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(National Review)   Last week's SCOTUS decision barring faithless electors opens up a truly scary proposition for conservatives: the person with the most votes winning an election   (nationalreview.com) divider line
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2020-07-12 4:41:43 AM  
GOP: If you want to win an election, get more of your voters to the polls than the other guys!
Dems: Good idea! Americans do that for everything else on the ballot, so why not POTUS too?
GOP: WTF that's insane.
 
2020-07-12 4:49:10 AM  
Most things scare conservatives, by definition.
 
2020-07-12 5:00:30 AM  
Out of the last 7 presidential elections a Republican has only won the popular vote once. If your 30 or under the only time you had a Republican win the popular vote was Bush in 04 and he had incumbent advantage, a strong economy, and a country high on patriotism and jingoism.
 
2020-07-12 5:17:03 AM  
The Electoral College is an affront to freedom of speech.

Too bad the court will never look at the argument in such a way.

/so is the two-party system
 
2020-07-12 6:35:47 AM  
How does CA suppress GOP voters, exactly?

Conservatives vote as a block as much as liberals do. "The Court is being political." = "The ruling didn't go my way."

"The Framers gave us not a democracy but a republic"

Christ this observation is tiresome. Our republic is a democratic republic. There may at one time even have been a political party called that. You know, the anti-federalists. Farking ignorant pseudo-pedantic blueberry waffles.
 
2020-07-12 7:05:32 AM  
They don't even try to make a point any more.
 
2020-07-12 7:09:49 AM  
The goal of the Republican party has devolved from winning votes to winning elections to winning power. And they justify this to themselves with a narrative that Democrats are evil and malicious and therefor only Republicans are fit to rule.

These are the end stages of a process that dates back to Nixon at the at the very least.
 
2020-07-12 7:18:42 AM  
Andrew C. McCarthy:

During the presidency of Barack Obama, McCarthy characterized Obama as a radical and a socialist, and authored a book alleging that Obama was advancing a "Sharia Agenda". He authored another book calling for Obama's impeachment. He defended false claims that the Affordable Care Act would lead to "death panels", and promoted the conspiracy theory that Bill Ayers, co-founder of the militant radical left-wing organization Weather Underground, had authored Obama's autobiography Dreams from My Father..


In 2019, he authored Ball of Collusion: The Plot to Rig an Election and Destroy a Presidency. President Trump endorsed the book in September 2019.[34] McCarthy defended Trump amid calls for his impeachment over the Trump-Ukraine scandal where Trump sought to get the Ukrainian president to start an investigation into his political rival Joe Biden.[35] McCarthy wrote that Trump's behavior did not reach the level of impeachable conduct.[30] Previously, McCarthy had written op-eds calling for Hillary Clinton's impeachment before she became president.
 
2020-07-12 7:21:09 AM  
Supreme Court Rules on Faithless Electors in the Electoral College
Youtube COmW6r23zas
 
2020-07-12 7:25:42 AM  
That started out reasonable and quickly degenerated into "WTF am I reading?"
 
2020-07-12 7:28:26 AM  
"Clinton did not win a popular majority: More Americans voted against than for her."

The fact that anyone can write these words and not burst into flames proves there's no justice in the world
 
2020-07-12 7:30:26 AM  
The majority live in cities. Sorry.
 
2020-07-12 7:35:20 AM  

feltrider: "Clinton did not win a popular majority: More Americans voted against than for her."

The fact that anyone can write these words and not burst into flames proves there's no justice in the world


That's true if you only consider the votes of *real* Americans.
 
2020-07-12 7:35:54 AM  

vygramul: How does CA suppress GOP voters, exactly?

Conservatives vote as a block as much as liberals do. "The Court is being political." = "The ruling didn't go my way."

"The Framers gave us not a democracy but a republic"

Christ this observation is tiresome. Our republic is a democratic republic. There may at one time even have been a political party called that. You know, the anti-federalists. Farking ignorant pseudo-pedantic blueberry waffles.


this. yes, the Founders gave us a republic. the people elect representatives to speak for them and make, enforce, and interpret laws on their behalves (behalfs?), rather than every person voting on every individual issue. nowhere in the definition of republic is it necessary to have the people elect other people who in turn elect those representatives. and if it did, we should do it for every office, not just president.
 
2020-07-12 7:36:17 AM  
It doesn't count because California...

that's a weird way to say "I've never looked at a map to see that California almost takes up the entire west coast of the US.

Count the coastal votes from Maine to North Carolina  - including 2 states Clinton lost, and you'll see a difference in millions favoring Clinton.  The clear difference isn't in geography.  The best indicator of Trump support is poor education.  Dumb f*cks.

Funny how it wasn't even the point of the article but they seemed to go off in a weird direction.
 
2020-07-12 7:37:33 AM  

vygramul: How does CA suppress GOP voters, exactly?

Conservatives vote as a block as much as liberals do. "The Court is being political." = "The ruling didn't go my way."

"The Framers gave us not a democracy but a republic"

Christ this observation is tiresome. Our republic is a democratic republic. There may at one time even have been a political party called that. You know, the anti-federalists. Farking ignorant pseudo-pedantic bluewaffles.


/FTFM
 
2020-07-12 7:37:36 AM  
Technical quibble: the court didn't "bar faithless electors". They said a state could.
 
2020-07-12 7:38:25 AM  

Anenu: Out of the last 7 presidential elections a Republican has only won the popular vote once. If your 30 or under the only time you had a Republican win the popular vote was Bush in 04 and he had incumbent advantage, a strong economy, and a country high on patriotism and jingoism.


Plus, Bush in '04 engaged in farkery in Ohio that may have tipped the election his way.
 
2020-07-12 7:42:45 AM  

FlashHarry: Anenu: Out of the last 7 presidential elections a Republican has only won the popular vote once. If your 30 or under the only time you had a Republican win the popular vote was Bush in 04 and he had incumbent advantage, a strong economy, and a country high on patriotism and jingoism.

Plus, Bush in '04 engaged in farkery in Ohio that may have tipped the election his way.


JUST in ohio?  we lost feingold because of shrublet's farkery...  i stand by response to the "miss me yet?" meme.

NO.

just because hair furor is WORSE than you, doesn't make me want YOU back!!

/this works as relationship advice, too, if you're looking for any...
 
2020-07-12 7:44:54 AM  

cynicalminion: FlashHarry: Anenu: Out of the last 7 presidential elections a Republican has only won the popular vote once. If your 30 or under the only time you had a Republican win the popular vote was Bush in 04 and he had incumbent advantage, a strong economy, and a country high on patriotism and jingoism.

Plus, Bush in '04 engaged in farkery in Ohio that may have tipped the election his way.

JUST in ohio?  we lost feingold because of shrublet's farkery...  i stand by response to the "miss me yet?" meme.

NO.

just because hair furor is WORSE than you, doesn't make me want YOU back!!

/this works as relationship advice, too, if you're looking for any...


Feingold lost in 2010
 
2020-07-12 7:50:16 AM  

feltrider: "Clinton did not win a popular majority: More Americans voted against than for her."

The fact that anyone can write these words and not burst into flames proves there's no justice in the world


He is an ass, but he is factually correct. Clinton got 48.2% of the popular vote. She won a plurality, not a majority.

/Abolish the electoral college and either have ranked voting or have runoff elections
 
2020-07-12 7:51:44 AM  
Why is it that everyone is taking the wrong interpretation outta the ruling?

The SCOTUS case was about a voter at the EC who refused to follow state law and voted against the person who they were legally bound to vote for.

SCOTUS decided that states have the right to require that the EC voters vote for whom they are pledged to vote for. The states that have no such laws are not affected; those voters can still be faithless electors if they wish. Alito and Thomas were the ones who dissented.

This isnt farking rocket science.
 
2020-07-12 7:52:39 AM  

qorkfiend: cynicalminion: FlashHarry: Anenu: Out of the last 7 presidential elections a Republican has only won the popular vote once. If your 30 or under the only time you had a Republican win the popular vote was Bush in 04 and he had incumbent advantage, a strong economy, and a country high on patriotism and jingoism.

Plus, Bush in '04 engaged in farkery in Ohio that may have tipped the election his way.

JUST in ohio?  we lost feingold because of shrublet's farkery...  i stand by response to the "miss me yet?" meme.

NO.

just because hair furor is WORSE than you, doesn't make me want YOU back!!

/this works as relationship advice, too, if you're looking for any...

Feingold lost in 2010


yeah, but it was the post-9/11 crap that did it.  at least we still have one of the tammys.
 
2020-07-12 7:54:22 AM  
The argument that the Electoral College gives a voice to the disenfranchised minority is so ass backwards it's sad.

Firstly, we have a system to make sure smaller states are listened to, it's the Senate which is built to be disproportionate. The House is also disproportionately representative towards small states, though it's not supposed to be. Having the Presidency disproportionately represent small states isn't protecting them from the "Tyranny of the Majority" at this point, it's actively promoting Tyranny of the Minority. They have a voice, and it's way too loud.

Secondly, it's a system that promotes minority disenfranchisement. Republicans don't want California deciding the president, but there are tens of millions of Republicans out there whose voices are completely irrelevant and ignored. Same thing for Democrats in solidly red states like Mississippi or Alabama. By having a system where those minorities have no voice, they reinforce political barriers to prevent the parties from being accountable to their people. Mississippi's voice is weaker in national politics because nobody running for president has to care what Mississippi thinks because it's so safely Republican. Only the battleground states matter so we wind up with Florida running the country.

Which explains a lot.
 
2020-07-12 7:55:35 AM  

cynicalminion: qorkfiend: cynicalminion: FlashHarry: Anenu: Out of the last 7 presidential elections a Republican has only won the popular vote once. If your 30 or under the only time you had a Republican win the popular vote was Bush in 04 and he had incumbent advantage, a strong economy, and a country high on patriotism and jingoism.

Plus, Bush in '04 engaged in farkery in Ohio that may have tipped the election his way.

JUST in ohio?  we lost feingold because of shrublet's farkery...  i stand by response to the "miss me yet?" meme.

NO.

just because hair furor is WORSE than you, doesn't make me want YOU back!!

/this works as relationship advice, too, if you're looking for any...

Feingold lost in 2010

yeah, but it was the post-9/11 crap that did it.  at least we still have one of the tammys.


The "post-9/11 crap" cost Feingold his job in 2010 but not 2004?
 
2020-07-12 8:00:27 AM  

vygramul: How does CA suppress GOP voters, exactly?

Conservatives vote as a block as much as liberals do. "The Court is being political." = "The ruling didn't go my way."

"The Framers gave us not a democracy but a republic"

Christ this observation is tiresome. Our republic is a democratic republic. There may at one time even have been a political party called that. You know, the anti-federalists. Farking ignorant pseudo-pedantic blueberry waffles.


Well, you see, the Democrats KEEP getting more votes, yet Republicans exist, so their voices aren't being heard, so they NEED proportional representation. Every Republican vote should count three to five times more than Democratic votes. it's the only way to be fair.

Duh. Chexmix, Libs.
 
2020-07-12 8:05:28 AM  

qorkfiend: cynicalminion: qorkfiend: cynicalminion: FlashHarry: Anenu: Out of the last 7 presidential elections a Republican has only won the popular vote once. If your 30 or under the only time you had a Republican win the popular vote was Bush in 04 and he had incumbent advantage, a strong economy, and a country high on patriotism and jingoism.

Plus, Bush in '04 engaged in farkery in Ohio that may have tipped the election his way.

JUST in ohio?  we lost feingold because of shrublet's farkery...  i stand by response to the "miss me yet?" meme.

NO.

just because hair furor is WORSE than you, doesn't make me want YOU back!!

/this works as relationship advice, too, if you're looking for any...

Feingold lost in 2010

yeah, but it was the post-9/11 crap that did it.  at least we still have one of the tammys.

The "post-9/11 crap" cost Feingold his job in 2010 but not 2004?


that would be the 6-year senate cycle, yeah.
 
2020-07-12 8:08:00 AM  

hubiestubert: vygramul: How does CA suppress GOP voters, exactly?

Conservatives vote as a block as much as liberals do. "The Court is being political." = "The ruling didn't go my way."

"The Framers gave us not a democracy but a republic"

Christ this observation is tiresome. Our republic is a democratic republic. There may at one time even have been a political party called that. You know, the anti-federalists. Farking ignorant pseudo-pedantic blueberry waffles.

Well, you see, the Democrats KEEP getting more votes, yet Republicans exist, so their voices aren't being heard, so they NEED proportional representation. Every Republican vote should count three to five times more than Democratic votes. it's the only way to be fair.

Duh. Chexmix, Libs.


I can sort of understand the argument here as the jungle primary can eliminate the GOP from the ballot entirely...
 
2020-07-12 8:08:31 AM  

cynicalminion: qorkfiend: cynicalminion: qorkfiend: cynicalminion: FlashHarry: Anenu: Out of the last 7 presidential elections a Republican has only won the popular vote once. If your 30 or under the only time you had a Republican win the popular vote was Bush in 04 and he had incumbent advantage, a strong economy, and a country high on patriotism and jingoism.

Plus, Bush in '04 engaged in farkery in Ohio that may have tipped the election his way.

JUST in ohio?  we lost feingold because of shrublet's farkery...  i stand by response to the "miss me yet?" meme.

NO.

just because hair furor is WORSE than you, doesn't make me want YOU back!!

/this works as relationship advice, too, if you're looking for any...

Feingold lost in 2010

yeah, but it was the post-9/11 crap that did it.  at least we still have one of the tammys.

The "post-9/11 crap" cost Feingold his job in 2010 but not 2004?

that would be the 6-year senate cycle, yeah.


So, Bush and 9/11 were bigger issues in 2010 than they were in 2004?
 
2020-07-12 8:09:46 AM  
George W. Bush in 2004 is the only Republican president in 30 years to win the popular vote.
 
2020-07-12 8:11:04 AM  

qorkfiend: cynicalminion: qorkfiend: cynicalminion: qorkfiend: cynicalminion: FlashHarry: Anenu: Out of the last 7 presidential elections a Republican has only won the popular vote once. If your 30 or under the only time you had a Republican win the popular vote was Bush in 04 and he had incumbent advantage, a strong economy, and a country high on patriotism and jingoism.

Plus, Bush in '04 engaged in farkery in Ohio that may have tipped the election his way.

JUST in ohio?  we lost feingold because of shrublet's farkery...  i stand by response to the "miss me yet?" meme.

NO.

just because hair furor is WORSE than you, doesn't make me want YOU back!!

/this works as relationship advice, too, if you're looking for any...

Feingold lost in 2010

yeah, but it was the post-9/11 crap that did it.  at least we still have one of the tammys.

The "post-9/11 crap" cost Feingold his job in 2010 but not 2004?

that would be the 6-year senate cycle, yeah.

So, Bush and 9/11 were bigger issues in 2010 than they were in 2004?


no, but the "you voted against 'murica" rhetoric was...
 
2020-07-12 8:13:08 AM  

hubiestubert: vygramul: How does CA suppress GOP voters, exactly?

Conservatives vote as a block as much as liberals do. "The Court is being political." = "The ruling didn't go my way."

"The Framers gave us not a democracy but a republic"

Christ this observation is tiresome. Our republic is a democratic republic. There may at one time even have been a political party called that. You know, the anti-federalists. Farking ignorant pseudo-pedantic blueberry waffles.

Well, you see, the Democrats KEEP getting more votes, yet Republicans exist, so their voices aren't being heard, so they NEED proportional representation. Every Republican vote should count three to five times more than Democratic votes. it's the only way to be fair.

Duh. Chexmix, Libs.


1 vote in California is worth 9 in Idaho.
 
2020-07-12 8:13:57 AM  

puffy999: The Electoral College is an affront to freedom of speech.

Too bad the court will never look at the argument in such a way.

/so is the two-party system


Boy, I see you have a JD from Trump University.
 
2020-07-12 8:14:08 AM  

cynicalminion: qorkfiend: cynicalminion: qorkfiend: cynicalminion: qorkfiend: cynicalminion: FlashHarry: Anenu: Out of the last 7 presidential elections a Republican has only won the popular vote once. If your 30 or under the only time you had a Republican win the popular vote was Bush in 04 and he had incumbent advantage, a strong economy, and a country high on patriotism and jingoism.

Plus, Bush in '04 engaged in farkery in Ohio that may have tipped the election his way.

JUST in ohio?  we lost feingold because of shrublet's farkery...  i stand by response to the "miss me yet?" meme.

NO.

just because hair furor is WORSE than you, doesn't make me want YOU back!!

/this works as relationship advice, too, if you're looking for any...

Feingold lost in 2010

yeah, but it was the post-9/11 crap that did it.  at least we still have one of the tammys.

The "post-9/11 crap" cost Feingold his job in 2010 but not 2004?

that would be the 6-year senate cycle, yeah.

So, Bush and 9/11 were bigger issues in 2010 than they were in 2004?

no, but the "you voted against 'murica" rhetoric was...


lol
 
2020-07-12 8:17:24 AM  

qorkfiend: cynicalminion: qorkfiend: cynicalminion: qorkfiend: cynicalminion: qorkfiend: cynicalminion: FlashHarry: Anenu: Out of the last 7 presidential elections a Republican has only won the popular vote once. If your 30 or under the only time you had a Republican win the popular vote was Bush in 04 and he had incumbent advantage, a strong economy, and a country high on patriotism and jingoism.

Plus, Bush in '04 engaged in farkery in Ohio that may have tipped the election his way.

JUST in ohio?  we lost feingold because of shrublet's farkery...  i stand by response to the "miss me yet?" meme.

NO.

just because hair furor is WORSE than you, doesn't make me want YOU back!!

/this works as relationship advice, too, if you're looking for any...

Feingold lost in 2010

yeah, but it was the post-9/11 crap that did it.  at least we still have one of the tammys.

The "post-9/11 crap" cost Feingold his job in 2010 but not 2004?

that would be the 6-year senate cycle, yeah.

So, Bush and 9/11 were bigger issues in 2010 than they were in 2004?

no, but the "you voted against 'murica" rhetoric was...

lol


the unnecessary war in iraq is funny to you?
 
2020-07-12 8:18:22 AM  

cynicalminion: qorkfiend: cynicalminion: qorkfiend: cynicalminion: qorkfiend: cynicalminion: qorkfiend: cynicalminion: FlashHarry: Anenu: Out of the last 7 presidential elections a Republican has only won the popular vote once. If your 30 or under the only time you had a Republican win the popular vote was Bush in 04 and he had incumbent advantage, a strong economy, and a country high on patriotism and jingoism.

Plus, Bush in '04 engaged in farkery in Ohio that may have tipped the election his way.

JUST in ohio?  we lost feingold because of shrublet's farkery...  i stand by response to the "miss me yet?" meme.

NO.

just because hair furor is WORSE than you, doesn't make me want YOU back!!

/this works as relationship advice, too, if you're looking for any...

Feingold lost in 2010

yeah, but it was the post-9/11 crap that did it.  at least we still have one of the tammys.

The "post-9/11 crap" cost Feingold his job in 2010 but not 2004?

that would be the 6-year senate cycle, yeah.

So, Bush and 9/11 were bigger issues in 2010 than they were in 2004?

no, but the "you voted against 'murica" rhetoric was...

lol

the unnecessary war in iraq is funny to you?


No, your continued assertions that they were bigger issues in 2010 than 2004 is amusing to me
 
2020-07-12 8:18:52 AM  
The Electoral College is a relic from slavery and The notion that only the landed gentry should vote.  The basic problem was how do you wield political power at the national level when a majority of your residents can not vote. The answer was to have some vote on behalf of all. Slavery is abolished and adults are enfranchised but the old mechanism survives.
 
2020-07-12 8:19:07 AM  

kbronsito: feltrider: "Clinton did not win a popular majority: More Americans voted against than for her."

The fact that anyone can write these words and not burst into flames proves there's no justice in the world

That's true if you only consider the votes of *real* Americans.


Well he's an originalist and thinks that many of Clinton's votes were cast by people who only count as 3/5 of a person.

If you are a Republican, you are a racist. The only way to not be one is to leave the party and stop voting for them.
 
2020-07-12 8:22:29 AM  

qorkfiend: cynicalminion: qorkfiend: cynicalminion: qorkfiend: cynicalminion: qorkfiend: cynicalminion: qorkfiend: cynicalminion: FlashHarry: Anenu: Out of the last 7 presidential elections a Republican has only won the popular vote once. If your 30 or under the only time you had a Republican win the popular vote was Bush in 04 and he had incumbent advantage, a strong economy, and a country high on patriotism and jingoism.

Plus, Bush in '04 engaged in farkery in Ohio that may have tipped the election his way.

JUST in ohio?  we lost feingold because of shrublet's farkery...  i stand by response to the "miss me yet?" meme.

NO.

just because hair furor is WORSE than you, doesn't make me want YOU back!!

/this works as relationship advice, too, if you're looking for any...

Feingold lost in 2010

yeah, but it was the post-9/11 crap that did it.  at least we still have one of the tammys.

The "post-9/11 crap" cost Feingold his job in 2010 but not 2004?

that would be the 6-year senate cycle, yeah.

So, Bush and 9/11 were bigger issues in 2010 than they were in 2004?

no, but the "you voted against 'murica" rhetoric was...

lol

the unnecessary war in iraq is funny to you?

No, your continued assertions that they were bigger issues in 2010 than 2004 is amusing to me


i'm repeating anecdotal evidence of why people voted against him.  kinda like why scooter kept the governor spot "BECAUSE MAH GUNZ!"  i'm not claiming it makes any SENSE, i'm just sayin' that's WHY we got long johnson, and why without trump, 2024 is not gonna go well for the... fark it, i'm already on at least a couple of lists... treasonweasel
 
2020-07-12 8:23:43 AM  
Like everyday for the last 50 years, conservatism stands for whatever gets them power.
 
2020-07-12 8:29:02 AM  

cynicalminion: qorkfiend: cynicalminion: qorkfiend: cynicalminion: qorkfiend: cynicalminion: qorkfiend: cynicalminion: qorkfiend: cynicalminion: FlashHarry: Anenu: Out of the last 7 presidential elections a Republican has only won the popular vote once. If your 30 or under the only time you had a Republican win the popular vote was Bush in 04 and he had incumbent advantage, a strong economy, and a country high on patriotism and jingoism.

Plus, Bush in '04 engaged in farkery in Ohio that may have tipped the election his way.

JUST in ohio?  we lost feingold because of shrublet's farkery...  i stand by response to the "miss me yet?" meme.

NO.

just because hair furor is WORSE than you, doesn't make me want YOU back!!

/this works as relationship advice, too, if you're looking for any...

Feingold lost in 2010

yeah, but it was the post-9/11 crap that did it.  at least we still have one of the tammys.

The "post-9/11 crap" cost Feingold his job in 2010 but not 2004?

that would be the 6-year senate cycle, yeah.

So, Bush and 9/11 were bigger issues in 2010 than they were in 2004?

no, but the "you voted against 'murica" rhetoric was...

lol

the unnecessary war in iraq is funny to you?

No, your continued assertions that they were bigger issues in 2010 than 2004 is amusing to me

i'm repeating anecdotal evidence of why people voted against him.  kinda like why scooter kept the governor spot "BECAUSE MAH GUNZ!"  i'm not claiming it makes any SENSE, i'm just sayin' that's WHY we got long johnson, and why without trump, 2024 is not gonna go well for the... fark it, i'm already on at least a couple of lists... treasonweasel


WIGOP fights dirty, and scooter only lost because HIS election rule bit him in the ass.  look at what happened as soon as vos and fitz found out that evers might get the power they gave scooter...

politics in this state are never boring.  bipolar, stupid, with occasional "dafuq?" moments, but never boring!
 
2020-07-12 8:31:55 AM  
Not as scary as the thought of Hillary being POTUS.
 
2020-07-12 8:34:13 AM  

RasIanI: hubiestubert: vygramul: How does CA suppress GOP voters, exactly?

Conservatives vote as a block as much as liberals do. "The Court is being political." = "The ruling didn't go my way."

"The Framers gave us not a democracy but a republic"

Christ this observation is tiresome. Our republic is a democratic republic. There may at one time even have been a political party called that. You know, the anti-federalists. Farking ignorant pseudo-pedantic blueberry waffles.

Well, you see, the Democrats KEEP getting more votes, yet Republicans exist, so their voices aren't being heard, so they NEED proportional representation. Every Republican vote should count three to five times more than Democratic votes. it's the only way to be fair.

Duh. Chexmix, Libs.

1 vote in California is worth 9 in Idaho.


forget votes, california is worth 9 idahoes.

/oblig. "no, U da ho!!"
 
2020-07-12 8:35:46 AM  

Cat Food Sandwiches: Not as scary as the thought of Hillary being POTUS.


username checks out
 
2020-07-12 8:40:36 AM  

neongoats: Cat Food Sandwiches: Not as scary as the thought of Hillary being POTUS.

username checks out


Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2020-07-12 8:41:23 AM  
God, they're still hammering on that "If you don't count California, Trump won the popular vote" nonsense. 

If you don't count any of the states, no one won, and we shouldn't have a president at all!

If you only count Alaska, then America's average temperature is actually very low.

If you only count Florida and California, Disney theme parks operate in 100% of the United States!
 
2020-07-12 8:50:16 AM  
Why do we continue to give the Slave States an unfair advantage?
 
2020-07-12 8:50:39 AM  
the entire margin (and then some) is explained by California, which systematically depresses Republican turn-out

Do tell.  How (do they claim) California systematically depresses Republican turnout?

I mean, the one time a bunch of Black Panthers did turn up armed, Ronnie Reagan signed gun control legislation right quick.
 
2020-07-12 8:53:14 AM  

NathanAllen: Why do we continue to give the Slave States an unfair advantage?


Rural states. The upthread example of Idaho v. California. Obviously the 3/5ths Rule doesn't apply anymore. And hasn't for a long, long time.
 
2020-07-12 8:54:10 AM  

RasIanI: hubiestubert: vygramul: How does CA suppress GOP voters, exactly?

Conservatives vote as a block as much as liberals do. "The Court is being political." = "The ruling didn't go my way."

"The Framers gave us not a democracy but a republic"

Christ this observation is tiresome. Our republic is a democratic republic. There may at one time even have been a political party called that. You know, the anti-federalists. Farking ignorant pseudo-pedantic blueberry waffles.

Well, you see, the Democrats KEEP getting more votes, yet Republicans exist, so their voices aren't being heard, so they NEED proportional representation. Every Republican vote should count three to five times more than Democratic votes. it's the only way to be fair.

Duh. Chexmix, Libs.

1 vote in California is worth 9 in Idaho.


Quite the opposite, truth be told. There are two ways of looking at this (for presidential elections, anyway), and your statement is true for neither.

1) A vote is "worth" the number of EC votes the state has divided by its population (in short, the EC "value" of the individual). In this case, California voters actually have the lowest individual power, as states with the lowest population get amplified more by the two base. RI votes are worth 2.45 CA ones each. Given how population tends to be distributed, this actively hampers Blue votes overall, as seen by the fact that Dems have won the popular vote but lost the presidency so often.

2) NO VOTE counts unless you are in a state that is within the "swing" range. That is, those few states in the center between Red and Blue, which have the potential to be EC Vote number 270 for one side or the other. This leads directly to campaigns inundating those particular states with ads and barely sending any to arguably larger prizes, like CA/NY/TX (the latter changing recently, it may be in play).
 
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