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(Las Vegas Sun)   Remember when Nevada closed bars in Las Vegas and Reno a few months ago? It was so much fun Nevada has decided to do it again   (lasvegassun.com) divider line
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2020-07-10 3:20:44 AM  
Now close the casinos and malls again. Our numbers are skyrocketing.
 
2020-07-10 6:35:53 AM  
Wait a sec, I just saw an ad on TV proudly trumpeting that Las Vegas was OPEN.  I guess the virus watched the same commercial.
 
2020-07-10 6:42:42 AM  
"The governor's announcement comes as lawmakers in Carson City are discussing how best to fill a $1.15 budget shortfall caused by the economic crisis of the pandemic."

Have they checked the couch for spare change?
 
2020-07-10 6:50:01 AM  
Same thing In Delaware, opened up bars and restaurants, didn't do the outside seating first, they did 50% seating inside, at a distance but it was kinda ignored and now they are shut down again with a nice spike. People just getting cocky and complacent about it, it is why I am calling a mulligan this summer and not doing anything that has to do with being around people, might even extend it into the fall.
 
2020-07-10 6:52:06 AM  

BadReligion: Now close the casinos and malls again. Our numbers are skyrocketing.


That's unlikely to do much, if anything. The barn door flew open when mass protests were encouraged, the same way the Spanish flu was inflamed by patriotic parades. Disease doesn't care if politicians flip flop on their quarantine stance.
This will only serve as a collective punishment to those who didn't enjoy that moment of sunshine. People are more likely to riot against new closures than it obey them closely enough for any meaningful impact.
You'd be lucky if you can enforce mask laws, what with all the cops quitting and people ignoring guidelines.

/If the death rate isn't spiking at the same level as the infection rate then these probably aren't 'new' cases.
/people got infected over a month ago and the testing is just catching up to that.
 
2020-07-10 6:52:52 AM  
The problem(well, one of them) appears to be that the interests of the government (money), the interests of the people (don't want to die), and the businesses (driven solely by financial matters) no  longer seem to coincide.  Maybe if we put state and local governments on the hook for their citizens health costs they might become more proactive.  That might bring everybody (businesses that pay taxes, the government that would be paying for healthcare (via taxes!), and the citizens-who don't want to run up an amazing dept and then still die) into accord.

/Tip for the businesses pushing to be open:without living customers you don't have a business.

//Tip for the government:without healthy citizens, you no longer have an economy--if businesses collapse, your citizens could make more.  If your citizens collapse...you're screwed.
 
2020-07-10 6:58:17 AM  
"I blame testing!" -President Donald J. Trump.
 
2020-07-10 7:09:04 AM  

SecondaryControl: The problem(well, one of them) appears to be that the interests of the government (money), the interests of the people (don't want to die), and the businesses (driven solely by financial matters) no  longer seem to coincide.  Maybe if we put state and local governments on the hook for their citizens health costs they might become more proactive.  That might bring everybody (businesses that pay taxes, the government that would be paying for healthcare (via taxes!), and the citizens-who don't want to run up an amazing dept and then still die) into accord.

/Tip for the businesses pushing to be open:without living customers you don't have a business.

//Tip for the government:without healthy citizens, you no longer have an economy--if businesses collapse, your citizens could make more.  If your citizens collapse...you're screwed.


People need to get that you can't have a good economy while people are still getting sick and dying. Economies do not function in times of fear because people hoard whatever money they have. Plus, many people do not want to go out and spend money even if you make that available because they'll get sick. A good president would be able to lay this out pretty well. You deal with the health issue and then the economy recovers, not the reverse.
 
2020-07-10 7:11:48 AM  
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Interpreter looks thrilled.
 
2020-07-10 7:20:20 AM  
Ms. Fat Booty
 
2020-07-10 7:21:25 AM  

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Interpreter looks thrilled.


That hand position reminded me of:
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2020-07-10 7:26:10 AM  

groppet: Same thing In Delaware, opened up bars and restaurants, didn't do the outside seating first, they did 50% seating inside, at a distance but it was kinda ignored and now they are shut down again with a nice spike. People just getting cocky and complacent about it, it is why I am calling a mulligan this summer and not doing anything that has to do with being around people, might even extend it into the fall.


It's been a rather bemusing thing to witness from over here: Wearing a mask to protect everyone being protested against as 'government overreach' and 'violating civil liberty', with complete conviction, and total sincerity.

I first thought it a joke by performance artists. Honestly.

The 'whatabouts' regarding Sweden have been ridiculous, and from the same group of people protesting masks, too.

I hate to say this, but: F*ck the economy. The nation needs to heal, and needs to reflect on unwise use of public funds (looking at you, military police budgets)
 
2020-07-10 7:29:05 AM  

SecondaryControl: The problem(well, one of them) appears to be that the interests of the government (money), the interests of the people (don't want to die), and the businesses (driven solely by financial matters) no  longer seem to coincide.  Maybe if we put state and local governments on the hook for their citizens health costs they might become more proactive.  That might bring everybody (businesses that pay taxes, the government that would be paying for healthcare (via taxes!), and the citizens-who don't want to run up an amazing dept and then still die) into accord.

/Tip for the businesses pushing to be open:without living customers you don't have a business.

//Tip for the government:without healthy citizens, you no longer have an economy--if businesses collapse, your citizens could make more.  If your citizens collapse...you're screwed.


You're ignoring the  citizens role in this.  If people complied with government orders then we wouldn't have had a crisis to begin with. Instead they're pushing back to varying degrees. Some aren't wearing masks, many certainly aren't self quarantining.
Government isn't liable for your choices. A politician can try to wrap his iron fist around you and force compliance, maybe concentrate all of the offenders in a camp somewhere, but these same politicians rolled on the people that served as their fingers. So going back to lockdown wouldn't be possible even if no one cared about the money
Which we all obviously do. Government handouts won't carry us for long.

It's not hard to see why people are making these choices.  They got bills to pay and this isn't the Black Death. When the millions-pon-millions of casualties didn't appear the average person would weight their odds and carry about their business.  They might be bad at math but their choices apparently haven't been influenced by the present consequences. If they were so interested in avoiding death then you wouldn't need to go overboard promoting the threat.

The politicians may want to stomp their feet and complain on Twitter about that, but they themselves were caught issuing inconsistent mandates. They burned what credibility they had and now people don't care.
 
2020-07-10 8:22:42 AM  

BadReligion: Now close the casinos and malls again. Our numbers are skyrocketing.


Give it a few days.
 
2020-07-10 8:32:08 AM  

Destructor: "I blame testing!" -President Donald J. Trump.


"I blame protests in the Northeast for an outbreak in the Southwest!"

--FARK bigly brains
 
2020-07-10 8:47:40 AM  

born_yesterday: Destructor: "I blame testing!" -President Donald J. Trump.

"I blame protests in the Northeast for an outbreak in the Southwest!"

--FARK bigly brains


So You believe there were no protests in the south west?

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2020-07-10 8:57:53 AM  

Great_Milenko: BadReligion: Now close the casinos and malls again. Our numbers are skyrocketing.

Give it a few days.


What happens then?

People say "shut it down" while absolutely ignoring the economic consequences, especially in a place like Vegas.

I think we should have stayed closed another 30 days to begin with, but we didn't. And it's a miracle the devastation wasn't any worse than it was. Shutting everything down again, without a simultaneous plan of "...and this is how I will keep over half of the states workforce off the street" is nearly as irresponsible as keeping everything open without restriction.
 
2020-07-10 9:12:52 AM  
This is driving me crazy. The way we could reopen everything is by wearing masks and tweaking a few things to reduce close physical interactions. But we can't because Fox News convinced their viewers that they need to be constantly afraid of libs and conspiracy theories, and to react with anger anytime someone tells them to to anything.

"Wearing a mask = they're getting ready to take your guns!!!!"
 
2020-07-10 9:21:35 AM  

Resident Muslim: grokca: [media.lasvegassun.com image 653x396]
Interpreter looks thrilled.

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2020-07-10 9:23:08 AM  

CalvinMorallis: Great_Milenko: BadReligion: Now close the casinos and malls again. Our numbers are skyrocketing.

Give it a few days.

What happens then?

People say "shut it down" while absolutely ignoring the economic consequences, especially in a place like Vegas.

I think we should have stayed closed another 30 days to begin with, but we didn't. And it's a miracle the devastation wasn't any worse than it was. Shutting everything down again, without a simultaneous plan of "...and this is how I will keep over half of the states workforce off the street" is nearly as irresponsible as keeping everything open without restriction.


There has to be a way to keep the economy stable during all this.  If not, we'll be trapped in a cycle of opening and closing while cases fall and rise repeatedly.  Sooner or later we need to stop picking at this scab and do what has to be done.
 
2020-07-10 9:30:40 AM  

mofa: This is driving me crazy. The way we could reopen everything is by wearing masks and tweaking a few things to reduce close physical interactions. But we can't because Fox News convinced their viewers that they need to be constantly afraid of libs and conspiracy theories, and to react with anger anytime someone tells them to to anything.

"Wearing a mask = they're getting ready to take your guns!!!!"


Well dey already tuk ur jerbs, ur gunz are the next step.

We had a chance to handle this right from the beginning.  Large scale testing, quarantining the infected to stop the spread, widespread use of masks and social distancing, common sense closures (large events, bars, limited occupancy for restaurants, etc) and the economy could have moved along more or less intact.

But that would have required competent leadership from the top.  All we got were "closing the barn door after the horses run away" travel bans, instantly contradicting health care experts, toilet paper hoarding, and assurances the whole thing would just go away because reasons.   With no leadership, some states took it seriously, some didn't.  Add in the conspiracy theory nonsense and here we are.
 
2020-07-10 9:32:57 AM  

Great_Milenko: CalvinMorallis: Great_Milenko: BadReligion: Now close the casinos and malls again. Our numbers are skyrocketing.

Give it a few days.

What happens then?

People say "shut it down" while absolutely ignoring the economic consequences, especially in a place like Vegas.

I think we should have stayed closed another 30 days to begin with, but we didn't. And it's a miracle the devastation wasn't any worse than it was. Shutting everything down again, without a simultaneous plan of "...and this is how I will keep over half of the states workforce off the street" is nearly as irresponsible as keeping everything open without restriction.

There has to be a way to keep the economy stable during all this.  If not, we'll be trapped in a cycle of opening and closing while cases fall and rise repeatedly.  Sooner or later we need to stop picking at this scab and do what has to be done.


Exactly.  I don't doubt the governor at all when he says "these are hard choices" and "I don't take this lightly".  And I also don't doubt the motivations (for the most part) of people who say "good! Now shut it all down!"  But that attitude undeniably comes from a place of not having to worry about paying your own bills as a result of these decisions.

If the governor himself got the brunt of his salary from bar tending on the weekends, he still may have decided to close the bars again... but I also guarantee the announcement would have been simultaneously accompanied with a statement of "...and this is what we're doing to  ensure this latest protective step doesn't put you in an even more untenable position"
 
2020-07-10 9:34:21 AM  

groppet: I am calling a mulligan this summer


Sorry, I have plans.
 
2020-07-10 9:35:28 AM  

way south: BadReligion: Now close the casinos and malls again. Our numbers are skyrocketing.

That's unlikely to do much, if anything. The barn door flew open when mass protests were encouraged, the same way the Spanish flu was inflamed by patriotic parades. Disease doesn't care if politicians flip flop on their quarantine stance.
This will only serve as a collective punishment to those who didn't enjoy that moment of sunshine. People are more likely to riot against new closures than it obey them closely enough for any meaningful impact.
You'd be lucky if you can enforce mask laws, what with all the cops quitting and people ignoring guidelines.

/If the death rate isn't spiking at the same level as the infection rate then these probably aren't 'new' cases.
/people got infected over a month ago and the testing is just catching up to that.


Look at that pile of road apples.
 
2020-07-10 9:48:02 AM  
The rest of the planet will be back to normal next winter, while the U.S. will just be starting the second wave.
 
2020-07-10 10:11:12 AM  

CalvinMorallis: Exactly. I don't doubt the governor at all when he says "these are hard choices" and "I don't take this lightly". And I also don't doubt the motivations (for the most part) of people who say "good! Now shut it all down!" But that attitude undeniably comes from a place of not having to worry about paying your own bills as a result of these decisions.

If the governor himself got the brunt of his salary from bar tending on the weekends, he still may have decided to close the bars again... but I also guarantee the announcement would have been simultaneously accompanied with a statement of "...and this is what we're doing to ensure this latest protective step doesn't put you in an even more untenable position"


As a real answer: A command economy.

If the government is going to take the extra-ordinary step of halting large swaths of commerce, then the central ethos should be administrative fiat for maximum taxpayer utility. Rent and mortgage freezes, any banks selling those mortgages as bonds will be exempt from paying services fees, the state level balanced budget requirement is ignored until further notice, eligibility for anti-poverty programs is expanded, and the national guard will serve as supply logistics crews for at-risk populations like nursing homes or prisons. Anyone out protesting these measures gets arrested for public endangerment and will be held without bail until the danger is subsided.

It would lead to massive civil unrest if going on too long, but for a short-to-medium term to halt a health problem, it can work. Ideally, the state legislature would follow up the period of absolute state authority with several bills designed to smooth out the rough spots and make everyone whole again (a phase in period for ending bill freezes, a phase out period for expanded public assistance, a 3-4 year plan to pay off the debt accrued during the emergency, full release and apology for all arrested protestors, etc)

This is a public health emergency causing an economy emergency. Fixing the former requires drastic measures, so fixing the latter can be an option.
 
2020-07-10 10:31:53 AM  
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2020-07-10 10:52:03 AM  

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2020-07-10 11:13:44 AM  

way south: born_yesterday: Destructor: "I blame testing!" -President Donald J. Trump.

"I blame protests in the Northeast for an outbreak in the Southwest!"

--FARK bigly brains

So You believe there were no protests in the south west?

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How did Reno 911 handle it? They probably thought they teargassed themselves and then realized it was Junior's burger farts.
 
2020-07-10 11:19:08 AM  
You know... if a new civil war was to break out because of people refusing to wear masks, that'd be the stupidest civil war ever, and since most wars started over stupid shiat, that's saying something.

I'm actually amazed violence hasn't broken out yet because people are literally dying and lives are literally being threatened from all this.
 
2020-07-10 11:50:18 AM  

way south: born_yesterday: Destructor: "I blame testing!" -President Donald J. Trump.

"I blame protests in the Northeast for an outbreak in the Southwest!"

--FARK bigly brains

So You believe there were no protests in the south west?

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CSB:
I'm staying about two blocks from that Reno arch, across the street from City Hall.

A few weeks ago I needed to get groceries, and as I left the apartment I could see a huge gathering in the park in front, and some people out front were talking about the situation heating up there. I thought as soon as I get back I'll get my camera. As I rode the bus past that area, we had to pull over for a group of emergency vehicles headed there.

After getting my groceries, I waited at the bus stop and saw three outbound busses pass on the other side of the street, so I figured an inbound bus should be arriving any moment. Then I got an emergency text stating the city was under curfew, and a passerby told me the busses were shut down. It took me nearly an hour and a half to walk home with my groceries, the whole time wondering what awaits me, if there will be a police line I need to talk my way through.

As I got within a half mile, I could here several destinations of what I later learned were smoke or tear gas canisters deployed by police. But from a few blocks away, when whatever is happening is right in front of your house, your imagination takes those noises personally. The police blocked off the bridge next to my apartment, which protesters had been occupying, so I had to go to another bridge. When I finally got home and turned on the news, I saw they had broken windows and lit parts of City Hall on fire. If my room was on the other side of the building, I could have watched this unfolding right across the street from my front door. And I missed getting photos because I was grocery shopping.
 
2020-07-10 11:52:06 AM  
* detonations, not destinations.
 
2020-07-10 12:08:15 PM  
Changed my travel plans when they closed the Brothels.
 
2020-07-10 12:12:43 PM  
This was always going to be an inevitable outcome because Americans can't afford to be unemployed for long. Other countries at least have some sort of social safety net to keep the population healthy and afloat while they stay at home. But sure, keep whingeing "But-but socialism bad!" some more, America.
 
2020-07-10 12:14:13 PM  

mofa: This is driving me crazy. The way we could reopen everything is by wearing masks and tweaking a few things to reduce close physical interactions. But we can't because Fox News convinced their viewers that they need to be constantly afraid of libs and conspiracy theories, and to react with anger anytime someone tells them to to anything.

"Wearing a mask = they're getting ready to take your guns!!!!"


You should tell the anti maskers that the facial recognition cameras wont work on them if they wear them.
 
2020-07-10 12:22:36 PM  
Lockdown the state, infections go down.  Open up the state, infections go up.  You can't explain that.

Keep the casinos open, if they want to gamble, let them place the ultimate bet.

/Yes that's sarcasm.
 
2020-07-10 12:58:58 PM  

iron de havilland: Resident Muslim: grokca: [media.lasvegassun.com image 653x396]
Interpreter looks thrilled.

That hand position reminded me of:
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I love that gif.
 
2020-07-10 3:44:48 PM  
Could California just shut down its border with Nevada, and reject all traffic to  and from the state? That'd be helpful. We don't need the extra cases.
 
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