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(WKBW Buffalo)   According to the poll's data, by 70-22 percent, New Yorkers prefer the government's priority be containing the spread of COVID-19, even if it hurts the economy. Maybe some people are listening after all   (wkbw.com) divider line
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2020-07-13 11:30:47 PM  
Unless the government enacts martial law and we go total authoritarian, we're too far beyond the point of containment.

Should just work to balance economic impact and viral impact at this point, such as making ppe mandatory along with new guidelines on how businesses must operate. Maybe even let businesses enact temporary pandemic fees so they can cover their cleaning supplies.

Total lockdown will lead to cascading economic failures and a rubberband effect as impacted citizens stop listening to government.
 
2020-07-13 11:31:26 PM  
When they say "f*ck you, buddy", they really just want to maintain social distancing and are looking out for you.
 
2020-07-13 11:33:20 PM  
New Yorkers have brains.

Red-state Republicans? No so much.
 
2020-07-13 11:37:13 PM  

Dadoody: Unless the government enacts martial law and we go total authoritarian, we're too far beyond the point of containment.

Should just work to balance economic impact and viral impact at this point, such as making ppe mandatory along with new guidelines on how businesses must operate. Maybe even let businesses enact temporary pandemic fees so they can cover their cleaning supplies.

Total lockdown will lead to cascading economic failures and a rubberband effect as impacted citizens stop listening to government.


PPE??  What is that?

I'd actually be ok if the goverment clamped down saying "fark you guys, wear masks to keep your farking droplets to yourselves, no medical grade shiat for you.  Our healthcare workers need them ASAP."

I would have been ok if we actually utilized the Defense Production Act to make manufacturers start cranking out PPE 3 months ago, but that ship has sailed.  We used it to defend our meat production instead.
 
2020-07-13 11:37:36 PM  

WalkingSedgwick: New Yorkers have brains.


With one notable exception.
 
2020-07-13 11:38:03 PM  

Dadoody: Unless the government enacts martial law and we go total authoritarian, we're too far beyond the point of containment.

Should just work to balance economic impact and viral impact at this point, such as making ppe mandatory along with new guidelines on how businesses must operate. Maybe even let businesses enact temporary pandemic fees so they can cover their cleaning supplies.

Total lockdown will lead to cascading economic failures and a rubberband effect as impacted citizens stop listening to government.


Or we could have a functioning social safety net, wherein the federal government would take the appropriate measures at any financial expense to protect their citizens and mitigate economic collapse.  Lol nah, it's the economy, stupid!  Have we done a corporate tax cut this quarter?
 
2020-07-13 11:39:20 PM  

WalkingSedgwick: New Yorkers have brains.

Red-state Republicans? No so much.


Gonna be fun if New York #s tick back up after the lockdown ends
 
2020-07-13 11:39:41 PM  
I just luv the government......
 
2020-07-13 11:42:06 PM  

WalkingSedgwick: New Yorkers have brains.

Red-state Republicans? No so much.


We're going through our first wave idiot. Lockdown was wasted when there were 3 cases in county.
/ now it's over 2000.
 
2020-07-13 11:43:18 PM  

WalkingSedgwick: New Yorkers have brains.

Red-state Republicans? No so much.


Lol. Partisan hack.
 
2020-07-13 11:44:28 PM  

Bob Vagene: When they say "f*ck you, buddy", they really just want to maintain social distancing and are looking out for you.


What social distancing enforcement might look like:

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2020-07-13 11:44:29 PM  
Dadoody:

Total lockdown will lead to cascading economic failures and a rubberband effect as impacted citizens stop listening to government.

Not to mention people going apeshiat on each other as a result. Cabin fever + snitch phone lines + The rise of super Karens = somebody gonna get killed.
 
2020-07-13 11:45:42 PM  
I know it's not going to last forever, but I keep updating the numbers here for my little part of the world.

Manitoba, Canada: population 1.4M including a capital city of 700K (about same as Portland)...

...71.5k tests performed
...325 total cases to date
...7 deaths
...1 active case
... nobody in hospital
... no new cases in 13 days

Wash your hands, wear a mask, and keep your distance. It's not farking rocket surgery.
 
2020-07-13 11:47:24 PM  
It just kills me that so many of our fellow citizens are willing to take medical advice on a life-and-death issue from people like Donald Trump and Chuck Woolery. I mean, one of these guys is a slobbering, flatulent, washed-up, room-temperature IQed window-licking dipshiat C-list celebrity game show host. And the other one is Chuck Woolery.

Get your shiat together, America.
 
2020-07-13 11:49:48 PM  

Dadoody: Unless the government enacts martial law and we go total authoritarian, we're too far beyond the point of containment.

Should just work to balance economic impact and viral impact at this point, such as making ppe mandatory along with new guidelines on how businesses must operate. Maybe even let businesses enact temporary pandemic fees so they can cover their cleaning supplies.

Total lockdown will lead to cascading economic failures and a rubberband effect as impacted citizens stop listening to government.


Yup. We're kind of farked. An incredible number of people have seen their parents for the last time and don't know it, but we just kind of have to give up. Bars can't close, cuz America. Schools have to open because kids are important (hot take, I know).

Maybe we and try to elect people who could plausibly be expected to do a good job next time. Not that it matters anymore.
 
2020-07-13 11:56:00 PM  
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2020-07-14 12:03:21 AM  

slantsix: I know it's not going to last forever, but I keep updating the numbers here for my little part of the world.

Manitoba, Canada: population 1.4M including a capital city of 700K (about same as Portland)...

...71.5k tests performed
...325 total cases to date
...7 deaths
...1 active case
... nobody in hospital
... no new cases in 13 days

Wash your hands, wear a mask, and keep your distance. It's not farking rocket surgery.


I hope it stays that way we closed down with 3 cases and are now over 2000 and adding a hundred a day or more.
 
2020-07-14 12:09:17 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: slantsix: I know it's not going to last forever, but I keep updating the numbers here for my little part of the world.

Manitoba, Canada: population 1.4M including a capital city of 700K (about same as Portland)...

...71.5k tests performed
...325 total cases to date
...7 deaths
...1 active case
... nobody in hospital
... no new cases in 13 days

Wash your hands, wear a mask, and keep your distance. It's not farking rocket surgery.

I hope it stays that way we closed down with 3 cases and are now over 2000 and adding a hundred a day or more.


I really want to say PA  did surprisingly well.  But the shiat's going to spread back up from the south sooner or later.  Those "quarantine advisories" from people coming back from those states meant nothing.
 
2020-07-14 12:18:47 AM  
I know what the poll says, but I don't think it's polling the right people because it's not matching how the public acts.

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2020-07-14 12:24:54 AM  

Mister Buttons: tinfoil-hat maggie: slantsix: I know it's not going to last forever, but I keep updating the numbers here for my little part of the world.

Manitoba, Canada: population 1.4M including a capital city of 700K (about same as Portland)...

...71.5k tests performed
...325 total cases to date
...7 deaths
...1 active case
... nobody in hospital
... no new cases in 13 days

Wash your hands, wear a mask, and keep your distance. It's not farking rocket surgery.

I hope it stays that way we closed down with 3 cases and are now over 2000 and adding a hundred a day or more.

I really want to say PA  did surprisingly well.  But the shiat's going to spread back up from the south sooner or later.  Those "quarantine advisories" from people coming back from those states meant nothing.


Look some re wearing mask some aren't bars are open for awhile and we'll it's house parties and thus will burn out but it's not done yet.
 
2020-07-14 12:33:12 AM  
Weird, the very first line says

"62 percent of New Yorkers believe the worst of the coronavirus pandemic is yet to come. "

How could that be?

Also I'd like to point out that "the economy." Does not = my livelihood.
 
2020-07-14 12:44:58 AM  

Dadoody: impacted citizens stop listening to government.


Much too late for that.
 
2020-07-14 12:50:52 AM  
I wonder where they polled these people, because I come from a small city in Western New York State and based on the comments in online groups from my city those numbers should be reversed.
 
2020-07-14 12:54:19 AM  

fark'emfeed'emfish: Weird, the very first line says

"62 percent of New Yorkers believe the worst of the coronavirus pandemic is yet to come. "

How could that be?

Also I'd like to point out that "the economy." Does not = my livelihood.


It isn't and that's the problem. As people we're gonna mingle and congregate. Open up and see what happens. We have a mask ordinance now but lol maybe 50% compliance .
 
2020-07-14 1:37:12 AM  

Dadoody: Unless the government enacts martial law and we go total authoritarian, we're too far beyond the point of containment.

Should just work to balance economic impact and viral impact at this point, such as making ppe mandatory along with new guidelines on how businesses must operate. Maybe even let businesses enact temporary pandemic fees so they can cover their cleaning supplies.

Total lockdown will lead to cascading economic failures and a rubberband effect as impacted citizens stop listening to government.


I vote full authoritarian.  We tried Mr nice guy rules.  It didn't work.  Let's try a heaping of ultra fear now.  Make the streets run brown with poop filling all the pants.  Make the entire country smell like SF as everybody simultaneously pees themselves in fear.  If most of the country is in their closet sucking their thumb while rocking back and forth and crying for mommy, they can't be out with the virus.
 
2020-07-14 2:03:44 AM  

way south: I know what the poll says, but I don't think it's polling the right people because it's not matching how the public acts.

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I would tell you why you're getting funnied for this, but why spoil such pure obliviousness?
 
2020-07-14 2:30:12 AM  

fark'emfeed'emfish: Weird, the very first line says

"62 percent of New Yorkers believe the worst of the coronavirus pandemic is yet to come. "

How could that be?

Also I'd like to point out that "the economy." Does not = my livelihood.


Do you not think that the worst is yet to come?

People are wanting to open up now. They say we flattened the curve, now, as we open up, more people are going to get it, but that is just how we get herd immunity.

People really say this. I'm really not making up strawmen. They believe it happens in waves, or that it has a lifecycle where it comes and goes on it's own like a flower bloom. I don't know what happened to education in this country.

If herd immunity is possible, it will start to reduce the spread once 60%-ish of us have natural immunity. Probably infecting no more than 80% total before it mostly disappears.

Right now we are nearing 1%, and our medical system is crying out for mercy. Deaths of many causes mount while hospitals are full. Still not up to 1%. The worst is still much further off.
 
2020-07-14 2:31:33 AM  

Dadoody: Unless the government enacts martial law and we go total authoritarian, we're too far beyond the point of containment.

Should just work to balance economic impact and viral impact at this point, such as making ppe mandatory along with new guidelines on how businesses must operate. Maybe even let businesses enact temporary pandemic fees so they can cover their cleaning supplies.

Total lockdown will lead to cascading economic failures and a rubberband effect as impacted citizens stop listening to government.


March: "Maybe we could have done something last month, but it's too late to do anything now but mitigate the damage".

April: "Maybe we could have done something last month, but it's too late to do anything now but mitigate the damage".

May: "Maybe we could have done something last month, but it's too late to do anything now but mitigate the damage."

June: "Maybe we could have done something last month, but it's too late to do anything now but mitigate the damage."

July: "Maybe we could have done something last month, but it's too late to do anything now but mitigate the damage."
 
2020-07-14 2:31:53 AM  

Mister Buttons: Dadoody: Unless the government enacts martial law and we go total authoritarian, we're too far beyond the point of containment.

Should just work to balance economic impact and viral impact at this point, such as making ppe mandatory along with new guidelines on how businesses must operate. Maybe even let businesses enact temporary pandemic fees so they can cover their cleaning supplies.

Total lockdown will lead to cascading economic failures and a rubberband effect as impacted citizens stop listening to government.

PPE??  What is that?

I'd actually be ok if the goverment clamped down saying "fark you guys, wear masks to keep your farking droplets to yourselves, no medical grade shiat for you.  Our healthcare workers need them ASAP."

I would have been ok if we actually utilized the Defense Production Act to make manufacturers start cranking out PPE 3 months ago, but that ship has sailed.  We used it to defend our meat production instead.


The meat was mostly sold to China as well.
 
2020-07-14 2:33:40 AM  

fanbladesaresharp: Dadoody:

Total lockdown will lead to cascading economic failures and a rubberband effect as impacted citizens stop listening to government.

Not to mention people going apeshiat on each other as a result. Cabin fever + snitch phone lines + The rise of super Karens = somebody gonna get killed.


You mean besides the 138k dead from this plague already?
 
2020-07-14 3:12:12 AM  

pkjun: Dadoody: Unless the government enacts martial law and we go total authoritarian, we're too far beyond the point of containment.

Should just work to balance economic impact and viral impact at this point, such as making ppe mandatory along with new guidelines on how businesses must operate. Maybe even let businesses enact temporary pandemic fees so they can cover their cleaning supplies.

Total lockdown will lead to cascading economic failures and a rubberband effect as impacted citizens stop listening to government.

March: "Maybe we could have done something last month, but it's too late to do anything now but mitigate the damage".

April: "Maybe we could have done something last month, but it's too late to do anything now but mitigate the damage".

May: "Maybe we could have done something last month, but it's too late to do anything now but mitigate the damage."

June: "Maybe we could have done something last month, but it's too late to do anything now but mitigate the damage."

July: "Maybe we could have done something last month, but it's too late to do anything now but mitigate the damage."


This is exactly correct, but unfortunately it is also a great example of sunk cost fallacy. The more they screw up, the less likely they are to change course. To fix their mistakes now would save many many lives, but it would also acknowledge that they already got people killed needlessly. It would cost a lot of money while also highlighting all the money they wasted on their failed plan.

Changing course now is not a gambit many politicians will take easily.
 
2020-07-14 3:29:26 AM  
We need to remain at home until there is a mandatory vaccine.  We need UBI and medicare for all for the duration of the emergency
 
2020-07-14 3:44:48 AM  

MegaLib: We need to remain at home until there is a mandatory vaccine.  We need UBI and medicare for all for the duration of the emergency


Hard truth...

A vaccine may not actually happen. I think it will, but it is a possibility we can't develop one that works. And a good antiviral treatment may be years away and expensive.

Herd immunity the natural way also has no guarantees, and I really don't think society can survive if we aim for that as our goal (unless maybe we try getting herd immunity slowly over a decade or two). This simply hospitalizes too many people, and causes too many health issues for us to go this route.

So, get ready for a wild ride. I really have no idea how it will work out.
 
2020-07-14 4:16:51 AM  

Captain Shaky: MegaLib: We need to remain at home until there is a mandatory vaccine.  We need UBI and medicare for all for the duration of the emergency

Hard truth...

A vaccine may not actually happen. I think it will, but it is a possibility we can't develop one that works. And a good antiviral treatment may be years away and expensive.

Herd immunity the natural way also has no guarantees, and I really don't think society can survive if we aim for that as our goal (unless maybe we try getting herd immunity slowly over a decade or two). This simply hospitalizes too many people, and causes too many health issues for us to go this route.

So, get ready for a wild ride. I really have no idea how it will work out.


(You are responding to a gimmick/troll account that attempts to Own The Libs by posting stupid things it imagines libs all believe and say to each other but do not say in public)
 
2020-07-14 4:43:46 AM  
Now, if you ask the same question across the entire south then you'll get 90% in favor of fark your life. Die for the economy.

Polls do not reflect anything besides what the polling outfit wants them to be
 
2020-07-14 5:13:02 AM  

WalkingSedgwick: New Yorkers have brains.

Red-state Republicans? No so much.


I live in the Syracuse/ Cortland area of NY.

This part is the brainless red state part.
 
2020-07-14 5:24:20 AM  

pkjun: Captain Shaky: MegaLib: We need to remain at home until there is a mandatory vaccine.  We need UBI and medicare for all for the duration of the emergency

Hard truth...

A vaccine may not actually happen. I think it will, but it is a possibility we can't develop one that works. And a good antiviral treatment may be years away and expensive.

Herd immunity the natural way also has no guarantees, and I really don't think society can survive if we aim for that as our goal (unless maybe we try getting herd immunity slowly over a decade or two). This simply hospitalizes too many people, and causes too many health issues for us to go this route.

So, get ready for a wild ride. I really have no idea how it will work out.

(You are responding to a gimmick/troll account that attempts to Own The Libs by posting stupid things it imagines libs all believe and say to each other but do not say in public)


Ah. Thank you.
 
2020-07-14 5:41:54 AM  
I wonder how closely that split correlates with those who still have jobs.
 
2020-07-14 6:21:26 AM  
Some of the 22% are rich people.

Debate over.
 
2020-07-14 6:21:28 AM  

Captain Shaky: Herd immunity the natural way also has no guarantees, and I really don't think society can survive if we aim for that as our goal (unless maybe we try getting herd immunity slowly over a decade or two). This simply hospitalizes too many people, and causes too many health issues for us to go this route.


Herd immunity probably isn't achievable naturally.  Certainly not over a decade, because immunity to many diseases wears off over time.

If it's like SARS 1.0, and does grant immunity, which lasts for roughly 2 years, well, we're 4 months into it in the US, and with heavy mitigation to prevent ICU overrun and *still* over 130k dead (160k+ when all the excess deaths are counted), we've managed, uh, 1% of the population confirmed and maybe 10% of the population in total.  If we keep that up, to reach 70% would take 28 months and kill 1.1 million people - by which time the first 10% would have lost their immunity four months previously and started getting infected again.  And we'd have a society full of people on disability because they can't breathe or have a damaged heart.  Not a great outcome.

But we don't know that it grants immunity, and studies are showing people lose their antibodies very quickly.  If you had a mild case they're gone in a couple months.  That's not the only component to an immune response but it's worrying, and if it's true, it means herd immunity is flat out unachievable without a vaccine, and the vaccine has to be *better* than natural exposure, which will probably lengthen development time if it's possible at all.

Our best option is a short but *extremely* sharp elimination effort.  One that makes the March/April lockdown look like a block party.  But the Flu Klux Klan will never go for it, and neither will the current leadership.
 
2020-07-14 6:48:16 AM  

WalkingSedgwick: New Yorkers have brains.

Red-state Republicans? No so much.


You obviously don't live here... There are tons of large gatherings with absolutely no masks... I don't know who they polled, but their data is either fabricated, or people just told them what they thought was the right answer; it certainly doesn't reflect their behavior...
 
2020-07-14 6:50:48 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: WalkingSedgwick: New Yorkers have brains.

Red-state Republicans? No so much.

Gonna be fun if New York #s tick back up after the lockdown ends


Lockdown ended over 4 weeks ago and out infection rate is flat.

https://forward.ny.gov/covid-19-regio​n​al-metrics-dashboard
 
2020-07-14 6:58:56 AM  

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freedom doesn't absolve one of consequences.  In fact that is why it doesn't work in the US, people are incapable of taking responsibility.

They should quit teaching these core American values except that it must be necessary in order to maintain total control?
 
2020-07-14 7:45:42 AM  
Subby, what part of "over 70 percent of Americans in general have NO STAKE in the economy anyway, other than the hand-to-mouth subsistence it allows them" didn't you get?

"Hurting the economy" at this point means the one thing that no politician can abide, on either side of the aisle:  the Rich will get Slightly Poorer.  The rest of us are just about as poor as it's going to get without becoming homeless, already.  Exactly the way they've always wanted it.
 
2020-07-14 7:47:48 AM  
I live in NJ. I've noticed my Facebook feed has gone from our Governors (NY & NJ) are fascists to I'm going to kill people who cause us to lock down again.
 
2020-07-14 8:20:25 AM  
When there's a pandemic, the only way to fix the economy is to reduce infections.
 
2020-07-14 8:22:43 AM  

WalkingSedgwick: New Yorkers have brains.

Red-state Republicans? No so much.


AOC and diBlasio..................
 
2020-07-14 8:51:49 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: WalkingSedgwick: New Yorkers have brains.

Red-state Republicans? No so much.

Gonna be fun if New York #s tick back up after the lockdown ends


Which is why we only went to phase one of reopening.


Our numbers are stabilized, and until they go down more, we will not enter the next phase...
 
2020-07-14 8:56:24 AM  

Captain Shaky: MegaLib: We need to remain at home until there is a mandatory vaccine.  We need UBI and medicare for all for the duration of the emergency

Hard truth...

A vaccine may not actually happen. I think it will, but it is a possibility we can't develop one that works. And a good antiviral treatment may be years away and expensive.

Herd immunity the natural way also has no guarantees, and I really don't think society can survive if we aim for that as our goal (unless maybe we try getting herd immunity slowly over a decade or two). This simply hospitalizes too many people, and causes too many health issues for us to go this route.

So, get ready for a wild ride. I really have no idea how it will work out.


I'm much more confident in a vaccine being released, but more in line with the Flu Vaccine which provides targeted immunity and is not a guarantee.

Lets be honest, the much worst variant of this virus is almost certainly out there, given the obscenely wide spread and conditions it is thriving under.

What nobody seems to understand is this very well may be a permanent concern.
 
2020-07-14 9:19:12 AM  
If staying home collecting unemployment pays better than actually working for a living...then have at !!
 
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