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2020-07-14 1:24:51 PM  
They sure are reaching to find some bad news as a result of this.
 
2020-07-14 3:25:42 PM  
Their quotas were reduced.  BFD.
 
2020-07-14 8:36:57 PM  
Maybe they're sad because people stopped liking violent thugs in uniform.

Americans are so fickle.
 
2020-07-14 8:36:59 PM  
"Oh, you think we're doing a bad job? Then we're going to do an even worse job. That will stop the idea that you're wasting money by paying us."
 
2020-07-14 8:38:35 PM  
Less stop and frisk?

That is good news, not bad.

Sometimes bad guys get away when you have to respect their rights.  Solve it by making sure they don't get their hands on a gun to begin with.
 
2020-07-14 8:39:38 PM  
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WTF is this?  *dying*
 
2020-07-14 8:40:42 PM  
Too lazy to rtfa, and I assume it wouldn't address it anyway, but is there a change in crimes reported? Traffic accidents or fatalities? Any meaningful change in a metric to show that society is worse off now that they are backing off?
 
2020-07-14 8:41:13 PM  
It's cheaper to outsource the murders to the gang-bangers than to pay the cops for it?
 
2020-07-14 8:42:09 PM  
Could the reduction in stops be causing more gun violence, or an explosion in gun violence?
FreeBeacon is just asking questions.
 
2020-07-14 8:44:01 PM  
The cops, at the behest of their fascist union, are engaging in a slowdown to turn up the heat on their "civilian" bosses.  They are letting people be raped and murdered and robbed so they can swing their dick around.  ACAB
 
2020-07-14 8:44:14 PM  
Man, screw anyone who tries to spin "less police overreach = more shootings."  Things are awful right now in no small part because of the police.  People have no money and our government is being assholes about literally everything.  People are poor and angry.  People are gonna get shot.  Enough of this "broken windows" bullshiat.
 
2020-07-14 8:45:49 PM  
No more "your tail light is out" probable cause pot busts?  Allow me to whip up a response

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2020-07-14 8:46:55 PM  
Do you know why I didn't stop you?
 
2020-07-14 8:47:49 PM  
Wow, they finally stopped all the speeders!

Incredible.
 
2020-07-14 8:53:42 PM  
Article claims gun violence is WAAAAY UP now that the cops are stopping people less...  without citing any statistics.  And keeps dropping the line that searches are "thought" to reduce gun violence.

Are they?  Really?  Have you got any data about that you want to show us? No??? I farking wonder why.

Put some farking graphs up before picking two trends in the entire city and claiming correlation = causation without even having the balls to show us.
 
2020-07-14 8:57:24 PM  

BlastYoBoots: Article claims gun violence is WAAAAY UP now that the cops are stopping people less...  without citing any statistics.  And keeps dropping the line that searches are "thought" to reduce gun violence.

Are they?  Really?  Have you got any data about that you want to show us? No??? I farking wonder why.

Put some farking graphs up before picking two trends in the entire city and claiming correlation = causation without even having the balls to show us.


nope. cops just like having a convenient open excuse to search any and everyone without cause. same reason they're so keen to keep the drug war going.
 
2020-07-14 8:57:40 PM  
Look out!  That Australian woman who could be Olivia Newton John!!  BANG BANG.
 
2020-07-14 9:02:11 PM  
It's no fun when you can't kill people anymore.
 
2020-07-14 9:02:50 PM  
Whatever will happen as the city descends into anarchy when somebody is thought to have passed a fake $20 bill at the convenience store? I mean, without extrajudicial executions of (suspected) petty scofflaws, how will society ever be able to function?
 
2020-07-14 9:04:51 PM  

Iggie: [Fark user image image 355x303]

WTF is this?  *dying*


Squeegee bait for a Trumpkin circle jerk.
 
2020-07-14 9:04:57 PM  
Cops are such goddamned entitled, whiny pussies. Most of 'em wouldn't last a day in a real job without pulling a gun on a customer for complaining.
 
2020-07-14 9:06:52 PM  

LesserEvil: Whatever will happen as the city descends into anarchy when somebody is thought to have passed a fake $20 bill at the convenience store? I mean, without extrajudicial executions of (suspected) petty scofflaws, how will society ever be able to function?


You have to take into account the victim's criminal's past behavior, that the cops had no way of knowing at the time, too. But don't look at the cops' histories; if you don't assume that cops are farking perfect paragons of humanity, you basically want complete anarchy.
 
2020-07-14 9:07:50 PM  
"might contribute to, explosion of gun violence"!

Might?  Defund metro police departments, issue stand down orders and generally reign in police then wonder why children are getting murdered. George Floyd's murderer is in jail and should die there but many other police have been killed in addition to these children. There is no "might" about it!

"Major U.S. cities, gripped with crisis, now face spike in deadly shootings, including of children"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation​a​l/america-spike-gun-violence/2020/07/0​6/15508ac8-bfa0-11ea-9fdd-b7ac6b051dc8​_story.html

Wake TF up
 
2020-07-14 9:09:50 PM  

INTERTRON: Less stop and frisk?

That is good news, not bad.

Sometimes bad guys get away when you have to respect their rights.  Solve it by making sure they don't get their hands on a gun to begin with.


You mean do actual police work, instead of just bullying people based on hunches and/or racism?

As if.
 
2020-07-14 9:11:00 PM  
Cops are children. If they are unable or unwilling to do your job, you should get fired.
 
2020-07-14 9:11:48 PM  

KCinPA: "might contribute to, explosion of gun violence"!

Might?  Defund metro police departments, issue stand down orders and generally reign in police then wonder why children are getting murdered. George Floyd's murderer is in jail and should die there but many other police have been killed in addition to these children. There is no "might" about it!

"Major U.S. cities, gripped with crisis, now face spike in deadly shootings, including of children"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nationa​l/america-spike-gun-violence/2020/07/0​6/15508ac8-bfa0-11ea-9fdd-b7ac6b051dc8​_story.html

Wake TF up


So according to you, it's either allow the police to murder over 1,000 people every year for specious reasons and act as occupying soldiers, or many more will die from gun violence?
 
2020-07-14 9:13:02 PM  

KCinPA: "might contribute to, explosion of gun violence"!

Might?  Defund metro police departments, issue stand down orders and generally reign in police then wonder why children are getting murdered. George Floyd's murderer is in jail and should die there but many other police have been killed in addition to these children. There is no "might" about it!

"Major U.S. cities, gripped with crisis, now face spike in deadly shootings, including of children"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nationa​l/america-spike-gun-violence/2020/07/0​6/15508ac8-bfa0-11ea-9fdd-b7ac6b051dc8​_story.html

Wake TF up


And yet other countries manage to control crime without Gestapo-inspired bullshiat traffic stops.

Its almost as if there are other and better ways to police.
 
2020-07-14 9:14:15 PM  

CrazedAndBemused: The cops, at the behest of their fascist union, are engaging in a slowdown to turn up the heat on their "civilian" bosses.  They are letting people be raped and murdered and robbed so they can swing their dick around.  ACAB


Ehhh, maybe a slowdown's for the best. When they've done that in the past, crime has gone down during the slowdown.
 
2020-07-14 9:15:58 PM  

INTERTRON: Less stop and frisk?

That is good news, not bad.

Sometimes bad guys get away when you have to respect their rights.  Solve it by making sure they don't get their hands on a gun to begin with.


That's one of the issues with policing in America that hasn't been talked about much. We have a heavily armed populace. The police are terrified of the populace because everyone has guns, dangerous felons and Joe Blow too, who can also be unpredictable and dangerous. The culture of policing has taken on this war maker attitude that "I am going home safe, no matter what." Which isn't an unreasonable stand to take for a dangerous job. But it leads to a culture and mentality that is at war with the people it's policing, and use of force policies that don't make sense to those of us being policed, especially if you're black or brown. Add in all the conscious and unconscious racial bias, and the fact that damn near everyone has guns, and you have yourself some hard problems to solve.
I'm pretty farking liberal, but we need police. When I hear gun shots, I sure as hell am not going to be running TOWARDS them. The farking cowboys in the police departments have to, and they will. We need those god damn cowboys to handle some rough shiat.

I'm really not sure how you get a handle on the fact that guns are everywhere in the US, or the racial biases. But there definitely needs to be a shift in the policing mindset and culture, and different training. That's a start.
 
2020-07-14 9:17:11 PM  
Guys unless you let the cops blow off a little steam and beat up or murder a few perps kids will die!!!!
 
2020-07-14 9:23:11 PM  
Or it's summer

People been cooped up under lockdown

Lots of things closed

Lots of people out of work

Fighting mad

I'd wager gun violence is up nationwide
 
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2020-07-14 9:24:04 PM  
Author sounds very concerned.
What's his Fark handle?
 
2020-07-14 9:41:19 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: KCinPA: "might contribute to, explosion of gun violence"!

Might?  Defund metro police departments, issue stand down orders and generally reign in police then wonder why children are getting murdered. George Floyd's murderer is in jail and should die there but many other police have been killed in addition to these children. There is no "might" about it!

"Major U.S. cities, gripped with crisis, now face spike in deadly shootings, including of children"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nationa​l/america-spike-gun-violence/2020/07/0​6/15508ac8-bfa0-11ea-9fdd-b7ac6b051dc8​_story.html

Wake TF up

So according to you, it's either allow the police to murder over 1,000 people every year for specious reasons and act as occupying soldiers, or many more will die from gun violence?


1000 "murders"? Show us your facts that these 1000 cases were legitimate murder cases.

"The overwhelming majority of people killed are armed. Nearly half of all people fatally shot by police are white. Most of these shootings draw little or no attention beyond a news story."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/invest​i​gations/protests-spread-over-police-sh​ootings-police-promised-reforms-every-​year-they-still-shoot-nearly-1000-peop​le/2020/06/08/5c204f0c-a67c-11ea-b473-​04905b1af82b_story.html

"Since 2015, 70 percent of the 5,400 people fatally shot by police were armed with a knife or a gun, according to The Post's database. More than 3,000 of them had guns."

You could've made a legitimate argument with the fact that "shootings of unarmed black people in 2019 increased from nine to 14."   But leading with 1000 "murders" line basically lost you any credibility.
 
2020-07-14 9:49:00 PM  

Crackpipe: INTERTRON: Less stop and frisk?

That is good news, not bad.

Sometimes bad guys get away when you have to respect their rights.  Solve it by making sure they don't get their hands on a gun to begin with.

That's one of the issues with policing in America that hasn't been talked about much. We have a heavily armed populace. The police are terrified of the populace because everyone has guns, dangerous felons and Joe Blow too, who can also be unpredictable and dangerous. The culture of policing has taken on this war maker attitude that "I am going home safe, no matter what." Which isn't an unreasonable stand to take for a dangerous job. But it leads to a culture and mentality that is at war with the people it's policing, and use of force policies that don't make sense to those of us being policed, especially if you're black or brown. Add in all the conscious and unconscious racial bias, and the fact that damn near everyone has guns, and you have yourself some hard problems to solve.
I'm pretty farking liberal, but we need police. When I hear gun shots, I sure as hell am not going to be running TOWARDS them. The farking cowboys in the police departments have to, and they will. We need those god damn cowboys to handle some rough shiat.

I'm really not sure how you get a handle on the fact that guns are everywhere in the US, or the racial biases. But there definitely needs to be a shift in the policing mindset and culture, and different training. That's a start.


The police have been trained to kill over the past couple decades and that is part of the problem. Look up "killology" and you'll see part of it.

Add in illegal searches, torture centers, civil forfeiture, and stuff like in Ferguson where handing out petty tickets kept the city running... Plus 10 cops involved in killing a guy in Baltimore that didn't even break a single law and they all got away with it...

The rift is so vast. I hate criminals. They make life shiatty for the rest of us. But the cops have gotten progressively worse, to the point where some people would rather deal with petty crime, or even a greater risk of more severe crime, to end the constant abuse from the police.

We need police, certainly. I agree that some of the ideas are way over the top, like have these people never met or dealt with criminals? But not one civilian cop in the US should be driving an APC, or pointing a shotgun at protestors. And not one cop should be allowed to stay on the force that kills someone without good reason. 10 cops in Baltimore were involved in some way in the death of an innocent man... They all got away with murder.
 
2020-07-14 9:55:09 PM  
What's the argument here, that before they were randomly stopping vehicles for ticky-tack stuff and just happened to apprehend people on their way to commit gun violence?
 
2020-07-14 9:55:52 PM  
You have record unemployment, people cooped up for months on end, and everyone's wearing a mask and it's BLM that's causing the nationwide crime spike? F outta here with that S
 
2020-07-14 10:00:41 PM  

Crackpipe: INTERTRON: Less stop and frisk?

That is good news, not bad.

Sometimes bad guys get away when you have to respect their rights.  Solve it by making sure they don't get their hands on a gun to begin with.

That's one of the issues with policing in America that hasn't been talked about much. We have a heavily armed populace. The police are terrified of the populace because everyone has guns, dangerous felons and Joe Blow too, who can also be unpredictable and dangerous. The culture of policing has taken on this war maker attitude that "I am going home safe, no matter what." Which isn't an unreasonable stand to take for a dangerous job. But it leads to a culture and mentality that is at war with the people it's policing, and use of force policies that don't make sense to those of us being policed, especially if you're black or brown. Add in all the conscious and unconscious racial bias, and the fact that damn near everyone has guns, and you have yourself some hard problems to solve.
I'm pretty farking liberal, but we need police. When I hear gun shots, I sure as hell am not going to be running TOWARDS them. The farking cowboys in the police departments have to, and they will. We need those god damn cowboys to handle some rough shiat.

I'm really not sure how you get a handle on the fact that guns are everywhere in the US, or the racial biases. But there definitely needs to be a shift in the policing mindset and culture, and different training. That's a start.


Nowhere near 'everyone' has a gun.  Most people that own a gun have several.
 
2020-07-14 10:08:53 PM  
"We'll show you how much you need us by not needlessly bullying, assaulting, and murdering the people we interact with"

Sure champ, I'm sure that'll work out swell for you guys.
 
2020-07-14 10:16:16 PM  
It's no fun anymore 😢😢😢
 
2020-07-14 10:17:45 PM  

Murkanen: "We'll show you how much you need us by not needlessly bullying, assaulting, and murdering the people we interact with"

Sure champ, I'm sure that'll work out swell for you guys.


The hilarious thing about the cops threatening to "not show up" when called... that's already the reality for some people.  Lord knows if you're middle class and have reported a break in or theft, it's the assumption.
 
2020-07-14 10:19:55 PM  

CrazedAndBemused: The cops, at the behest of their fascist union, are engaging in a slowdown to turn up the heat on their "civilian" bosses.  They are letting people be raped and murdered and robbed so they can swing their dick around.  ACAB


Except for the fact that the cops are doing most of the raping, murdering, and robbing these days.
 
2020-07-14 10:21:03 PM  

caution: Could the reduction in stops be causing more gun violence, or an explosion in gun violence?
FreeBeacon is just asking questions.


How many illegal guns were confiscated previously due to stops?  If they presented meaningful data, I'd like to be informed.  Hell, I could even be convinced.

Gun violence is up everywhere (NYC).  Mpls has a fully funded police department, & gun violence still goes up.  Other than small weekend protests (some Oromo singer was killed in Ethiopia), there are no mass protests stretching police resources.

TFA sucks with no quantitative data.  Just as meaningful to claim Derek Chauvin personally stopped gun violence & gun violence is up because that 1 man was fired.
 
2020-07-14 10:41:17 PM  
Police in many places generate revenue. The prison system certainly does. That leads to a vicious cycle of the state extorting poor people. Which makes them desperate and turn to ways to make money off the books. Which leads to a need for personal security not involving police. Which leads to shootings.
Patrols don't work to stop this process.

The more-common aspects of the standard police response-specifically, the random patrol and arrest functions-are unlikely to contribute to substantial reductions in crimes committed with guns. The weakness of the standard policing model for reducing crime was evident in the mid-1970s...
 
2020-07-14 10:41:43 PM  

Boondock3806: Too lazy to rtfa, and I assume it wouldn't address it anyway, but is there a change in crimes reported? Traffic accidents or fatalities? Any meaningful change in a metric to show that society is worse off now that they are backing off?


Yep, shootings and killings have more than doubled.
 
2020-07-14 11:18:05 PM  

haknudsen: Nowhere near 'everyone' has a gun.  Most people that own a gun have several.


My favorite example of this is LockPickingLawyer, who runs a great channel which has nothing to do with guns & yet by my count has

Sig Sauer P229
AR-15
Smith & Wesson M&P 45
A Glock that appears to maybe be .40?
A 1911
Ruger Mk III 2245
S&W 9mm
S&W 642

I think that's all in the last year. I can see he has a bolt action, another AR-15, & a few others
 
2020-07-14 11:21:25 PM  

nijika: Murkanen: "We'll show you how much you need us by not needlessly bullying, assaulting, and murdering the people we interact with"

Sure champ, I'm sure that'll work out swell for you guys.

The hilarious thing about the cops threatening to "not show up" when called... that's already the reality for some people.  Lord knows if you're middle class and have reported a break in or theft, it's the assumption.


A friend posted about this on Facebook the other day, about a situation where the cops just ... didn't come.  And dozens of people commented with their own stories.  

So not only are cops just going around murdering whatever Black people they want and "losing" rape kits left and right, they're also refusing to do their actual jobs.

Why do we keep them around, again?
 
2020-07-15 12:07:58 AM  
And the world was a better place.
 
2020-07-15 12:51:41 AM  

haknudsen: Crackpipe: INTERTRON: Less stop and frisk?

That is good news, not bad.

Sometimes bad guys get away when you have to respect their rights.  Solve it by making sure they don't get their hands on a gun to begin with.

That's one of the issues with policing in America that hasn't been talked about much. We have a heavily armed populace. The police are terrified of the populace because everyone has guns, dangerous felons and Joe Blow too, who can also be unpredictable and dangerous. The culture of policing has taken on this war maker attitude that "I am going home safe, no matter what." Which isn't an unreasonable stand to take for a dangerous job. But it leads to a culture and mentality that is at war with the people it's policing, and use of force policies that don't make sense to those of us being policed, especially if you're black or brown. Add in all the conscious and unconscious racial bias, and the fact that damn near everyone has guns, and you have yourself some hard problems to solve.
I'm pretty farking liberal, but we need police. When I hear gun shots, I sure as hell am not going to be running TOWARDS them. The farking cowboys in the police departments have to, and they will. We need those god damn cowboys to handle some rough shiat.

I'm really not sure how you get a handle on the fact that guns are everywhere in the US, or the racial biases. But there definitely needs to be a shift in the policing mindset and culture, and different training. That's a start.

Nowhere near 'everyone' has a gun.  Most people that own a gun have several.


Yeah, that's great.  I'm thinking (as backlash against riots) there will be more stand-your-ground states.  Any idea what SYG law did for violent crime in FL?  I'm honestly curious.
 
2020-07-15 1:25:28 AM  

Iggie: [Fark user image 355x303]

WTF is this?  *dying*


That's how you know the site is trustworthy.
 
2020-07-15 1:38:06 AM  

KCinPA: "might contribute to, explosion of gun violence"!

Might?  Defund metro police departments, issue stand down orders and generally reign in police then wonder why children are getting murdered. George Floyd's murderer is in jail and should die there but many other police have been killed in addition to these children. There is no "might" about it!

"Major U.S. cities, gripped with crisis, now face spike in deadly shootings, including of children"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nationa​l/america-spike-gun-violence/2020/07/0​6/15508ac8-bfa0-11ea-9fdd-b7ac6b051dc8​_story.html

Wake TF up


We're facing a homelessness and employment crisis unrivaled in American history caused by a pandemic that legit shut the entire world down, a round 2 on the dust bowl, racial protests on a scale not seen for 70 years, class warfare arguably worse than its ever been, and a federal government hell-bent on wrecking the country for good, all of which is set to a background buzz of murder hornets and complete with a constant, looming threat of our president getting mad that the chinese are putting sawdust in his hamberders and starting world war 3.

But yeah, I'm sure it's the cops beating fewer people that is causing the a in tension and crime.
 
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