does appear that children are not in the high-risk group for Covid-19 and they are not a major cause of the spread.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/​2020/07/200710100934.htm

I still wouldn't send my kids back to school if I had kids that age. But if other parents do, the results might not be as dire as some of the predictions in this thread. Here's hoping, anyway.


They're not at risk of dying, but they sure as hell can catch it and they sure as hell can spread it.

Children don't live in a bubble.  Children come home from school and interact with parents and other family members.  Those parents and other family members than go to work and to patronize other establishments, thereby putting those people at risk.

See the recent daycare thing here in america where 16 kids got sick.

In israel they were down to almost 0 cases, reopened schools, and jumped to over 2,000 cases, with 40% of cases being tied directly to schools.

Kids not being at risk to get as sick is just as dangerous for everyone else because they will go to school feeling only slightly under the weather and spread it.

Kids don't live in a bubble.  And the biggest threat to spreading is sitting in an enclosed room for hours on end is the biggest risk to spreading it, and just because they aren't directly at risk doesn't mean others who will either have direct contact or secondary or tertiary contact with these kids aren't.
 
2020-07-15 8:31:55 AM  
2 votes:

penguinopus: I don't know what the policy should be, but it does appear that children are not in the high-risk group for Covid-19 and they are not a major cause of the spread.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/​2020/07/200710100934.htm

I still wouldn't send my kids back to school if I had kids that age. But if other parents do, the results might not be as dire as some of the predictions in this thread. Here's hoping, anyway.


This isn't wrong to first order - children are far, far less likely to have symptoms or any serious effects from the disease (that said, even a 0.02% death rate can still mean thousands of dead kids, so let's not make light of it even given that). However, schools aren't some sort of force field buildings for which the virus respects the school boundaries. The data from Israel show that, sure, kids don't have too many problems - but they catch it and take it home and give it to everyone else. Mom, dad, grandma, teachers, etc. They reopened schools in mid-May and found a direct link between said reopening and the dramatic increase in cases among the adult populations.

I mean, one kid gets the flu and in 2 days the entire class has it. And parents are well aware of the fact that when their kids get sick from almost anything they're likely to get it too. Not sure why people are thinking that won't happen to an even larger degree with a virus that takes a week to incubate AND can have asymptomatic spreaders.
 
2020-07-15 4:30:06 AM  
2 votes:

Birnone: OC has a lot of Republican types in power. Republicans want to reopen everything. This is why that board is using the idea that children aren't bothered by COVID-19 as their excuse for not mandating masks or distancing. This also why that board doesn't seem to care about the adult school employees. The push to reopen is everything to them. But they don't have the balls to admit it. This is why they say these aren't laws or rules. They are saying what they want to see happen without having to take responsibility for making it happen.


I strongly suspect (to the point that I consider it inevitable) that Newsom will override any such attempt.  In fact, I believe it's what they're counting on.  They figure they can stand up for sticking it to the poors and browns, but well the governor went all exceeding his authority and made us do this telepresence bullshiat - what could we do our hands were tied!  Typical dumbass 'rile up the base' bullshiat games, at a time when games are going to get people killed.  They have yet to get the memo that business is in fact NOT as usual - and will not be.
 
2020-07-15 3:26:22 AM  
2 votes:
Start asking these "leaders" for hard numbers on how many kids and teachers they'll willing to see dead before closing back down.

What body count is acceptable to them, because this will kill people.

So what's the limit assholes.
 
2020-07-15 3:17:36 AM  
2 votes:

chawco: edmo: Pissing people off is bad. Pissing off the old people about COVID was worse. Pissing people off about not giving a fark about their kids will lose you votes.

People will kill you over their kids.

I would murder all of you to save my kids.

I feel bad, but I'd do it.


I'd murder all of you to save everyone's kids. I'd kill my own cats to save a stranger's kids.

Too many people wouldn't, it seems to me.
 
2020-07-15 3:02:07 AM  
2 votes:
I assume they've issued an RFP for a Modest Proposal?

/dnrtfa
 
2020-07-15 2:32:53 AM  
2 votes:
Right now in Sydney Australia where I live, they are significantly more co-ordinated than what seems to be the case in Orange County, and in America.

Nevertheless there are some similarities right now, which leads to my advice here.

In Sydney right now there are specific areas where clusters of positive CoOVID-19 test results have shown up.

In Orange County it looks like there are going to be specific areas where urging children to return to school will nullify the good work of social distancing in trying to minimise the spread of the virus.

For me, while I am now going out a little socially once again after the lockdown, there is no way I am going anywhere near the areas where there are clusters of coronavirus patients.

Likewise, I strongly advise Farkers in Orange County and elsewhere to keep an eye on areas where the social distancing is failing. This is possible by tracking areas in articles like Subby's one here. Then plan any necessary journeys, such as for shopping, accordingly and stay the hell away from any area which does not practice adequate social distancing.

It is terrible that there is no effective leadership on this deadly issue, but in lieu of that, sensible Americans need to check the virus news in areas where they plan to go and if it does not seem safe, don't go!
 
2020-07-15 8:38:28 AM  
1 vote:

TorpedoOrca: And they voted for that in a Zoom video conference.

While some were wearing masks in a goddamn remote video conference.

I believe this should nullify their decision and force them to do the vote in person. No masks. No social distancing. With Larry the stenographer coughing his lungs up on them while taking the minutes


No.  I disagree.  School board has to participate in classes 5 days a week in the most crowded classrooms as a TA.

They aren't wrong when they say kids are in the least danger possible, but that doesn't prevent them from catching it or spreading it.

Let them be involved with the kids all the time.
 
2020-07-15 3:18:56 AM  
1 vote:

AliceBToklasLives: The board noted that these recommendations were merely guidelines, not "laws" or "even rules." It will be up to the individual school districts on how they want to go about having their students return for in-person classes.


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