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2020-07-11 9:28:12 PM  
I don't know. But when I travel to the Southern states I develop a Southern accent.
 
2020-07-11 9:55:11 PM  
Because we didn't fight a Revolution so that we could speak English.
 
2020-07-11 9:57:53 PM  
I thought the Standard American accent derived from a West Country accent.
 
2020-07-11 11:25:36 PM  
Basically our English is more like what they spoke in England at the time.  They changed their accents, we didn't change ours.

....either way .. Who farking cares?
 
2020-07-11 11:29:25 PM  
No, not really.
 
2020-07-11 11:52:03 PM  
 
2020-07-12 12:01:05 AM  

Mentat: Because we didn't fight a Revolution so that we could speak English.



YEAH!!  We fought a Revolution so we could have unrestricted immigration, an escape from politically motivated tarrifs restricting who  you could trade with, and a supreme executive ruler who didn't consider himself above the law!  Principles we still treasure tod.....

... oh goddamnit.
 
2020-07-12 12:06:18 AM  
I learned this in college in Spanish phonetics. Spanish has the same kinds of changes that come from having an  empire that's so spread all over the world.

z = θ

Casar = Ka--sar' ----- marry
Cazar = Ka--θar' ----- hunt

They're pronounced the same in Latin America, but totally different in Spain.
 
2020-07-12 12:52:32 AM  
I'm going to watch Lucy Worsley's documentary about Vussia.
 
2020-07-12 12:56:09 AM  
Massachusetts accent is a lazy English accent.
 
2020-07-12 12:56:30 AM  
Probably same reason why Canada, Australia and the spattering of other nations that were part of the British Empire and have English as one of the dominate languages don't sound like the Queens English.

Hell you can't even go state to state w/o running into a different accent so of course we're not going to sound the same as the Brits.
 
2020-07-12 1:23:19 AM  
Like there's a single English accent?
 
2020-07-12 1:52:24 AM  

JesusIsNowBlind: Like there's a single English accent?


Yes. They secretly all sound like an over the top Michael Cain when other people aren't around. Even the women.
 
2020-07-12 1:54:00 AM  

JesusIsNowBlind: re's a single English accent?


I think there's technically 2.

Plucky workingclass chimneysweep/underworld gangster accent and posh villian/secret agent or high ranking government official accent.
 
2020-07-12 2:19:00 AM  
WHY AYE MAN! Geordie Accent Talk
Youtube r09urAHaVwA
 
2020-07-12 2:35:15 AM  

PadreScout: JesusIsNowBlind: re's a single English accent?

I think there's technically 2.

Plucky workingclass chimneysweep/underworld gangster accent and posh villian/secret agent or high ranking government official accent.


PadreScout: JesusIsNowBlind: re's a single English accent?

I think there's technically 2.

Plucky workingclass chimneysweep/underworld gangster accent and posh villian/secret agent or high ranking government official accent.


A long standing problem that!

My Fair Lady - Why Can't The English?
Youtube EAYUuspQ6BY
 
2020-07-12 3:00:07 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: PadreScout: JesusIsNowBlind: re's a single English accent?

I think there's technically 2.

Plucky workingclass chimneysweep/underworld gangster accent and posh villian/secret agent or high ranking government official accent.

PadreScout: JesusIsNowBlind: re's a single English accent?

I think there's technically 2.

Plucky workingclass chimneysweep/underworld gangster accent and posh villian/secret agent or high ranking government official accent.

A long standing problem that!

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1960s Audrey Hepburn?   I just want to get all animal on her and show her my filth.
 
2020-07-12 3:20:36 AM  
I can't talk shiat about Thais who speak bad English. It's their second language but they hear it in every different way. A German speaking English is different than an Aussie or an American or a Britt or a fill in the blank.

I can pick up some Italian because I've been around Mexicans forever. But all the different English accents would be terrible.
 
2020-07-12 3:48:00 AM  
Actually, if anyone has ever heard a Dutch person speak they will understand that the American English was influenced by the Dutch influence in what was then known as New Amsterdam. As a single example, using the letter and pronunciation of the letter 'R': the Brits pronounce it farther back in the throat, but like when the doctor examines your tonsils. The Dutch pronouce 'R' more towards the front of the mouth, like pirates 'Arrrrrrrrrr!'
Hence the development of American English is likely to be the King's English pronounced with a Dutch accent.
 
2020-07-12 4:07:36 AM  
Guide to English accents:
The Fast Show - Posh Cockneys - Northern Pub
Youtube g4oaGQ2POC8
 
2020-07-12 4:43:52 AM  
The Brits changed in the early 1800s because the non-rhotic "R" was deemed high class and people wanted to emulate it. Regency era England t'was a silly place.
 
2020-07-12 5:12:55 AM  
That article is rubbish. We didn't change the way we pronounce the a in path, bath etc. The long a is only prevalent in the South East. They basically compared US accent to received pronounciation which is somewhat artificial.

I always understood that the Norfolk accent was close to US.
 
2020-07-12 6:20:57 AM  
Because language isn't static. It constantly changes. Looking at the "American accent" and which one? Maine? South Carolina? Texas? The Bronx? Heck in New York and Boston, you have to nail it down to neighborhood and even class.

There is some evidence that the American South preserved some elements of the Colonial British dialect, on fairly isolated islands, but that is mainly because of that isolation. And that's what it boils down to: languages change and evolve from use, and English is particularly adept at mugging other languages for vocabulary and adapting to other languages it butts up against. Because English was a compromise tongue in the first place. It's got Germanic origins. It's picked up bits of Latin along the way. It KEEPS butting up against languages derived from Latin, and in America, it had a bit wider an exposure to other languages than back in England. It changed and developed naturally, thanks to waves of immigration, thanks to the size of the country which let enclaves of English do their natural thing, but kept them all hanging together in a cultural stew. Well, that and we defiantly created our own dictionary to cleave away from the Brits, which sort of meant that regional accents were considered desirable.

What's going to be interesting is charting how accents change and evolve now that we have audio and video recordings to reinforce not just "Standard American English" in media consumption, but also regional accents and dialects as well. Languages before this have relied on print to preserve their structures, and change over time thanks to use...well, that's how we got Spanish, French, and Italian in Europe. That's how the Germanic languages split. Isolation and time and languages drift as the populations each have different cultural influences, and add their own spin on things from class structures and just plain fads even. And it's not just American or British accents and dialects that are going to find some recursion, but Jamaican, South Africa, and anywhere really. Changes can occur within a generation or two, and six or seven generations can see significant drift. Because humans will mimic those around them. It's not a bad strategy. Lose your tribe? Best be able to fit into a new tribe, stat. But with recording media, you can see accents preserved, and those you want to adopt for social mobility are right there to listen to and then mimic over time. Or to reinforce local accents further.
 
2020-07-12 6:24:12 AM  
the British accent is an affectation. British people began talking that way to sound upper class (the Monarchy has always been French or German so it is a blend of those accents). this happened after the revolution so Americans didn't change except in ports that did business with England which is why people in Boston sound like idiots.
here is an article that actually addresses this topic.

https://www.rd.com/article/american-b​r​itish-accents/
 
2020-07-12 7:00:38 AM  
All I know for sure is that the people of Australia are the only people in the world who do not have accents.
 
2020-07-12 7:04:17 AM  

PadreScout: Basically our English is more like what they spoke in England at the time.  They changed their accents, we didn't change ours.

....either way .. Who farking cares?


No, American English pronunciation has changed in a way that is less measurable to rhyming than English pronunciation.

Both have changed since the 17th century.
 
2020-07-12 7:09:10 AM  
I'm not sure about all of you but I speak a form of an American English accent. Didn't read tfa but my guess as to why it changed is the Atlantic Ocean.
 
2020-07-12 7:28:19 AM  
But why can't some Robin Hoods speak with an English accent?
 
2020-07-12 8:34:01 AM  
I read the whole article in a Ward Burton accent.
 
2020-07-12 9:00:10 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: All I know for sure is that the people of Australia Canada are the only people in the world who do not have accents.


FTFY

/offer not valid in the Maritimes or Newfoundland
 
2020-07-12 9:58:57 AM  
I have been told that a Chesapeake Bay accent is how Elizabethan English spoke.
 
2020-07-12 9:59:45 AM  
Stupid article is stupid as it doesn't account for the influences on the English language by German, Swedes, Norwegians, Italians, et al., who emigrated to various parts of the United States.
 
2020-07-12 10:32:16 AM  
 
2020-07-12 10:48:25 AM  
Even American Spanish is different from the Spanish spoken in any region in Spain. Spanish and Native American languages as well as other languages from around the world have had a huge influence on American English. After a couple of centuries of separation and entirely different pressures on the language, a better question might be why are there still so many similarities remaining between British English and American English?
 
2020-07-12 11:02:52 AM  
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2020-07-12 11:17:57 AM  

kdawg7736: I don't know. But when I travel to the Southern states I develop a Southern accent.


A guy I knew used to tell a story about a sub that was crewed by one of his buddies that left port with only one southerner on board, but returned with the whole crew having a southern accent.
 
2020-07-12 12:19:14 PM  

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Eddie Izzard "Language" Sketch From "Dress to Kill"
Youtube FXBHY7uco0Y
 
2020-07-12 1:16:00 PM  
I have an ugly NYC area accent and never left the area. I probably have more vowels in common with a Brit than a Californian. I.e. when I say caught it sounds closer to court than to cot. Merry, marry and Mary have three distinct vowels, etc.
 
2020-07-12 3:02:53 PM  

Conservative Evangelical Millennial Cyclist: JesusIsNowBlind: Like there's a single English accent?

Yes. They secretly all sound like an over the top Michael Cain when other people aren't around. Even the women.


You jest, but...

How English sounds to non-English speakers
Youtube Vt4Dfa4fOEY
 
2020-07-12 3:45:59 PM  
For the same reason we drive on the right...because fark England, that's why.
 
2020-07-12 4:10:56 PM  

kdawg7736: I don't know. But when I travel to the Southern states I develop a Southern accent.


I was born and raised in the South but moved to New York for a few years in the early aughts.  The office I worked in had a bunch of guys from Staten Island and Jersey among other places.  I never developed their accent fortunately but they sure thought I talked funny.
 
2020-07-12 4:22:03 PM  

spleef420: For the same reason we drive on the right...because fark England, that's why.


You drive on the right because you are farking pussies like the French. It dates back to horse riding. When on the road and encountering another rider the English would pass on the left so their sword arm is free should they need to fend off an attack. The French and US pass on the right so they can cower behind their shields.

Compare with the Japanese Samurai. The Japanese also drive on the left. Not pussies. Also the Swedes (Vikings, again not pussies) also used to drive on the left but switched in the 70s.

/The above most likely isn't true, but it's an explanation I heard once.
 
2020-07-12 7:38:03 PM  

PadreScout: Mentat: Because we didn't fight a Revolution so that we could speak English.


YEAH!!  We fought a Revolution so we could have unrestricted immigration, an escape from politically motivated tarrifs restricting who  you could trade with, and a supreme executive ruler who didn't consider himself above the law!  Principles we still treasure tod.....

... oh goddamnit.


Well duh, things change with time, I think it's good that we have have laws that can be changed too.
 
2020-07-12 10:42:06 PM  
As a Canadian, I'm sorry to tell you that you all have accents.
 
2020-07-12 11:42:51 PM  

Swiss Colony: spleef420: For the same reason we drive on the right...because fark England, that's.


That's funny.

One could say that our right right hands would be available to pull a weapon while the left defends or does something else.
 
2020-07-13 12:53:24 PM  
I heard once that the Australian accent came from kids listening to their drunken parents talk
 
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