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(The Week)   You want someone to blame for Trump running out the clock on his tax returns? Blame House Democrats   (theweek.com) divider line
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2020-07-10 9:44:36 AM  
Yeah! Those nasty Democrats shouldn't have been dressed like that!

/ Maybe if Donny quit with the crimes?
 
2020-07-10 10:08:46 AM  
So, it's the Democrats fault that Trump flouts the law and is encouraged and cheered on by Republicans while he does it.  Thanks for that riveting analysis.  It reminds of the time when I was young and stole a bottle of whiskey from my Dad and ended up being discovered trashed in the garage sitting in a pile of my own vomit.  Why didn't my little brother do more to stop me.  He's the one at fault there.  We really should have been more critical of him.
 
2020-07-10 10:21:22 AM  
Look: a 7-2 decision says to me that it it wasn't a political decision but a technical and legal decision. so it says to me that the Democratic Party tried forcing the issue as quickly as they could.
 
2020-07-10 10:46:12 AM  
I will not
 
2020-07-10 11:13:49 AM  
Article isn't wrong. Democrats are terrible at being the opposition party and Neal in particular acted at glacial speed.
 
2020-07-10 1:08:04 PM  
So the key to reining in the rampant corruption and stupidity of the GOP is voting out their opposition and giving the GOP more power?

Nice try schlubby. Now pull the other one.
 
2020-07-10 1:47:12 PM  
They should have impeached him harder.
 
2020-07-10 2:14:11 PM  
Talking about Trump's taxes is a distraction from his colossal failures on the economy and the pandemic. Stay focused.
 
2020-07-10 2:15:36 PM  
Things that are the Democrats fault:
1) Things Democrats do.
2) Things Republicans do.
 
2020-07-10 2:16:41 PM  
Trump comes from a long line of people that have made the law. He's the sweetest little weasel out there. If they had done everything exactly the way they could have to expedite the process, he would still come out smelling like a rose because he would have found another way to circumvent it. Saying this is the Democrats fault is b*******. Could they be more aggressive? Probably. Would it have solved this problem? Absolutely not
 
2020-07-10 2:17:00 PM  
Every awful thing the Republicans do is the fault of the Democrats.
 
2020-07-10 2:17:36 PM  
Was this written by a certain farker?
 
2020-07-10 2:18:24 PM  
The tax returns wouldn't have swayed anyone's political opinions at this point.  I'd much prefer seeing them used to prosecute Trump, his family of conmen, and everyone who facilitated the crimes associated with the tax returns.
 
2020-07-10 2:18:47 PM  
Yup, Democrats deliberately gave up their chances to control both houses of Congress for the entirety of Donnie's term so they could whine instead of doing any real work.

That Deep State sure is lazy.
 
2020-07-10 2:18:55 PM  

Epic Fap Session: Things that are the Democrats fault:
1) Things Democrats do.
2) Things Republicans do.


and
3) Things Democrats don't do.
 
2020-07-10 2:19:51 PM  
Knew this was written by Ryan Cooper before clicking on it. My psychic powers will soon make me unstoppable.
 
2020-07-10 2:20:03 PM  

Wyalt Derp: Every awful thing the Republicans do is the fault of the Democrats.


When corrupt cops dont do anything about people murdering, raping and stealing, do people blame the murderers, the rapists and the thieves or the farking cops not doing anything? Oh right.

Most democrats are pro-status quo millionaires who dont give a fark about the people who put them in office. Nothing will change till most of the democrats in office are progressives willing to cut the throat of the nazis in DC and stop being nice to them.
 
2020-07-10 2:21:01 PM  
Sounds like

Yet Another Republican Spin.

Like "OK, Boomer",
 
2020-07-10 2:21:12 PM  
Why didn't they throw Moscow Mitch down the stairs when they had the chance?!?
 
2020-07-10 2:22:54 PM  
Remember, folks:

If you get sick, it's really your doctor's fault for letting it happen.

If you get robbed, it's really the police's fault for letting it happen.

If your car breaks down, it's really your mechanic's fault for letting it happen.
 
2020-07-10 2:23:18 PM  
To the author: You are an asshole!

FTA: The American people will probably not have vital information about Trump's corruption and failures when they vote this November because Democrats have been too timid and cowardly to get it.

No, they aren't going to get the information because of Trump's direction to illegally ignore House subpoena's to cover up for his crimes. The Democrats can't do anything about it, because the Republican led Senate has already affirmed that they will not hold Trump accountable for his crimes. All smart people already know that the Senate will do the same again, no matter the crimes Trump commits or the charges brought before the Senate. The same can be said of directly trying to impeach Mnuchin, Barr, or any other administration official.
 
2020-07-10 2:23:24 PM  
Ugh.  The article is based on this: Congress could have sent the house sergeant-at-arms into the IRS and demanded they be produced - threatening employees with arrest and detention under Congress' inherent contempt powers if they refused.

In theory, this is correct.  In practice, the sergeant at arms hasn't acted like a cop of that sort since 1927.  Doing such would be a major breach of standard protocol.  Yeah, yeah, Trump is a unique threat, but it's simply something Congress no longer does.
 
2020-07-10 2:24:41 PM  

Doctor Funkenstein: So, it's the Democrats fault that Trump flouts the law and is encouraged and cheered on by Republicans while he does it.  Thanks for that riveting analysis.  It reminds of the time when I was young and stole a bottle of whiskey from my Dad and ended up being discovered trashed in the garage sitting in a pile of my own vomit.  Why didn't my little brother do more to stop me.  He's the one at fault there.  We really should have been more critical of him.


Littler brother? Maybe not. But speaking as an older brother taxed/tasked with watching an ADHD-afflicted younger brother: yes, if he was told to look after you, if it was his job to look after you, and he didn't do everything he could to keep that from happening, he is also at fault. That is what "oversight" means.

Trump is at fault. The Republicans are at fault for enabling him. If the House is not exercising the oversight they are supposed to exercise to the fullest extent of their powers then the House - currently controlled by the Democrats! - is also at fault. This is not hard, it's not a farking team sport, and just because you personally do not believe in anything or expect anything from your elected officials except to not be Donald Trump doesn't mean anybody else shouldn't because that is a pretty farking low bar, my dude.
 
2020-07-10 2:24:51 PM  
Nope. I'm a standard wife-beating BernieBro willing to happily eat his own, but Democrats carry 0% of the blame on Trump's tax returns. The NYAG is one of the few people actually doing everything correctly.
 
2020-07-10 2:24:56 PM  
Your husband wouldn't beat you if you let him cheat on you without complaining.
 
2020-07-10 2:25:27 PM  
"Any Ways and Means chair taking his constitutional and moral responsibilities seriously would have filed a lawsuit to get Trump's tax returns on the first day of the new Congress in 2019."

Really?  They would have gotten pilloried by the press for going on a fishing expedition with no cause.  On the first day of the new Congress most people were not expecting much from Trump but were willing to giving him a fair shot.
 
2020-07-10 2:25:28 PM  
The article is right.

It's not saying Democrats are responsible for Trump crimes, it's saying that Democrats have been woefully ineffective at welding the power they do have to check the president.

Remember when Obama was president for 8 years and ran things by the book and was essentially scandal free? Remember how Republicans gridlocked him? Imagine if Obama had been 1/100th as blatantly incompetent and corrupt as Trump has been, do you think the Republicans wouldnt have had him up to his ears in lawsuits by the end of his first month in office? Let's face it. The trump administration is Lucy with the football and pelosi, and Schumer are Charlie Brown. "You promise you're going to respond to the polite letter this time right? Oh well you lied I guess we'll issue a subpoena you'll respect that right? Oh you lied again well we will sue you then if you don't comply within oh the next month or two. Oh whats that you need another two months to think it over? Okay but mark our words were serious about this! Oh after 2 years you're telling us to get bent! Well that tears it were going to sue! Just you wait Mr when the Roberts supreme court gets around to kicking this back down to a lower court for more appeals in two years you're going to be in big trouble!"
 
2020-07-10 2:25:42 PM  

Sin'sHero: Epic Fap Session: Things that are the Democrats fault:
1) Things Democrats do.
2) Things Republicans do.

and
3) Things Democrats don't do.


4) removing all mayo monday from the house cafeteria
 
2020-07-10 2:27:39 PM  
The House and Senate Republicans shut down the government repeatedly for no other reason than the president's still being black.

That the House Democrats don't want to work hard to impeach a president who flagrantly breaks the law on a daily basis cannot help but look like laziness and intentional sloth in contrast.
 
2020-07-10 2:27:48 PM  
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2020-07-10 2:28:04 PM  
Turns out when you don't enforce subpoenas and just write sternly worded letters, evil people keep getting away with evil shiat. Who knew??

Democrats are cowards. Yes, this is partially their fault. They can punish Republicans and deter them but choose not to, and in doing so, they enable the Republicans.
 
2020-07-10 2:28:11 PM  

Anonymous Bosch: Doctor Funkenstein: So, it's the Democrats fault that Trump flouts the law and is encouraged and cheered on by Republicans while he does it.  Thanks for that riveting analysis.  It reminds of the time when I was young and stole a bottle of whiskey from my Dad and ended up being discovered trashed in the garage sitting in a pile of my own vomit.  Why didn't my little brother do more to stop me.  He's the one at fault there.  We really should have been more critical of him.

Littler brother? Maybe not. But speaking as an older brother taxed/tasked with watching an ADHD-afflicted younger brother: yes, if he was told to look after you, if it was his job to look after you, and he didn't do everything he could to keep that from happening, he is also at fault. That is what "oversight" means.

Trump is at fault. The Republicans are at fault for enabling him. If the House is not exercising the oversight they are supposed to exercise to the fullest extent of their powers then the House - currently controlled by the Democrats! - is also at fault. This is not hard, it's not a farking team sport, and just because you personally do not believe in anything or expect anything from your elected officials except to not be Donald Trump doesn't mean anybody else shouldn't because that is a pretty farking low bar, my dude.


This guy gets it. The fact that the Democrat Party hasn't impeached Trump yet just goes to show their complicity.

Why won't they do something?
 
2020-07-10 2:28:23 PM  
Fscking Repubs and their whitewashing of everything.
 
2020-07-10 2:28:26 PM  

mathamagical: It's not saying Democrats are responsible for Trump crimes, it's saying that Democrats have been woefully ineffective at welding the power they do have to check the president...


While that statement is true about some other things, it's not the case for Trump's tax returns. They followed all legal steps to get Trump to produce them. We don't run the courts.
 
2020-07-10 2:28:32 PM  

czei: "Any Ways and Means chair taking his constitutional and moral responsibilities seriously would have filed a lawsuit to get Trump's tax returns on the first day of the new Congress in 2019."

Really?  They would have gotten pilloried by the press for going on a fishing expedition with no cause.  On the first day of the new Congress most people were not expecting much from Trump but were willing to giving him a fair shot.


People were. However by august of 2017 his approval was about the lowest it's been in his entire presidency and it was obvious he was a corrupt lying bag of shiat and the democrats should have started up the bulldozers instead of waited until 2019 to think about starting to look into some of the crimes.
 
2020-07-10 2:30:00 PM  
OH fark off. Trump is the one who will not release his tax returns.
 
2020-07-10 2:30:07 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Why didn't they throw Moscow Mitch down the stairs when they had the chance?!?


They are pissed at the turtle too. They should look up irony.

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2020-07-10 2:30:59 PM  
I mean, if Nancy Pelosi would just impeach him a little harder, surely this dumpster fire of an administration would just surrender.
 
2020-07-10 2:31:16 PM  

bluejeansonfire: Turns out when you don't enforce subpoenas and just write sternly worded letters, evil people keep getting away with evil shiat. Who knew??

Democrats are cowards. Yes, this is partially their fault. They can punish Republicans and deter them but choose not to, and in doing so, they enable the Republicans.


Yup. They could've thrown people into jail left and right during the impeachment trial for refusing to testify if it weren't just another bigass pretend-to-careathon BuT wHAt aBoUT THe OptiCS fOX nEWs WilL sAy meaN THiNGs AboUT UuuuuUUuuUUUuuuuus. Chickenshiats, every single one.
 
2020-07-10 2:31:21 PM  

Anonymous Bosch: Trump is at fault. The Republicans are at fault for enabling him. If the House is not exercising the oversight they are supposed to exercise to the fullest extent of their powers then the House - currently controlled by the Democrats! - is also at fault. This is not hard, it's not a farking team sport, and just because you personally do not believe in anything or expect anything from your elected officials except to not be Donald Trump doesn't mean anybody else shouldn't because that is a pretty farking low bar, my dude.


No! Blaming the House Democrats for not wasting huge amounts of time and money doing something useless is idiotic. The only useful thing for them to do at this point is work on winning the election.
 
2020-07-10 2:31:39 PM  

UltimaCS: mathamagical: It's not saying Democrats are responsible for Trump crimes, it's saying that Democrats have been woefully ineffective at welding the power they do have to check the president...

While that statement is true about some other things, it's not the case for Trump's tax returns. They followed all legal steps to get Trump to produce them. We don't run the courts.


We all know the speed at which scotus moves and we all know when you need to get things filed if you don't want the cowardly Roberts court to just run out the clock to avoid making a meaningful ruling.
 
2020-07-10 2:31:59 PM  

mathamagical: The article is right.

It's not saying Democrats are responsible for Trump crimes, it's saying that Democrats have been woefully ineffective at welding the power they do have to check the president.

Remember when Obama was president for 8 years and ran things by the book and was essentially scandal free? Remember how Republicans gridlocked him? Imagine if Obama had been 1/100th as blatantly incompetent and corrupt as Trump has been, do you think the Republicans wouldnt have had him up to his ears in lawsuits by the end of his first month in office? Let's face it. The trump administration is Lucy with the football and pelosi, and Schumer are Charlie Brown. "You promise you're going to respond to the polite letter this time right? Oh well you lied I guess we'll issue a subpoena you'll respect that right? Oh you lied again well we will sue you then if you don't comply within oh the next month or two. Oh whats that you need another two months to think it over? Okay but mark our words were serious about this! Oh after 2 years you're telling us to get bent! Well that tears it were going to sue! Just you wait Mr when the Roberts supreme court gets around to kicking this back down to a lower court for more appeals in two years you're going to be in big trouble!"


If were working on hypotheticals, the GOP would have filed a lawsuit to get Obama's taxes the second their hands left the bible after inauguration. It's sickening that they were so ineffective and timid dealing with Trump.
 
2020-07-10 2:32:42 PM  

Geotpf: Ugh.  The article is based on this: Congress could have sent the house sergeant-at-arms into the IRS and demanded they be produced - threatening employees with arrest and detention under Congress' inherent contempt powers if they refused.

In theory, this is correct.  In practice, the sergeant at arms hasn't acted like a cop of that sort since 1927.  Doing such would be a major breach of standard protocol.  Yeah, yeah, Trump is a unique threat, but it's simply something Congress no longer does.


So farking what?

You know what else Congress no longer does? Seat justices to the Supreme Court who were nominated by Democratic presidents.

the dems playing nice and not using legal means available out tradition while the rumps violate every norm to protect and empower a.treasonous and corrupt administration is only good for the rumps.

So, I mean, I get why that's your position, but it shouldn't be any Democrat's position
 
2020-07-10 2:32:57 PM  

avian: Anonymous Bosch: Trump is at fault. The Republicans are at fault for enabling him. If the House is not exercising the oversight they are supposed to exercise to the fullest extent of their powers then the House - currently controlled by the Democrats! - is also at fault. This is not hard, it's not a farking team sport, and just because you personally do not believe in anything or expect anything from your elected officials except to not be Donald Trump doesn't mean anybody else shouldn't because that is a pretty farking low bar, my dude.

No! Blaming the House Democrats for not wasting huge amounts of time and money doing something useless is idiotic. The only useful thing for them to do at this point is work on winning the election.


fark the election and fark you. If I sat around not doing my best at a job because I was waiting until after the contract renewal to see if I was going to be rehired I would be fired, so would you, and so should they.
 
2020-07-10 2:33:09 PM  

SolderGlob: mathamagical: The article is right.

It's not saying Democrats are responsible for Trump crimes, it's saying that Democrats have been woefully ineffective at welding the power they do have to check the president.

Remember when Obama was president for 8 years and ran things by the book and was essentially scandal free? Remember how Republicans gridlocked him? Imagine if Obama had been 1/100th as blatantly incompetent and corrupt as Trump has been, do you think the Republicans wouldnt have had him up to his ears in lawsuits by the end of his first month in office? Let's face it. The trump administration is Lucy with the football and pelosi, and Schumer are Charlie Brown. "You promise you're going to respond to the polite letter this time right? Oh well you lied I guess we'll issue a subpoena you'll respect that right? Oh you lied again well we will sue you then if you don't comply within oh the next month or two. Oh whats that you need another two months to think it over? Okay but mark our words were serious about this! Oh after 2 years you're telling us to get bent! Well that tears it were going to sue! Just you wait Mr when the Roberts supreme court gets around to kicking this back down to a lower court for more appeals in two years you're going to be in big trouble!"

If were working on hypotheticals, the GOP would have filed a lawsuit to get Obama's taxes the second their hands left the bible after inauguration. It's sickening that they were so ineffective and timid dealing with Trump.


Hell it's not even really a hypothetical, there were Republicans at every level of government who made political careers out of repeatedly suing the Obama administration over frivolous bullshiat.
 
2020-07-10 2:34:17 PM  
Speaking of taxes, what is the current situation on those state(s) that are requiring that the presidential candidate release their tax information before they can get on the ballot?

/too lazy to do the Google
//I haz a Fridays
 
2020-07-10 2:34:51 PM  

mathamagical: The article is right.

It's not saying Democrats are responsible for Trump crimes, it's saying that Democrats have been woefully ineffective at welding the power they do have to check the president.

Remember when Obama was president for 8 years and ran things by the book and was essentially scandal free? Remember how Republicans gridlocked him? Imagine if Obama had been 1/100th as blatantly incompetent and corrupt as Trump has been, do you think the Republicans wouldnt have had him up to his ears in lawsuits by the end of his first month in office? Let's face it. The trump administration is Lucy with the football and pelosi, and Schumer are Charlie Brown. "You promise you're going to respond to the polite letter this time right? Oh well you lied I guess we'll issue a subpoena you'll respect that right? Oh you lied again well we will sue you then if you don't comply within oh the next month or two. Oh whats that you need another two months to think it over? Okay but mark our words were serious about this! Oh after 2 years you're telling us to get bent! Well that tears it were going to sue! Just you wait Mr when the Roberts supreme court gets around to kicking this back down to a lower court for more appeals in two years you're going to be in big trouble!"


So you are blaming the Democrats because they have morals! Creating gridlock and launching investigation because the leader belongs to the opposite party is WRONG! Instead you want them to throw away their morality like the Republicans did decades ago.
 
2020-07-10 2:35:23 PM  
If you didn't know you were being scammed you are too farkin dumb to keep this job; If you did know you were in in it. Either way you're out.
 
2020-07-10 2:36:10 PM  
Yeah after the Mueller report and the impeachment. THIS is what will really will turn minds against Trump.

*Eyeroll*
 
2020-07-10 2:36:24 PM  

Cokezeroinacan: Knew this was written by Ryan Cooper before clicking on it. My psychic powers will soon make me unstoppable.


Can you help me find my TV remote?
 
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