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2020-07-10 2:28:21 PM  
Yep, they're wrong. Mahonmes does have "outs" in the contract. There are several dates where they have to pay him a huge bonus or release him.
 
2020-07-10 3:07:44 PM  

bingethinker: Yep, they're wrong. Mahonmes does have "outs" in the contract. There are several dates where they have to pay him a huge bonus or release him.


The Chiefs have outs. Mahomes doesn't.

All the control and power on this deal is with the chiefs

This is a terrible deal for Mahomes, and a stunningly good deal for the Chiefs
 
2020-07-10 3:28:29 PM  
Whatever keeps Mahomes and Reid together with the opportunity for KC to build and rebuild a roster is the best deal.
 
2020-07-10 3:37:20 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: Whatever keeps Mahomes and Reid together with the opportunity for KC to build and rebuild a roster is the best deal.


For who?
 
2020-07-10 3:39:33 PM  
Is Rob Parker still falsely accusing QBs and getting fired from major media outlets?
 
2020-07-10 3:43:27 PM  
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2020-07-10 4:02:04 PM  

Gubbo: Nana's Vibrator: Whatever keeps Mahomes and Reid together with the opportunity for KC to build and rebuild a roster is the best deal.

For who?


Anyone who likes Kansas City
 
2020-07-10 4:03:09 PM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: Is Rob Parker still falsely accusing QBs and getting fired from major media outlets?


It's almost as if Zombie Deadspin is desperate for content and anyone with even a modicum of name recognition, even if that name recognition is, "Not this asshole again."
 
2020-07-10 4:23:57 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: Gubbo: Nana's Vibrator: Whatever keeps Mahomes and Reid together with the opportunity for KC to build and rebuild a roster is the best deal.

For who?

Anyone who likes Kansas City


How noble of Mahomes to sacrifice for the team, and for the team to make no sacrifices for him.
 
2020-07-10 4:28:45 PM  
No deal that guarantees you $141 million is a bad deal.  Mahomes wants championships and this contract keeps him in KC and helps the team build around him.  Any money he "loses" he'll more than make up in endorsements and free bbq.
 
2020-07-10 4:35:18 PM  

Gubbo: Nana's Vibrator: Gubbo: Nana's Vibrator: Whatever keeps Mahomes and Reid together with the opportunity for KC to build and rebuild a roster is the best deal.

For who?

Anyone who likes Kansas City

How noble of Mahomes to sacrifice for the team, and for the team to make no sacrifices for him.


Depends on his goal - top Money or rings.  In a salary cap league, you get one and not the other.  I don't think there's a person in the world who buys tickets to watch Mahomes's bank account.
 
2020-07-10 4:36:12 PM  
FWIW, Andrew Brandt (former packers exec, current professor) also thinks the Chiefs got the much better part of the deal. So this view is not unique.
 
2020-07-10 4:48:40 PM  

Mentat: No deal that guarantees you $141 million is a bad deal.  Mahomes wants championships and this contract keeps him in KC and helps the team build around him.  Any money he "loses" he'll more than make up in endorsements and free bbq.


In this case, it very much is a bad deal.
 
2020-07-10 4:50:52 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: Gubbo: Nana's Vibrator: Gubbo: Nana's Vibrator: Whatever keeps Mahomes and Reid together with the opportunity for KC to build and rebuild a roster is the best deal.

For who?

Anyone who likes Kansas City

How noble of Mahomes to sacrifice for the team, and for the team to make no sacrifices for him.

Depends on his goal - top Money or rings.  In a salary cap league, you get one and not the other.  I don't think there's a person in the world who buys tickets to watch Mahomes's bank account.


So mahomes wants to take less. Ok, I respect that. What did he get for it.

A fully guaranteed short term deal? Nope

Some contract outs that he controls? Nope

A guarantee that he will be surrounded by top talent and that the team will spend every penny in the cape? Nope.
 
2020-07-10 4:51:55 PM  

Cokezeroinacan: FWIW, Andrew Brandt (former packers exec, current professor) also thinks the Chiefs got the much better part of the deal. So this view is not unique.


Reading between the lines, he thinks Mahomes agent was a moron who let himself and his client get seduced by the thought, but not the guarantee, of half a billion dollars.
 
2020-07-10 4:56:16 PM  
I've seen many people have the same take. Just because the contract is big doesn't make it good, especially for the amount guaranteed. Mahomes, believe it or not, should have had a much better deal
 
2020-07-10 5:01:41 PM  

TDWCom29: I've seen many people have the same take. Just because the contract is big doesn't make it good, especially for the amount guaranteed. Mahomes, believe it or not, should have had a much better deal


If every penny was guaranteed, well, it wouldn't be so bad.

It would still be bad signing such a long term deal at his age, but it wouldn't be terrible.

In 4 years when he's the best qb in the league, and the 9th highest annual salary and still has 6 years left, let's see how it plays out.
 
2020-07-10 5:02:17 PM  

Gubbo: Nana's Vibrator: Gubbo: Nana's Vibrator: Gubbo: Nana's Vibrator: Whatever keeps Mahomes and Reid together with the opportunity for KC to build and rebuild a roster is the best deal.

For who?

Anyone who likes Kansas City

How noble of Mahomes to sacrifice for the team, and for the team to make no sacrifices for him.

Depends on his goal - top Money or rings.  In a salary cap league, you get one and not the other.  I don't think there's a person in the world who buys tickets to watch Mahomes's bank account.

So mahomes wants to take less. Ok, I respect that. What did he get for it.

A fully guaranteed short term deal? Nope

Some contract outs that he controls? Nope

A guarantee that he will be surrounded by top talent and that the team will spend every penny in the cape? Nope.


It's the bonus guarantee and restructuring every few years that dictates his tenure and success and the team's ability to surround him.

Nobody ever guarantees #3.  Sometimes, rest his soul, you get Reche Caldwell.
 
2020-07-10 5:05:04 PM  
yes this deal is not the "best" Mahomes  could have gotten and yes it favors the CHiefs a bit more than it ought to  but it is not a bad contract it is a smart one.    It's not perfect but it has the potential to help Mahomes and KC win more championships.
 
2020-07-10 5:07:49 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: Gubbo: Nana's Vibrator: Gubbo: Nana's Vibrator: Gubbo: Nana's Vibrator: Whatever keeps Mahomes and Reid together with the opportunity for KC to build and rebuild a roster is the best deal.

For who?

Anyone who likes Kansas City

How noble of Mahomes to sacrifice for the team, and for the team to make no sacrifices for him.

Depends on his goal - top Money or rings.  In a salary cap league, you get one and not the other.  I don't think there's a person in the world who buys tickets to watch Mahomes's bank account.

So mahomes wants to take less. Ok, I respect that. What did he get for it.

A fully guaranteed short term deal? Nope

Some contract outs that he controls? Nope

A guarantee that he will be surrounded by top talent and that the team will spend every penny in the cape? Nope.

It's the bonus guarantee and restructuring every few years that dictates his tenure and success and the team's ability to surround him.

Nobody ever guarantees #3.  Sometimes, rest his soul, you get Reche Caldwell.


Don't call glorified roster bonuses guarantees. Especially with nobody entirely sure on how they are going to work.

I think we can all agree he is shaping up to be a supreme qb talent. And he sold himself very short on this deal with, as you say, no guarantee that he'll have a great team around him because of it
 
2020-07-10 5:09:18 PM  

grimlock1972: yes this deal is not the "best" Mahomes  could have gotten and yes it favors the CHiefs a bit more than it ought to  but it is not a bad contract it is a smart one.    It's not perfect but it has the potential to help Mahomes and KC win more championships.


Please explain, from the perspective of Mahomes, why a 10 year extension keeping him under contract for all his prime years and ensuring he'll never get close to free agency and full market value is smart.

Is there something I'm not understanding in this deal that makes it smart for him?
 
2020-07-10 5:23:38 PM  
I thought ten years was too long.  remember how RGIII, Cam Newton, Trubisky, Mayfield (just to name a few) was going to be a franchise QB?  what if Mahomes regresses (unlikely, but you never know)?  I think a 5-6 year deal would have been smarter.  yeah lock him up in his prime, but they're banking on  him being the next Brady / Brees, and you never know.

(yes i know they can cut him anytime.  but that kinda proves my point - why lock yourself in for that long?

and i'm not saing "OH MY GOD WORST CONTRACT EVER", just ten years is a long, long farkign time by NFL measures.
 
2020-07-10 5:26:56 PM  

Gubbo: grimlock1972: yes this deal is not the "best" Mahomes  could have gotten and yes it favors the CHiefs a bit more than it ought to  but it is not a bad contract it is a smart one.    It's not perfect but it has the potential to help Mahomes and KC win more championships.

Please explain, from the perspective of Mahomes, why a 10 year extension keeping him under contract for all his prime years and ensuring he'll never get close to free agency and full market value is smart.

Is there something I'm not understanding in this deal that makes it smart for him?


It is smart as it gives him his best chance to helm a dynasty as the more money he takes of the cap the less KC has to build around him.  Hopefully KC does not screw the pooch on doing just that.  That said I do agree a lot more of the money should have been guaranteed.
 
2020-07-10 5:28:31 PM  

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2020-07-10 5:30:14 PM  

grimlock1972: Gubbo: grimlock1972: yes this deal is not the "best" Mahomes  could have gotten and yes it favors the CHiefs a bit more than it ought to  but it is not a bad contract it is a smart one.    It's not perfect but it has the potential to help Mahomes and KC win more championships.

Please explain, from the perspective of Mahomes, why a 10 year extension keeping him under contract for all his prime years and ensuring he'll never get close to free agency and full market value is smart.

Is there something I'm not understanding in this deal that makes it smart for him?

It is smart as it gives him his best chance to helm a dynasty as the more money he takes of the cap the less KC has to build around him.  Hopefully KC does not screw the pooch on doing just that.  That said I do agree a lot more of the money should have been guaranteed.


If it's smart for him to take less money, why won't everyone else take less money to try and ensure a dynasty. But, your answer was really from the perspective of the team and the fan at home. It's certainly a great deal for the Chiefs, nobody denying that.

What made it a smart deal for Mahomes though. What did he get in exchange for giving up his prime years. No full guarantee, no mechanism to keep him in the top X paid QBs, no opt-out clauses, hell the upfront signing bonus apparently isn't even all that big.
 
2020-07-10 5:50:25 PM  
ONLY $63 million of fully guaranteed money at signing and $141 million in injury guarantees. That's tiny.

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2020-07-10 5:52:28 PM  

iamskibibitz: ONLY $63 million of fully guaranteed money at signing and $141 million in injury guarantees. That's tiny.

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On a "500 million" deal. That is tiny.
 
2020-07-10 5:53:44 PM  

Gubbo: grimlock1972: Gubbo: grimlock1972: yes this deal is not the "best" Mahomes  could have gotten and yes it favors the CHiefs a bit more than it ought to  but it is not a bad contract it is a smart one.    It's not perfect but it has the potential to help Mahomes and KC win more championships.

Please explain, from the perspective of Mahomes, why a 10 year extension keeping him under contract for all his prime years and ensuring he'll never get close to free agency and full market value is smart.

Is there something I'm not understanding in this deal that makes it smart for him?

It is smart as it gives him his best chance to helm a dynasty as the more money he takes of the cap the less KC has to build around him.  Hopefully KC does not screw the pooch on doing just that.  That said I do agree a lot more of the money should have been guaranteed.

If it's smart for him to take less money, why won't everyone else take less money to try and ensure a dynasty. But, your answer was really from the perspective of the team and the fan at home. It's certainly a great deal for the Chiefs, nobody denying that.

What made it a smart deal for Mahomes though. What did he get in exchange for giving up his prime years. No full guarantee, no mechanism to keep him in the top X paid QBs, no opt-out clauses, hell the upfront signing bonus apparently isn't even all that big.


It is smart for Mahomes as it gives his best shot at a HOF career.   One Superbowl championship is not enough to get in the hall of fame, Certainly if he keeps playing like has he will get in but by taking a smaller piece of the pie ( I do agree it's smaller and with less guarantees and control than he should have gotten ) it gives him the opportunity to have more tools provided to him in the form of  skilled players which should help him stay on top.


That said I will agree the contract is too long  and too slanted to the Chiefs.     The end though Mahomes was happy enough with it to sign and that's is all that matters.
 
2020-07-10 5:55:04 PM  

Gubbo: Nana's Vibrator: Gubbo: Nana's Vibrator: Gubbo: Nana's Vibrator: Gubbo: Nana's Vibrator: Whatever keeps Mahomes and Reid together with the opportunity for KC to build and rebuild a roster is the best deal.

For who?

Anyone who likes Kansas City

How noble of Mahomes to sacrifice for the team, and for the team to make no sacrifices for him.

Depends on his goal - top Money or rings.  In a salary cap league, you get one and not the other.  I don't think there's a person in the world who buys tickets to watch Mahomes's bank account.

So mahomes wants to take less. Ok, I respect that. What did he get for it.

A fully guaranteed short term deal? Nope

Some contract outs that he controls? Nope

A guarantee that he will be surrounded by top talent and that the team will spend every penny in the cape? Nope.

It's the bonus guarantee and restructuring every few years that dictates his tenure and success and the team's ability to surround him.

Nobody ever guarantees #3.  Sometimes, rest his soul, you get Reche Caldwell.

Don't call glorified roster bonuses guarantees. Especially with nobody entirely sure on how they are going to work.

I think we can all agree he is shaping up to be a supreme qb talent. And he sold himself very short on this deal with, as you say, no guarantee that he'll have a great team around him because of it


I'll stop at this - if his bonus(es) is/are somehow not guaranteed, because they always are, then his agent is dumb, yes.

Bonuses make up the guaranteed portion of the contract, the pay schedule is unknown but it can be back-loaded, but with its value spread over the life of the contract for cap purposes.  if they decide to cut him the cap hit is accellerated - this is where the leverage comes in to renegotiate with adjusted extensions and extended bonuses rather than play out the whole contract.

Almost nobody does it this way but it's usually only a quarterback that has the ability to make a team-crippling salary with great longevity, and at that very few quarterbacks have an ability that warrants this.

IF (big IF) Mahomes and Reid did this thing right and their personnel department holds up their end with good roster replenishment, Kansas City is around for awhile.
 
2020-07-10 5:57:53 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: I'll stop at this - if his bonus(es) is/are somehow not guaranteed, because they always are, then his agent is dumb, yes.

Bonuses make up the guaranteed portion of the contract, the pay schedule is unknown but it can be back-loaded, but with its value spread over the life of the contract for cap purposes.  if they decide to cut him the cap hit is accellerated - this is where the leverage comes in to renegotiate with adjusted extensions and extended bonuses rather than play out the whole contract.

Almost nobody does it this way but it's usually only a quarterback that has the ability to make a team-crippling salary with great longevity, and at that very few quarterbacks have an ability that warrants this.

IF (big IF) Mahomes and Reid did this thing right and their personnel department holds up their end with good roster replenishment, Kansas City is around for awhile.


It's the NFL. Your guarantees are the ones called guarantees. This "guarantee mechanism" is a code for fancy roster bonus, and means if you get cut, you're getting none of that. It isn't a real guarantee.
 
2020-07-10 5:59:52 PM  

grimlock1972: It is smart for Mahomes as it gives his best shot at a HOF career.   One Superbowl championship is not enough to get in the hall of fame, Certainly if he keeps playing like has he will get in but by taking a smaller piece of the pie ( I do agree it's smaller and with less guarantees and control than he should have gotten ) it gives him the opportunity to have more tools provided to him in the form of  skilled players which should help him stay on top.


That said I will agree the contract is too long  and too slanted to the Chiefs.     The end though Mahomes was happy enough with it to sign and that's is all that matters.


I don't agree with any of this. There's no guarantee that the Chiefs will use the cap savings to surround with him better talent, or even that they spend all of the cap.

And he might be happy now, but in 8 years when he's the 23rd best paid qb in the league and still has years left on his deal will he still be happy?
 
2020-07-10 6:48:51 PM  

bhcompy: [Fark user image image 174x62]

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Most sports analysts, commentators and writers are bound to sometimes be wrong.

I've yet to come across someone more systematically, sensationally wrong than Rob Parker.

/can't understand how Chris Broussard manage to stand working with him f
 
2020-07-10 7:10:16 PM  

Social Justice Warlock: bhcompy: [Fark user image image 174x62]

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Most sports analysts, commentators and writers are bound to sometimes be wrong.

I've yet to come across someone more systematically, sensationally wrong than Rob Parker.

/can't understand how Chris Broussard manage to stand working with him f


Well, Jason Whitlock served as the Fox Sports version of Juan Williams for a while, but, yea, Rob's pretty bad.  Broussard's had his own struggles, but his stuff is mostly just the fact that he has no sources but claims that he does, where Rob's problems are on the issues like here.
 
2020-07-10 7:57:52 PM  
Google "Rob Parker Kirk Cousins Michigan State" for a phenomenal example of why he's such an awful person.
 
2020-07-10 8:36:09 PM  

Gubbo: grimlock1972: It is smart for Mahomes as it gives his best shot at a HOF career.   One Superbowl championship is not enough to get in the hall of fame, Certainly if he keeps playing like has he will get in but by taking a smaller piece of the pie ( I do agree it's smaller and with less guarantees and control than he should have gotten ) it gives him the opportunity to have more tools provided to him in the form of  skilled players which should help him stay on top.


That said I will agree the contract is too long  and too slanted to the Chiefs.     The end though Mahomes was happy enough with it to sign and that's is all that matters.

I don't agree with any of this. There's no guarantee that the Chiefs will use the cap savings to surround with him better talent, or even that they spend all of the cap.

And he might be happy now, but in 8 years when he's the 23rd best paid qb in the league and still has years left on his deal will he still be happy?


I'd expect by then he would have renegotiated his contract but i suppose time will tell.
 
2020-07-10 9:13:15 PM  
Gubbo:

And he might be happy now, but in 8 years when he's the 23rd best paid qb in the league and still has years left on his deal will he still be happy?


Tom Brady gave the Patriots a discount for two decades, allowing them to consistently compete for the Superbowl.  Between $60m and $100m over the years.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tom-b​r​ady-contract-discounts-patriots-bargai​n-2018-7#


Maybe Mahomes is made of the same cloth?  He wants to win games more than make money for his agent and investment banker?
 
2020-07-10 9:45:54 PM  

Brokenseas: Gubbo:

And he might be happy now, but in 8 years when he's the 23rd best paid qb in the league and still has years left on his deal will he still be happy?


Tom Brady gave the Patriots a discount for two decades, allowing them to consistently compete for the Superbowl.  Between $60m and $100m over the years.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tom-br​ady-contract-discounts-patriots-bargai​n-2018-7#


Maybe Mahomes is made of the same cloth?  He wants to win games more than make money for his agent and investment banker?


I don't buy into the concept that QBs taking cheap deals results in better talent around them.

The Patriots success was 1/3 Brady, 1/3 Bellicheck and 1/3 always getting rid of a player 1 year too early rather than 1 year too late.

Plus, look at those Brady teams and tell me where the money that was saved on Brady went. Which array of superstars were on the team with him.
 
2020-07-10 9:47:07 PM  

grimlock1972: Gubbo: grimlock1972: It is smart for Mahomes as it gives his best shot at a HOF career.   One Superbowl championship is not enough to get in the hall of fame, Certainly if he keeps playing like has he will get in but by taking a smaller piece of the pie ( I do agree it's smaller and with less guarantees and control than he should have gotten ) it gives him the opportunity to have more tools provided to him in the form of  skilled players which should help him stay on top.


That said I will agree the contract is too long  and too slanted to the Chiefs.     The end though Mahomes was happy enough with it to sign and that's is all that matters.

I don't agree with any of this. There's no guarantee that the Chiefs will use the cap savings to surround with him better talent, or even that they spend all of the cap.

And he might be happy now, but in 8 years when he's the 23rd best paid qb in the league and still has years left on his deal will he still be happy?

I'd expect by then he would have renegotiated his contract but i suppose time will tell.


His deal will be renegotiated when the Chiefs want to do it.

Not when he wants to do it.
 
2020-07-10 11:31:16 PM  
Not giving them clicks and when I go back for Burneko's foodspin articles it's in incognito mode.
 
2020-07-11 4:30:48 AM  
Lots of people, that are not KC fans, are mad a deal was made that is not going to handicap the team for the duration of the contract. That's all this noise is about.

Do you really think he is not aware he could have gotten "better"?

I look at it as an old school mentality. He wants to stick to his team, long term.

In this time frame that is highly respectable.
 
2020-07-11 11:00:30 AM  

bhcompy: Social Justice Warlock: bhcompy: [Fark user image image 174x62]

[Fark user image image 215x234]

Most sports analysts, commentators and writers are bound to sometimes be wrong.

I've yet to come across someone more systematically, sensationally wrong than Rob Parker.

/can't understand how Chris Broussard manage to stand working with him f

Well, Jason Whitlock served as the Fox Sports version of Juan Williams for a while, but, yea, Rob's pretty bad.  Broussard's had his own struggles, but his stuff is mostly just the fact that he has no sources but claims that he does, where Rob's problems are on the issues like here.


Broussard is also a homophobic piece of shiat, so he's got that going for him.
 
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