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(WTAE)   79 year old bus driver, laid off due to Rona, finally started getting benefits after weeks of delays then, "Yeah, about that money. We need it back"   (wtae.com) divider line
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2020-07-11 1:36:29 AM  
'Murica.
 
2020-07-11 2:12:10 AM  
fark this country
 
2020-07-11 4:46:32 AM  
I was out of work for 6 weeks... first application in mid-March.

Nothing.
 
2020-07-11 5:02:04 AM  
I assume the churches are all volunteering to help him out, after the government assistance they all got without ever paying taxes...
 
2020-07-11 5:06:09 AM  
Who'd you vote for, old white man?
If it was Trump - f**k ya.
 
2020-07-11 5:24:25 AM  
"John Roman, 76, was laid off from his job as a school bus driver in March."

Weird how this guy aged 3 years in the last 6 months. That's some Benjamin Button level shiat, subby.
 
2020-07-11 5:24:49 AM  
He's wearing his mask wrong.
 
2020-07-11 5:41:52 AM  

the unabomber was right: "John Roman, 76, was laid off from his job as a school bus driver in March."

Weird how this guy aged 3 years in the last 6 months. That's some Benjamin Button level shiat, subby.


It's certainly felt like three farking years.
 
2020-07-11 5:49:52 AM  
Don't worry, he'll be told eventually that he doesn't need to pay anything back (because of the negative media attention). Once the spotlight is off whatever person made that bonehead decision, they'll be right back to denying benefits and demanding repayment. Because that's how this sort of thing works: sh*t rises to the top and makes sh*t decisions with the sole purpose of screwing over as many people as possible.
 
2020-07-11 5:51:04 AM  
I didn't even want the Trump check. Seriously. I was sent one.

/using it to pay IRS taxes.
 
2020-07-11 6:05:34 AM  
If only he were a large religious institution that was struggling to pay for all its child raping lawsuits he might've been treated more fairly.
 
2020-07-11 6:07:35 AM  

jso2897: Who'd you vote for, old white man?
If it was Trump - f**k ya.


Because in your world Trump is in charge of the local bus drivers.  Get help my friend.
 
2020-07-11 7:18:45 AM  
The problem is the school district never formally brought him back on the payroll when he came back from leave, which then led to termination for abandonment. All supervisor said was there was no work.

/ Seen this a lot over the years
// School boards are always looking to screw drivers
/// Until the SB fixes their side, the State has to pursue
 
2020-07-11 7:44:42 AM  
Asked what he will do if he has to pay back the $3,084 in benefits, Roman said, "I don't know, really. I'm scared to think that far in advance. "

At 79, I'd "sell" all my shiat to a family member I trust 110% before a lien gets started, sign a $1/yr in perpetuity lease, liquidate all my bank/savings/retirement accounts into cash, and fark the State. Like, right now before they have time to file orders to prevent it.
 
2020-07-11 7:50:29 AM  
Just pay the money and STFU!
 
2020-07-11 7:53:46 AM  
Although, (I just re-read the article) as a seasonal school bus employee, in quite a few states school employees and contractors aren't eligible for unemployment. If that's the case in PA he really shouldn't have gotten the UI in the first place.
 
2020-07-11 8:08:50 AM  

elkraf: Just pay the money and STFU!


thank you for your eloquent solution to this problem. I'm certain morons like yourself are the same ones who is trying to screw this guy over. please do the world a favor and shut your dumb farking mouth.
 
2020-07-11 8:13:45 AM  

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: I didn't even want the Trump check. Seriously. I was sent one.

/using it to pay IRS taxes.


That's what I did with mine as well.  Since I owed the government almost exactly what they gave me, as soon as the check cleared into my account, I paid my taxes.  There was just enough left over after paying the taxes to buy a Double Baconator and a sour cream and chive baked potato.  So at least I had that going for me, which was nice.

/Might as well enjoy what little I got from it.
//Wait till next year when they announce that we have to pay all that money back
///Stay well out there.
 
2020-07-11 8:15:02 AM  
You are very correct!
 
2020-07-11 8:20:08 AM  

Another Government Employee: The problem is the school district never formally brought him back on the payroll when he came back from leave, which then led to termination for abandonment. All supervisor said was there was no work.

/ Seen this a lot over the years
// School boards are always looking to screw drivers
/// Until the SB fixes their side, the State has to pursue


Robinfro: Although, (I just re-read the article) as a seasonal school bus employee, in quite a few states school employees and contractors aren't eligible for unemployment. If that's the case in PA he really shouldn't have gotten the UI in the first place.


These posts express insufficient outrage.
 
2020-07-11 8:26:22 AM  

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: I didn't even want the Trump check. Seriously. I was sent one.

/using it to pay IRS taxes.


I bought a new lens and a new smartphone. 1119 euros well spent.
 
2020-07-11 8:26:24 AM  

GoldSpider: Another Government Employee: The problem is the school district never formally brought him back on the payroll when he came back from leave, which then led to termination for abandonment. All supervisor said was there was no work.

/ Seen this a lot over the years
// School boards are always looking to screw drivers
/// Until the SB fixes their side, the State has to pursue

Robinfro: Although, (I just re-read the article) as a seasonal school bus employee, in quite a few states school employees and contractors aren't eligible for unemployment. If that's the case in PA he really shouldn't have gotten the UI in the first place.

These posts express insufficient outrage.


This is more of an SSDD situation than an outrage one. It happened before the 'Rona and it will happen afterwards.
 
2020-07-11 8:38:07 AM  

Sean VasDeferens: jso2897: Who'd you vote for, old white man?
If it was Trump - f**k ya.

Because in your world Trump is in charge of the local bus drivers.  Get help my friend.


We told you what would happen if this idiot got elected - and EVERYTHING we predicted and worse came true.
But now you are going to tell ME that I need help?
People who voted for this toxic toad because they wanted to see him hurt others, and are now finding out that he is hurting "The wrong people" don't deserve any sympathy - how could they possibly?
You are all in complete denial - and it's you who need help.
 
2020-07-11 8:39:28 AM  
Not sure why he would be ruled ineligible unless his employer contested his unemployment.  Here in PA, all employers are given a questionnairre to fill out when an employee files for unemployment.  Things like if there was work available, reason for leaving, callback date, severance, vacation pay, etc.

Also, he can appeal, which he's doing and that means there would be a hearing scheduled with him and the employer.

I'm saying he won't have to payback the money.
 
2020-07-11 8:45:41 AM  
Oh, it's pirate day for me... questionnairrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre.

Not enough r's heh
 
2020-07-11 9:24:51 AM  
As someone who quit one job to open a new business literally days before the lockdown and has been waiting on permits for 3 months while unable to collect unemployment, I feel his pain.
 
2020-07-11 9:45:09 AM  
Ya, that's a fun experience, the person with the final say if you have to or not have to pay it all back is the person in charge of the file.

"So it says here you were claiming your earnings for that week would have been $396, I had to guess a week ahead of time, but when you finally got paid you received $420. Therefor you tried to cheat the system and you owe us the last three months of underemployment along with a penalty."
 
2020-07-11 10:05:12 AM  

Robinfro: Asked what he will do if he has to pay back the $3,084 in benefits, Roman said, "I don't know, really. I'm scared to think that far in advance. "

At 79, I'd "sell" all my shiat to a family member I trust 110% before a lien gets started, sign a $1/yr in perpetuity lease, liquidate all my bank/savings/retirement accounts into cash, and fark the State. Like, right now before they have time to file orders to prevent it.


Depending on state and Medicaid law, you may need to hide it 5 years before you run up a bill.
In PA, your children are financially responsible for some debts even if they live out of state.
 
2020-07-11 10:14:24 AM  
We are sick and twisted nation.

A 79 year old should not have to work at all. I don't care if he never saved for retirement. I don't care if he was irresponsible. I don't care if he earned $250,000 per year and spent $300,000 per year on hookers and cocaine from age 20 to age 70. Assuming he did just that, he worked, he shopped, he put money back into the economy (hookers and dope dealers spend money to) for 50 years. His basic needs should be provided for. Period.
 
2020-07-11 10:20:03 AM  
I getting farking tired of people who wear their masks like this. It's not a fashion accessory; you don't get to wear it however you want to make yourself look cool. Wear it right or lick doorknobs you stupid farking useless wastes of farking biomass. fark
 
2020-07-11 10:22:10 AM  

Robinfro: Asked what he will do if he has to pay back the $3,084 in benefits, Roman said, "I don't know, really. I'm scared to think that far in advance. "

At 79, I'd "sell" all my shiat to a family member I trust 110% before a lien gets started, sign a $1/yr in perpetuity lease, liquidate all my bank/savings/retirement accounts into cash, and fark the State. Like, right now before they have time to file orders to prevent it.


It's the government. They'll deduct money from any benefits check, such as social security retirement, he receives. They will also seize any tax refund he is due.

That said, moving money from his bank accounts to cash cards is an idea worth considering. It's a bit risky. If the card is lost, the money is lost. For now, it can't be garnished though and it's not like he'd be giving up the benefit of great interest payments.
 
2020-07-11 10:25:11 AM  

Robinfro: Although, (I just re-read the article) as a seasonal school bus employee, in quite a few states school employees and contractors aren't eligible for unemployment. If that's the case in PA he really shouldn't have gotten the UI in the first place.


He may still be eligible for the CARES Act federal supplement to UIB like any Uber driver or other gig worker.
 
2020-07-11 10:47:47 AM  

jso2897: Sean VasDeferens: jso2897: Who'd you vote for, old white man?
If it was Trump - f**k ya.

Because in your world Trump is in charge of the local bus drivers.  Get help my friend.

We told you what would happen if this idiot got elected - and EVERYTHING we predicted and worse came true.
But now you are going to tell ME that I need help?
People who voted for this toxic toad because they wanted to see him hurt others, and are now finding out that he is hurting "The wrong people" don't deserve any sympathy - how could they possibly?
You are all in complete denial - and it's you who need help.


I have you marked as a favorite and not in a negative or sarcastic way. I have thought many, many times of putting VasDeferens on ignore. However, this story is not describing anything new. Local school boards have screwed over bus drivers at least since the 1970's - probably longer. State and federal agencies like the SSA and Unemployment offices deem it their first responsibility to deny benefits to as many people as possible. It has always been like that.

I ask you to consider that Trump is merely a symptom of deep, systemic problems. You can't breathe a sigh of relief and sit down to relax when Biden is elected. Too many people did just that when Obama was elected. Membership in Code Pink dropped by more than half. Donations to the ACLU plummeted through the floor, the basement, and kept dropping. Donations to the NAACP dropped. Even food banks and homeless shelters struggled in an awful way as Americans, who were convinced that ridding themselves of Bush the Lesser solved all ills, withdrew from the work of building a better world.

This mass withdrawal helped pave the way to Trump's election. Should Biden be elected, don't fool yourself and think the American people can't whip back again. They can and they will. Don't fool yourself into thinking that the Republican party can't deliver a candidate worse than Trump. They can and they will. Don't fool yourself into thinking that the American people cannot be deceived into voting  for someone worse than Trump. They can and they will because people who are alternately worked like grain in millstone and unemployed; who face repeated evictions and have never known stability; who are more worried about hunger than international policy; and who have been driven to exhaustion for decades are apt to act out of desperation.
 
2020-07-11 11:32:33 AM  
'Asked what he will do if he has to pay back the $3,084 in benefits, Roman said, "I don't know ...." '

Tell them to come and get it. You are 76 years old and need not fear anything at all.
 
2020-07-11 11:59:10 AM  

jso2897: Sean VasDeferens: jso2897: Who'd you vote for, old white man?
If it was Trump - f**k ya.

Because in your world Trump is in charge of the local bus drivers.  Get help my friend.

We told you what would happen if this idiot got elected - and EVERYTHING we predicted and worse came true.
But now you are going to tell ME that I need help?
People who voted for this toxic toad because they wanted to see him hurt others, and are now finding out that he is hurting "The wrong people" don't deserve any sympathy - how could they possibly?
You are all in complete denial - and it's you who need help.


I see your point. Trump totally sets state disability rules and local bus's driver contracts. In fact, I'm sure he's really thought a lot about them and made a lot of changes to them. These are totally not the same rules that have been in place for years.

/don't like trump myself, but get a grip man.
 
2020-07-11 12:00:04 PM  

Bruscar: Robinfro: Although, (I just re-read the article) as a seasonal school bus employee, in quite a few states school employees and contractors aren't eligible for unemployment. If that's the case in PA he really shouldn't have gotten the UI in the first place.

He may still be eligible for the CARES Act federal supplement to UIB like any Uber driver or other gig worker.


Gotta make at least $1 in state UI to qualify for CARES money, but yeah. And especially since he has his CDL. I used to work with a couple of school bus drivers and they'd freelance with a few tour companies in the summer. Paid better in perks like hotel rooms, meals, etc. for whatever destination they were taking Esther and Myrtle to than driving the school bus salary was.
 
2020-07-11 12:01:24 PM  
*yeah, he could claim it as a freelance/gig worker
 
2020-07-11 12:21:40 PM  

Bruscar: We are sick and twisted nation.

A 79 year old should not have to work at all. I don't care if he never saved for retirement. I don't care if he was irresponsible. I don't care if he earned $250,000 per year and spent $300,000 per year on hookers and cocaine from age 20 to age 70. Assuming he did just that, he worked, he shopped, he put money back into the economy (hookers and dope dealers spend money to) for 50 years. His basic needs should be provided for. Period.


That's satanic socialism and makes the baby jeebus cry!
 
2020-07-11 12:21:46 PM  

jso2897: Sean VasDeferens: jso2897: Who'd you vote for, old white man?
If it was Trump - f**k ya.

Because in your world Trump is in charge of the local bus drivers.  Get help my friend.

We told you what would happen if this idiot got elected - and EVERYTHING we predicted and worse came true.
But now you are going to tell ME that I need help?
People who voted for this toxic toad because they wanted to see him hurt others, and are now finding out that he is hurting "The wrong people" don't deserve any sympathy - how could they possibly?
You are all in complete denial - and it's you who need help.


Agreed 100%

And for fun let's look at trumper logic

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2020-07-11 12:29:02 PM  

Robinfro: Bruscar: Robinfro: Although, (I just re-read the article) as a seasonal school bus employee, in quite a few states school employees and contractors aren't eligible for unemployment. If that's the case in PA he really shouldn't have gotten the UI in the first place.

He may still be eligible for the CARES Act federal supplement to UIB like any Uber driver or other gig worker.

Gotta make at least $1 in state UI to qualify for CARES money, but yeah. And especially since he has his CDL. I used to work with a couple of school bus drivers and they'd freelance with a few tour companies in the summer. Paid better in perks like hotel rooms, meals, etc. for whatever destination they were taking Esther and Myrtle to than driving the school bus salary was.


Tour industry is shot I work for one and am off on disability
 
2020-07-11 12:48:50 PM  

Sean VasDeferens: jso2897: Who'd you vote for, old white man?
If it was Trump - f**k ya.

Because in your world Trump is in charge of the local bus drivers.  Get help my friend.


No, I think of it more as a; " if you voted for Trump, you can't be trusted to make decisions in your own best interest, let alone the best interests of those around you. You're a self-centered and stupid pile of sh*t who rejects objective reality are substitutes their own, so f*** those people, they can use bootstraps. There's too many right headed people on this planet for us to waste time and effort worrying about asshats like them."

At least that's how it read to me.
 
2020-07-11 12:59:51 PM  

lynxi: Robinfro: Bruscar: Robinfro: Although, (I just re-read the article) as a seasonal school bus employee, in quite a few states school employees and contractors aren't eligible for unemployment. If that's the case in PA he really shouldn't have gotten the UI in the first place.

He may still be eligible for the CARES Act federal supplement to UIB like any Uber driver or other gig worker.

Gotta make at least $1 in state UI to qualify for CARES money, but yeah. And especially since he has his CDL. I used to work with a couple of school bus drivers and they'd freelance with a few tour companies in the summer. Paid better in perks like hotel rooms, meals, etc. for whatever destination they were taking Esther and Myrtle to than driving the school bus salary was.

Tour industry is shot I work for one and am off on disability


Exactly why the old boy would qualify.
 
2020-07-11 1:25:28 PM  

Another Government Employee: The problem is the school district never formally brought him back on the payroll when he came back from leave, which then led to termination for abandonment. All supervisor said was there was no work.

/ Seen this a lot over the years
// School boards are always looking to screw drivers
/// Until the SB fixes their side, the State has to pursue


Exactly.  The school took the cheap route and didn't bring him back to lay him off.  Unemployment is simply listening to what the school said.
 
2020-07-11 1:50:49 PM  

the unabomber was right: Weird how this guy aged 3 years in the last 6 months. That's some Benjamin Button level shiat, subby


Obviously the subby has the upside down kind of dyslexia.
 
2020-07-11 4:07:33 PM  

Bruscar: We are sick and twisted nation.

A 79 year old should not have to work at all. I don't care if he never saved for retirement. I don't care if he was irresponsible. I don't care if he earned $250,000 per year and spent $300,000 per year on hookers and cocaine from age 20 to age 70. Assuming he did just that, he worked, he shopped, he put money back into the economy (hookers and dope dealers spend money to) for 50 years. His basic needs should be provided for. Period.


If he did those things, he'd have a really good social security benefit. In fact, it's likely he qualifies for social security now, regardless of what he did. Some people just want to keep working, and good for them.
 
2020-07-11 8:40:58 PM  

alex10294: I see your point. Trump totally sets state disability rules and local bus's driver contracts. In fact, I'm sure he's really thought a lot about them and made a lot of changes to them. These are totally not the same rules that have been in place for years.

/don't like trump myself, but get a grip man.


He doesn't set those kind of rules, but his epic incompetence combined with his criminal negligence is largely to blame for cratering the economy.  If he had taken covid seriously from the beginning the economic impact would have been significantly reduced and millions of the people who are unemployed today wouldn't have lost their jobs and wouldn't be in the position they are right now.

The 24/7 "democratic/chinese hoax", openly disagreeing with any and all CDC recommendations, refusal to wear a mask and being PROUDLY defiant about only emboldens all the Karens in his base going out of their way to infect everyone and everything they touch. Trump is directly responsible for the thousands of totally avoidable deaths and we are nowhere near the end of this cluserfark.
 
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