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(Forbes)   Washington and Lee University votes to remove offensive name from school's title. Will now simply be know as 'University'   (forbes.com) divider line
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2020-07-08 2:03:09 PM  
>Hero of independence movement who through clear-sighted leadership managed not only to secure independence by holding the country together through a decade-long Fabian war of attrition but also as a wildly popular general establish a stable civilian government and ensure a precedent of peaceful voluntary transfer of power. Also relied on violently enforced slave labour to keep him a lifelong member of the idle leisured elite.

Hm. Interesting guy. History is complicated. Maybe we shouldn't worship him as the god of civil religion, but probably still worth some degree of public commemoration and even celebration, as long as we also remember the victims of his plantation.

>Slaver who declared war on the United States because his countrymen elected a guy who was vaguely anti-slavery. Decided a whole lot of frontal attacks against a country with 3x the manpower and 10x the industrial base was a good idea. Lost more of his army than his opponent and his most talented lieutenant in a battle praised as his "masterpiece." Invaded the enemy twice; failed twice. Surrendered after squandering the manpower of the South on foolish dreams of glorious Napoleonic charges into the teeth of repeating rifles and breech-loading artillery. His army standard is the flag of white supremacism hundreds of years later.

lol, trash, throw out the whole man
 
2020-07-08 2:47:45 PM  
Your degree will be a piece of parchment with a big barcode in the middle of it.
 
2020-07-08 3:10:48 PM  
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A man ahead of his time
 
2020-07-08 3:11:58 PM  
And University has a nice ring to it.

/The Fightin Ampersands
 
2020-07-08 3:13:39 PM  
I'm begining to wonder if I will end up being shamed in to changing my middle name from Lee. Its not racist, but it is a name taken after an asshole.
 
2020-07-08 3:14:32 PM  

brizzle365: I'm begining to wonder if I will end up being shamed in to changing my middle name from Lee. Its not racist, but it is a name taken after an asshole.


Just tell people your parents were mad Kung Fu fans.

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2020-07-08 3:14:36 PM  
Booker T. and Bruce Lee University?

/ok by me
 
2020-07-08 3:14:37 PM  
If you want to substitute a good southerner's name for all the bad southern names, then how about swapping out "Lee" for "Twain" or "Clemens"?

I know "Tubman" is probably asking too much of some of these institutions, though.
 
2020-07-08 3:15:27 PM  
I am a quarter black and was s member of Kappa Alpha Order a frat founded there and id denounced my membership and the national office and all the guys who were in ir with me caught my back. Surprised the shiat outta me
 
2020-07-08 3:17:17 PM  

brizzle365: I'm begining to wonder if I will end up being shamed in to changing my middle name from Lee. Its not racist, but it is a name taken after an asshole.


There are lots of other famous Lees you could pretend your parents were inspired by: Bruce Lee, Christopher Lee, Lee Majors, David Lee Roth, etc.
 
2020-07-08 3:20:39 PM  
They should go the route of the University of Maryland University College (an actual place), and call it "University University College." Maybe throw "School" on the end for good measure.

The University University College School for Kids Who Don't Know Stuff And Want To Know More Stuff Learning Center of Higher Education.
 
2020-07-08 3:21:05 PM  
Wrong, Subby.
FTA headline:
Washington And Lee Faculty Vote To Remove 'Lee' From University's Name

So it will be known as Washington And University.
 
2020-07-08 3:21:23 PM  
They have a good D3 football program
 
2020-07-08 3:21:27 PM  
Great so instead of it being White and Loaded University it's now just White.
 
2020-07-08 3:22:12 PM  
Washington PAID for the place, his name should stay. Lee merely worked there for a couple of years as a second career after his first one ended badly

Visited W&L about 20 years back when considering Law Schools was more than a little alarmed on student's weekend that the welcome reception was held in an antebellum mansion on campus and when I arrived  I was greeted by a liveried black man who took my coat and served me a drink.  It was bit TOO real, yanno?
 
2020-07-08 3:23:05 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: They should go the route of the University of Maryland University College (an actual place), and call it "University University College." Maybe throw "School" on the end for good measure.

The University University College School for Kids Who Don't Know Stuff And Want To Know More Stuff Learning Center of Higher Education.


Its absolutely a rel if absurdly named place

/proud alum
 
2020-07-08 3:26:38 PM  
They said they will keep the Generals name, so they will now be the Washington Generals.
 
2020-07-08 3:27:24 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: They should go the route of the University of Maryland University College (an actual place)...


I always wondered what drunk idiot named that place.
 
2020-07-08 3:28:09 PM  
Virginia?

RTFA

Virginia.

Damn near every road, trail, hill and stream here seems to be named after Lee. I mean, maybe that's an exaggeration - there are plenty of other notable figures from the Confederacy who all get their mentions here and there, but even then they sometimes have to share the name with Lee anyway.
 
2020-07-08 3:29:27 PM  

Dr. Opossum: brizzle365: I'm begining to wonder if I will end up being shamed in to changing my middle name from Lee. Its not racist, but it is a name taken after an asshole.

There are lots of other famous Lees you could pretend your parents were inspired by: Bruce Lee, Christopher Lee, Lee Majors, David Lee Roth, etc.


Hell there are even non-asshole Lees in that lee family.  I live in Leesburg VA which is named after Robert's grand-uncle
 
2020-07-08 3:29:43 PM  

pkjun: >Hero of independence movement who through clear-sighted leadership managed not only to secure independence by holding the country together through a decade-long Fabian war of attrition but also as a wildly popular general establish a stable civilian government and ensure a precedent of peaceful voluntary transfer of power. Also relied on violently enforced slave labour to keep him a lifelong member of the idle leisured elite.

Hm. Interesting guy. History is complicated. Maybe we shouldn't worship him as the god of civil religion, but probably still worth some degree of public commemoration and even celebration, as long as we also remember the victims of his plantation.

>Slaver who declared war on the United States because his countrymen elected a guy who was vaguely anti-slavery. Decided a whole lot of frontal attacks against a country with 3x the manpower and 10x the industrial base was a good idea. Lost more of his army than his opponent and his most talented lieutenant in a battle praised as his "masterpiece." Invaded the enemy twice; failed twice. Surrendered after squandering the manpower of the South on foolish dreams of glorious Napoleonic charges into the teeth of repeating rifles and breech-loading artillery. His army standard is the flag of white supremacism hundreds of years later.

lol, trash, throw out the whole man


The tactics worked for the first couple of years against Union leaders who had no idea how to set up ranks. But attrition and disease took their toll.
 
2020-07-08 3:30:51 PM  

Crewmannumber6: They have a good D3 football program


They cancelled their fall football yesterday. At least the conference did. They are debating spring
 
2020-07-08 3:35:31 PM  

Target Builder: Virginia?

RTFA

Virginia.

Damn near every road, trail, hill and stream here seems to be named after Lee. I mean, maybe that's an exaggeration - there are plenty of other notable figures from the Confederacy who all get their mentions here and there, but even then they sometimes have to share the name with Lee anyway.


Abingdon VA is where Lee Highway meets up with JEB Stuart Highway.  The names are everywhere.
 
2020-07-08 3:44:12 PM  
Are they going to follow the one in St Louis and have Washington University in (wherever they are)?
 
2020-07-08 3:45:17 PM  

Target Builder: Virginia?

RTFA

Virginia.

Damn near every road, trail, hill and stream here seems to be named after Lee. I mean, maybe that's an exaggeration - there are plenty of other notable figures from the Confederacy who all get their mentions here and there, but even then they sometimes have to share the name with Lee anyway.


I live between Lee Highway and Lee-Jackson Memorial Highway. Lee Plaza is across the street.
And I'm in the liberal part of Virginia.
 
2020-07-08 3:46:19 PM  
According to the United States Census Bureau, the city has a total area of 2.5 square miles (6.5 km2), virtually all of which is land.[8] The Maury River, a tributary of the James River, forms the city's northeastern boundary.

I like the ring of Maury & James University instead. Like Maury Povich and Rick James had an institute of higher learning named after their funky love child. But who's the real daddy?
/stoned thoughts without actually being high
 
2020-07-08 3:48:04 PM  
WilderKWight: If you want to substitute a good southerner's name for all the bad southern names, then how about swapping out "Lee" for "Twain" or "Clemens"?

Northern Missouri is now part of the south ?
 
2020-07-08 3:48:15 PM  

Target Builder: Virginia?

RTFA

Virginia.

Damn near every road, trail, hill and stream here seems to be named after Lee. I mean, maybe that's an exaggeration - there are plenty of other notable figures from the Confederacy who all get their mentions here and there, but even then they sometimes have to share the name with Lee anyway.


There are also lots of other Lees, among them REL's father, who served in that other great American rebellion.
 
2020-07-08 3:48:20 PM  
Fun Robert E. Lee facts: he owned Arlington Plantation, on the Virginia side of the Potomac River, directly across from Washington. When Virginia bailed on the Union, he and is family left the home and headed deeper into the confederacy.  The Union Army occupied his house and the land, as it was both a good defensive position and the property of a traitorous general.  At the first opportunity, the federal government seized the land for unpaid property taxes.

Once the war got under way, a Union general thought the traitor general's front yard would make one heck of a nice place to bury Union war dead.  He also thought the presence of the graves would dissuade the Lees from trying to move back after the war.   He was right on both counts, and that's how Arlington National Cemetery was born.

More details here: https://www.arlingtoncemetery.m​il/Expl​ore/History-of-Arlington-National-Ceme​tery/Arlington-House

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2020-07-08 3:50:31 PM  

Walker: Target Builder: Virginia?

RTFA

Virginia.

Damn near every road, trail, hill and stream here seems to be named after Lee. I mean, maybe that's an exaggeration - there are plenty of other notable figures from the Confederacy who all get their mentions here and there, but even then they sometimes have to share the name with Lee anyway.

I live between Lee Highway and Lee-Jackson Memorial Highway. Lee Plaza is across the street.
And I'm in the liberal part of Virginia.


I live six blocks from Lee Highway, and about two miles from Washington-Liberty High School, which was Washington-Lee High School until last year.   And I'm in the even more liberal part of Virginia.
 
2020-07-08 3:50:53 PM  
geez, the asshole I got the name from was my father. Would be more interesting and a better conversation starter to be named after Lee Harvey Oswald or Mr El Roth.
 
2020-07-08 3:52:40 PM  

SBinRR: Target Builder: Virginia?

RTFA

Virginia.

Damn near every road, trail, hill and stream here seems to be named after Lee. I mean, maybe that's an exaggeration - there are plenty of other notable figures from the Confederacy who all get their mentions here and there, but even then they sometimes have to share the name with Lee anyway.

Abingdon VA is where Lee Highway meets up with JEB Stuart Highway.  The names are everywhere.



One exception:  The town of Leesburg was named after Thomas Lee in in 1758.   Thomas Lee was an ancestor of Robert E. Lee.
 
2020-07-08 3:53:40 PM  
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2020-07-08 3:55:56 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: Are they going to follow the one in St Louis and have Washington University in (wherever they are)?


They better, says a suspicious alum
 
2020-07-08 3:56:09 PM  
Won't work. Someone will get their panties in a twist over the word 'University' at some point, maybe deciding that Latin root words don't celebrate diversity.
 
2020-07-08 4:00:49 PM  

Walker: Target Builder: Virginia?

RTFA

Virginia.

Damn near every road, trail, hill and stream here seems to be named after Lee. I mean, maybe that's an exaggeration - there are plenty of other notable figures from the Confederacy who all get their mentions here and there, but even then they sometimes have to share the name with Lee anyway.

I live between Lee Highway and Lee-Jackson Memorial Highway. Lee Plaza is across the street.
And I'm in the liberal part of Virginia.


I could close my eyes and find you on a map.....but  yes, if it's not Lee it's Jackson, and if it's not Jackson it's Jeb Stuart round this way.  Had to explain to my son why a local HS was changing its football team name from "the Raiders" the other day, cause 'round these parts we don't me the cute pirate guys they have in Oakland/LV
 
2020-07-08 4:08:26 PM  

stlbluez: WilderKWight: If you want to substitute a good southerner's name for all the bad southern names, then how about swapping out "Lee" for "Twain" or "Clemens"?

Northern Missouri is now part of the south ?



Quite a bit of it considered itself as part of the South during the Civil War.
The only two states that saw more fighting were Virginia and Tennessee.
 
2020-07-08 4:10:20 PM  
Keep the "Lee" and just attribute it to another; no one will complain.  After all,

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2020-07-08 4:14:59 PM  

Dr. Opossum: brizzle365: I'm begining to wonder if I will end up being shamed in to changing my middle name from Lee. Its not racist, but it is a name taken after an asshole.

There are lots of other famous Lees you could pretend your parents were inspired by: Bruce Lee, Christopher Lee, Lee Majors, David Lee Roth, etc.


Lee's chicken
 
2020-07-08 4:17:22 PM  

brizzle365: I'm begining to wonder if I will end up being shamed in to changing my middle name from Lee. Its not racist, but it is a name taken after an asshole.


You could change your middle name to Adolf.
 
2020-07-08 4:24:17 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Keep the "Lee" and just attribute it to another; no one will complain.  After all,

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2020-07-08 4:28:14 PM  

Dr. Nick Riviera: Prank Call of Cthulhu: They should go the route of the University of Maryland University College (an actual place)...


I always wondered what drunk idiot named that place.


Probably the same people who went on to found IUPUI, or Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis Indiana Purdue College University of Indiana at Purdue in Indianapolis.

Or "ooey-pooey" to the locals.
 
2020-07-08 4:30:28 PM  

pkjun: >Hero of independence movement who through clear-sighted leadership managed not only to secure independence by holding the country together through a decade-long Fabian war of attrition but also as a wildly popular general establish a stable civilian government and ensure a precedent of peaceful voluntary transfer of power. Also relied on violently enforced slave labour to keep him a lifelong member of the idle leisured elite.

Hm. Interesting guy. History is complicated. Maybe we shouldn't worship him as the god of civil religion, but probably still worth some degree of public commemoration and even celebration, as long as we also remember the victims of his plantation.

>Slaver who declared war on the United States because his countrymen elected a guy who was vaguely anti-slavery. Decided a whole lot of frontal attacks against a country with 3x the manpower and 10x the industrial base was a good idea. Lost more of his army than his opponent and his most talented lieutenant in a battle praised as his "masterpiece." Invaded the enemy twice; failed twice. Surrendered after squandering the manpower of the South on foolish dreams of glorious Napoleonic charges into the teeth of repeating rifles and breech-loading artillery. His army standard is the flag of white supremacism hundreds of years later.

lol, trash, throw out the whole man


Point of order:  The Federal Army did not use the Henry Rifle in large numbers until after the war.  Some cavalry units and a handful of sharpshooters got their hands on them, but otherwise they retained the rifled percussion cap musket adopted in the 1840s and 1850s.

Breech-loaded artillery was a novelty in Britain and virtually nonexistent in the Western Hemisphere until the 1880s.

However, your point about Lee is mostly correct; the majority of West Point-trained officers (on both sides), were taught the tactics of the Napoleonic era, and had a difficult time adapting their training to the reality that rifled muskets extended effective volley range to about 100 yards, and marginally effective sustained fire to just under 300 yards.

With smoothbore muskets, it was possible for a well-disciplined army to charge and get into melee before unit cohesion was lost.  This was virtually impossible when defenders had rifled muskets.
 
2020-07-08 4:32:04 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: Are they going to follow the one in St Louis and have Washington University in (wherever they are)?


In Lexington, they could replace Lee with Lexington, still be known as W & L.
 
2020-07-08 4:33:53 PM  

alicechaos: SBinRR: Target Builder: Virginia?

RTFA

Virginia.

Damn near every road, trail, hill and stream here seems to be named after Lee. I mean, maybe that's an exaggeration - there are plenty of other notable figures from the Confederacy who all get their mentions here and there, but even then they sometimes have to share the name with Lee anyway.

Abingdon VA is where Lee Highway meets up with JEB Stuart Highway.  The names are everywhere.


One exception:  The town of Leesburg was named after Thomas Lee in in 1758.   Thomas Lee was an ancestor of Robert E. Lee.


Folks will get a surprise if/when they go after the name 'Lynchburg'.
 
2020-07-08 4:48:56 PM  
Burn it down and forget it ever existed.
 
2020-07-08 4:56:11 PM  

robertus: And University has a nice ring to it.

/The Fightin Ampersands


And?
 
2020-07-08 5:02:27 PM  
So they got rid of one traitor and kept the other one.
 
2020-07-08 5:03:39 PM  
Northam University.
 
2020-07-08 5:08:06 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: They should go the route of the University of Maryland University College (an actual place), and call it "University University College." Maybe throw "School" on the end for good measure.

The University University College School for Kids Who Don't Know Stuff And Want To Know More Stuff Learning Center of Higher Education.



ohhh, sorry

They're now University of Maryland Global Campus.

https://www.umgc.edu/
 
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