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2020-07-10 3:37:29 PM  

jmr61: Held a rally. Doesn't care.

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Look how disappointed that useless sh*tbag is, looking out at his meager crowd. And he's slightly angry, because it's their fault that they don't adore him enough to show up. It's their fault that they're not inspired by his riveting tales of ramp-walking and unprecedented demonstrations of single-handed water-drinking.
 
2020-07-10 3:37:49 PM  
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2020-07-10 3:40:05 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Jeebus Saves: Gyrfalcon: Jeebus Saves: Mrtraveler01: Jeebus Saves: Not a good one, but there's a plan.

What is the plan then?

Read the article.  It's filled with criticisms of what's being done.  Off the top of my head the author mentions the CDC guidelines for opening schools.  Is that not a plan or part of a plan?

So what is the plan, ace?

You tell me.  What have we done and what are we doing?  Let's see if you can figure it out.

Nothing, and nothing.

Yay!


And this is why we are farked.  You pretend like you know what's going on, but you're clueless and there are millions more like you.  You totally got it, buddy.  We've done nothing at all.  We're not even testing people.  It's insanity.
 
2020-07-10 3:43:10 PM  

Jeebus Saves: Mrtraveler01: Jeebus Saves: Mrtraveler01: Jeebus Saves: Not a good one, but there's a plan.

What is the plan then?

Read the article.  It's filled with criticisms of what's being done.  Off the top of my head the author mentions the CDC guidelines for opening schools.  Is that not a plan or part of a plan?

Not really, it's just a list of "suggestions" that schools in some parts of the country will probably ignore.

You're soooooo close.  Almost there.  Remember, a plan doesn't have to be good to be a plan.


Some states have better plans than others. But Desantis's plan seems to be "fark it, let's let this thing spread and clean up the damage later".

I guess its technically a "plan".
 
2020-07-10 3:59:10 PM  
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2020-07-10 4:05:40 PM  

FarkBucket18: dkulprit: So shutdowns or at least some attempt at slowing the spread IN THE US is bad because people may die in afghanistan and Africa?

When did the right start caring about those people?

Economic impact is going to happen either way, at least one is somewhat controlled.

People have a choice. If you believe the spread of Covid is so uncontrolled, you don't have to leave your house. Hell, I've reduced my chances of contracting a brain eating amoeba by not swimming in stagnant pools in the American South. You, too, have the choice even if others choose otherwise.


Lol.  Smart smart smart.

The leave everything open for the economy is working so well in florida, texas, and AZ.

Their economies are doing great with the opening back up and letting it run rampant.  Here in illinois who has taken a more measured approach is opening back up, people I know who were furloughed are mostly all back.  AND THE VIRUS ISNT OUT OF CONTROL.

I go out all the time.  I'm not afraid to do it at all. But that's because certain states took advantage of the stay at home orders and then did a controlled opening.

Just look at all the countries where the governments and the people worked together to stop the spread, almost all back to normal with minimal deaths, minimal impact on economy.

But you keep thinking just "open all the things!  Letting the virus run rampant will have no economic impact... at all."

The irony being even conservative economists think that plan is stupid and will do more long term damage than a controlled opening while minimizing spread of virus.  I guarantee the long term impact on the states that opened without controlling the spread are going to have longer term negative impacts on the economy than states that did a controlled slower opening.

The proof is already there, and the fact that you buy this bullshiat and don't care about how many people die just shows how much the conservatives don't really care about the people. It shows where the priority really is.  They don't give a fark about you and will let you die for short term gain despite them losing more in the long run.

Have fun with that.
 
2020-07-10 4:10:10 PM  
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2020-07-10 4:11:21 PM  

Jeebus Saves: Gyrfalcon: Jeebus Saves: Mrtraveler01: Jeebus Saves: Not a good one, but there's a plan.

What is the plan then?

Read the article.  It's filled with criticisms of what's being done.  Off the top of my head the author mentions the CDC guidelines for opening schools.  Is that not a plan or part of a plan?

So what is the plan, ace?

You tell me.  What have we done and what are we doing?  Let's see if you can figure it out.


You mean nothing?  A plan implies that you are doing something.

Feds pushed it off on states to come up with a plan, some states stepped up and came up with a plan, and others did nothing.  They just opened up with no contact tracing and isolation policies and then when things started getting bad they blocked local municipalities from doing anything, or pushed the onus on local municipalities to do something.

That's not a plan, that's just letting the chips fall where they may.

It's working out so well for them.  It really is.  "Open up at all cost" is not a plan, that's just wishful thinking.
 
2020-07-10 4:12:48 PM  
To be fair, America was great back when it had 1/4 of the population...
 
2020-07-10 4:13:45 PM  
"There's no plan."

"There is too a plan!"

"Can I see it?"

"No."

"Then there's no plan."

"There is too a plan!"


/repeat until next thread
 
2020-07-10 4:15:43 PM  
I missed the actual moment when Fauci was declared persona non grata...?

I'm sure someone competent has replaced him in the White House.

0_o
 
2020-07-10 4:19:35 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Republicans don't solve problems.  They consider every problem something that just needs better messaging.


This is absolutely true. Anyone remember when the Bush Administration figured out that the Iraq invasion had pissed off a lot of people in the Middle East, and they sent a PR expert out as some kind of specially appointed ambassador-type? How about; people were mad because it was a bad policy?

I think it's a combination of having nothing but contempt for other people, believing that you can sell anything (which you can, to rubes), being basically shiatty short-term Machiavellians, and buying into the worst kind of rhetoric about anything being possible if you want it badly enough.
 
2020-07-10 4:23:26 PM  

dkulprit: FarkBucket18: dkulprit: So shutdowns or at least some attempt at slowing the spread IN THE US is bad because people may die in afghanistan and Africa?

When did the right start caring about those people?

Economic impact is going to happen either way, at least one is somewhat controlled.

People have a choice. If you believe the spread of Covid is so uncontrolled, you don't have to leave your house. Hell, I've reduced my chances of contracting a brain eating amoeba by not swimming in stagnant pools in the American South. You, too, have the choice even if others choose otherwise.

Lol.  Smart smart smart.

The leave everything open for the economy is working so well in florida, texas, and AZ.

Their economies are doing great with the opening back up and letting it run rampant.  Here in illinois who has taken a more measured approach is opening back up, people I know who were furloughed are mostly all back.  AND THE VIRUS ISNT OUT OF CONTROL.

I go out all the time.  I'm not afraid to do it at all. But that's because certain states took advantage of the stay at home orders and then did a controlled opening.

Just look at all the countries where the governments and the people worked together to stop the spread, almost all back to normal with minimal deaths, minimal impact on economy.

But you keep thinking just "open all the things!  Letting the virus run rampant will have no economic impact... at all."

The irony being even conservative economists think that plan is stupid and will do more long term damage than a controlled opening while minimizing spread of virus.  I guarantee the long term impact on the states that opened without controlling the spread are going to have longer term negative impacts on the economy than states that did a controlled slower opening.

The proof is already there, and the fact that you buy this bullshiat and don't care about how many people die just shows how much the conservatives don't really care about the people. It shows where the pri ...


I've barely left my house in six months ... I haven't contracted C19. 

Your risk being "out and about" is far more risky than my choices. The point is, you do have a choice. Everyone has a choice. 

But, you'll find that I'm not demanding you lock yourself in your house for the next six months or shaming you because your choices are actually far more risky than any behaviors I've heard of in a long time. I give you the latitude to do whatever it is you want so long as you're accepting of the risk you are putting yourself and others in. 

Me? I'll continue WFH the same way I've been WFH for the last 5 years.
 
2020-07-10 4:24:00 PM  

dkulprit: Jeebus Saves: Gyrfalcon: Jeebus Saves: Mrtraveler01: Jeebus Saves: Not a good one, but there's a plan.

What is the plan then?

Read the article.  It's filled with criticisms of what's being done.  Off the top of my head the author mentions the CDC guidelines for opening schools.  Is that not a plan or part of a plan?

So what is the plan, ace?

You tell me.  What have we done and what are we doing?  Let's see if you can figure it out.

You mean nothing?  A plan implies that you are doing something.

Feds pushed it off on states to come up with a plan, some states stepped up and came up with a plan, and others did nothing.  They just opened up with no contact tracing and isolation policies and then when things started getting bad they blocked local municipalities from doing anything, or pushed the onus on local municipalities to do something.

That's not a plan, that's just letting the chips fall where they may.

It's working out so well for them.  It really is.  "Open up at all cost" is not a plan, that's just wishful thinking.


Wow.  Someone that actually pays attention.  That's the plan.  Like I said, just because it's not good doesn't mean it's not a plan.  Feds issue guidance and the states do what they want with it.  In theory it's not all that horrible.  In practice, in todays political climate, it's just not going to work.
 
2020-07-10 4:24:22 PM  

lolmao500: If there were any justice, the military would have overthrown Trump 125 000 dead americans ago. The redneck trash can take their nazi vote and shove it up their racist ass.


You really don't want a military coup in this country.

We have the ability to vote him out of office in the coming months.
 
2020-07-10 4:25:59 PM  

Jeebus Saves: Gyrfalcon: Jeebus Saves: Gyrfalcon: Jeebus Saves: Mrtraveler01: Jeebus Saves: Not a good one, but there's a plan.

What is the plan then?

Read the article.  It's filled with criticisms of what's being done.  Off the top of my head the author mentions the CDC guidelines for opening schools.  Is that not a plan or part of a plan?

So what is the plan, ace?

You tell me.  What have we done and what are we doing?  Let's see if you can figure it out.

Nothing, and nothing.

Yay!

And this is why we are farked.  You pretend like you know what's going on, but you're clueless and there are millions more like you.  You totally got it, buddy.  We've done nothing at all.  We're not even testing people.  It's insanity.


Testing isn't a plan....

They havent done anything.

Desantis' plan was to contact trace and isolate...

But they havent even done that.

Outside of doctors telling people to stay home the state isn't even following up or enforcing it.

So they had a plan... they're just not following said plan.

Even the White House did.  It was a good plan, but the only states that are following it are blue.

So do you consider "not following the plan" as a plan?

You claim other people are dumb, but you consider testing a plan.

Testing isn't even done by the state.  It's not mandatory.  Nobody is making anyone do it.  They're not run by states, they're run by private corps and insurance has to pay for it.  There is nothing about testing that is part of the plan because if people decided on their own not to get tested the only people who would get tested would be people who were hospitalized.

If the private companies decided it was too costly or didn't want to do it any more those public testing places would close.

plan
/plan/
noun
1.
a detailed proposal for doing or achieving something.

What are they trying to achieve by testing?  Oh wait, the state isn't achieving anything by testing.  Testing should be PART of the plan that involves many other things.  Outside of testing, nothing is getting done and outside of abbott who actually rolled back and is enforcing mask policies (after blocking municipalities from doing it on their own during the most important time during the recent community spread), none of the places where cases are surging are doing anything with that data.

Testing is not a plan without any sort of follow up or action upon those numbers that come back.
 
2020-07-10 4:29:24 PM  

Mudd's woman: I missed the actual moment when Fauci was declared persona non grata...?

I'm sure someone competent has replaced him in the White House.

0_o


Trump needed a scapegoat, so now fauci is the bad guy that screwed up.... somehow because he gave real info and tried to get more done but trump shut him down and that is now somehow is fault.

But we know people will eat it up.  Trump doesn't even have to give specifics, just make the claim and the same people holding up the signs that fauci was part of the deep state will be blaming him for not doing enough.
 
2020-07-10 4:30:25 PM  
Jeebus Saves:
This is an opinion piece.  The reason this country is in so much trouble is that people like you cant tell the difference between that and news.  The entire piece was a guy ranting about how what's being done isn't working or isn't enough.  So by definition, there is a plan.  Not a good one, but there's a plan.  And again, since it's an opinion piece, it is full of bias and light on useful information.  Don't act like this opinion piece is actual fact.  You may agree with the opinion, but that doesn't make it true.

I liked the first line. Yes, it's an opinion piece, and that's a different genre with different expectations regarding proof than a news piece.

That people are doing things doesn't mean there is a plan.

They might be making things up as they go along, or they might have a plan for reelection but not for reducing covid. Making an announcement, such as that they'll follow CDC guidelines, doesn't mean you have a plan. (Unless you're going to define "plan" as "doing anything deliberately.") That's a particularly bad example, since that "plan" has already been dismissed by Trump. That chaotic and contradictory behavior makes it clear that the Trump Administration doesn't have a plan.
 
2020-07-10 4:35:06 PM  

dkulprit: Jeebus Saves: Gyrfalcon: Jeebus Saves: Gyrfalcon: Jeebus Saves: Mrtraveler01: Jeebus Saves: Not a good one, but there's a plan.

What is the plan then?

Read the article.  It's filled with criticisms of what's being done.  Off the top of my head the author mentions the CDC guidelines for opening schools.  Is that not a plan or part of a plan?

So what is the plan, ace?

You tell me.  What have we done and what are we doing?  Let's see if you can figure it out.

Nothing, and nothing.

Yay!

And this is why we are farked.  You pretend like you know what's going on, but you're clueless and there are millions more like you.  You totally got it, buddy.  We've done nothing at all.  We're not even testing people.  It's insanity.

Testing isn't a plan....

They havent done anything.

Desantis' plan was to contact trace and isolate...

But they havent even done that.

Outside of doctors telling people to stay home the state isn't even following up or enforcing it.

So they had a plan... they're just not following said plan.

Even the White House did.  It was a good plan, but the only states that are following it are blue.

So do you consider "not following the plan" as a plan?

You claim other people are dumb, but you consider testing a plan.

Testing isn't even done by the state.  It's not mandatory.  Nobody is making anyone do it.  They're not run by states, they're run by private corps and insurance has to pay for it.  There is nothing about testing that is part of the plan because if people decided on their own not to get tested the only people who would get tested would be people who were hospitalized.

If the private companies decided it was too costly or didn't want to do it any more those public testing places would close.

plan
/plan/
noun
1.
a detailed proposal for doing or achieving something.

What are they trying to achieve by testing?  Oh wait, the state isn't achieving anything by testing.  Testing should be PART of the plan that involves many other things.  O ...


You're taking that way out of context.  I was replying to a dimwit who said we've done nothing at all and made a snide comment to illustrate how stupid that was.  Testing is part of the plan on a state level though.  Read your definition of plan again.  Where does it say it has to work, or be followed?  Success and plan are not the same thing.
 
2020-07-10 4:38:00 PM  

FarkBucket18: dkulprit: FarkBucket18: dkulprit: So shutdowns or at least some attempt at slowing the spread IN THE US is bad because people may die in afghanistan and Africa?

When did the right start caring about those people?

Economic impact is going to happen either way, at least one is somewhat controlled.

People have a choice. If you believe the spread of Covid is so uncontrolled, you don't have to leave your house. Hell, I've reduced my chances of contracting a brain eating amoeba by not swimming in stagnant pools in the American South. You, too, have the choice even if others choose otherwise.

Lol.  Smart smart smart.

The leave everything open for the economy is working so well in florida, texas, and AZ.

Their economies are doing great with the opening back up and letting it run rampant.  Here in illinois who has taken a more measured approach is opening back up, people I know who were furloughed are mostly all back.  AND THE VIRUS ISNT OUT OF CONTROL.

I go out all the time.  I'm not afraid to do it at all. But that's because certain states took advantage of the stay at home orders and then did a controlled opening.

Just look at all the countries where the governments and the people worked together to stop the spread, almost all back to normal with minimal deaths, minimal impact on economy.

But you keep thinking just "open all the things!  Letting the virus run rampant will have no economic impact... at all."

The irony being even conservative economists think that plan is stupid and will do more long term damage than a controlled opening while minimizing spread of virus.  I guarantee the long term impact on the states that opened without controlling the spread are going to have longer term negative impacts on the economy than states that did a controlled slower opening.

The proof is already there, and the fact that you buy this bullshiat and don't care about how many people die just shows how much the conservatives don't really care about the people. It shows where the pri ...

I've barely left my house in six months ... I haven't contracted C19. 

Your risk being "out and about" is far more risky than my choices. The point is, you do have a choice. Everyone has a choice. 

But, you'll find that I'm not demanding you lock yourself in your house for the next six months or shaming you because your choices are actually far more risky than any behaviors I've heard of in a long time. I give you the latitude to do whatever it is you want so long as you're accepting of the risk you are putting yourself and others in. 

Me? I'll continue WFH the same way I've been WFH for the last 5 years.


And that's stupid.  Me going out is very controlled and safe.  People don't have a "choice" when it comes to other people's lives.  And that's the problem we have here.  Some people think that their choice to spread a virus is stronger than the government's choice to keep them from doing that.

I can see where you get your news.  Nobody was or is calling for a 6 month lockdown.  What we called for and what we wanted to put in place was "lockdown" (in quotes because it's more like "stay at home unless necessary for food and such"), use that time to build up a contact tracing and isolation policy, open back up slowly while contact tracing and isolation as necessary on individual basis while people are out and about.


You know, kind of like every other western nation did and is doing and they're opening back up with shorter lockdowns than we had?

Why is that so hard to comprehend?  Nobody is saying stay in your house for 6 months outside of right wing pundits claiming the left is trying to steal your liberties.

And if we did that, like was the federal plan, we wouldn't be here.  Instead parts of the country that just opened back up with no plan and no control are getting rocked right now and the economic impact is going to be a lot greater than if they did it right.

Quit watching bullshiat news sources and you might actually learn something.
 
2020-07-10 4:41:58 PM  

eiger: If you had asked me in December 2019 whether the GOP was still capable of putting aside its bullshiat in the even of a real, undeniable, immediate crisis, I would have still given a qualified "yes." Boy was I proven wrong!

At this point, I assume that if we discovered an extinction-level asteroid heading for earth but knew we could do something about it if we turned our society towards the goal, the GOP would refuse. They really are that gone at this point.


They'd just say it was another eclipse and have Trump stare at the sun some more.
 
2020-07-10 4:43:04 PM  
"everyone has a choice, they can simply WFH like I do" is peak dipsh*t galaxy brain
 
2020-07-10 5:04:24 PM  
Marital Lage 20/20.    One counter at a time.
 
2020-07-10 5:05:45 PM  

dkulprit: Mudd's woman: I missed the actual moment when Fauci was declared persona non grata...?

I'm sure someone competent has replaced him in the White House.

0_o

Trump needed a scapegoat, so now fauci is the bad guy that screwed up.... somehow because he gave real info and tried to get more done but trump shut him down and that is now somehow is fault.

But we know people will eat it up.  Trump doesn't even have to give specifics, just make the claim and the same people holding up the signs that fauci was part of the deep state will be blaming him for not doing enough.


Christ.
Just when I think peak insanity has been reached...
 
2020-07-10 5:51:28 PM  
It took something this extreme to even barely gain the attention of cult45..they keep trying to spin,deflect, and project. But sadly they can't ignore this issue like others. The results are too immediate. Sure defunding education, giving rich tax breaks or the repealing the affordable care act overtime leads to horrible situations..But by doing those slowly the republicans can just lie and obfuscate. Nobody "knows" and both sides turds.. This covid thing doesn't work like that.
 
2020-07-10 6:22:43 PM  
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2020-07-10 6:31:49 PM  

Nurglitch: To be fair, America was great back when it had 1/4 of the population...


You and 2 of your best friends first please.
 
2020-07-10 6:37:53 PM  

chadd911: Nurglitch: To be fair, America was great back when it had 1/4 of the population...

You and 2 of your best friends first please.


My apologies, I was sarcastically pointing out how killing off vast numbers of vulnerable Americans boosted the economy.
 
2020-07-10 7:11:37 PM  
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2020-07-10 7:28:47 PM  
Why would you need a plan for something that is going to disappear like magic any day now?
 
2020-07-10 7:56:05 PM  
The plan is:

Obama isn't even in the White House. Just like he wasn't there when the World Trade Center was attacked.  He's probably out golfing in a tan suit.

/Study it out!
 
2020-07-10 8:15:09 PM  
Somebody tell the Whitehouse that if things go sideways we will DEFINITELY end up with a non-white majority within a few years. See how fast a plan comes out then.
 
2020-07-10 9:15:09 PM  

Parthenogenetic: [YouTube video: What do we do? We Die]


Robert Preston will save us...
 
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2020-07-10 9:50:55 PM  
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Pisses out more brain cells during his morning pee than Trump was born with.  Put him in charge.
 
2020-07-11 11:46:29 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: lolmao500: If there were any justice, the military would have overthrown Trump 125 000 dead americans ago. The redneck trash can take their nazi vote and shove it up their racist ass.

You really don't want a military coup in this country.

We have the ability to vote him out of office in the coming months.


Do you now? Look at all the voting fraud the GOP is doing.

I wonder what your path of action will be when Trump robs the election? Wait him out 4 more years? Protest? LOL protests dont matter in a dictatorship.
 
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