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(Esquire)   Man, 2020 is weird. Who the hell had "Neil Gorsuch is Native American's best friend on SCOTUS" on their bingo card?   (esquire.com) divider line
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2020-07-10 10:12:34 AM  
Anybody that had dealings before him in other matters, for example access to education for disabilities.  He may be the staunchest ally Native Americans have ever had, but he's clueless about IDEA.  One of his last rulings was overturned unanimously by SCOTUS, right before he joined them.

Awkward.  Definitely has some interesting quirks, kind of like Thomas and his blinders about equal opportunity.
 
2020-07-10 10:24:02 AM  
Anyone who knew anything about his record on the appellate bench.  Anyone who paid attention during his confirmation process that Native American groups wrote letters of support to the Senate to confirm him.  That's who would have known.
 
2020-07-10 11:12:24 AM  
I had that he was the gay's best friend.
 
2020-07-10 11:16:51 AM  
You know what? I'll take it.

It reminds me of Southern Democrats before the CRA and VRA. Some were pro working class and helped push back against banks and other industries. Of course they were racist as hell, but their policies did help people of all colors. Strange world we live in.
 
2020-07-10 1:32:39 PM  

Nadie_AZ: You know what? I'll take it.

It reminds me of Southern Democrats before the CRA and VRA. Some were pro working class and helped push back against banks and other industries. Of course they were racist as hell, but their policies did help people of all colors. Strange world we live in.


you mean people are more than just the racist comments they make? the hell you say

now if you excuse me, me and some of my progressive buddies need to go tear down another Fredrick Douglass statue.

/kidding
//i hate progressive revisionists
///we all have flaws, teach the controversy while also teaching the good they may have done
////still annoyed by that TPM story on Wilson. Of COURSE he was racist, shocking, I know. Where the f*ck have you people been?
//he was still the most progressive reformer until FDR
 
2020-07-10 2:13:34 PM  
Is he the new Jack Abramov?

I haven't heard anything about this.

Are "Indian" Casinos still a thing in the scamming trade?
 
2020-07-10 2:14:14 PM  
Correction:  Abramoff
 
2020-07-10 2:29:44 PM  
That doesn't make him a decent human being or even an okay judge.  He just happens to take everything strictly as it is written into law, damn however it was interpreted.  You were going to freeze to death if you stayed with the company truck?  Tough shiat.  Your contract doesn't have an exemption for actions taken to save your life.
 
2020-07-10 2:29:59 PM  
 read where "He's a Textualist so that's what you get sometimes" was in play.

I don't know.  We got furries and wrestling fans on here so we must have a few USSC fans who will give us a peek beneath their robes. bah  Behind the curtain.  That's what I meant.  sorry.   Got excited there.
 
2020-07-10 2:31:56 PM  
I had that on my bingo card but it went through the wash.
 
2020-07-10 2:34:45 PM  

Glorious Golden Ass: That doesn't make him a decent human being or even an okay judge.  He just happens to take everything strictly as it is written into law, damn however it was interpreted.  You were going to freeze to death if you stayed with the company truck?  Tough shiat.  Your contract doesn't have an exemption for actions taken to save your life.


I would argue that using logical reasoning and being philosophically consistent actually does make him a good judge. I dunno how he would compare to Garland, but he's a massive improvement over Scalia.
 
2020-07-10 2:36:17 PM  

somedude210: progressive revisionists


Consider how you'd be happier if you didn't have to walk past those homosexual statues every day, and have to see penis flags on trucks. You know? Things you may not like in your face all day.
 
2020-07-10 2:36:36 PM  

anjin-san: Glorious Golden Ass: That doesn't make him a decent human being or even an okay judge.  He just happens to take everything strictly as it is written into law, damn however it was interpreted.  You were going to freeze to death if you stayed with the company truck?  Tough shiat.  Your contract doesn't have an exemption for actions taken to save your life.

I would argue that using logical reasoning and being philosophically consistent actually does make him a good judge. I dunno how he would compare to Garland, but he's a massive improvement over Scalia.


The coffee shiat I just flushed would be a massive improvement over Scalia
 
2020-07-10 2:39:05 PM  

Glorious Golden Ass: That doesn't make him a decent human being or even an okay judge.  He just happens to take everything strictly as it is written into law, damn however it was interpreted.  You were going to freeze to death if you stayed with the company truck?  Tough shiat.  Your contract doesn't have an exemption for actions taken to save your life.


Which is exactly what conservatives claim to want.

NO LEGISLATING FROM THE BENCH!!!!!11122
 
2020-07-10 2:40:13 PM  

anjin-san: Glorious Golden Ass: That doesn't make him a decent human being or even an okay judge.  He just happens to take everything strictly as it is written into law, damn however it was interpreted.  You were going to freeze to death if you stayed with the company truck?  Tough shiat.  Your contract doesn't have an exemption for actions taken to save your life.

I would argue that using logical reasoning and being philosophically consistent actually does make him a good judge. I dunno how he would compare to Garland, but he's a massive improvement over Scalia.


Yeah I like Groucho. I think you probably don't want more than 1 or 2 of him on a 9 person court but he isn't a p.o.s. who twists everything to suit his personal prejudices like kavanaugh, Thomas, alito, scalia...

I have no idea what the Republicans were thinking when they elevated Groucho. We know it wasn't out of a desire to put good justices on the bench because the next pick was beerbro. My theory is that they were testing the waters and by the time they had the second seat open McConnel knew trump had less than zero interest in the courts and would literally rubber-stamp any name that was brought to him by the Republicans. Once they had that they swung wide right and started putting completely unqualified whackjobs up because they wanted to pack and stack the courts with young right wing nutters rather than legal minds.
 
2020-07-10 2:41:13 PM  
According to the resident Trumper/QAnon/Conspiracy/COVID is a plan for martial law Facebook friend, Gorsuch was the swing vote bought and paid for because it was a pedophile case that resulted in Oklahoma giving all that land to the Native Americans. It's apparently very suspicious.

/I really need to block these people to preserve my sanity
//I'm sure I'm on their list now
 
2020-07-10 2:42:55 PM  

anjin-san: Glorious Golden Ass: That doesn't make him a decent human being or even an okay judge.  He just happens to take everything strictly as it is written into law, damn however it was interpreted.  You were going to freeze to death if you stayed with the company truck?  Tough shiat.  Your contract doesn't have an exemption for actions taken to save your life.

I would argue that using logical reasoning and being philosophically consistent actually does make him a good judge. I dunno how he would compare to Garland, but he's a massive improvement over Scalia.


Yeah, I don't love Gorsuch's textualism, but he does seem to apply his approach pretty consistently, even when it results in him being the fifth vote alongside the left-leaning members of the court. That's really all you can ask: he isn't a toady, and so despite being exceedingly conservative, he isn't going to twist himself into knots to justify some of the right's more nonsensical judicial arguments.
 
2020-07-10 2:44:28 PM  
Yeah I turned out to be wrong on a few of my expectations for this court. of course I can't help but be suspicious when a judge comes from a list drawn up by a group looking to pack the courts with political judges.
 
2020-07-10 2:44:58 PM  
I remember hearing about how the Obama Administration had realized that phrasing their legal arguments to better accord with Textualist and other conservative philosophies of constitutional law helped them get past several SC challenges.
 
2020-07-10 2:47:21 PM  
I think 2020 has eclipsed Bingo card. Here is a thing that could reasonably happen this year.

Sally was upset that the author of her favorite book series Harry Potter had turned into an LGBT troll. She tried to unplug and talk a walk and went outside. The sidewalk was full of people who had turned a plague into a partisan issue, mainstreet was occupied by the biggest racial based protests in 60 years, and of course her back yard was now brimming with murder hornets. While considering where to walk she succumbs to the record heat. She uses her phone to try to find out what to do about heat stroke, but unfortunately passes out while trying to get past the ads for Kayne West 2020 gear that google has targeted her with.
 
2020-07-10 2:48:38 PM  

special20: somedude210: progressive revisionists

Consider how you'd be happier if you didn't have to walk past those homosexual statues every day, and have to see penis flags on trucks. You know? Things you may not like in your face all day.


I'm a progressive. I also am a student of history. What is the merits of tearing down a Frederick Douglas statue? What does that accomplish for equality?

Congrats, you discovered that many American heroes were racists or slaveowners or both. They should be judged on the merits of what they accomplished with their warts taken into account as well but the wholesale ignorance of what these people did accomplish when in power is still something that should be taught and understood and championed for what it was when it was.

Robert E. Lee was a good general. He was also a traitor and a racist. He also accepted the defeat of the Confederacy.
 
2020-07-10 2:50:04 PM  

LucklessWonder: anjin-san: Glorious Golden Ass: That doesn't make him a decent human being or even an okay judge.  He just happens to take everything strictly as it is written into law, damn however it was interpreted.  You were going to freeze to death if you stayed with the company truck?  Tough shiat.  Your contract doesn't have an exemption for actions taken to save your life.

I would argue that using logical reasoning and being philosophically consistent actually does make him a good judge. I dunno how he would compare to Garland, but he's a massive improvement over Scalia.

The coffee shiat I just flushed would be a massive improvement over Scalia


My cat would make a better Scalia and he hates most people until he wants a cuddle
 
2020-07-10 2:50:20 PM  
But the pedophile is going to be tried in Federal court, right?

I agree with the ruling, but it shouldn't be an exoneration.
 
2020-07-10 2:51:40 PM  

Nabb1: Anyone who knew anything about his record on the appellate bench.  Anyone who paid attention during his confirmation process that Native American groups wrote letters of support to the Senate to confirm him.  That's who would have known.


So... Not Republicans.
 
2020-07-10 2:51:44 PM  
Or, how you can tell subby doesn't follow the Supreme Court.  Anyone who paid an ounce of attention to Gorsuch knew he'd rule this way.
 
2020-07-10 2:51:56 PM  

somedude210: Nadie_AZ: You know what? I'll take it.

It reminds me of Southern Democrats before the CRA and VRA. Some were pro working class and helped push back against banks and other industries. Of course they were racist as hell, but their policies did help people of all colors. Strange world we live in.

you mean people are more than just the racist comments they make? the hell you say

now if you excuse me, me and some of my progressive buddies need to go tear down another Fredrick Douglass statue.


The police still don't know who did that.
 
2020-07-10 2:55:07 PM  

special20: somedude210: progressive revisionists

Consider how you'd be happier if you didn't have to walk past those homosexual statues every day, and have to see penis flags on trucks. You know? Things you may not like in your face all day.


You realize someone can disagree with you about one subject and yet still agree with you on others?

/Bring on the penis trucks
 
2020-07-10 2:58:09 PM  

StatelyGreekAutomaton: special20: somedude210: progressive revisionists

Consider how you'd be happier if you didn't have to walk past those homosexual statues every day, and have to see penis flags on trucks. You know? Things you may not like in your face all day.

You realize someone can disagree with you about one subject and yet still agree with you on others?

/Bring on the penis trucks


"We choose to build the penis trucks, and do the other thing, NOT because we're easy, but because they are so goddamn hard!"

/little known first revision of JFK's inaugural
 
2020-07-10 2:58:32 PM  
Gorsuch is kind of a mixed bag - he doesn't seem to be an awful person, like Kavanaugh, so that's one plus. Most of the time he seems to act in a well-thought, intelligent manner.

The exception comes out when religion is interjected - see his pre-SCOTUS ruling on Hobby Lobby.

I'm also still bitter about Garland, but that is more of an issue with the farking reprehensible Senate turtle-farker (that's right, he's into incest with his cousins). While Gorsuch benefited from that, it was not his doing.
 
2020-07-10 2:58:32 PM  
I learned about it from the smart people here. It's why I hang around. The trolls are obvious enough and called out frequently enough that I can still learn valuable context about nuanced matters. And I greatly appreciate those of you who share your knowledge with a stranger like me.
 
2020-07-10 3:04:36 PM  

pacochu: According to the resident Trumper/QAnon/Conspiracy/COVID is a plan for martial law Facebook friend, Gorsuch was the swing vote bought and paid for because it was a pedophile case that resulted in Oklahoma giving all that land to the Native Americans. It's apparently very suspicious.

/I really need to block these people to preserve my sanity
//I'm sure I'm on their list now


Does that mean the basement of Comet Ping Pong is a reservation now?
 
2020-07-10 3:05:20 PM  

Geriatric Goodman Brown: I learned about it from the smart people here. It's why I hang around. The trolls are obvious enough and called out frequently enough that I can still learn valuable context about nuanced matters. And I greatly appreciate those of you who share your knowledge with a stranger like me.


On behalf of all of us, I'm sorry. Have a hug and mindwipe out of petty cash

*hug*

*mind-

-whoa, where am I?
 
2020-07-10 3:21:17 PM  
somedude210:
Robert E. Lee was a good general. He was also a traitor and a racist. He also accepted the defeat of the Confederacy.

Lee was a good general for a different war. He wasn't a great general for the war he was fighting, though, because he was happy to engage in fights that would win territorial advantage with 1:1 casualty rates. That might've looked good from a prestige standpoint, but it ultimately made it nigh on impossible for them to win the war, because they couldn't replace those casualties.

On paper, Chancellorville is an incredible victory, with a force half the size of the Union army winning decisively. It also meant that the Confederates were in a pitiable shape to go on the offensive, as they did in the Gettysburg campaign thereafter, because Lee burned a quarter of his manpower without succeeding in landing a decisive blow.
 
2020-07-10 3:27:46 PM  
How weird that to get here, SCOTUS had to release a man from prison that was convicted of a brutal rape.

But hey, the right decision is the right decision.

And hopefully the man will be retried in federal court and be locked back up again.
 
2020-07-10 3:38:49 PM  

somedude210: special20: somedude210: progressive revisionists

Consider how you'd be happier if you didn't have to walk past those homosexual statues every day, and have to see penis flags on trucks. You know? Things you may not like in your face all day.

I'm a progressive. I also am a student of history. What is the merits of tearing down a Frederick Douglas statue? What does that accomplish for equality?

Congrats, you discovered that many American heroes were racists or slaveowners or both. They should be judged on the merits of what they accomplished with their warts taken into account as well but the wholesale ignorance of what these people did accomplish when in power is still something that should be taught and understood and championed for what it was when it was.

Robert E. Lee was a good general. He was also a traitor and a racist. He also accepted the defeat of the Confederacy.


Dude... ma'am, whatever... the Confederate monuments were mainly erected by white supremacist groups.
According to Smithsonian Magazine, "far from simply being markers of historic events and people, as proponents argue, these memorials were created and funded by Jim Crow governments to pay homage to a slave-owning society and to serve as blunt assertions of dominance over African-Americans.

I just don't want to be in a country where statues make people feel bad, and where people don't give a fark that they make people feel bad. So, hurry up and be a lot more progressive, ok?
 
2020-07-10 3:49:00 PM  
The Republican questionaire for SCOTUS consideration really only has two questions:
Do you agree that abortion is not in the constitution?
Do you agree that the 2nd includes the words "The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

If republicans don't want to get their panties in a bunch when their SCOTUS picks "legislates from the bench" on any other topics, they probably should include more questions.
 
2020-07-10 3:56:53 PM  

special20: Dude... ma'am, whatever... the Confederate monuments were mainly erected by white supremacist groups.
According to Smithsonian Magazine, "far from simply being markers of historic events and people, as proponents argue, these memorials were created and funded by Jim Crow governments to pay homage to a slave-owning society and to serve as blunt assertions of dominance over African-Americans.


dude, I think you're mistaking any of my stances. The confederate statues absolutely should be torn down because they were put up to intimidate and remind African-Americans they were second class citizens still in the South. We should've gone full De-Nazification in this country with everything confederate related and teach that the civil war was about slavery and the right to own people. And those assholes lost. We need to beat that into the heads of everyone. That is the only way to rid us of this cancer.

I take issue with those that want to erase our history whole-hog. All that will accomplish will be to white-wash history but from the opposite side of things. We should be teaching everything about our founders, we should understand the flaws and accomplishments of the presidents.

special20: I just don't want to be in a country where statues make people feel bad, and where people don't give a fark that they make people feel bad.


And we can do that. Take the Emancipation Statue in Boston. Awful, cringe-worthy. Now, we can leave it standing and place a plaque on there explaining the motifs shown and how they are inherently racist and depicting the White Savior trope, or we can cast a whole new statue that is more equal, of Lincoln shaking hands with a newly freed slave and welcoming him to America.

That would go a much longer way. Far better than a purge of our history.
 
2020-07-10 4:02:57 PM  

somedude210: StatelyGreekAutomaton: special20: somedude210: progressive revisionists

Consider how you'd be happier if you didn't have to walk past those homosexual statues every day, and have to see penis flags on trucks. You know? Things you may not like in your face all day.

You realize someone can disagree with you about one subject and yet still agree with you on others?

/Bring on the penis trucks

"We choose to build the penis trucks, and do the other thing, NOT because we're easy, but because they are so goddamn hard!"

/little known first revision of JFK's inaugural


So that's how he got Marilyn Monroe in bed.
 
2020-07-10 4:03:37 PM  

special20: somedude210: progressive revisionists

Consider how you'd be happier if you didn't have to walk past those homosexual statues every day, and have to see penis flags on trucks. You know? Things you may not like in your face all day.


Wait...where is this? Ancient Greece?
 
2020-07-10 4:22:19 PM  
I'm fine with Justice Golly Gee.  Rape-bro on the other hand...
 
2020-07-10 4:28:11 PM  
The treaty was never rescinded so this ruling makes sense.
 
2020-07-10 7:39:37 PM  
If you have a valid deed on land in the US it goes back to some point where it was legally purchased or transferred by law from native ownership.  If not, sucks to be you
 
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