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(Vox)   Frogs are apparently smarter than humans   (vox.com) divider line
    More: Obvious, Baseline, Shifting baseline, Fisheries science, climate change, time lag, Imperial College London, environmental studies professor, rest of the world  
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2020-07-13 11:19:20 AM  
Old wives' tales die slowly.
Deliberate cult lies even slower.
 
2020-07-13 11:38:41 AM  
No moment of reckoning arrives. The atmosphere becomes progressively more unstable, but it never does so fast enough, dramatically enough, to command the sustained attention of any particular generation of human beings. Instead, it is treated as rising background noise.

That's a good way to put it.

Crisis?  What Crisis? I'm going to buy a big honkin' vehicle and live a wasteful lifestyle.
 
2020-07-13 11:42:20 AM  
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2020-07-13 11:51:05 AM  
Well that's not exactly a high bar to get over right now.
 
2020-07-13 11:55:44 AM  
god dam it people make up your fooking minds already i am tired of this back and forth spin bs on everything.

PICK ONE


"Shifting baselines syndrome" means we could quickly get used to climate chaos.

"Being a highly adaptable life form" means we could quickly get used to climate chaos.


Do we have adaptability as a positive trait  or do we have a syndrome for some kind of negative trait?
 
2020-07-13 12:05:57 PM  
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2020-07-13 12:10:55 PM  
Counterpoint: Pepe.
 
2020-07-13 12:19:07 PM  
If only nature had a way of eliminating large populations of animals.....
 
2020-07-13 1:11:46 PM  
They are able to be frozen without dying. That's pretty smart.
 
2020-07-13 1:23:38 PM  

whidbey: No moment of reckoning arrives. The atmosphere becomes progressively more unstable, but it never does so fast enough, dramatically enough, to command the sustained attention of any particular generation of human beings. Instead, it is treated as rising background noise.

That's a good way to put it.

Crisis?  What Crisis? I'm going to buy a big honkin' vehicle and live a wasteful lifestyle.


A great majority of kids in school now (K-2, secondary, and tertiary education) -- the age I teach -- are at about the theoretical age of my own children, if I'd had them. They seem to take this global climate change thing a lot more seriously than any other demographic group I know of. They understand that they're going to be the ones who have to deal with it in the form of mass migrations and shortages, all the while participating in a global economy that's trying to push them out (I'm looking at you, China).

When I was in school, all we had to worry about was what we were going to major in, or how we were going to finance it, which used to be doable thing -- work part time, study full time. Now they have crushing debt on top of them just to get laughed at in an HR office by some b*tch who went to school when Kennedy was president.

We're leaving a clusterf*ck for our descendants to deal with.
 
2020-07-13 2:09:08 PM  
I've watched this unfold over my lifetime, and all I can say is that ain't nothing going to change. Every step forward is paired with 2 steps back. We're going to make the worst case scenario.

We need mass transit, electric cars, renewable base power, and all these things right now to make it work. We just don't have them and there is no chance of getting there in 10 years because the lead time on these things is about that long. We need "passive houses" that use almost no energy.

We needed to have been working on this through my lifetime and instead the bare minimum has been done, or worse, like the entire fracking boom. That was Obama's "all of the above" policy that caused that - literally the most environmentally dangerous policy of my lifetime.

It makes me angry to think about it. The refusal to wear masks is an easy way to understand this - the refusal to give up fossil fuels of all kinds has been our social, collective response to facing global warming, and that's basically like refusing to wear a mask in a pandemic. The denial even sounds the same.
 
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2020-07-13 5:56:38 PM  
So a species can be too adaptable to change?
 
2020-07-14 1:17:20 AM  
"ut more bluntly: The public may never notice that it's getting warmer."

eyup.

Lived 40 years in the same place. Population has tripled in that time. None of the new residents know what it was like here 30 years ago.
And none cares.

Typical boomer here. I like it when it's warm. 70 F is great sleeping weather. I haven't used  A/C in the last five years, 98 F days and 80 F nights be damned.

Club of Rome determined (1963 ?) that this whole thing was not sustainable.  Population then was about 3 billion.

I think the sustainable population of the earth is about 500 million to  maybe 1 billion humans. Fight me.

By 2100, we are looking at 10 billion. That's 9 billion people that have to die to get to a sustainable ecology.

I won't see it, but some of you, and your children, will see the beginning of it.

God Speed.
 
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