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(CBC)   Canadian Tories ask police for a criminal investigation of PM Trudeau after it emerges that a charity his government awarded a no-bid $900m contract to had paid hundreds of thousands to his mother, brother, and wife   (cbc.ca) divider line
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Juc [recently expired TotalFark]
2020-07-10 12:18:10 PM  
I'm more weirded out by the no-bid contract than by folks being paid for speaking engagements.
If you got connections to a group, recuse yourself from the whole process and/or make sure it's not a no-bid contract.
Of course investigating him might end up being a waste of money but sure investigate away, and if he did something wrong he should be accountable.

but of course people get paid for holding lectures, don't really see why the outrage on that.

Trudeau is such a doof at times. For someone who spent his entire life in politics he sure has some ridiculous lapses in judgement at times.
 
2020-07-10 12:21:00 PM  
Watch them say "soory" and give it all back.
 
2020-07-10 12:36:42 PM  
Oh, he was just pulling a Trump. I checked the rates of payment and they were usual and normal. A few thousand per speech, except Momsey got more because she is a celebrity in her own right from the Rolling Stone days.

Trudeau could argue that he sent this family members to do the job because he didn't have the time as PM, and he could trust them to represent him personally and politically. Also, what about all the other politicians who have their offices stuffed fulled of nephews, nieces, sons, daughters, wives, etc, as well as other politician's families?

If everybody does it, it is hardly a crime, just business as usual, eh, Mr. Trump? I notice you stuffed your daughter and son-in-law into the White House, are in constant communication with your businesses through the two stupid ones, and that millions of travel expenses have been enjoyed by you and your family members since 2015 at least, when your campaign was heavy with nepotism and backsheesh for all.

Emoluments clause, biatch. It's not just for deep staters. It's for the officers of the state from the President to the  officials who actually do the work at international conferences before the polticians parachute in for photoops and fancy banquets in the poorest countries of the world.

I know how that works. I worked for and with many of these people in my day. Liberals, Tories and miscellanious critters of that ilk.

It's not corruption if you make it legal. That's why over half of Parliament are lawyers and most of the rest are business critters.
 
2020-07-10 12:39:03 PM  
Second generation rich. Bah, humbug! They are the stupidest generation except for some of the ravers in the third and fourth, but by then, aristocracy is beginning to replace the original generation of kleptocrats, gangsters and plutocratic grabby handz.

The Trumps are an exception. Nearly all of the generations have been corrupt, stupid, vainglorious, ignent, and German-Scots-Irish peasants.
 
2020-07-10 12:41:33 PM  
Only the Hiltons rival the Trumps in terms of money made in shady places with shady friends. Whorehouses, saloons and "restaurants" that offer "champagne" and rooms by the hour and the night. Even Edith Wharton was not oblious to these people, although her women are genteel about cadging stock market tips from their "lovers" and "patrons".
 
2020-07-10 12:44:24 PM  
Read "oblivious" for oblious,er obvious?
 
2020-07-10 12:47:26 PM  
Are you oblivious?
Are you obvious?
Are you prone to obloquy?
Are you obstuctive?
Are you obdurate? obese? obfuscating?

You sir, must be a Trump or Trumper at least.
 
2020-07-10 1:07:00 PM  
Not his finest move and its painfully obvious he should not have been involved at all, let alone tried to no-bid that kind of thing knowing what he knows about the connections with his family and how that'd look. But for the PC party to try and act all holier-then-thou about playing fast & loose with political power brokering based on personal friendships is laughable.
 
2020-07-10 1:16:27 PM  

Juc: I'm more weirded out by the no-bid contract than by folks being paid for speaking engagements.
If you got connections to a group, recuse yourself from the whole process and/or make sure it's not a no-bid contract.
Of course investigating him might end up being a waste of money but sure investigate away, and if he did something wrong he should be accountable.

but of course people get paid for holding lectures, don't really see why the outrage on that.

Trudeau is such a doof at times. For someone who spent his entire life in politics he sure has some ridiculous lapses in judgement at times.


A transparent sole source contracts are not that unusual especially if there is a valid explanation.  If an organization was doing work on a subject (e.g., MADD against drunk driving) and the Government wanted to invest in public service announcements against drunk drinking, it would not be unusual to sole source it to them rather than have a full competitive process.

Sounds like the organisation is acting as an intermediary and not keeping the money.   However, Trudeau has been f$cking crooked on this type of shiat before so that is a possibility.
 
2020-07-10 1:21:16 PM  
Yup, farked up big time.
 
2020-07-10 1:32:27 PM  
Juc:
Trudeau is such a doof at times. For someone who spent his entire life in politics he sure has some ridiculous lapses in judgement at times.

Yeah, its really too bad.  He's quite likeable, and a good public face to the world as the anti-trump. He generally makes the right call on things, but just can't keep stupid avoidable scandals away.

I still won't vote for the cons, but maybe he should step down after covid is done and become an ambassador or something.
 
2020-07-10 1:38:31 PM  

Lord Bear: Juc:
Trudeau is such a doof at times. For someone who spent his entire life in politics he sure has some ridiculous lapses in judgement at times.

Yeah, its really too bad.  He's quite likeable, and a good public face to the world as the anti-trump. He generally makes the right call on things, but just can't keep stupid avoidable scandals away.

I still won't vote for the cons, but maybe he should step down after covid is done and become an ambassador or something.


I quite like Chrystia Freeland as his replacement.
 
2020-07-10 1:41:22 PM  
He needs to resign and get a low-profile job as a crack smoking mayor in Alberta.
 
2020-07-10 1:41:37 PM  
i yearn for the days that our president swindled only 900m.
 
2020-07-10 1:42:13 PM  
#3 ethics violation... should have been done at one
 
2020-07-10 1:42:42 PM  
If this topples a government while the head of our government literally asked for a political favor from a Diplomatic ally in exchange for aid and got no punishment then I'm going to scream into the void
 
2020-07-10 1:43:24 PM  
In Canada, this is probably an earth-shattering scandal that threatens the very foundations of the nation. In America, it's just Friday. . . afternoon.
 
2020-07-10 1:44:57 PM  
Typical overreach.  Instead of actually looking into this the Conservatives ask for a police investigation.

Speaking fees make this interesting, on the one hand getting the contract looks suspicious but on the other even if he wasn't PM people would still pay to hear his mother speak.

I think he should recuse himself from these decisions, but charities also shouldn't be punished for being well connected.
 
2020-07-10 1:45:00 PM  

cepson: In Canada, this is probably an earth-shattering scandal that threatens the very foundations of the nation. In America, it's just Friday. . . afternoon.


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2020-07-10 1:45:42 PM  
So that's what Ivanka sees in him.
 
2020-07-10 1:45:43 PM  
I just said to Mr. Slaur last week how relieved (and frankly surprised) I was that Mags had pretty much kept out of the public eye.
Sigh.
 
2020-07-10 1:47:53 PM  

Aar1012: If this topples a government while the head of our government literally asked for a political favor from a Diplomatic ally in exchange for aid and got no punishment then I'm going to scream into the void


It won't.  The Liberal party is very popular right now, a snap election would almost certainly give them a huge majority.

The Conservatives can't find a way to silence the social conservatives and the NDP can't seem to find a coherent message with Trudeau constantly outflanking them to the left on social values.
 
2020-07-10 1:48:24 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Not his finest move and its painfully obvious he should not have been involved at all, let alone tried to no-bid that kind of thing knowing what he knows about the connections with his family and how that'd look. But for the PC party to try and act all holier-then-thou about playing fast & loose with political power brokering based on personal friendships is laughable.


They aren't playing holier than thou, they are playing the opposition. NDP should have been calling on this as well. Problem is their warchest isn't full yet so they don't want to rock the boat too much.

NeedlesslyCanadian: Lord Bear: Juc:
Trudeau is such a doof at times. For someone who spent his entire life in politics he sure has some ridiculous lapses in judgement at times.

Yeah, its really too bad.  He's quite likeable, and a good public face to the world as the anti-trump. He generally makes the right call on things, but just can't keep stupid avoidable scandals away.

I still won't vote for the cons, but maybe he should step down after covid is done and become an ambassador or something.

I quite like Chrystia Freeland as his replacement.


Much more qualified in my humble opinion. Just hate the nasal sniff whenever she talks but for a flaw that is a pretty lame flaw.
 
2020-07-10 1:48:27 PM  
I've no understanding of Candian Government.  Does the PM have any say over what charities receive what money?
 
2020-07-10 1:48:51 PM  
Meh, he's had  a 5 year+ run what exactly did you expect?
 
2020-07-10 1:49:35 PM  

mrshowrules: Juc: I'm more weirded out by the no-bid contract than by folks being paid for speaking engagements.
If you got connections to a group, recuse yourself from the whole process and/or make sure it's not a no-bid contract.
Of course investigating him might end up being a waste of money but sure investigate away, and if he did something wrong he should be accountable.

but of course people get paid for holding lectures, don't really see why the outrage on that.

Trudeau is such a doof at times. For someone who spent his entire life in politics he sure has some ridiculous lapses in judgement at times.

A transparent sole source contracts are not that unusual especially if there is a valid explanation.  If an organization was doing work on a subject (e.g., MADD against drunk driving) and the Government wanted to invest in public service announcements against drunk drinking, it would not be unusual to sole source it to them rather than have a full competitive process.

Sounds like the organisation is acting as an intermediary and not keeping the money.   However, Trudeau has been f$cking crooked on this type of shiat before so that is a possibility.


Plus the Canadian Government is quite adept at writing contracts to make sure they get who they want.
 
Juc [recently expired TotalFark]
2020-07-10 1:50:12 PM  

Subtonic: He needs to resign and get a low-profile job as a crack smoking mayor in Alberta.


I dunno that's a Toronto thing, and the only thing people in Alberta hate more than Trudeau is Toronto.
 
2020-07-10 1:50:31 PM  

Lord Bear: Juc:
Trudeau is such a doof at times. For someone who spent his entire life in politics he sure has some ridiculous lapses in judgement at times.

Yeah, its really too bad.  He's quite likeable, and a good public face to the world as the anti-trump. He generally makes the right call on things, but just can't keep stupid avoidable scandals away.

I still won't vote for the cons, but maybe he should step down after covid is done and become an ambassador or something.


Rumour is he's pushing for UN Sec General.
 
2020-07-10 1:50:53 PM  

wildsnowllama: I've no understanding of Candian Government.  Does the PM have any say over what charities receive what money?


Not directly, but he's still responsible for what his administration does.
 
2020-07-10 1:50:57 PM  
Hah! Our political controversies are so boring.
OOOoooooOooo a politician used their position of power and influence to line their pockets. STOP THE PRESSES.
LOL I love Canada.
 
2020-07-10 1:51:29 PM  

raius: Typical overreach.  Instead of actually looking into this the Conservatives ask for a police investigation.


Scheer is looking to sensationalize this as much as he can and police investigations are a lot sexier than Parliamentary proceedings.
 
2020-07-10 1:52:21 PM  
Goddamnit.

The Liberals get caught sticking their dick is the mashed potatoes AGAIN, and you want to give them the slap they so richly deserve, but then you look at who is waiting in the wings, and that's objectively worse in every way.  And no, Mr. Singh, Mr. Layton or Mr. Broadbent could have taken advantage of this, but you are neither of them.
 
2020-07-10 1:52:32 PM  

brainlordmesomorph: Watch them say "soory" and give it all back.


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2020-07-10 1:52:53 PM  

Juc: Subtonic: He needs to resign and get a low-profile job as a crack smoking mayor in Alberta.

I dunno that's a Toronto thing, and the only thing people in Alberta hate more than Trudeau is Toronto.


Might work if he switches to meth.
 
2020-07-10 1:53:05 PM  
Aw, but he's so handsome.
 
2020-07-10 1:53:23 PM  

Flappyhead: raius: Typical overreach.  Instead of actually looking into this the Conservatives ask for a police investigation.

Scheer is looking to sensationalize this as much as he can and police investigations are a lot sexier than Parliamentary proceedings.


Which only plays into the Liberals hand by turning off the middle and helping incite the people who really hate Trudeau.

Barely a peep from them about the guy who tried to assassinate Trudeau for being a communist though.
 
2020-07-10 1:53:32 PM  
milk in a bag.....A BAG!
 
2020-07-10 1:54:46 PM  
Eww! Justin Trudeau caught Ivanka cooties.

I'm sorry.
 
2020-07-10 1:55:04 PM  
Here in USA, this seems so quaint.  Like a parent/umpire giving a kid who struck out in T-ball an extra swing.

Wow, I actually typed "here in USA."  I guess I'm trying to sound Russian so I'll fit in.
 
2020-07-10 1:55:18 PM  

brainlordmesomorph: Watch them say "soory" and give it all back.


It's pronounced "sore-y."

Soory is Tom Cruise's kid.
 
2020-07-10 1:56:38 PM  

raius: Aar1012: If this topples a government while the head of our government literally asked for a political favor from a Diplomatic ally in exchange for aid and got no punishment then I'm going to scream into the void

It won't.  The Liberal party is very popular right now, a snap election would almost certainly give them a huge majority.

The Conservatives can't find a way to silence the social conservatives and the NDP can't seem to find a coherent message with Trudeau constantly outflanking them to the left on social values.


The popularity is because of how the government has handled Covid although funny thing is these policies were put in place under Harper. Dr Tam was part of the team setup under that government post-SARS knowing full well this was coming down the pipe. The two things that Trudeau handled well was his daily briefings which really could have been weekly looking at how often what was said changed over time and more importantly not pulling a Trump and undoing what was done in the previous government. Take Covid out of the picture, you have 2.5 western provinces who feel very isolated regarding their placement in Canada as we are about to walk into a recession.
All that said if Scheer had been PM it would have been a total shiat show he doesn't have the charisma for the job let alone the fact he is a total icky person
 
2020-07-10 2:02:33 PM  

MedianJoe: milk in a bag.....A BAG!


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2020-07-10 2:05:10 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Not his finest move and its painfully obvious he should not have been involved at all, let alone tried to no-bid that kind of thing knowing what he knows about the connections with his family and how that'd look. But for the PC party to try and act all holier-then-thou about playing fast & loose with political power brokering based on personal friendships is laughable.


So you're saying both sides are bad...
 
2020-07-10 2:06:09 PM  

rikkards: raius: Aar1012: If this topples a government while the head of our government literally asked for a political favor from a Diplomatic ally in exchange for aid and got no punishment then I'm going to scream into the void

It won't.  The Liberal party is very popular right now, a snap election would almost certainly give them a huge majority.

The Conservatives can't find a way to silence the social conservatives and the NDP can't seem to find a coherent message with Trudeau constantly outflanking them to the left on social values.

The popularity is because of how the government has handled Covid although funny thing is these policies were put in place under Harper. Dr Tam was part of the team setup under that government post-SARS knowing full well this was coming down the pipe. The two things that Trudeau handled well was his daily briefings which really could have been weekly looking at how often what was said changed over time and more importantly not pulling a Trump and undoing what was done in the previous government. Take Covid out of the picture, you have 2.5 western provinces who feel very isolated regarding their placement in Canada as we are about to walk into a recession.
All that said if Scheer had been PM it would have been a total shiat show he doesn't have the charisma for the job let alone the fact he is a total icky person


Oh for sure that's a part of it.  The response has been largely favourable, but the Conservatives who are the only real viable alternative can't seem to accomplish what Harper did when it comes to keeping the socons in line.

The Conservatives need to cut them out and go back to chasing the middle, might take an election or two but it would stop letting the Liberals hammer them on social issues in the vote heavy areas of Ontario.
 
2020-07-10 2:06:53 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: brainlordmesomorph: Watch them say "soory" and give it all back.

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2020-07-10 2:12:16 PM  

raius: rikkards: raius: Aar1012: If this topples a government while the head of our government literally asked for a political favor from a Diplomatic ally in exchange for aid and got no punishment then I'm going to scream into the void

It won't.  The Liberal party is very popular right now, a snap election would almost certainly give them a huge majority.

The Conservatives can't find a way to silence the social conservatives and the NDP can't seem to find a coherent message with Trudeau constantly outflanking them to the left on social values.

The popularity is because of how the government has handled Covid although funny thing is these policies were put in place under Harper. Dr Tam was part of the team setup under that government post-SARS knowing full well this was coming down the pipe. The two things that Trudeau handled well was his daily briefings which really could have been weekly looking at how often what was said changed over time and more importantly not pulling a Trump and undoing what was done in the previous government. Take Covid out of the picture, you have 2.5 western provinces who feel very isolated regarding their placement in Canada as we are about to walk into a recession.
All that said if Scheer had been PM it would have been a total shiat show he doesn't have the charisma for the job let alone the fact he is a total icky person

Oh for sure that's a part of it.  The response has been largely favourable, but the Conservatives who are the only real viable alternative can't seem to accomplish what Harper did when it comes to keeping the socons in line.

The Conservatives need to cut them out and go back to chasing the middle, might take an election or two but it would stop letting the Liberals hammer them on social issues in the vote heavy areas of Ontario.


I don't think anyone appreciated the damage Harper did to the Conservative Party.  He left nobody to carry on his legacy; there is simply nobody qualified in leadership right now.  Ambrose was terrible, but as an interim leader people didn't pay much attention.  Then Scheer was somehow even worse than she was.  Kenney made a big grandstanding exit from the national stage to play to Alberta... and now the rest of the country is thinking, "Thank god we dodged THAT bullet!"  And Scheer is hanging around, partly because of COVID-19, but also because there's just nobody to replace him.  It's a worse situation than the Liberals were at post-Chretien.
 
2020-07-10 2:15:25 PM  
Oh look, conservatives peddling conspiracy theories again.  Go ahead, have an investigation.  I'm sure this is even worse than that time Joe Biden's son got a job!
 
2020-07-10 2:15:40 PM  

cepson: In Canada, this is probably an earth-shattering scandal that threatens the very foundations of the nation. In America, it's just Friday. . . afternoon.


Not really. Every Liberal government collapses amidst a corruption scandal in roughly this pattern.
 
2020-07-10 2:16:05 PM  
Oh FFS. We got nine years of Harper because the Liberals couldn't keep their hands out of the cookie jar. You'd think they would at least have learned how to be more discreet.
 
2020-07-10 2:21:49 PM  
It was a dark, smoked filled room and there was Justin sitting smug behind his desk. He asked me to step closer and in a quiet voice, nearly a whisper, he said, "move the 900 billion" tomorrow. I wasn't sure what he meant and replied to him, "what's that now, eh?". He clarified, "take the 900 billion and award the contract to the charity, don't worry about the paperwork, no one will care. and make sure it is clear that this is contingent on speaker engagements, paid engagements, for my close family"

I'm sure it was something just like this. Or wait, no this is a recap of Andy Scheer's wet dream last night. Enjoy thinking about that last scene.
 
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