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(BBC-US)   Twin brothers born in London and raised in state care could be deported to two different Caribbean countries they have never visited. Then it gets weird   (bbc.com) divider line
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2020-07-10 9:23:31 PM  
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2020-07-10 9:24:30 PM  
Immigration is good for a country. And those Caribbean countries are hurting. They need the immigrants much more than the UK.
 
2020-07-10 9:27:34 PM  
Both were found guilty and are serving sentences for grievous bodily harm, so I'm not feeling a lot of sympathy. If you want to live in a decent society then you need to behave like decent human.

What was the weird bit? That these two couldn't even be bothered to sign paperwork to become a legal citizen when other people organised it for them?
 
2020-07-10 9:27:39 PM  
Done for GBH?  If I were those two countries I wouldn't take them.  This is your problem UK you deal with it.

/The rest of the world hated the UK, long before they hated the USA.
 
2020-07-10 9:29:54 PM  

Nidiot: Both were found guilty and are serving sentences for grievous bodily harm, so I'm not feeling a lot of sympathy. If you want to live in a decent society then you need to behave like decent human.

What was the weird bit? That these two couldn't even be bothered to sign paperwork to become a legal citizen when other people organised it for them?


Maybe they don't want to swear allegiance to Queen Elizabeth?
 
2020-07-10 9:35:38 PM  
Nuke the UK.  Problem solved.
 
2020-07-10 9:36:05 PM  
Dominica? Dominican Republic? Close enough for government work.
 
2020-07-10 9:36:56 PM  

macdaddy357: Dominica? Dominican Republic? Close enough for government work.


Hell, doesn't ICE just deport pretty much everyone to Mexico regardless of where they came from?

Might be the only way into Mexico from the US at the moment, now that I think about it.
 
2020-07-10 9:43:22 PM  

Nidiot: Both were found guilty and are serving sentences for grievous bodily harm, so I'm not feeling a lot of sympathy. If you want to live in a decent society then you need to behave like decent human.

What was the weird bit? That these two couldn't even be bothered to sign paperwork to become a legal citizen when other people organised it for them?


If they try over and over again to give you citizenship, and over and over again you refuse, don't complain you are not a citizen.
 
2020-07-10 9:43:39 PM  
But what about their other brother, Larry?
 
2020-07-10 9:47:45 PM  
Why is this news?
 
2020-07-10 9:48:51 PM  
I lov it how ya teach a person to fish......then they're too lazy to work get on the dole.......fark the fishin in gonna sleep & go to the store yada, yadda, yada......
 
2020-07-10 9:58:44 PM  
"when released from jail for grievous bodily harm. "
"His twin Darren remains in prison on a separate sentence for grievous bodily harm "

"children's services team had "repeatedly engaged with both Darren and Darrell" to allow them to apply for immigration status.
But he said "neither of the young men signed the documentation to allow it to be progressed".


Yeah, not feeling a lot of sympathy there.
 
2020-07-10 10:03:32 PM  

Sean VasDeferens: Why is this news?


it's not news. that article is pretty much the definition of FARK.
 
2020-07-10 10:06:06 PM  

Nidiot: What was the weird bit? That these two couldn't even be bothered to sign paperwork to become a legal citizen when other people organised it for them?


The weird bit is presumably that each twins would be deported to different countries, despite having the same parents and origins.
 
2020-07-10 10:10:02 PM  

Sean VasDeferens: Why is this news?


Because they aren't deporting them to the same country where they could continue their criminal behavior as a family.
 
2020-07-10 10:11:40 PM  

Excelsior: Nidiot: What was the weird bit? That these two couldn't even be bothered to sign paperwork to become a legal citizen when other people organised it for them?

The weird bit is presumably that each twins would be deported to different countries, despite having the same parents and origins.


The parents were from different countries, maybe they just wanted to make sure their new countries would only have to deal with one of them.
 
2020-07-10 10:13:13 PM  

Excelsior: Nidiot: What was the weird bit? That these two couldn't even be bothered to sign paperwork to become a legal citizen when other people organised it for them?

The weird bit is presumably that each twins would be deported to different countries, despite having the same parents and origins.


But when you stop and think about it, who really cares, just gtfo.
 
2020-07-10 10:15:07 PM  
"If they're going to deport my brothers, I mean there are 11 of us in total, they could pick and deport any one of us," she said.


Well, I guess technically, yeah. That is if you plan on being worthless human garbage like your twinzies and prey on people, that is.
 
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2020-07-10 10:16:29 PM  
This thread is reading a lot like Fox News comments.
 
2020-07-10 10:23:30 PM  

433: This thread is reading a lot like Fox News comments.


And for this thread, it's all gravy..
Those two POS have nothing in common with society. Well, maybe if they lived in Seattle..
 
2020-07-10 10:30:34 PM  

Nidiot: Both were found guilty and are serving sentences for grievous bodily harm, so I'm not feeling a lot of sympathy. If you want to live in a decent society then you need to behave like decent human.

What was the weird bit? That these two couldn't even be bothered to sign paperwork to become a legal citizen when other people organised it for them?


this post ooooooozes empathy
 
2020-07-10 10:34:54 PM  
Fark when a British citizen who emigrated to the US makes racist comments to Asians at a restaurant: "Deport him! Send him back to the UK!"
Fark when two people without British citizenship are both convicted of serious violent crimes: "How dare the UK deport them!"
 
2020-07-10 10:35:52 PM  

433: This thread is reading a lot like Fox News comments.


if it was different dimensions.
 
2020-07-10 10:36:40 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: "when released from jail for grievous bodily harm. "
"His twin Darren remains in prison on a separate sentence for grievous bodily harm "

"children's services team had "repeatedly engaged with both Darren and Darrell" to allow them to apply for immigration status.
But he said "neither of the young men signed the documentation to allow it to be progressed".


Yeah, not feeling a lot of sympathy there.


Hmm, kids who have been bounced around the fostering system being reticent to sign paperwork shoved in front of them and probably not explained to them quite how important it was...

While they've obviously made shiat choices in life these pair seem to have been utterly failed by social services.

Social services were their legal parents, they should have ensured that they were naturalised years ago.It's one of the first things that should have happened after they were taken into care after their mother died.
 
2020-07-10 10:37:05 PM  
It's disturbing that they are not being sent to the same country and that they are not being sent to the country that their only living parent returned to. It's disturbing that the UK apparently automatically deports anyone who doesn't have the proper citizenship if they have served a sentence longer than a year.

That said, it's hard to feel sorry for these two because the agency for child services (they aren't even children, they are grown men but it sounds like they were minors when they were sentenced) has been trying to help them get on the path to citizenship for quite some time and they are refusing to sign the documents.
 
2020-07-10 10:37:19 PM  

Mollari: /The rest of the world hated the UK, long before they hated the USA.


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2020-07-10 10:37:33 PM  

TrashcanMan: Nidiot: Both were found guilty and are serving sentences for grievous bodily harm, so I'm not feeling a lot of sympathy. If you want to live in a decent society then you need to behave like decent human.

What was the weird bit? That these two couldn't even be bothered to sign paperwork to become a legal citizen when other people organised it for them?

this post ooooooozes empathy


It would appear I have as much empathy for them as they had for the people they beat up. I don't have empathy for child molesters, or rapists, or murders either. Some people have voided their right to empathy by their own behaviour.

Want to be treated like a decent human, then behave like one first.
 
2020-07-10 10:42:37 PM  

DevilGirlFromMars: It's disturbing that the UK apparently automatically deports anyone who doesn't have the proper citizenship if they have served a sentence longer than a year.


The US generally does the same thing. "aggravated felonies usually do lead to deportation"
 
2020-07-10 10:43:58 PM  
The article only have pictures of them when they were young and looking innocent, I'm guessing it's an effort by their lawyer to attract sympathies.
 
2020-07-10 10:46:18 PM  

Excelsior: Nidiot: What was the weird bit? That these two couldn't even be bothered to sign paperwork to become a legal citizen when other people organised it for them?

The weird bit is presumably that each twins would be deported to different countries, despite having the same parents and origins.


there you go assuming that it was the same dad.
there have been a couple of different father twins born.
 
2020-07-10 10:55:29 PM  
People feeling sorry for these two in the article, just imagine they are the sort of people who are against wearing masks.

/as opposed to mere thugs who beat up people
 
2020-07-10 11:01:07 PM  
Obviously lack of care in people doing their jobs (both would logically be deported to Dominica where their father lives) is unacceptable, but they are definitely going to justifiably get the boot. Not a citizen and multi-year prison for violence? Yr out.
 
2020-07-10 11:06:32 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Fark when a British citizen who emigrated to the US makes racist comments to Asians at a restaurant: "Deport him! Send him back to the UK!"
Fark when two people without British citizenship are both convicted of serious violent crimes: "How dare the UK deport them!"


There was literally not one single post above yours sympathetic to these guys.
 
2020-07-10 11:20:09 PM  

CluelessMoron: Carter Pewterschmidt: Fark when a British citizen who emigrated to the US makes racist comments to Asians at a restaurant: "Deport him! Send him back to the UK!"
Fark when two people without British citizenship are both convicted of serious violent crimes: "How dare the UK deport them!"

There was literally not one single post above yours sympathetic to these guys.


You don't think the headline, with the "Scary" tag, and greenlit, is casting the UK in a bad light? If the headline just said they were being deported and the tag was "Obvious" then that would be different.
Yet a couple of days ago a submission that showed the UK in a good light, cracking down on human rights violators, with a "Hero" tag, was redlit. Why green a headline about two violent criminals being (possibly) deported but not green a headline about cracking down on international human rights violators?

It's not 100%, but Farks admins do seem to prefer headlines and links that show the UK, and particularly Brexit, in a bad light. Positive stories are mostly not greened.
 
2020-07-10 11:57:52 PM  

Nidiot: Both were found guilty and are serving sentences for grievous bodily harm, so I'm not feeling a lot of sympathy. If you want to live in a decent society then you need to behave like decent human.

What was the weird bit? That these two couldn't even be bothered to sign paperwork to become a legal citizen when other people organised it for them?


Yup.  They're not citizens and they got substantial jail time.  That will get you deported almost anywhere.
 
2020-07-11 12:31:48 AM  

Nidiot: TrashcanMan: Nidiot: Both were found guilty and are serving sentences for grievous bodily harm, so I'm not feeling a lot of sympathy. If you want to live in a decent society then you need to behave like decent human.

What was the weird bit? That these two couldn't even be bothered to sign paperwork to become a legal citizen when other people organised it for them?

this post ooooooozes empathy

It would appear I have as much empathy for them as they had for the people they beat up. I don't have empathy for child molesters, or rapists, or murders either. Some people have voided their right to empathy by their own behaviour.

Want to be treated like a decent human, then behave like one first.


You've convinced me.  Some people are just sub-human.
 
2020-07-11 12:40:11 AM  

talkertopc: The article only have pictures of them when they were young and looking innocent, I'm guessing it's an effort by their lawyer to attract sympathies.


i glanced at the article at first and saw tween aged kids. I thought "can't they get adopted?" Then read they were 24 and were getting out of jail. All my sympathy was gone in an instant. Fark them.
 
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2020-07-11 12:41:01 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: CluelessMoron: Carter Pewterschmidt: Fark when a British citizen who emigrated to the US makes racist comments to Asians at a restaurant: "Deport him! Send him back to the UK!"
Fark when two people without British citizenship are both convicted of serious violent crimes: "How dare the UK deport them!"

There was literally not one single post above yours sympathetic to these guys.

You don't think the headline, with the "Scary" tag, and greenlit, is casting the UK in a bad light? If the headline just said they were being deported and the tag was "Obvious" then that would be different.
Yet a couple of days ago a submission that showed the UK in a good light, cracking down on human rights violators, with a "Hero" tag, was redlit. Why green a headline about two violent criminals being (possibly) deported but not green a headline about cracking down on international human rights violators?

It's not 100%, but Farks admins do seem to prefer headlines and links that show the UK, and particularly Brexit, in a bad light. Positive stories are mostly not greened.


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2020-07-11 12:50:45 AM  
I am interested in the other 11. 13 KIDS all illegal.  Hopefully some of their siblings are more sensible and have gotten their citizenship.
 
2020-07-11 3:12:49 AM  
This is were they farked up.

A spokesman for Ealing Council said its children's services team had "repeatedly engaged with both Darren and Darrell" to allow them to apply for immigration status.
But he said "neither of the young men signed the documentation to allow it to be progressed".
 
2020-07-11 4:34:57 AM  

Pinko_Commie: YouPeopleAreCrazy: "when released from jail for grievous bodily harm. "
"His twin Darren remains in prison on a separate sentence for grievous bodily harm "

"children's services team had "repeatedly engaged with both Darren and Darrell" to allow them to apply for immigration status.
But he said "neither of the young men signed the documentation to allow it to be progressed".


Yeah, not feeling a lot of sympathy there.

Hmm, kids who have been bounced around the fostering system being reticent to sign paperwork shoved in front of them and probably not explained to them quite how important it was...

While they've obviously made shiat choices in life these pair seem to have been utterly failed by social services.

Social services were their legal parents, they should have ensured that they were naturalised years ago.It's one of the first things that should have happened after they were taken into care after their mother died.


I read that as neutralized and felt things got dark really quickly.
 
2020-07-11 4:38:31 AM  
If you can't do the deportation, don't do the crime.
 
2020-07-11 4:52:52 AM  

Rattrap007: talkertopc: The article only have pictures of them when they were young and looking innocent, I'm guessing it's an effort by their lawyer to attract sympathies.

i glanced at the article at first and saw tween aged kids. I thought "can't they get adopted?" Then read they were 24 and were getting out of jail. All my sympathy was gone in an instant. Fark them.


I'm a bit divided on this stuff.

I surely won't lose sleep over them; there are a solid billion people ahead of them in line for my tears.

But people usually aren't born monsters. A shiatty first fifteen sets people on a nasty path, yet we have tons of evidence that people can and do get better. Anyone who believes felons deserve the right to vote ought to believe these two shouldn't be deported to countries they've never lived in. The latter is infinitely worse than the former. So what makes this different? Does Fark all of a sudden believe citizenship is a magical status that changes what individual humans do and don't deserve?

I say people certainly deserve their opinions on this one, but would urge consistency in beliefs. If you don't at least attempt internal consistency in your ethics, do you even have any at all?
 
2020-07-11 5:13:05 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Mollari: /The rest of the world hated the UK, long before they hated the USA.

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I love the British Museum. It's a glorious monument to theft on a truly global scale.
 
2020-07-11 7:46:48 AM  

Erebus1954: Immigration is good for a country. And those Caribbean countries are hurting. They need the immigrants much more than the UK.


You mean violent criminals?

/grievous holding harm, aka felony assault
 
2020-07-11 7:48:37 AM  

Sean VasDeferens: Why is this news?


Because brown people getting deported is always bad.

/also government incompetence is funny
 
2020-07-11 8:03:31 AM  

yms: Carter Pewterschmidt: CluelessMoron: Carter Pewterschmidt: Fark when a British citizen who emigrated to the US makes racist comments to Asians at a restaurant: "Deport him! Send him back to the UK!"
Fark when two people without British citizenship are both convicted of serious violent crimes: "How dare the UK deport them!"

There was literally not one single post above yours sympathetic to these guys.

You don't think the headline, with the "Scary" tag, and greenlit, is casting the UK in a bad light? If the headline just said they were being deported and the tag was "Obvious" then that would be different.
Yet a couple of days ago a submission that showed the UK in a good light, cracking down on human rights violators, with a "Hero" tag, was redlit. Why green a headline about two violent criminals being (possibly) deported but not green a headline about cracking down on international human rights violators?

It's not 100%, but Farks admins do seem to prefer headlines and links that show the UK, and particularly Brexit, in a bad light. Positive stories are mostly not greened.

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so hot.
 
2020-07-11 8:41:28 AM  

Nidiot: Both were found guilty and are serving sentences for grievous bodily harm, so I'm not feeling a lot of sympathy. If you want to live in a decent society then you need to behave like decent human.

What was the weird bit? That these two couldn't even be bothered to sign paperwork to become a legal citizen when other people organised it for them?


Its the fault of their parents, who made that decision for them at birth.

Reminds me about two Kurdish kids, with Turkish passports. An Italian backpacker tried to score some hashish in Copenhagen, but the kids, well, they were 16, didn't have any.

Instead they tried to steal his cap, and then stabbed him in the heart.


Neither of the kids spoke any language but Danish, knew nothing about Turkey, one was borderline retarded.


Noone have a shiat when they were given a one-way ticket to Turkey.


I feel the same about these kids, sure, their parents should have taken care of their citizenship. Good thing they didn't though, as now the UK gets a chance to kick those pieces of shiat out.
 
2020-07-11 9:06:58 AM  

Nidiot: TrashcanMan: Nidiot: Both were found guilty and are serving sentences for grievous bodily harm, so I'm not feeling a lot of sympathy. If you want to live in a decent society then you need to behave like decent human.

What was the weird bit? That these two couldn't even be bothered to sign paperwork to become a legal citizen when other people organised it for them?

this post ooooooozes empathy

It would appear I have as much empathy for them as they had for the people they beat up. I don't have empathy for child molesters, or rapists, or murders either. Some people have voided their right to empathy by their own behaviour.

Want to be treated like a decent human, then behave like one first.


hmmm....wonder if you feel the same way about the rich and powerful hoarding all the wealth?

naaaaawww...it's all the poor's fault.
 
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