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2020-07-12 4:19:50 PM  
I'm absolutely certain I want to know that I'm wrong.
 
2020-07-12 5:39:21 PM  
Yeah, the word you are looking for is "delusional".
 
2020-07-12 6:46:00 PM  
You'd think it would be interesting when the no-mask crew suddenly sees Trump wearing a mask. But sadly it's predictable - "Masks are great" with no sense of previous stupidity
 
2020-07-12 7:01:20 PM  
Most of the jobs I've had required me to be open to new information. You update your plan of action as you get that information. In aviation, it was absolutely critical. Ignore bad news and you end up on Fark.

It's been tough to be open to new info with COVID. The national leadership (who I should trust but don't), the CDC, and WHO are examples of entities who provide updated information. They seem intent on contradicting themselves and pointing fingers at each other. The only reasonable course of action for Joe Blow is to be as conservative as possible in avoiding the virus.

Most people are not reasonable...
 
2020-07-12 7:32:28 PM  
I don't think this is quite it. The United States is cracking up in a very particular and amazing way . Cognitive dissonance doesn't describe what we're seeing.
 
2020-07-12 8:03:24 PM  
Forehead-Tapping Guy:  You can't have cognitive dissonance if there's no cognitive activity going on.
 
2020-07-12 8:21:02 PM  
The minute we make any decision-I think COVID-19 is serious; no, I'm sure it is a hoax-we begin to justify the wisdom of our choice and find reasons to dismiss the alternative.

Wow, going "both sides" before you even get to the article.  Impressive.
 
2020-07-12 8:25:26 PM  
Sithon is right. The correct term is "delusional."
 
2020-07-12 8:26:22 PM  
This does explain why Trump Republicans are totally OK with Nazis and criminal corruption now.
 
2020-07-12 8:26:49 PM  

Urmuf Hamer: I'm absolutely certain I want to know that I'm wrong.


Yeah , I thought I was wrong once , But I was wrong about that ..
 
2020-07-12 8:28:49 PM  
 
2020-07-12 8:30:34 PM  
Fully paid members of Jim Jones' level death cult.

Farking batshiat fscko bazoo pinheads who are ACTIVELY DENYING REALITY.
 
2020-07-12 8:30:58 PM  

mikalmd: Urmuf Hamer: I'm absolutely certain I want to know that I'm wrong.

Yeah , I thought I was wrong once , But I was wrong about that ..


I used to be conceited but now I'm perfect.
 
2020-07-12 8:31:39 PM  
What, is the Obvious tag quarantined?
 
2020-07-12 8:31:52 PM  
"practice social distancing " is the dumbest phrase ever.  "Stay out of the spittle range" is more instructive, and grounded.

Have you exited work behind a coworker who smokes?  18 feet away, and I'm breathing smoke.  Not from the cig, that smells different.  You can tell by the delay.  A puff generates smoke, but it's sharp and sudden.  Exhaling leaves a slow but distinctive odor.

You're breathing in what I breathed out all day every day.  I guess what I mean is, we might as well have sex now.
 
2020-07-12 8:36:12 PM  

recondite cetacean: "practice social distancing " is the dumbest phrase ever.  "Stay out of the spittle range" is more instructive, and grounded.

Have you exited work behind a coworker who smokes?  18 feet away, and I'm breathing smoke.  Not from the cig, that smells different.  You can tell by the delay.  A puff generates smoke, but it's sharp and sudden.  Exhaling leaves a slow but distinctive odor.

You're breathing in what I breathed out all day every day.  I guess what I mean is, we might as well have sex now.


i'm no expert, but i think smoke covers more ground than droplet exhaled through the mouth and nose. otherwise the experts would be telling us to stay further apart.
 
2020-07-12 8:37:24 PM  
I'm pro mask.  But what's up with the picture?  There's no context.  People still need to take in fluid on a constant basis.  I don't see any masks with straws coming out of them.  Are they mocking this person for drinking a freaking liquid?
 
2020-07-12 8:40:45 PM  
edmo:

Most people are not reasonable...

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2020-07-12 8:46:50 PM  
The problem is the GOP pairs this confidence and faith with absolute cynicism. Or in the case of the MAGAts, nihilism.
 
2020-07-12 8:47:44 PM  
When you like something, it's an opinion
But when I like something, it's a manifesto
Pomposity is when you always think you're right
Arrogance is when you know
 
2020-07-12 8:49:39 PM  

mjjt: You'd think it would be interesting when the no-mask crew suddenly sees Trump wearing a mask. But sadly it's predictable - "Masks are great" with no sense of previous stupidity


If they were capable of detecting or processing how stupid they are, they wouldn't be.

Either "so stupid" or "Trumpists."
 
2020-07-12 8:49:54 PM  

RussianPotato: I'm pro mask.  But what's up with the picture?  There's no context.  People still need to take in fluid on a constant basis.  I don't see any masks with straws coming out of them.  Are they mocking this person for drinking a freaking liquid?


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2020-07-12 8:49:56 PM  
I recall hearing years ago of a study showing that people who made a major purchase such as an automobile spent more time on advertisements for it after the purchase than before because the wanted to convince themselves they made the right decision.

I wonder how many people who believe masks are bad because some leader said so have become conspiracy nuts because such theories contain the only reasoned explanations to avoid masks.
 
2020-07-12 8:51:57 PM  
The minute we make any decision-I think COVID-19 is serious; no, I'm sure it is a hoax-we begin to justify the wisdom of our choice and find reasons to dismiss the alternative.

Fark your BSAB crap. No, I'm will not RTFA that follows. Those 2 positions aren't nearly equivalent and neither are the reasons to dismiss the alternative. See also vaccines save lives vs no, the cause autism and a balanced diet is important to be healthy vs I'll just eat this paste.
 
2020-07-12 8:52:33 PM  

Dodo David: edmo:

Most people are not reasonable...

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2020-07-12 8:52:44 PM  
This is why solid science education at a public school level is vital for protecting a population from a pandemic. The United States used to be a leader in public school science education. Then you cut the budget. Now it's an empire falling apart in real time.
 
2020-07-12 8:53:55 PM  
Cognitive dissonance is a term for the state of discomfort felt when two or more modes of thought contradict each other.

Doublethink is the acceptance of or mental capacity to accept contrary opinions or beliefs at the same time, especially as a result of political indoctrination.

Rightwingers don't feel any pain in having contradictory screwballl notions so they're doing the latter.
 
2020-07-12 8:56:01 PM  

Befuddled: Cognitive dissonance is a term for the state of discomfort felt when two or more modes of thought contradict each other.

Doublethink is the acceptance of or mental capacity to accept contrary opinions or beliefs at the same time, especially as a result of political indoctrination.

Rightwingers don't feel any pain in having contradictory screwballl notions so they're doing the latter.


This isn't a left vs right problem, it's a smart vs dumb problem.
 
2020-07-12 8:56:30 PM  
Imagine if right from the jump the virus killed everyone who contracted it - I'm guessing there would be much lower levels of dissonance.
 
2020-07-12 8:57:33 PM  
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2020-07-12 8:57:40 PM  
So, the far right in any county are complete farking idiots.  Most of us already knew that.
 
2020-07-12 9:00:08 PM  

dylanthomas: Imagine if right from the jump the virus killed everyone who contracted it - I'm guessing there would be much lower levels of dissonance.


If the virus killed everyone it infected it never would've left China.
 
2020-07-12 9:00:17 PM  
That article was literally saying that "because one thing has been shown to sometimes be true under some conditions, it is therefore definitely always true under every set of conditions".

That's... that's not even a logical fallacy they inadvertently slipped into by accident, that's almost word for word the central thesis of the farking article.  Cognitive dissonance is a thing that was shown to sometimes exist under one specific set of conditions involving limited exposure to information, therefore all decisions are equally based on cognitive dissonance and nothing else because no other form of decision-making can possibly exists.  So... BSABSVR, presumedly.

I know, it's the Atlantic, expecting them to hire a writer with an IQ north of room temperature is an LSD-trip level flight of fancy, but could they not have, say, an average five-year-old read what they farking wrote before hitting publish?  This makes me more embarrassed to be a member of the same species as the author than most Trump tweets.
 
2020-07-12 9:03:27 PM  

Armchair_Invective: This does explain why Trump Republicans are totally OK with Nazis and criminal corruption now.


Because it was placed in a nice easily digestible package. Black lives matter is a George soros hate group  ,antifa is
 
2020-07-12 9:03:34 PM  
Behold, the power of propaganda.
 
2020-07-12 9:03:50 PM  

dylanthomas: Imagine if right from the jump the virus killed everyone who contracted it - I'm guessing there would be much lower levels of dissonance.


Someone should write a horror story about that. Maybe Steven King is free this weekend?
 
2020-07-12 9:13:26 PM  

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You have my attention.
 
2020-07-12 9:14:39 PM  
"I came to my position by starting at the conclusion I wanted and then pointed at things that I could pretend justify it, therefore that must be what everyone is doing and thus their position is no more rational than mine."
 
2020-07-12 9:25:34 PM  

lolmao500: [Fark user image 462x321]


Shouldn't stupidity be the hand because it's what's causing the pain? But then that would mean God is giving us the stupidity... OK maybe it just doesn't work.
 
2020-07-12 9:26:15 PM  

Armchair_Invective: This does explain why Trump Republicans are totally OK with Nazis and criminal corruption now.


Now? Republicans have been fine with that since Nixon.
 
2020-07-12 9:26:20 PM  
I remember getting preached to roughly 2003 about "maybe airplanes won't get hijacked anymore because passengers will overtake the terrorists," and getting told that was 'pre-9/11 thinking.'

These same conservatives who insisted nothing would go back to the way it was and how we needed to lockdown society are now convinced everything is fine and they won't get sick because they stayed inside for a few weeks back in March.
 
2020-07-12 9:29:53 PM  
"How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again!"
--Mark Twain
 
2020-07-12 9:33:23 PM  
Although cognitive dissonance may try to explain why facts are ignored, I thought it was more to do with people getting defensive because they think their beliefs are being threatened.

It is also possible this stubbornness of refusing to admit one is wrong is due to some stigma of being wrong in the first place.  Being wrong should be OK, provided you are able to admit it without any stigma, accept the facts and know that now with with this new information you'll be in the right, and a little bit more smarter.

/not a psychologist
 
2020-07-12 9:37:51 PM  
When society's basic cultural assonances and resonances are off-putting to good free folk here and elsewhere, how can anyone hope to recover from legitimate cognitive dissonance?

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2020-07-12 9:38:44 PM  
Back in February, my housemate (who has an MA in the biological sciences) was telling us that this Covid thing was going to be a big deal. I laughed at him and told him he was an alarmist.

Now, of course, I wear a mask everywhere. I haven't hugged my family since that February party. I miss so much about the way things used to be. But I am absolutely willing to own up to my housemate being smarter than me about this. He was right, I was wrong.

I wonder if it's a thing we're hard-wired for. I left the church in which I was raised because I couldn't believe in it any more; I feel like a lot of the people who refuse or are afraid to change their minds are also hard-wired to stick with authority and/or whatever insane religion they happen to have been indoctrinated into.
 
2020-07-12 9:40:20 PM  
Before long, any ambivalence we might have felt at the time of the original decision will have morphed into certainty.


Really?  I seem to have the opposite problem and assume I didn't make the optimal choice.
 
2020-07-12 9:41:32 PM  
I continue to feel no dissonance over my initial decision regarding coronavirus: "coronavirus? What's that? Maybe I should read about it and learn more."

Guess the writer didn't have room in the article for the hundreds of millions of people who did that.
 
2020-07-12 9:45:09 PM  
Cognitive Dissonance is a failure in Critical Thinking.
 
2020-07-12 9:52:01 PM  

Jim_Callahan: That article was literally saying that "because one thing has been shown to sometimes be true under some conditions, it is therefore definitely always true under every set of conditions".


No, it's not. It's what people with cognitive dissonance believe. You know, the actual point of the article?
 
2020-07-12 10:05:44 PM  
Can't have cognitive dissonance if you DTRFA.

/taps forehead
 
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