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2020-07-09 5:31:36 PM  
Onlt if they're Repuglican.
 
2020-07-09 5:33:33 PM  
Illegal
 
2020-07-09 5:35:40 PM  
Yes. Political beliefs are not an immutable aspect of someone's person, especially when the political belief in question is "I want the government to mass-exterminate people who have some specific immutable aspect."
 
2020-07-09 5:40:41 PM  
"Right to work" cuts both ways.
 
2020-07-09 5:42:21 PM  
No.  But it's perfectly fine to fire them for being assholes about it on company time, no matter which way they lean. .
 
2020-07-09 5:55:02 PM  
Political beliefs are not supposed to be the same thing as believing in equality and basic human rights. Unfortunately, that has become the case for a lot of people.

I lean pretty left. So I have different views on how to allocate taxes, zoning, healthcare, gun laws, roadwork, public transportation etc. than some of my more right-leaning friends. But we are all in agreement that everyone should be treated equally regardless of race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender identity, language, ability/disability, social class, family status etc.

That said, I don't think someone should be fired for political beliefs.

I do, however, think people should be fired for being discriminatory bigots.
 
2020-07-09 5:55:35 PM  
An employer has the right to have standards. If an employee manifested clear evidence of being stupid for example, or if he, just hypothetically, turned out to be an accomplice to a crime like fraud, I wouldn't expect the employer to keep him on, so, yeah, if he said he supports Trump, you should fire him.
 
2020-07-09 6:02:19 PM  

capn' fun: "Right to work" cuts both ways.


As long as they don't bring it up at work, it shouldn't be a problem. Politics and religion shouldn't be discussed in the work place.

When a plumbing company I used for my property management office started sporting MAGA bumperstickers, I found a new vendor. Got the call asking they lost my business and how do they get back? If they don't understand why it was lost, there is no way of getting it back.
 
2020-07-09 6:04:24 PM  
I live in an at-will employment state so it's already legal to fire someone for no reason whatsoever with no notice. What difference would their politics make in the firing?
 
2020-07-09 6:12:08 PM  
I guess it depends.

If the political belief is expressed to the point that it distresses other employees or customers, yes.

The odd-Facebook post, no.

BUT....

If someone publicly posts that he thinks I'm less of a human than him because of my historically marginalized or criminalized race, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, ethnicity, national origin, or religion, then I could rightfully take a screen shot of that and go to my employer (If a co-worker) or tweet at the corporate twitter account (if I am a customer or potential customer) that the belief expressed by this lunatic makes me fear for my safety.

And if he gets fired for that, that's on him.
 
2020-07-09 6:39:53 PM  
Straight up what party are you question? No.
Does being a member of a certain party make you behave like an asshole? Yes.
 
2020-07-09 7:30:13 PM  

the unabomber was right: I live in an at-will employment state so it's already legal to fire someone for no reason whatsoever with no notice. What difference would their politics make in the firing?


And by this, I mean to say: if you want to fire someone for their political beliefs then you really need to stop firing people for having sex with co-workers.
 
2020-07-09 8:12:00 PM  
100% Illegal. You don't get the benefit only for people you agree with. I don't understand how this question even comes up.
 
2020-07-09 8:26:12 PM  
Well, yes and no.
 
2020-07-09 8:55:03 PM  
If you bring up politics at work you're marked as avoid in my book.  Absolutely nothing good can come of it.

Policy should stipulate that politics shouldn't be discussed while you're working, and breaking that takes you up the penalty volcano of warning(s) to termination.  Your conduct outside of work is reflects upon the company so don't be a belligerent asshole either.  Otherwise, idgaf, not my concern.
 
2020-07-09 9:09:33 PM  
Define "political beliefs".  Differentiate it from 'non-political beliefs'.
 
2020-07-09 9:54:25 PM  
No. Or yes.
 
2020-07-09 9:56:12 PM  
You have to be able to fire the crazy ones, and if you're spouting Q'Anon or flat-earth doctrines on the job, you don't need to work for me. If it's quiet online conspiracy interest in UFO's, et al...  Who cares?

If you're launching yourself into the air in a lawn chair with hundreds of balloons and a shotgun as your escape plan and you make the news, then your beliefs are no longer compatible with my own. Then, Goodbye and good luck with your crazy. I sure hope it doesn't kill you or get involved with Jonny Depp.
 
2020-07-09 10:11:54 PM  
Actions yes,thoughts no.

I'd have been fired for being a liberal almost every year I've worked for the federal government otherwise.
 
Ant
2020-07-09 10:18:20 PM  
If their political beliefs make them an antisocial racist asshole, then yes.
 
2020-07-09 10:20:30 PM  
Ummmm

Short answer no

Long answer yes but IFF a person's political beliefs are actively interfering (or honestly really only have a material threat to interfering) with their job duties.
 
2020-07-09 10:23:54 PM  

Mikey1969: 100% Illegal. You don't get the benefit only for people you agree with. I don't understand how this question even comes up.


If you have a website. For your political belief that says "Death to Race Mixers, Queers, Asians and NBongs"
Especially if you drag that shait around on your webpages and bumper stickers.

Your company might do well to ditch your bigoted ass.

This today isn't like "oh I have a NRA sticker" or "I voted for Trump" we're talking Klan stuff here now.
 
2020-07-09 10:26:01 PM  
Beliefs? No.

But don't beclown yourself, or else. Post something that's demonstrably false and it shows me you're a gullible farker who's up to their eyebrows in confirmation bias.

Come annual review, el gran jefe Gulper Eel will remember that, and at the company Saturnalia party you'll get the hot cocoa sampler while everybody else gets five-figure bonuses.
 
2020-07-09 10:27:43 PM  

Munden: If you bring up politics at work you're marked as avoid in my book.  Absolutely nothing good can come of it.

Policy should stipulate that politics shouldn't be discussed while you're working, and breaking that takes you up the penalty volcano of warning(s) to termination.  Your conduct outside of work is reflects upon the company so don't be a belligerent asshole either.  Otherwise, idgaf, not my concern.


Oh, come on.  Sometimes politics directly affect what you do at work.

Let's say there's a bill that would outlaw all mushroom farming, no matter whether the mushrooms are legal.

You and all your coworkers would get real political REAL F*CKING FAST.
 
2020-07-09 10:29:53 PM  
People say they would do everything to stop Jews from being killed. Even killing the Nazis.

If they honestly believed abortion or in vitro fertilization was 'murder'.

Do they not have a moral duty to pick up a gun and defend the unborn?

If they carry a weapon, they'd defend a clerks life from certain death? Why not the unborn?
They might get arrested for doing illegal things. But they'd also be able to save one life. Granted a zygote...but they might change one person at that clinics mind.
 
2020-07-09 10:35:41 PM  
The point, Munden, is that it's easy to be agnostic about other people's problems.  It's noble, and difficult, to put yourself in someone else's shoes.
 
2020-07-09 10:41:56 PM  
I've had a friend fired from their job as assistant principal at a Elementary school because his picture appeared in the News about a gay softball tournament.
 
2020-07-09 10:43:31 PM  
I know the context of the question is the current situation in the US, but something to consider...

I was in China last year during the 20th anniversary of the "June 4th Incident". My Chinese colleagues were surprisingly open about their thoughts on both sides, even if we were all speaking in codes/euphemisms that we somehow all recognized despite not rehearsing. The exception was a younger colleague, who literally had no idea what we were talking about (she wasn't old enough to remember it, and there was no way she would have learned about it in school).

And at the same time, those colleagues also work with people in Hong Kong and across Asia. Lots of potential and real tensions there; two people can be 100% aligned on the environmental mission of the organization, but be diametrically opposed on the status of Hong Kong or the Rohingya in Myanmar.

Ditto for the checklist of other political positions. One can be totally in favor of universal health care and be anti-fossil fuel, but also be totally against LGBT rights. People and politics are complicated, and get exponentially more so as you interact with people outside your city/state/country.

/Not sure where I'm going with this, other than to say that we need to find a way to ask honest questions and have honest conversations without fear of punitive actions.
//Regardless, it starts with "respect for the other".
 
2020-07-09 10:44:16 PM  

optikeye: I've had a friend fired from their job as assistant principal at a Elementary school because his picture appeared in the News about a gay softball tournament.


BTW: This wasn't this case.
https://www.outsports.com/2020/6/15/2​1​291982/gay-softball-scotus-ruling-gera​ld-bostock

This was mid...early 90's.
 
2020-07-09 10:50:39 PM  

optikeye: People say they would do everything to stop Jews from being killed. Even killing the Nazis.

If they honestly believed abortion or in vitro fertilization was 'murder'.

Do they not have a moral duty to pick up a gun and defend the unborn?

If they carry a weapon, they'd defend a clerks life from certain death? Why not the unborn?
They might get arrested for doing illegal things. But they'd also be able to save one life. Granted a zygote...but they might change one person at that clinics mind.


Several anti-choice radicals have committed murders, assaults, bombings, arson, kidnappings and other forms of terrorist attack on medical care providers, receptionists and security staff over the years.
 
2020-07-09 10:52:25 PM  

optikeye: People say they would do everything to stop Jews from being killed. Even killing the Nazis.

If they honestly believed abortion or in vitro fertilization was 'murder'.

Do they not have a moral duty to pick up a gun and defend the unborn?

If they carry a weapon, they'd defend a clerks life from certain death? Why not the unborn?
They might get arrested for doing illegal things. But they'd also be able to save one life. Granted a zygote...but they might change one person at that clinics mind.



If the employee actually vocalized these in the office, I would be documenting them and looking to quickly get them out of my company. If, as management, I ignore it, I would be looking at a Hostile Workplace suit sooner or later.
 
2020-07-09 11:01:28 PM  

Another Government Employee: If the employee actually vocalized these in the office,


So, if they vocalized or bumper sticker "Abortion is Murder" would that cause action?

Even if they didn't take it to the next logical step of using a gun to protect a fetus, as you would to protect a clerk..a child..etc?
 
2020-07-09 11:03:41 PM  

Gordon Bennett: Several anti-choice radicals have committed murders


I've had a co worker maimed and a friend murdered by Anti Abortionists.
 
2020-07-09 11:18:34 PM  
Belief, no.

Behavior, absolutely.
 
2020-07-10 12:16:33 AM  
"Political beliefs"  encompass literally everything. Racism is political for neo-nazis, I'd sure as hell fire one.

I don't think people should be fired just because they have differences of opinions on politics. I do think people should be able to be fired for promoting particularly offensive or violent views, regardless of those views having a political component or not.

Any law that gave protection from firing in private business would infringe on our rights to free association.

The first amendment already gives protections from the government. That protection is needed to ensure that we have a free where we can openly discuss our government. But businesses are not government. They are groups of individuals who are associating together. Forcing them to associate with a person that they do not want to could cause injury. All of these assholes being caught on tape harassing black people are expressing political opinions. They deserve to be fired and if they were not the company would be injured by keeping them on staff.
 
2020-07-10 12:19:23 AM  
If their political beliefs indicate that they are too stupid to think rationally about complex problems, then probably they shouldn't be president.

/or in any position that requires any intelligence at all
//maybe they could host a fox news show
 
2020-07-10 12:36:11 AM  

HighZoolander: If their political beliefs indicate that they are too stupid to think rationally about complex problems, then probably they shouldn't be president.

/or in any position that requires any intelligence at all
//maybe they could host a fox news show


So when we fire all the republicans, how do we afford that many people on welfare?
 
2020-07-10 12:39:09 AM  
I refuse to ever hire another republican again. Ever.
 
2020-07-10 12:47:38 AM  

optikeye: Mikey1969: 100% Illegal. You don't get the benefit only for people you agree with. I don't understand how this question even comes up.

If you have a website. For your political belief that says "Death to Race Mixers, Queers, Asians and NBongs"
Especially if you drag that shait around on your webpages and bumper stickers.

Your company might do well to ditch your bigoted ass.

This today isn't like "oh I have a NRA sticker" or "I voted for Trump" we're talking Klan stuff here now.


Having certain political beliefs is different than overtly acting on them in a way that harms your employer.
 
2020-07-10 1:09:08 AM  

Mikey1969: Having certain political beliefs is different than overtly acting on them in a way that harms your employer.


Or harms other people? Does the employer really need to justify 'harm to employer' to get rid of a racist asshole, who hasn't done 'harm' to the employer?
 
2020-07-10 1:30:13 AM  

the unabomber was right: I live in an at-will employment state so it's already legal to fire someone for no reason whatsoever with no notice. What difference would their politics make in the firing?


I am surprised to see that you are the first person to mention "at will"...
In at will states they can fire you for pretty much any (or no reason at all)

If you RTFA (I know...) I think they have found the crux of the biscuit here:
tldr, if you were not living a state with laws against political discrimination (and remember, this can go any which way) unless the political discrimination was used as pretext for firing you based on Title VII protected class, they can fire you for pretty much any damned reason they want.

TFA:
Political Discrimination Might Be Illegal on Other Grounds

Even if you work in a state that doesn't protect employees from political discrimination, you might still have a legal claim if your employer's actions were really based on a protected trait under Title VII or a similar state law. For example, if African American employees are fired for participating in a Black Lives Matter rally, but employees of other races are not fired for going to marches, rallies, or protests, that might qualify as illegal race discrimination. In this situation, the African American employees would have a claim that the employer used their politics as a pretext for race discrimination. Similarly, an employer that fires Christian employees for attending a right to life march but shows no interest in other employees' political views might be making decisions based on religious beliefs rather than political beliefs. A good employment lawyer can help you understand the laws that might protect you in your state and the strength of your potential claims.
 
2020-07-10 1:31:13 AM  
*I am surprised to see that you are the first and only person to mention "at will"...
 
2020-07-10 1:41:58 AM  
Legal, absolutely.  It'd be a bad precedent to prevent employers from making decisions based on how their prospective employees react to the world (I can't think of a more eloquent way to put it).  Most (maybe all) of the protected classes are for things people can't control.  But your political views are pretty much on you.

Having said that, it'd generally be bad business practice to use that as criteria for most jobs, assuming beliefs aren't exhibited too egregiously.
 
2020-07-10 1:47:13 AM  

Oztemprom: the unabomber was right: I live in an at-will employment state so it's already legal to fire someone for no reason whatsoever with no notice. What difference would their politics make in the firing?

I am surprised to see that you are the first person to mention "at will"...
In at will states they can fire you for pretty much any (or no reason at all)

If you RTFA (I know...) I think they have found the crux of the biscuit here:
tldr, if you were not living a state with laws against political discrimination (and remember, this can go any which way) unless the political discrimination was used as pretext for firing you based on Title VII protected class, they can fire you for pretty much any damned reason they want.

TFA:
Political Discrimination Might Be Illegal on Other Grounds
Even if you work in a state that doesn't protect employees from political discrimination, you might still have a legal claim if your employer's actions were really based on a protected trait under Title VII or a similar state law. For example, if African American employees are fired for participating in a Black Lives Matter rally, but employees of other races are not fired for going to marches, rallies, or protests, that might qualify as illegal race discrimination. In this situation, the African American employees would have a claim that the employer used their politics as a pretext for race discrimination. Similarly, an employer that fires Christian employees for attending a right to life march but shows no interest in other employees' political views might be making decisions based on religious beliefs rather than political beliefs. A good employment lawyer can help you understand the laws that might protect you in your state and the strength of your potential claims.


And this, ladies and gents, are why I'm glad I'm in a union.

Past practices protect me from all manner of bullshiat, and supervisors lying about doing the bullshiat they are doing.
 
2020-07-10 1:48:07 AM  

Oztemprom: *I am surprised to see that you are the first and only person to mention "at will"...


Why would you be though?

The question we were tasked to discuss is "should X be illegal or not" and not "is X currently illegal or not".
 
2020-07-10 1:48:21 AM  
Short answer: Yes with an if, Long answer: No, with a but.

/Lovejoy
 
2020-07-10 2:20:10 AM  

Mztlplx: No.  But it's perfectly fine to fire them for being assholes about it on company time, no matter which way they lean. .


there you go...saved me some typing.
 
2020-07-10 2:29:10 AM  
Kinds depends.

Right now, one party believes in f*cking insanity. The other party is a scattershot bunch of opinions with some anarchists jumping on the bandwagon when it is convenient.
 
2020-07-10 2:36:20 AM  
Today, I entered a store of a political loon, who has no employees because he has no business anymore. He used to have stuff in the shelves (not a lot, but some) like brownie bars and cake slices and homemade breads of many varieties...

In the end of the several minute rant he gave me on our state governor, blaming George Soros for her election (because "I'm not racist, in fact I'm the opposite of racist because I have Indian blood, so really everyone else is racist" was part of the rant, after he blamed BLM on Soros as well), a customer walked in to buy coffee, and instead of helping the customer complete their very simple transaction, he had to continue on his rant for another minute until the customer had to say something.

He blames the governor for his lost business.
 
2020-07-10 2:38:08 AM  
Oh I guess I forgot the point.

I'd have fired that guy if he were my employee, even if I agreed with everything he farking said.

But I guess when you own the business... you can just get a bail out.
 
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