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(The Drive)   The F-35 has triggered the biggest change in the Navy's esteemed TOPGUN fighter weapons school, with new graduates being versed in the modern tactics of sitting in the barracks waiting for their planes to be able to fly   (thedrive.com) divider line
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2020-07-09 5:54:40 PM  
What about oiled up beach vollyball?
 
2020-07-09 6:09:35 PM  
Inverted?
 
2020-07-09 6:17:36 PM  
The BFM phase is designed to refine the student's skills when maneuvering the aircraft at high G-forces

You do not want to subject the F-35 to high G forces.  What's the current envelope, 5Gs?

The long-range BVR engagements are likely to be where the biggest changes have come to TOPGUN when it comes to the inclusion of the F-35C

Because the F-35 is only stealthy BVR.

Too bad all engagements these days are within visual range.
 
2020-07-09 6:22:22 PM  

pueblonative: What about oiled up beach vollyball?


That's taut week one of flight school.

/What pun?
 
2020-07-09 7:15:36 PM  
Meh, according to a documentary I saw years ago their classes are pretty easy. They had one where they introduced the instructor, she said a Mig can't do negative G, a pilot disagreed and that was the end of the lecture. That was what, three minutes? And for some reason they held the lecture in a hangar.
 
2020-07-09 7:48:16 PM  
I thought the rules of engagement sort of demand making a visual identification of what you are shooting at because of all of the f***ing times people did not.
 
2020-07-09 8:12:04 PM  
"This is Ghostrider requesting a slot in the repair bay."
"Negative, Ghostrider, the repair bay is full."
 
2020-07-09 9:11:40 PM  
Sir what happens if my missile didn't get him and i need to dogfight ??

easy kid eject button is right here.
 
2020-07-09 9:14:54 PM  
Good article, subby. Read it earlier and found a gem in the comments
"I'm too close for missiles. I'm switching to...also missiles."
 
2020-07-09 9:17:39 PM  

AbuHashish: Good article, subby. Read it earlier and found a gem in the comments
"I'm too close for missiles. I'm switching to...also missiles."


a different missile
 
2020-07-09 9:20:55 PM  
Interesting bit about the increased role for virtual training, among the advantages it gives is "can fly around shooting things down as much as you want, without having to pay for the ammo and clean up the scrap"
 
2020-07-09 9:23:18 PM  
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Yay! F-35! Pontiac Aztek of the skies!
 
2020-07-09 9:29:40 PM  
Just like puberty?

Sitting in around with a bunch of other guys, with all the skills learned from magazines the internet waiting to for the chance to try 'em out in the real world.
 
2020-07-09 9:33:52 PM  

Sin'sHero: Inverted?


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2020-07-09 9:35:03 PM  
+1 subby, also new keyboard
 
2020-07-09 9:36:50 PM  

gaslight: I thought the rules of engagement sort of demand making a visual identification of what you are shooting at because of all of the f***ing times people did not.


They are training for a type of conflict where the current rules or engagement go out the window.
 
2020-07-09 9:42:33 PM  
The F-35 Salesman to the military:

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2020-07-09 9:56:24 PM  
Last time I was at Fallon the was back in the 80s, there were F-18s, but there was still a bunch of F-14s.

My squadron was flying Vietnam era A-7E Corsair II and had even had F-8 Crusaders in our carrier air group.

I feel old.
 
2020-07-09 10:01:51 PM  

Someone Else's Alt: Last time I was at Fallon the was back in the 80s, there were F-18s, but there was still a bunch of F-14s.

My squadron was flying Vietnam era A-7E Corsair II and had even had F-8 Crusaders in our carrier air group.

I feel old.


This story was not funny at all. Goes to show that Fallon has never been funny.
 
2020-07-09 10:12:24 PM  
You could literally dump the ice off an F-4 by inverting it and yelling "RAQUEL WELCH!"

There was another one involving Sophia Loren... but I was never told why.
These f-35s?  Sheesh.

/not an f-4 pilot
//was the family "nephew" of the guy with the plane stories.
//.5 the guy referenced could tell you your loved ones were on fire... and make you feel ok about it.
/// he was instrumental in my "out-calm the ATC" pilot voice development.
 
2020-07-09 10:22:26 PM  
I do admire the pilots.  Smart and hardworking men and women.  Imagine being one of the first two F-35 pilots to graduate from Top Gun.
 
2020-07-09 10:27:17 PM  
They should have bought Eurofighters. I would say Sukhoi F-35, but that might be a stretch.
 
2020-07-09 10:27:53 PM  
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"I hate when it does that."
 
2020-07-09 10:29:26 PM  

lardweasel: There was another one involving Sophia Loren... but I was never told why.


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2020-07-09 10:30:41 PM  
Just sit around in the hangers playing with your joysticks.
 
2020-07-09 10:31:52 PM  
Nice Vespa
 
2020-07-09 10:40:01 PM  

gaslight: I thought the rules of engagement sort of demand making a visual identification of what you are shooting at because of all of the f***ing times people did not.


Different ROE for full scale conflicts
 
2020-07-09 10:41:36 PM  

Someone Else's Alt: Last time I was at Fallon the was back in the 80s, there were F-18s, but there was still a bunch of F-14s.

My squadron was flying Vietnam era A-7E Corsair II and had even had F-8 Crusaders in our carrier air group.

I feel old.


Was stationed in Fallon 1999-2002.  I was mostly on the air to ground side, the old Strike U.
 
2020-07-09 10:42:50 PM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: They should have bought Eurofighters. I would say Sukhoi F-35, but that might be a stretch.


Probably considered Rafales, at least theoretically, but Typhoons are not carrier-capable.
 
2020-07-09 10:53:38 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Because the F-35 is only stealthy BVR.


It's so stealthy, it's never been seen in action...
 
2020-07-09 10:56:25 PM  

bluewave69: Sir what happens if my missile didn't get him and i need to dogfight ??

easy kid eject button is right here.


Start of the Korean War all over again. No one dogfights any more.
 
2020-07-09 10:57:22 PM  

halifaxdatageek: Interesting bit about the increased role for virtual training, among the advantages it gives is "can fly around shooting things down as much as you want, without having to pay for the ammo and clean up the scrap"


They have to use virtual training, the planes don't work.
 
2020-07-09 11:10:54 PM  
Can anyone here remember the last time anyone actually sent up an aircraft to engage a US fighter plane?
 
2020-07-09 11:26:22 PM  
They also spend several days training pilots what to do when the blinker gets stuck.
 
2020-07-09 11:30:36 PM  

NephilimNexus: Can anyone here remember the last time anyone actually sent up an aircraft to engage a US fighter plane?


https://theaviationgeekclub.com/this-​v​fa-81-f-a-18c-driver-scored-the-first-​of-only-two-u-s-navy-mig-kill-during-o​peration-desert-storm/

/I served with Mongo Mongillo at Fallon
 
2020-07-09 11:33:18 PM  

NephilimNexus: Can anyone here remember the last time anyone actually sent up an aircraft to engage a US fighter plane?


Yes.  It was in the 90s.
 
2020-07-09 11:49:42 PM  

gilatrout: Nice Vespa


Where?
 
2020-07-10 12:20:34 AM  
Was reading about canopy coatings and p-static today. Story came up about a discharge from the canopy arcing to the pilots helmet and blinding him for about 30 seconds.

Holy crape!  I'm even gonna wear my ESD strap while Painting model jets from now on.
 
2020-07-10 1:35:13 AM  

NephilimNexus: Can anyone here remember the last time anyone actually sent up an aircraft to engage a US fighter plane?


2001. Fairly effective. At the loss of their pilot they gained access to one of our electronic surveillance planes.
 
2020-07-10 5:22:50 AM  

Magnus: NephilimNexus: Can anyone here remember the last time anyone actually sent up an aircraft to engage a US fighter plane?

Yes.  It was in the 90s.


Pretty sure that was when the Serbs sent up MiGs against F-16s from 78FS here at Shaw AFB.  The -16s were outbound from Yugoslavia when a MiG-29 tried to bring them down.  One of the -16s turned to meet him and brought him down with a -120.
 
2020-07-10 5:55:31 AM  
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All that waiting around must be hard, real hard.
 
2020-07-10 7:53:35 AM  
Let's see.

They don't do much ACM, they don't fly the planes much because they can't so it's mostly simulator training, and they talk about how unmatched the capabilities of the F-35 simulators are.

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Yeah, that's what I thought.
 
2020-07-10 8:31:49 AM  

Mad_Radhu: They are training for a type of conflict where the current rules or engagement go out the window.


Like the ones where the US kept bombing allied troops, repeatedly? Then ooooh yeah, we need to make visual identification part of the rules again magically made it to the top of the to-do list.
 
2020-07-10 8:41:21 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Meh, according to a documentary I saw years ago their classes are pretty easy. They had one where they introduced the instructor, she said a Mig can't do negative G, a pilot disagreed and that was the end of the lecture. That was what, three minutes? And for some reason they held the lecture in a hangar.


Also, for some reason, the instructor had a Ph.D. in astrophysics.
 
2020-07-10 8:54:02 AM  
I seem to remember we shot down a either Mig or a Sukhoi in Syria a couple years back
 
2020-07-10 10:35:47 AM  

PTP_Professor: I seem to remember we shot down a either Mig or a Sukhoi in Syria a couple years back


Su-22.  F/A-18E brought it down.  Tried a AIM-9X...missed, then tagged it with an AIM-120C.
 
2020-07-10 12:31:11 PM  
Day 4 of fighter pilot school:

"...and when the congressman visits we all tell him how amazing the jets are and that we just need a few more plus some money for a new golf course got it? Well done everyone now let'shiat the bars and hunt some poon' make sure to get your war stories sorted out with your copilot beforehand so everyone gets a cool nickname. Godspeed gentlemen."
 
2020-07-10 1:09:44 PM  

AtlanticCoast63: Pretty sure that was when the Serbs...


The answer to how almost every war started in the last hundred years starts with these words.
 
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