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(Guardian)   In which the UK government announces bold plans to charge NHS employees for parking while at work   (theguardian.com) divider line
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2020-07-07 10:08:35 PM  
I can't name a single hospital or medical center in my area that charges employees to park, nor do they charge patients there for outpatient care, lab work, PT, certain procedures. They don't charge visitors either.

While I commend the NHS for a system that provides care for patients, with the latter not having to worry about a big bill, or how much their insurance will cover, employees should never have to pay to park, especially essential employees.
 
2020-07-08 1:14:39 AM  
I used to think $60/mo as a student to park at the med center was pricey. Here it's $300/mo. Kind of a "privilege of working for us" tax I guess.
 
2020-07-08 3:36:49 AM  
I work in a Canadian hospital.and if I wanna park in the garage it's about $250 a month.

Locking my bike up  isstill free.
 
2020-07-08 3:47:47 AM  
In which the UK government announces bold plans to charge NHS employees Not involved with the care & treatment of patients with Covid-19 as well as special exception circumstances for parking while at work

I'm not saying it's right or proper, but context is key.
 
2020-07-08 4:05:24 AM  
Subby, this is an English thing, not a UK thing With just a couple of exceptions (awaiting the end of contracts, basically) all hospital parking is free in Scotland.
 
2020-07-08 4:26:35 AM  
Surely some of that Brexit bus money could be used to extend free parking for NHS staff.

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Or was it all spent on encouraging applause?
 
2020-07-08 4:32:03 AM  
We'll clap extra hard for them once a fortnight though.
 
2020-07-08 4:35:16 AM  
Bet those nurses are delighted they helped save Boris now
 
2020-07-08 4:36:02 AM  
8£ per day?  Boo hoo.  It would cost me triple that.  That's what happens when the number of cars that want to park exceeds the space for those cars.
 
2020-07-08 4:52:24 AM  

Cormee: Bet those nurses are delighted they helped save Boris now



I can't entirely shake the suspicion the whole thing was cooked up by Cummings to try and make people hate the NHS and immigrant workers.,
 
2020-07-08 4:54:36 AM  

xyzzy42: 8£ per day?  Boo hoo.  It would cost me triple that.  That's what happens when the number of cars that want to park exceeds the space for those cars.


They're literally saving lives in a crisis.
 
2020-07-08 4:59:45 AM  

psychosis_inducing: xyzzy42: 8£ per day?  Boo hoo.  It would cost me triple that.  That's what happens when the number of cars that want to park exceeds the space for those cars.

They're literally saving lives in a crisis.


I think a major issue is that many UK hospitals were built at a time when it was normal for a large proportion of the staff and patients to reach the hospital via public transport.

Then the poors had to start buying cars! I hear some of them even have smartphones and flat-screen TVs.

The land around the main hospital in my hometown is surrounded by residential streets. There's no space to expand into and no investment into multi-storey facilities.
 
2020-07-08 5:00:41 AM  
"Parking is available for free on the parliamentary estate."
 
2020-07-08 5:06:36 AM  
fark sakes
 
2020-07-08 5:07:39 AM  
How in the world are WE as people not literally gutting and eating the entrails of politicians all around the world is beyond me.

We deserve whatever they do to us, because we are taking it like the sheep that we are.
 
2020-07-08 6:04:35 AM  
I see a lot of rural residents are here. Welcome to the city, where you don't HAVE to drive, and there's not enough space for everyone's cars anyway.
Also, it looks like this isn't a new thing- parking charges for NHS employees were temporarily suspended during the crisis, and now the NHS is reminding its employees that it was temporary and is going to be reinstated as this winds down. Sure, it would be great if parking could be free for employees, but in most urban areas, there just isn't enough room for everyone's cars. So they have to prioritize for those who truly NEED to drive, and charge everyone else in order to encourage carpooling and alternative transportation.
 
2020-07-08 6:20:35 AM  
It depends on which one you go to here. The ones near me don't charge anyone, but as you get close to down town they will charge.
 
2020-07-08 6:28:53 AM  
Typical neoliberal bullshiat.  They are basically trying to pay the medical staff less than what they are making now.
 
2020-07-08 6:33:26 AM  

Devil's Advocaat: psychosis_inducing: xyzzy42: 8£ per day?  Boo hoo.  It would cost me triple that.  That's what happens when the number of cars that want to park exceeds the space for those cars.

They're literally saving lives in a crisis.

I think a major issue is that many UK hospitals were built at a time when it was normal for a large proportion of the staff and patients to reach the hospital via public transport.

Then the poors had to start buying cars! I hear some of them even have smartphones and flat-screen TVs.

The land around the main hospital in my hometown is surrounded by residential streets. There's no space to expand into and no investment into multi-storey facilities.


Came here to say similar. Hospitals (in my experience) are very well served by public transport. There is limited space and if all employees drive they take spaces that are needed by outpatients that maybe can't take public transport due to their ailment.

Also as noted. Parking didn't used to be free, they are merely reverting to the status quo.
 
2020-07-08 6:41:21 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Surely some of that Brexit bus money could be used to extend free parking for NHS staff.

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Or was it all spent on encouraging applause?


Rebranding the PM's private jumbo jet wasn't free, you know.

:/
 
2020-07-08 6:50:05 AM  

chawco: I work in a Canadian hospital.and if I wanna park in the garage it's about $250 a month.

Locking my bike up  isstill free.


Had to pay for a spot at UCLA medctr.
 
2020-07-08 7:21:26 AM  

Swiss Colony: Came here to say similar. Hospitals (in my experience) are very well served by public transport. There is limited space and if all employees drive they take spaces that are needed by outpatients that maybe can't take public transport due to their ailment.

Also as noted. Parking didn't used to be free, they are merely reverting to the status quo.


Like most hospitals here, my local ones has very good public transport links ... between 8am and 6pm. Staff working shifts outside those time have to arrange their own transport.

Parking charges at NHS hospitals are actually a fairly recent thing, over the past 10 - 15 years or so, and have been contentious from the start. They came in mainly under the (Blair and Brown) Labour governments' Private Finance Initiative (PFI) which handed lucrative contracts to the private sector to design, build and operate hospitals and encouraged them to make even more money whenever they could. Parking charges for staff were a nice easy win.
 
2020-07-08 7:22:56 AM  

xyzzy42: 8£ per day? Boo hoo. It would cost me triple that. That's what happens when the number of cars that want to park exceeds the space for those cars.


There are ways of rationing the space other than by charging. You can, for example, issue permits for staff car parks.
 
2020-07-08 8:02:02 AM  
If they paid to park before, it should be no surprise that they'll pay to park again. When is a question but it will and should happen.
 
2020-07-08 8:26:51 AM  
Gotta pay for the machine that goes PING! in some way.
 
2020-07-08 8:39:38 AM  
It's all about the socialist agenda of punishing people for being independent.
 
2020-07-08 8:54:02 AM  
Every hospital I've worked at in the Houston medical center charges for parking. Average is $30 a month.

Or one may park in the public free parking and hike or take the shuttle. Enjoy your car being broken into.

Even where I am now charges nurses for parking. It's a good way to nickel and dime healthcare workers on top of our nearly useless benefits.
 
2020-07-08 9:30:44 AM  

cefm: If they paid to park before, it should be no surprise that they'll pay to park again. When is a question but it will and should happen.


Why "should" it happen?

I have just checked and the the main hospital in Leeds (last one I was treated in) charges staff £16.40 for 7 - 24 hours, ie for a ten hour shift. A nurse with a few years of experience here would earn about £20k to do 200 of those shifts per year, and after tax would earn about £80 per shift, so parking costs her around 20% of her income.
 
2020-07-08 10:05:27 AM  

cefm: If they paid to park before, it should be no surprise that they'll pay to park again. When is a question but it will and should happen.


"That's how we've always done things" is a pathetic reason for a policy.
 
2020-07-08 2:59:49 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: I can't name a single hospital or medical center in my area that charges employees to park,


Johns Hopkins University does. Starting at $120 a month and going up from there. But they take it out of your pay check without you paying taxes on it so it's OK.
 
2020-07-08 5:07:19 PM  
In my experience in the US, whether a hospital charges to park (employees, patients, visitors, whoever) seems to be a location matter: large city vs small city. When visiting relatives in Chicagoland hospitals or Bay Area hospitals, paying seems de rigeur, whereas in smaller communities, nope. Actually, just now a moment of insight, it seems to be whether or not there is a parking structure or reserved lot. I've never had to pay at VA hospitals even when they have had valet parking during periods of construction (Madison & Palo Alto in my experiences).

Nota bene: odd law in some (not all) CA cities will validate disabled Vets parking fees but you have to ask in all/most lots/garages. Always ask if there is a Vet discount/waiver: sometimes small businesses don't think about it and then when you ask, you will see the lightbulb flash overhead and they smile, happy to do it.
 
2020-07-08 5:55:56 PM  

Interceptor1: Bathia_Mapes: I can't name a single hospital or medical center in my area that charges employees to park,

Johns Hopkins University does. Starting at $120 a month and going up from there. But they take it out of your pay check without you paying taxes on it so it's OK.


In the UK companies are taxed on parking spaces provided to employees. So they can give free parking, but it costs the company money. If that "company" is the NHS that means that money comes from their budget and leaves less for medical care.
Plus, space in the UK is pretty tight, especially in towns and cities. Have a car park big enough for all employees in a hospital? Even allowing for shifts that don't overlap that is still a huge amount of land that the NHS would have to buy in the first place, or that could be used to expand the hospital. Hospitals also have very good public transport, with bus routes having the hospital as a major destination.

This is Addenbrookes in Cambridge.
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Busses run until after midnight and start at six in the morning.

That hospital has ten thousand staff. A car park big enough for all of them would take thirty acres, a quarter of their entire site. And that's not counting car parking for visitors and patients.

Plus, something that hasn't been mentioned, is that hospitals have a lot of housing for staff on site.
From Addenbrookes.
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Those are apartment buildings for NHS staff. On site. Within walking distance.
This is another one on the same site.
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So lots of staff, especially students, live on site. They don't need to commute to the hospital. Or pay for parking.
 
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