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(Car and Driver)   Always wanted a Jeep but with even worse gas mileage? Well, Chrysler has the answer for you. Goes 0 to flippedy in under five seconds. You wouldn't understand. It's a Jeep thing   (caranddriver.com) divider line
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2020-07-13 4:46:11 PM  
I believe the term is overkill.
But they haven't made a good Jeep since 1986.
 
2020-07-13 4:54:48 PM  
Why didn't they just put a HellCrate in it like they do everything else?
 
2020-07-13 5:16:22 PM  
So I just looked it up. They have increased the weight by over 1000 pounds over the CJ-7. That weighed around 2700 pounds, now the Wrangler weighs about 4000 pounds. That's more than my old Fifth Avenue.
That's a Chrysler for you.
 
2020-07-13 5:28:13 PM  
I would be happy if they would just put a tow package or something on them...for, say, 1000 extra pounds (it's 3500 right now).
 
2020-07-13 5:35:30 PM  
I thought Chrysler sold Jeep to Fiat?
 
2020-07-13 5:40:43 PM  

mainsail: I thought Chrysler sold Jeep to Fiat?


All of Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep is owned by Fiat
 
2020-07-13 5:43:46 PM  

GardenWeasel: mainsail: I thought Chrysler sold Jeep to Fiat?

All of Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep is owned by Fiat


Ah. Thanks. Confirms that all the gravel eventually makes its way to the bottom.
 
2020-07-13 6:02:25 PM  
Of course you guys don't understand
 
2020-07-13 6:34:36 PM  
Thank you, but I'll take my 450HP and 450 ft lbs of torque in a more civilized, but still brutally quick mode of transportation:

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Sabine Schmitz in Cayenne
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This one shows to be 500HP for some reason.. Maybe it was tweaked.  Sorry for the stomach-churning camera motion.
 
2020-07-13 6:41:13 PM  
I bet it drives like a pig.
 
2020-07-13 7:15:33 PM  
Even if you buy this thing, you still aren't going get a Jeep Wave from the guy in the CJ/YJ/TJ.
 
2020-07-13 7:34:22 PM  
I already have a jeep with worse gas mileage.
 
2020-07-13 7:39:18 PM  
For a few years, I had an '87 Subaru station wagon. The gas mileage was in the low 20s, but up here in the mountains I could just throw it into 4L and practically climb a tree. It was loud and uncomfortable, but for going out into the woods, it was fantastic. Jeep is the same way. They're a blast if you actually get out and do things with it besides commuting from your work to your job and back every day. Then the weekend comes and you're too tired to get out and use it like it was intended.

I wish I had the money to have a commuter car and a "just for gits and shiggles" car.

But a lot of the weekends are going to be used getting that Jeep to a dealership to get suspension repairs.
 
2020-07-13 7:46:28 PM  
Just the vehicle I need when I want to take the whole family on the race track and flip the car
 
2020-07-13 7:53:22 PM  

kkinnison: Just the vehicle I need when I want to take the whole family on the race track and flip the car


See if you can raise the payout on grandma's life policy before you go.
 
2020-07-13 8:07:56 PM  
I would buy this in a second if I had the cash. Or just take a Rubicon and put an LS motor in it. There is just something fundimentaly cool about V8 powered Wranglers...
 
2020-07-13 8:43:16 PM  
So how long until the engine catches fire like on the Hellcat?

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https://jalopnik.com/dodge-hellcats-r​e​called-for-spraying-oil-fire-179838902​5
 
2020-07-13 8:46:39 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: I bet it drives like a pig.


True, but it's kind of a trade off. You want on road handling or off road handling. It's hard to find anything that's both.
 
2020-07-13 8:48:13 PM  
Because who wouldn't want to flip their $60,000+ overweight, overpowered, pig.
 
2020-07-13 8:49:42 PM  

cretinbob: I believe the term is overkill.
But they haven't made a good Jeep since 1986.


My sister and Bro-in-law would disagree. They just bought a Gladiator a few months ago. They love it. And yes, it actually goes off-road and gets dirty once in a while.
 
2020-07-13 8:56:09 PM  

UncleDirtNap: Tr0mBoNe: I bet it drives like a pig.

True, but it's kind of a trade off. You want on road handling or off road handling. It's hard to find anything that's both.


BMW R1250GS does both. And does both very well thank you very much.
 
2020-07-13 9:05:37 PM  

cretinbob: I believe the term is overkill.
But they haven't made a good Jeep since 1986.


Kind of with you there, but I still like the pre-Benz takeover models as well.

I myself still miss my '93 Cherokee.  Drove it until the wheels fell off.  Twice.  And the driver's side floorboard had to be replaced with a washer lid.

/ I might be a bit of a redneck, no matter how I try to deny it.
 
2020-07-13 9:15:30 PM  

Alien Robot: UncleDirtNap: Tr0mBoNe: I bet it drives like a pig.

True, but it's kind of a trade off. You want on road handling or off road handling. It's hard to find anything that's both.

BMW R1250GS does both. And does both very well thank you very much.


Well yea, it's a motorcycle and a BMW.
 
2020-07-13 9:31:45 PM  
Fiat trying to stay out ahead of the new Bronco...good luck Jeep.

/ my 2000 TJ with its self igniting wiring harnesses, self uninstalling throwout bearing, clutch linkage random disconnection feature (better keep some zip ties on board bro),  frame made from recycled International Scout rust particles, and self lightening pistons made sure I'll never own another Jeep or any other Chyntsler product. JUNK!...it's a Jeep thing I guess..
 
2020-07-13 9:38:42 PM  
Will this amount of power (and extra weight) accelerate the Wrangler's death wobble issues?
 
2020-07-13 9:47:39 PM  
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If actual "don't care if I get mud inside and scratches on the exterior" off-road capabilities are what you're looking for, consider a repurposed Pinzgauer.

This example went for $23k on Bring a Trailer.

Most of them are decommissioned Swiss and Austrian military vehicles with fewer than 50k kilometers, and meticulously maintained.

They won't go 0-60 in under 5 seconds, but that's the whole point.
 
2020-07-13 10:28:28 PM  
I think that's nifty. Fark the hatahs.
 
2020-07-14 12:31:37 AM  
That would make my life so much better. Where do I sign?

/would not make my life better
 
2020-07-14 1:07:12 AM  

markie_farkie: [Fark user image 425x318]

If actual "don't care if I get mud inside and scratches on the exterior" off-road capabilities are what you're looking for, consider a repurposed Pinzgauer.

This example went for $23k on Bring a Trailer.

Most of them are decommissioned Swiss and Austrian military vehicles with fewer than 50k kilometers, and meticulously maintained.

They won't go 0-60 in under 5 seconds, but that's the whole point.


Ooh! That gives me the tingles. I'd LOVE something like that.
 
2020-07-14 3:00:51 AM  

Snargi: cretinbob: I believe the term is overkill.
But they haven't made a good Jeep since 1986.

My sister and Bro-in-law would disagree. They just bought a Gladiator a few months ago. They love it. And yes, it actually goes off-road and gets dirty once in a while.


I bought a 2020 Gladiator a couple of weeks ago, and I love it as well.
 
2020-07-14 3:57:05 AM  

BunkyBrewman: Of course you guys don't understand


Yeah, when I saw the weight increase I did. I just didn't express it.
 
2020-07-14 3:59:15 AM  

markie_farkie: [Fark user image 425x318]

If actual "don't care if I get mud inside and scratches on the exterior" off-road capabilities are what you're looking for, consider a repurposed Pinzgauer.

This example went for $23k on Bring a Trailer.

Most of them are decommissioned Swiss and Austrian military vehicles with fewer than 50k kilometers, and meticulously maintained.

They won't go 0-60 in under 5 seconds, but that's the whole point.


Now that's nice.
 
2020-07-14 4:15:06 AM  

cretinbob: markie_farkie: [Fark user image 425x318]

If actual "don't care if I get mud inside and scratches on the exterior" off-road capabilities are what you're looking for, consider a repurposed Pinzgauer.

This example went for $23k on Bring a Trailer.

Most of them are decommissioned Swiss and Austrian military vehicles with fewer than 50k kilometers, and meticulously maintained.

They won't go 0-60 in under 5 seconds, but that's the whole point.

Now that's nice.


That one is only the 4x4 version. They also come in 6x6.
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2020-07-14 4:17:12 AM  
And an optional second story

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2020-07-14 5:54:08 AM  

strathcona: Snargi: cretinbob: I believe the term is overkill.
But they haven't made a good Jeep since 1986.

My sister and Bro-in-law would disagree. They just bought a Gladiator a few months ago. They love it. And yes, it actually goes off-road and gets dirty once in a while.

I bought a 2020 Gladiator a couple of weeks ago, and I love it as well.


Ditto. It's awesome!
 
2020-07-14 6:31:38 AM  

amigafin: strathcona: Snargi: cretinbob: I believe the term is overkill.
But they haven't made a good Jeep since 1986.

My sister and Bro-in-law would disagree. They just bought a Gladiator a few months ago. They love it. And yes, it actually goes off-road and gets dirty once in a while.

I bought a 2020 Gladiator a couple of weeks ago, and I love it as well.

Ditto. It's awesome!


Going in next week for new rims and tires.  Twenty inch rims and 35 inch tires.  Even with stock rims and tires it's not bad off-road.  Had it out getting muddy a couple of times already.
 
2020-07-14 8:18:45 AM  

cretinbob: I believe the term is overkill.
But they haven't made a good Jeep since 1986.


I drove a 99 TJ for 13 years. I enjoyed it a lot. I have some off-road trails around my house.

This vehicle is ridiculous, but the crowning glory of "jeep-has-lost-the-plot" is the Trackhawk
 
2020-07-14 9:08:56 AM  

markie_farkie: Thank you, but I'll take my 450HP and 450 ft lbs of torque in a more civilized, but still brutally quick mode of transportation:

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[static.cargurus.com image 640x480]

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/-J5Wrfng​n0A]

This one shows to be 500HP for some reason.. Maybe it was tweaked.  Sorry for the stomach-churning camera motion.


The furthest that thing is going offroad is in someone's driveway.
 
2020-07-14 9:58:14 AM  

cretinbob: I believe the term is overkill.
But they haven't made a good Jeep since 2006.


FTFY as the TJ was the last good platform as the LJ was the magic wheelbase length
Waiting for the diesel. I would like to see where the powerband is as that much horsepower and torque is wasted if it is all high RPM
 
2020-07-14 9:59:23 AM  

markie_farkie: Thank you, but I'll take my 450HP and 450 ft lbs of torque in a more civilized, but still brutally quick mode of transportation:

[carjunction.com image 850x637]

[static.cargurus.com image 640x480]

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/-J5Wrfng​n0A]

This one shows to be 500HP for some reason.. Maybe it was tweaked.  Sorry for the stomach-churning camera motion.


Only thing faster is how those things devalue but the price on parts is redonkulous.
 
2020-07-14 10:01:46 AM  

Snargi: cretinbob: I believe the term is overkill.
But they haven't made a good Jeep since 1986.

My sister and Bro-in-law would disagree. They just bought a Gladiator a few months ago. They love it. And yes, it actually goes off-road and gets dirty once in a while.


Didn't like them at first but guy across the street got one and it is growing on me. I would be interested if:
- 2 door
- diesel
- short bed (matter of fact no bed provided as I would make it into an overlander)
 
2020-07-14 10:07:02 AM  

markie_farkie: [Fark user image 425x318]

If actual "don't care if I get mud inside and scratches on the exterior" off-road capabilities are what you're looking for, consider a repurposed Pinzgauer.

This example went for $23k on Bring a Trailer.

Most of them are decommissioned Swiss and Austrian military vehicles with fewer than 50k kilometers, and meticulously maintained.

They won't go 0-60 in under 5 seconds, but that's the whole point.


Buddy has one (as well as a Ural bike with side car and 2wd). Definitely interesting and has to figure out his own lines when wheeling since everything is different.
 
2020-07-14 10:41:56 AM  
Jeep says that customers have been asking for a V-8 Wrangler for some time now, and Jim Morrison, the head of Jeep, said that this concept proves it has the ability to make that happen.

So, it's going to have four Doors.
 
2020-07-14 11:02:19 AM  

Dryad: cretinbob: markie_farkie: [Fark user image 425x318]

If actual "don't care if I get mud inside and scratches on the exterior" off-road capabilities are what you're looking for, consider a repurposed Pinzgauer.

This example went for $23k on Bring a Trailer.

Most of them are decommissioned Swiss and Austrian military vehicles with fewer than 50k kilometers, and meticulously maintained.

They won't go 0-60 in under 5 seconds, but that's the whole point.

Now that's nice.

That one is only the 4x4 version. They also come in 6x6.
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I don't know why I think that's better and sexier than a Challenger or Mustang, but I do.
 
2020-07-14 11:22:10 AM  

cretinbob: I believe the term is overkill.
But they haven't made a good Jeep since 1986.


I say 1995, the last year for the YJ's..

SquareHeadlights4Lyfe
 
2020-07-14 11:32:04 AM  
Jeeps need torque for good control of off-roading, so a V-8 engine is theoretically better than a V-6 or I-4. The Chrysler Hemi is not known for a huge amount of low-end torque in naturally-aspirated form, but it's OK.

The thing about torque is you put your Jeep in 4-Low for serious off-roading and that's an easy doubling of engine torque to where an I-4 or V-6 is just fine, as that torque is being doubled (ore more) through the low gear of the transfer case. You literally do not need a V-8 for serious off-roading.
 
2020-07-14 12:07:25 PM  

youre killing independent george: cretinbob: I believe the term is overkill.
But they haven't made a good Jeep since 1986.

I say 1995, the last year for the YJ's..

SquareHeadlights4Lyfe


Peugeot transmission says what? :D
(pulling your leg)

mrmopar5287: Jeeps need torque for good control of off-roading, so a V-8 engine is theoretically better than a V-6 or I-4. The Chrysler Hemi is not known for a huge amount of low-end torque in naturally-aspirated form, but it's OK.

The thing about torque is you put your Jeep in 4-Low for serious off-roading and that's an easy doubling of engine torque to where an I-4 or V-6 is just fine, as that torque is being doubled (ore more) through the low gear of the transfer case. You literally do not need a V-8 for serious off-roading.


In my case 7.2 times
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With independant power to front or rear  :D
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2020-07-14 12:14:36 PM  

rikkards: In my case 7.2 times
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With independant power to front or rear  :D
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There you go. Do you feel you need a V-8 or would that kill the weight balance?
 
2020-07-14 12:28:12 PM  

mrmopar5287: rikkards: In my case 7.2 times
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With independant power to front or rear  :D
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There you go. Do you feel you need a V-8 or would that kill the weight balance?


Need it? definitely not. Only benefit is it would make the front end a little heavier which would be nice in climbing hills, the short wheel base can loosen up the front which if given enough would have it flip backwards. (kind of like this although in this case I knew how much throttle I needed to get up)

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Although if anything the extra torque would over compensate the extra front weight. Usually suckdown winches or a winch in general attached ahead of time would take care of that.
 
2020-07-14 12:29:24 PM  

rikkards: youre killing independent george: cretinbob: I believe the term is overkill.
But they haven't made a good Jeep since 1986.

I say 1995, the last year for the YJ's..

SquareHeadlights4Lyfe

Peugeot transmission says what? :D
(pulling your leg)



LOL
Fortunately, I wait (and waited and waited) until I found the color I wanted with the AX15


mrmopar5287: Jeeps need torque for good control of off-roading, so a V-8 engine is theoretically better than a V-6 or I-4. The Chrysler Hemi is not known for a huge amount of low-end torque in naturally-aspirated form, but it's OK.

The thing about torque is you put your Jeep in 4-Low for serious off-roading and that's an easy doubling of engine torque to where an I-4 or V-6 is just fine, as that torque is being doubled (ore more) through the low gear of the transfer case. You literally do not need a V-8 for serious off-roading.

In my case 7.2 times
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With independant power to front or rear  :D
[imagizer.imageshack.com image 449x600]


Or as Fred Williams from 4Wheel & OffRoad says, Under-Gear, Over-Axle.
Get yourself some STRONG farking axles and then gear WAY down. Doesn't matter if you've got a 4cylinder, at that point. Hell, I've done this with R/C crawlers/trail trucks instead of upgrading the motor  :D
 
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