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2020-07-14 9:15:56 PM  
Thank Christ I don't have kids but even I know of course they're all going to give each other the virus.
 
2020-07-14 9:22:11 PM  
The board noted that these recommendations were merely guidelines, not "laws" or "even rules." It will be up to the individual school districts on how they want to go about having their students return for in-person classes.

For fark's sake can anyone show some goddamn leadership? Make farking rules; it is a goddamn pandemic.

/even at my school I had to make the call to go online in March before the "leaders" finally shut shiat down. I mostly teach philosophy, so I am not the person to make farking public health decisions nor should I be required to.

So what happens if China invades? Are we going to nicely ask people to pretty please join the military if perhaps they feel like it or are we going to have a farking draft?
 
2020-07-14 10:01:19 PM  
Schools are the most efficient disease vector there is.
 
2020-07-14 10:12:06 PM  
Pissing people off is bad. Pissing off the old people about COVID was worse. Pissing people off about not giving a fark about their kids will lose you votes.

People will kill you over their kids.
 
2020-07-14 10:25:23 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Schools are the most efficient disease vector there is.


I'd put schools right up there with gyms, bars and nightclubs.
 
2020-07-15 12:51:21 AM  
Gov. Newsom has made it pretty clear he'll yoink their State funding if they endanger public safety
 
2020-07-15 2:09:51 AM  
And they voted for that in a Zoom video conference.

While some were wearing masks in a goddamn remote video conference.

I believe this should nullify their decision and force them to do the vote in person. No masks. No social distancing. With Larry the stenographer coughing his lungs up on them while taking the minutes
 
2020-07-15 2:12:45 AM  
OC contains some of the most craven GOP worshippers in all the United States.
 
2020-07-15 2:13:25 AM  
The fark is in the water in Orange County??
 
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2020-07-15 2:13:43 AM  
Whatever board-that-has-no-power. The local school district officials "get" to face the angry parents (online, but still), and will be a lot more likely to duck and close the schools.

That's not all good. A lot of poor kids are just checking out mentally right now. I worry.  But also, fark opening bars and gyms while schools are closed.
 
2020-07-15 2:20:20 AM  
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2020-07-15 2:22:15 AM  
Meanwhile in KY

What the Fark is going on in our world when KY has more sense than the rest of the country so far?
 
2020-07-15 2:23:04 AM  

doomjesse: Meanwhile in KY

What the Fark is going on in our world when KY has more sense than the rest of the country so far?


Wait.. I'm an idiot.  That's an old article.
 
2020-07-15 2:30:03 AM  

fusillade762: The fark is in the water in Orange County??


I'd be tempted to blame it on the pharmaceuticals in their potable wastewater reuse, but their insanity long predates that.
 
2020-07-15 2:31:43 AM  

Enigmamf: fusillade762: The fark is in the water in Orange County??

I'd be tempted to blame it on the pharmaceuticals in their potable wastewater reuse, but their insanity long predates that.


OC is downstream of what was the aerospace industry in the 1960s
 
2020-07-15 2:32:53 AM  
Right now in Sydney Australia where I live, they are significantly more co-ordinated than what seems to be the case in Orange County, and in America.

Nevertheless there are some similarities right now, which leads to my advice here.

In Sydney right now there are specific areas where clusters of positive CoOVID-19 test results have shown up.

In Orange County it looks like there are going to be specific areas where urging children to return to school will nullify the good work of social distancing in trying to minimise the spread of the virus.

For me, while I am now going out a little socially once again after the lockdown, there is no way I am going anywhere near the areas where there are clusters of coronavirus patients.

Likewise, I strongly advise Farkers in Orange County and elsewhere to keep an eye on areas where the social distancing is failing. This is possible by tracking areas in articles like Subby's one here. Then plan any necessary journeys, such as for shopping, accordingly and stay the hell away from any area which does not practice adequate social distancing.

It is terrible that there is no effective leadership on this deadly issue, but in lieu of that, sensible Americans need to check the virus news in areas where they plan to go and if it does not seem safe, don't go!
 
2020-07-15 2:44:53 AM  
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2020-07-15 2:49:44 AM  
My dad used to tell me that schools were such terrible bureaucracys that they made all other bureaucracys look amazing.
 
2020-07-15 2:58:33 AM  
I can't believe that living on one side of the street means that you know your kids will be safe in FOUR WEEKS, and living on the other side of the street means your kids are being sent into a toxic cesspool IN FOUR WEEKS.

I hate this, and I don't even have children.
 
2020-07-15 3:01:11 AM  
OC has a lot of Republican types in power. Republicans want to reopen everything. This is why that board is using the idea that children aren't bothered by COVID-19 as their excuse for not mandating masks or distancing. This also why that board doesn't seem to care about the adult school employees. The push to reopen is everything to them. But they don't have the balls to admit it. This is why they say these aren't laws or rules. They are saying what they want to see happen without having to take responsibility for making it happen.
 
2020-07-15 3:02:07 AM  
I assume they've issued an RFP for a Modest Proposal?

/dnrtfa
 
2020-07-15 3:14:18 AM  

edmo: Pissing people off is bad. Pissing off the old people about COVID was worse. Pissing people off about not giving a fark about their kids will lose you votes.

People will kill you over their kids.


I would murder all of you to save my kids.

I feel bad, but I'd do it.
 
2020-07-15 3:17:36 AM  

chawco: edmo: Pissing people off is bad. Pissing off the old people about COVID was worse. Pissing people off about not giving a fark about their kids will lose you votes.

People will kill you over their kids.

I would murder all of you to save my kids.

I feel bad, but I'd do it.


I'd murder all of you to save everyone's kids. I'd kill my own cats to save a stranger's kids.

Too many people wouldn't, it seems to me.
 
2020-07-15 3:18:56 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: The board noted that these recommendations were merely guidelines, not "laws" or "even rules." It will be up to the individual school districts on how they want to go about having their students return for in-person classes.


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2020-07-15 3:19:24 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: The board noted that these recommendations were merely guidelines, not "laws" or "even rules." It will be up to the individual school districts on how they want to go about having their students return for in-person classes.

For fark's sake can anyone show some goddamn leadership? Make farking rules; it is a goddamn pandemic.

/even at my school I had to make the call to go online in March before the "leaders" finally shut shiat down. I mostly teach philosophy, so I am not the person to make farking public health decisions nor should I be required to.

So what happens if China invades? Are we going to nicely ask people to pretty please join the military if perhaps they feel like it or are we going to have a farking draft?


no one is about to invade the 'murica, especially the Commie Red Midgets. we have approx. 123 firearms per every 100 people in 'murica. when i grew up there was at least one WWII veteran on every street that had a gott damm arsenal in their house ready to go. add up how many retired military, gang members, angry ex-convicts and pissed off citizens we have across this nation. you'd have to have a gott damm death wish to try a 'murican invasion. me, i'd kill them, cook them and eat them as a lesson to others of their ilk. rump roast is rump roast and the price of beef is too damn high.
 
2020-07-15 3:26:22 AM  
Start asking these "leaders" for hard numbers on how many kids and teachers they'll willing to see dead before closing back down.

What body count is acceptable to them, because this will kill people.

So what's the limit assholes.
 
2020-07-15 3:39:51 AM  

Gyrfalcon: chawco: edmo: Pissing people off is bad. Pissing off the old people about COVID was worse. Pissing people off about not giving a fark about their kids will lose you votes.

People will kill you over their kids.

I would murder all of you to save my kids.

I feel bad, but I'd do it.

I'd murder all of you to save everyone's kids. I'd kill my own cats to save a stranger's kids.

Too many people wouldn't, it seems to me.


I would murder all of you.

I feel bad, but I'd do it, too.
 
2020-07-15 3:51:14 AM  

Birnone: OC has a lot of Republican types in power. Republicans want to reopen everything. This is why that board is using the idea that children aren't bothered by COVID-19 as their excuse for not mandating masks or distancing. This also why that board doesn't seem to care about the adult school employees. The push to reopen is everything to them. But they don't have the balls to admit it. This is why they say these aren't laws or rules. They are saying what they want to see happen without having to take responsibility for making it happen.


I can't wrap my head around how few mention this, but those children don't live on their own, feeding themselves and such. They live with their families which by packing their children indoors in one place they're cross-contaminating all those families.
 
2020-07-15 3:52:13 AM  
At first, it saddens me to think that somebody on a board of education would write anything sounding so unintelligent in formal writing:

Requiring children to wear masks during school is not only difficult -- if not impossible to implement -- but not based on science. It may even be harmful and is therefore not recommended.

Then again, I remember, it's Orange County. At the time these people grew up, it was doing its part to drag down California's rank among educational standards, along with all the other counties down here.
 
2020-07-15 4:05:04 AM  
This reboot of The OC does not sound good.
 
2020-07-15 4:30:06 AM  

Birnone: OC has a lot of Republican types in power. Republicans want to reopen everything. This is why that board is using the idea that children aren't bothered by COVID-19 as their excuse for not mandating masks or distancing. This also why that board doesn't seem to care about the adult school employees. The push to reopen is everything to them. But they don't have the balls to admit it. This is why they say these aren't laws or rules. They are saying what they want to see happen without having to take responsibility for making it happen.


I strongly suspect (to the point that I consider it inevitable) that Newsom will override any such attempt.  In fact, I believe it's what they're counting on.  They figure they can stand up for sticking it to the poors and browns, but well the governor went all exceeding his authority and made us do this telepresence bullshiat - what could we do our hands were tied!  Typical dumbass 'rile up the base' bullshiat games, at a time when games are going to get people killed.  They have yet to get the memo that business is in fact NOT as usual - and will not be.
 
2020-07-15 5:16:18 AM  
I don't know what the policy should be, but it does appear that children are not in the high-risk group for Covid-19 and they are not a major cause of the spread.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases​/​2020/07/200710100934.htm

I still wouldn't send my kids back to school if I had kids that age. But if other parents do, the results might not be as dire as some of the predictions in this thread. Here's hoping, anyway.
 
2020-07-15 5:38:54 AM  
As an Angelino, these people are out of their minds.  They should be embarrassed to have suggested anything so mind-numbingly stupid.

"Requiring children to wear masks during school is not only difficult -- if not impossible to implement -- but not based on science. It may even be harmful and is therefore not recommended," it said.

Perfect is the enemy of good here, guys. Science is a real thing. We have a decent understanding of fluid systems and microbiology. Wearing a mask isn't harmful.

I'm baffled by this and I hope my neighbors to the south continue telling these clowns to get bent.
 
2020-07-15 5:53:24 AM  

mongbiohazard: Birnone: OC has a lot of Republican types in power. Republicans want to reopen everything. This is why that board is using the idea that children aren't bothered by COVID-19 as their excuse for not mandating masks or distancing. This also why that board doesn't seem to care about the adult school employees. The push to reopen is everything to them. But they don't have the balls to admit it. This is why they say these aren't laws or rules. They are saying what they want to see happen without having to take responsibility for making it happen.

I can't wrap my head around how few mention this, but those children don't live on their own, feeding themselves and such. They live with their families which by packing their children indoors in one place they're cross-contaminating all those families.


It goes a little deeper than that. The kids that have the poorest families will live in houses with more people in them. The other people in that house typically won't have jobs where they can work from home. Walmart, supermarkets, fast food restaurants, etc. More residents per household and many of those residents are regularly out among the public. Not a good mix.

Poor people are already dying disproportionately. Positive cases per 1k residents is always higher in the poor zip codes. This will kill more poor people.
 
2020-07-15 5:56:18 AM  
When I retired from the Navy, I used my GI Bill to finish my degree & taught for a year. Guess which job gave me PTSD? I still have the facial tic flair up occasionally. I taught in a Grades 6-12 campus of a large, suburban/rural district. While the Pre-Ks & K-5s are basically uncontrollable disease vectors running to & fro incessantly, it is the Puberty People who won't stop touching themselves & each other. After the day that decided I would not be returning in the Fall Term, I watched while the Sheriff's deputies & borrowed crime squads used blacklights to search for fluids besides blood (it was a Tuesday, & I couldn't get my car keys from my locked safe drawer until they were done - good ol' days before teachers had guns safes  & such). I still don't know why they needed evidence of other body fluids, you'd've thunk the blood was enough but I think one kid urinated on another or just out of fear, maybe. I was concussed & out of it for the rest of the week, shouldn't've worked, but stupidly soldiered on. For a long time after, I obsessively cleaned any place a kid had been. Ew & ick. I'm gay, I've seen the fetish pornos about teens masturbating under their desks & tables but I never did it & wouldn't have thought of it, honestly, nor dared, or even thought it true. But sweet Jesus' Jackass, those blacklights & the testimony of the County Mounties convinced me that happen it does. (Disclosure: not into chicken: I've always like men my age & they've aged as I have, but PornHub's search engines aren't as exacting in their returns as I would like. Sometimes you have to push past what you don't want to find what you do, so I've seen things.)

I don't know the best solution but classrooms will never be sanitary enough to prevent contagion. It starts with every child learning sanitary habits at home, and that's never going to be even 90%. Monkey see, monkey wipes excretions on nearest surface.

/If you breed pigs, you get pigs.
//Nephew is a swineherd. We worried he'd never have a good job but he does well with specialty breeds as well as meats.
///Doesn't keep them as pets; doesn't want his son to get attached to the inventory.
 
2020-07-15 7:16:49 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: The board noted that these recommendations were merely guidelines, not "laws" or "even rules." It will be up to the individual school districts on how they want to go about having their students return for in-person classes.

For fark's sake can anyone show some goddamn leadership? Make farking rules; it is a goddamn pandemic.

/even at my school I had to make the call to go online in March before the "leaders" finally shut shiat down. I mostly teach philosophy, so I am not the person to make farking public health decisions nor should I be required to.

So what happens if China invades? Are we going to nicely ask people to pretty please join the military if perhaps they feel like it or are we going to have a farking draft?


They are Republicans. They have spent decades telling the world that "government is the problem." Are you actually surprised that - once elected to positions in government - they are clueless about leadership?

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph​p​/Main/ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin
 
2020-07-15 7:38:02 AM  

penguinopus: I don't know what the policy should be, but it does appear that children are not in the high-risk group for Covid-19 and they are not a major cause of the spread.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/​2020/07/200710100934.htm

I still wouldn't send my kids back to school if I had kids that age. But if other parents do, the results might not be as dire as some of the predictions in this thread. Here's hoping, anyway.


So because they might not die, it's okay for them to become carriers to kill off the rest of the family?  Oh, Jimmy went back to school, but now his grandparents are dead, and dad is missing work as he fights the virus.  Yay, Jimmy got to go back to school.  The focus is on slowing down spreading the virus, not just the people who might, or might not die.
 
2020-07-15 8:06:19 AM  

sinko swimo: AliceBToklasLives: The board noted that these recommendations were merely guidelines, not "laws" or "even rules." It will be up to the individual school districts on how they want to go about having their students return for in-person classes.

For fark's sake can anyone show some goddamn leadership? Make farking rules; it is a goddamn pandemic.

/even at my school I had to make the call to go online in March before the "leaders" finally shut shiat down. I mostly teach philosophy, so I am not the person to make farking public health decisions nor should I be required to.

So what happens if China invades? Are we going to nicely ask people to pretty please join the military if perhaps they feel like it or are we going to have a farking draft?

no one is about to invade the 'murica, especially the Commie Red Midgets. we have approx. 123 firearms per every 100 people in 'murica. when i grew up there was at least one WWII veteran on every street that had a gott damm arsenal in their house ready to go. add up how many retired military, gang members, angry ex-convicts and pissed off citizens we have across this nation. you'd have to have a gott damm death wish to try a 'murican invasion. me, i'd kill them, cook them and eat them as a lesson to others of their ilk. rump roast is rump roast and the price of beef is too damn high.


Oh you sweet summer child.
 
2020-07-15 8:17:14 AM  

phishrace: mongbiohazard: Birnone: OC has a lot of Republican types in power. Republicans want to reopen everything. This is why that board is using the idea that children aren't bothered by COVID-19 as their excuse for not mandating masks or distancing. This also why that board doesn't seem to care about the adult school employees. The push to reopen is everything to them. But they don't have the balls to admit it. This is why they say these aren't laws or rules. They are saying what they want to see happen without having to take responsibility for making it happen.

I can't wrap my head around how few mention this, but those children don't live on their own, feeding themselves and such. They live with their families which by packing their children indoors in one place they're cross-contaminating all those families.

It goes a little deeper than that. The kids that have the poorest families will live in houses with more people in them. The other people in that house typically won't have jobs where they can work from home. Walmart, supermarkets, fast food restaurants, etc. More residents per household and many of those residents are regularly out among the public. Not a good mix.

Poor people are already dying disproportionately. Positive cases per 1k residents is always higher in the poor zip codes. This will kill more poor people.


Yep.

My theory is that Covid-19 is a revolutionary mutation in viruses that - like the zombie-ant fungus Ophiocordyceps unilateralis - infects the brain and causes victims to do insanely stupid things that will insure its spread.

Also, its been around a lot longer than we think - since March 20, 1854.
 
2020-07-15 8:31:55 AM  

penguinopus: I don't know what the policy should be, but it does appear that children are not in the high-risk group for Covid-19 and they are not a major cause of the spread.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/​2020/07/200710100934.htm

I still wouldn't send my kids back to school if I had kids that age. But if other parents do, the results might not be as dire as some of the predictions in this thread. Here's hoping, anyway.


This isn't wrong to first order - children are far, far less likely to have symptoms or any serious effects from the disease (that said, even a 0.02% death rate can still mean thousands of dead kids, so let's not make light of it even given that). However, schools aren't some sort of force field buildings for which the virus respects the school boundaries. The data from Israel show that, sure, kids don't have too many problems - but they catch it and take it home and give it to everyone else. Mom, dad, grandma, teachers, etc. They reopened schools in mid-May and found a direct link between said reopening and the dramatic increase in cases among the adult populations.

I mean, one kid gets the flu and in 2 days the entire class has it. And parents are well aware of the fact that when their kids get sick from almost anything they're likely to get it too. Not sure why people are thinking that won't happen to an even larger degree with a virus that takes a week to incubate AND can have asymptomatic spreaders.
 
2020-07-15 8:38:28 AM  

TorpedoOrca: And they voted for that in a Zoom video conference.

While some were wearing masks in a goddamn remote video conference.

I believe this should nullify their decision and force them to do the vote in person. No masks. No social distancing. With Larry the stenographer coughing his lungs up on them while taking the minutes


No.  I disagree.  School board has to participate in classes 5 days a week in the most crowded classrooms as a TA.

They aren't wrong when they say kids are in the least danger possible, but that doesn't prevent them from catching it or spreading it.

Let them be involved with the kids all the time.
 
2020-07-15 8:40:55 AM  
This is good.  Someone has to test the business as usual approach to returning to school to see if it works. Let them do it and the rest of us can sit back and watch.
 
2020-07-15 8:46:11 AM  

sinko swimo: AliceBToklasLives: The board noted that these recommendations were merely guidelines, not "laws" or "even rules." It will be up to the individual school districts on how they want to go about having their students return for in-person classes.

For fark's sake can anyone show some goddamn leadership? Make farking rules; it is a goddamn pandemic.

/even at my school I had to make the call to go online in March before the "leaders" finally shut shiat down. I mostly teach philosophy, so I am not the person to make farking public health decisions nor should I be required to.

So what happens if China invades? Are we going to nicely ask people to pretty please join the military if perhaps they feel like it or are we going to have a farking draft?

no one is about to invade the 'murica, especially the Commie Red Midgets. we have approx. 123 firearms per every 100 people in 'murica. when i grew up there was at least one WWII veteran on every street that had a gott damm arsenal in their house ready to go. add up how many retired military, gang members, angry ex-convicts and pissed off citizens we have across this nation. you'd have to have a gott damm death wish to try a 'murican invasion. me, i'd kill them, cook them and eat them as a lesson to others of their ilk. rump roast is rump roast and the price of beef is too damn high.


If you think civilians being armed would bother the chinese you're sorely mistaken.  Just like the fever dream of taking on a "tyrannical" government, it's dumb.  WZ-10s, artillery, APCs, and missiles dgaf about a bunch of random armed people that have never trained together.
 
2020-07-15 9:14:12 AM  

penguinopus: I don't know what the policy should be, but it does appear that children are not in the high-risk group for Covid-19 and they are not a major cause of the spread.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/​2020/07/200710100934.htm

I still wouldn't send my kids back to school if I had kids that age. But if other parents do, the results might not be as dire as some of the predictions in this thread. Here's hoping, anyway.


They're not at risk of dying, but they sure as hell can catch it and they sure as hell can spread it.

Children don't live in a bubble.  Children come home from school and interact with parents and other family members.  Those parents and other family members than go to work and to patronize other establishments, thereby putting those people at risk.

See the recent daycare thing here in america where 16 kids got sick.

In israel they were down to almost 0 cases, reopened schools, and jumped to over 2,000 cases, with 40% of cases being tied directly to schools.

Kids not being at risk to get as sick is just as dangerous for everyone else because they will go to school feeling only slightly under the weather and spread it.

Kids don't live in a bubble.  And the biggest threat to spreading is sitting in an enclosed room for hours on end is the biggest risk to spreading it, and just because they aren't directly at risk doesn't mean others who will either have direct contact or secondary or tertiary contact with these kids aren't.
 
2020-07-15 10:09:03 AM  

runwiz: This is good.  Someone has to test the business as usual approach to returning to school to see if it works. Let them do it and the rest of us can sit back and watch.


I live in LA County, we don't have a bridge we can close like Denmark did w/ Sweden.
 
2020-07-15 11:02:13 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Enigmamf: fusillade762: The fark is in the water in Orange County??

I'd be tempted to blame it on the pharmaceuticals in their potable wastewater reuse, but their insanity long predates that.

OC is downstream of what was the aerospace industry in the 1960s


Downstream? Anaheim and Seal Beach were huuuge aerospace centers.

I worked at the Fry's Electronics in Anaheim when it opened.. had more than one person tell me they worked in that building when it was doing aerospace stuff..... there apparently was a Beryllium pit in the rear of the building.
 
2020-07-15 11:03:33 AM  
Well.. the largest school district in Orange County (Santa Ana) announced they will be doing distance learning.
 
2020-07-15 1:46:56 PM  
Let's wear a mask when we're  alone in a video conference call.   That will save your life.......not really, just makes you look like a smug piece of
 
2020-07-15 3:09:57 PM  

Birnone: OC has a lot of Republican types in power. Republicans want to reopen everything. This is why that board is using the idea that children aren't bothered by COVID-19 as their excuse for not mandating masks or distancing. This also why that board doesn't seem to care about the adult school employees. The push to reopen is everything to them. But they don't have the balls to admit it. This is why they say these aren't laws or rules. They are saying what they want to see happen without having to take responsibility for making it happen.


that's super Pro Life of em.
 
2020-07-16 12:21:31 AM  
Can you judge the quality of education by the quality of the school board?
 
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