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2020-07-07 9:29:59 PM  
Bill who?
 
2020-07-07 9:44:43 PM  
 
2020-07-07 10:03:50 PM  

dv-ous: feckingmorons: Bill who?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Sie​nkiewicz


Still, he didn't draw Richie Rich, I never heard of him.
 
2020-07-07 10:53:58 PM  
My mint still in the bags New Mutants comics and Dazzler editions where Sienkiewicz did the covers are part of my retirement fund.
 
2020-07-08 3:19:41 AM  
I have Transformers #1 and the full run of Stray Toasters in my collection
 
2020-07-08 3:43:07 AM  
Buried lead is they canceled "Dilbert". I've read nothing of this. If so ...

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/ with bonus gold retort with a mic slam.
 
2020-07-08 3:57:29 AM  

CrazyCurt: Buried lead is they canceled "Dilbert". I've read nothing of this. If so ...

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/ with bonus gold retort with a mic slam.


Article error -- Dilbert the TV show from 1999 was cancelled. Adams now claims it was canned because TV execs told him lack of diversity, when it was apparent crap ratings were the cause of death (and Adams earlier admitted that before revoking his residence in reality and embracing citizenship in Trumpbonia).
 
2020-07-08 4:36:15 AM  
Scott Adams

@ScottAdamsSays
I lost my TV show for being white when UPN decided it would focus on an African-American audience. That was the third job I lost for being white. The other two in corporate America. (They told me directly.)


He claims to have lost his job twice for being white and as proof says that he was told directly this was the reason. That would be a clear violation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. Yet somehow on neither occasion he could have been bothered to take legal action?
 
2020-07-08 4:49:44 AM  

Practical_Draconian: CrazyCurt: Buried lead is they canceled "Dilbert". I've read nothing of this. If so ...

good.jpg

/ with bonus gold retort with a mic slam.

Article error -- Dilbert the TV show from 1999 was cancelled. Adams now claims it was canned because TV execs told him lack of diversity, when it was apparent crap ratings were the cause of death (and Adams earlier admitted that before revoking his residence in reality and embracing citizenship in Trumpbonia).


From wikipedia.

"On November 22, 2006, when Adams was asked why the show was canceled, he explained:

It was on UPN, a network that few people watch. And because of some management screw-ups between the first and second seasons the time slot kept changing and we lost our viewers. We were also scheduled to follow the worst TV show ever made: Shasta McNasty. On TV, your viewership is 75% determined by how many people watched the show before yours. That killed us

On June 28, 2020, in light of the worsening of race relations in the United States, Adams reflected on the cancellation of his series 20 years earlier, tweeting:

I lost my TV show for being white when UPN decided it would focus on an African-American audience. That was the third job I lost for being white. The other two in corporate America. (They told me directly.)"


The thing is, both of these things can be true at the same time but not in the way Scott Adams is seeing it.

It's weird, because I worked for Ross Perot 20 years ago and Dilbert clippings were almost mandatory on everyone's cubicle walls. I even read some of his books.

He always struck me as a 'turn chicken shiat to chicken soup' 'power of positive thinking' kind of guy, but the quote above is such a defeatist, bitter reaction.

You didn't lost your job for 'being white' Scott. You lost it for not attracting a white audience to your show. UPN had every right to go in a different direction by attracting a different audience that might actually tune in.
 
2020-07-08 6:08:56 AM  
Golly, Dilbert the TV show was so good that everyone is still sharing clips from it, right?

It has a HUGE cult, yes? Bigger than Beavus and Butthead, no doubt!

Or ... It sucked so hard that everyone forgot Dilbert was on TV? Jon Lovitz' "The Critic" only lasted a season or two but everyone remembers THAT.

I forgot all about UPN and Dilbert, but I do remember Homeboys in Space. I hear those guys went on to successful projects.

/Scott Adams is a one trick pony
 
2020-07-08 6:38:47 AM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: Golly, Dilbert the TV show was so good that everyone is still sharing clips from it, right?

It has a HUGE cult, yes? Bigger than Beavus and Butthead, no doubt!

Or ... It sucked so hard that everyone forgot Dilbert was on TV? Jon Lovitz' "The Critic" only lasted a season or two but everyone remembers THAT.

I forgot all about UPN and Dilbert, but I do remember Homeboys in Space. I hear those guys went on to successful projects.

/Scott Adams is a one trick pony


So you're saying nothing of value was lost?
 
2020-07-08 6:45:42 AM  

dv-ous: feckingmorons: Bill who?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Sie​nkiewicz


When the Words and Pictures Museum was an actual physical place, one of the things I most remember were seeing not just pages, but the paintings that were sometimes used for covers. Sienkiewicz's stuff, in person, is just amazing. His canvases and cards are...they're f*cking dense.

I mourn the Words and Pictures Museum's loss, and for stupid reasons that come down to the sort of weird corruption and venality that crops up in the Happy Valley because people expect that sort of thing in New York or Boston, but are off their guard for it in a bucolic setting like Western Mass. And for Kevin Eastman's naivete where money is concerned. But for a few glorious years, it was an amazing place to walk into.
 
2020-07-08 6:59:16 AM  
Hey, you leave Mortdecai alone! He probably grew up to be an amazing artist.

Scott Adams, on the other hand, can suck it. Bill Sienkiewicz is like unto a god compared to Adams.
 
2020-07-08 7:18:58 AM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: Golly, Dilbert the TV show was so good that everyone is still sharing clips from it, right?

It has a HUGE cult, yes? Bigger than Beavus and Butthead, no doubt!

Or ... It sucked so hard that everyone forgot Dilbert was on TV? Jon Lovitz' "The Critic" only lasted a season or two but everyone remembers THAT.

I forgot all about UPN and Dilbert, but I do remember Homeboys in Space. I hear those guys went on to successful projects.

/Scott Adams is a one trick pony


I do have one thing from the Dilbert TV show: The audio from the Seven of Nine alarm clock. I used to have it set as my morning alarm noise. I quit using it several years ago.
 
2020-07-08 7:20:27 AM  

ntropy2012: Hey, you leave Mortdecai alone! He probably grew up to be an amazing artist.



That was Buford. He already knows his ABCs.

"Hit the deck, boy!"
 
2020-07-08 7:33:45 AM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: Scott Adams is a one trick pony


Honestly though, if he had kept doing his one trick, he'd be in a better position than he is now, with whatever the fark this shiat is. I dunno, maybe he's cashing in on the MAGAt grift, but it doesn't really look like it. He continues to survive because the comics syndication business is so slow to move that he could commit murder and they still wouldn't cancel his strip because there's an octogenarian in Peoria that's gonna write a terse letter to the editor about it.
 
2020-07-08 7:35:56 AM  

feckingmorons: Bill who?


Comic book artist. He's no Liefeld but he was pretty good.
 
2020-07-08 7:46:30 AM  
Love or hate him, lots of people know and love Adams work over the years (try finding an office without even one cut-out of a strip of his).

Love or hate him, nobody but the fanboys know who Sienkiewicz is.

And fark him for trying to emotionally blackmail Adams into contributing to his favorite political groups (I won't go so far as to call BLM a charity). That's a total douche move.
 
2020-07-08 8:02:07 AM  
You guys are being way to critical, i love cyanide and happiness.

What? oh, well then fark this guy.
 
2020-07-08 8:13:37 AM  

Unobtanium: I do have one thing from the Dilbert TV show: The audio from the Seven of Nine alarm clock. I used to have it set as my morning alarm noise. I quit using it several years ago.


I went and looked that up after reading your comment, and that was a pretty funny bit. Not sure why UPN felt the need to cross promote Voyager on Dilbert though, but shiat out to Jeri Ryan for playing it straight like that.
 
2020-07-08 8:41:02 AM  

feckingmorons: Bill who?


"Sink-kevitch", rhymes with stink cabbage.

Bless your shriveled little soul.
 
2020-07-08 8:44:02 AM  
Why don't I remember a kid drawing FART in Raising Arizona??
 
2020-07-08 8:48:04 AM  

Not_Todd: (try finding an office without even one cut-out of a strip of his)


In 2020, that's actually pretty easy. If you make it "try finding an office without even one cut-out strip of his published in the past decade," I think you'll find the task exceptionally difficult. Dilbert is in "legacy strip" territory, like Mary Worth, but less funny.

Not_Todd: And fark him for trying to emotionally blackmail Adams into contributing to his favorite political groups (I won't go so far as to call BLM a charity). That's a total douche move


Oh puhleeze, it's a standard "put your money where your mouth is," type challenge. I'm now pretty convinced you are Scott Adams. You're clearly not a Todd, so it's plausible. Scott: let it go. You aren't half as smart as you think you are, and being known as "the patron saint of Dunning-Kreuger" isn't a compliment.
 
2020-07-08 8:56:29 AM  

t3knomanser: Dilbert is in "legacy strip" territory, like Mary Worth, but less funny.


Dilbert never blessed us with Aldomania.
 
2020-07-08 9:19:05 AM  

Unobtanium: Wine Sipping Elitist: Golly, Dilbert the TV show was so good that everyone is still sharing clips from it, right?

It has a HUGE cult, yes? Bigger than Beavus and Butthead, no doubt!

Or ... It sucked so hard that everyone forgot Dilbert was on TV? Jon Lovitz' "The Critic" only lasted a season or two but everyone remembers THAT.

I forgot all about UPN and Dilbert, but I do remember Homeboys in Space. I hear those guys went on to successful projects.

/Scott Adams is a one trick pony

I do have one thing from the Dilbert TV show: The audio from the Seven of Nine alarm clock. I used to have it set as my morning alarm noise. I quit using it several years ago.


Meh, I prefer Happy Cat, because it's Mako being a smug asshole that isn't Aku.
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2020-07-08 9:20:10 AM  

Unobtanium: Wine Sipping Elitist: Golly, Dilbert the TV show was so good that everyone is still sharing clips from it, right?

It has a HUGE cult, yes? Bigger than Beavus and Butthead, no doubt!

Or ... It sucked so hard that everyone forgot Dilbert was on TV? Jon Lovitz' "The Critic" only lasted a season or two but everyone remembers THAT.

I forgot all about UPN and Dilbert, but I do remember Homeboys in Space. I hear those guys went on to successful projects.

/Scott Adams is a one trick pony

I do have one thing from the Dilbert TV show: The audio from the Seven of Nine alarm clock. I used to have it set as my morning alarm noise. I quit using it several years ago.


I still own the show on DVD, and have my plush Dogbert, and remember more about the show than is probably healthy (hurray for having a good memory for TV), but there's only two lines from it I can honestly remember using outside of quoting the show (both I still use today)

1. "I don't believe in your Todd"
2. "He's always installing puppet governments when I need him"

I can't remember the last time I actually read Dilbert, and I used to buy the books when they came out.  Has to been a decade plus since I stopped now.
 
2020-07-08 9:31:20 AM  
It's crazy that only in American can the simple idea that police who murder black people should be held accountable for their actions is something that has two sides. Then again, we also somehow have two sides to "should we fight the modern plague so we can save lives, the economy, and our children's education" discussion, too.
 
2020-07-08 9:32:38 AM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: Golly, Dilbert the TV show was so good that everyone is still sharing clips from it, right?

It has a HUGE cult, yes? Bigger than Beavus and Butthead, no doubt!

Or ... It sucked so hard that everyone forgot Dilbert was on TV? Jon Lovitz' "The Critic" only lasted a season or two but everyone remembers THAT.

I forgot all about UPN and Dilbert, but I do remember Homeboys in Space. I hear those guys went on to successful projects.

/Scott Adams is a one trick pony


I remember watching it at the time, and it honestly wasn't that bad. It was co-created by Larry Charles after all. I think I even had the DVD at one point.

But I stopped reading the Dilbert strips when I stopped working for that kind of company. I think it was too niche.

Ultimately it was overshadowed hugely by Office Space and Futurama which both had broader appeal.
 
2020-07-08 9:34:23 AM  
The theme song was the best part of that show. It's just a chopped up version of the theme from The Forbidden Zone, but still...
 
2020-07-08 10:01:13 AM  

Not_Todd: Love or hate him, lots of people know and love Adams work over the years (try finding an office without even one cut-out of a strip of his).

Love or hate him, nobody but the fanboys know who Sienkiewicz is.

And fark him for trying to emotionally blackmail Adams into contributing to his favorite political groups (I won't go so far as to call BLM a charity). That's a total douche move.


Nah, fark *you* for even remotely defending Scott Adams.  Christ, 'emotionally blackmail'.... GTFOH.
 
2020-07-08 10:13:28 AM  
Adams generally sucks nowadays but I can't blame him for turning down the idea.  Sienkiewicz is a classically trained artist who's illustrated all sorts of works as well as comics over the decades.  Adams trained in business and can probably only draw his Dilbert characters.  This was pretty obviously a set-up to embarrass Adams.
 
2020-07-08 10:28:44 AM  

Not_Todd: Love or hate him, lots of people know and love Adams work over the years (try finding an office without even one cut-out of a strip of his).

Love or hate him, nobody but the fanboys know who Sienkiewicz is.


Here's why your argument is wrong:

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2020-07-08 10:57:13 AM  

Optimal_Illusion: feckingmorons: Bill who?

"Sink-kevitch", rhymes with stink cabbage.

Bless your shriveled little soul.


Sin-KEV-Itch is how it is  correctly pronounced.
 
2020-07-08 11:10:45 AM  

Not_Todd: Love or hate him, lots of people know and love Adams work over the years (try finding an office without even one cut-out of a strip of his).

Love or hate him, nobody but the fanboys know who Sienkiewicz is.

And fark him for trying to emotionally blackmail Adams into contributing to his favorite political groups (I won't go so far as to call BLM a charity). That's a total douche move.


yeah... Bill has a decades long successful career in art and the field he loves to work in, having won multiple awards for his work, has worked on cartoons series, has several TV shows and at least one film based on his work  (Legion, New Mutants for example) with more to come, is a beloved figure in his field. When Bill shows up to do signings at a convention the lines are hours long. And he is willing to have an honest debate about things he believes in, and has researched.

Scott is marginally talented cartoonist who manages to still crank out a strip for newspapers...briefly had a cartoon on UPN...and has won 2 awards. Has been proven to be a liar on social media and his response has always been to create sock puppet accounts to fake support for himself. and has been fired from several corporate jobs for being a know it all asshole who is almost impossible to work with, but now blames it on "being white".
but lots of unimaginative people like to photocopy Dilbert strips and paste them in their cubicles (for which Adams gets ZERO compensation) so clearly  Scott Adams is the better man.

Sure Jan.
 
2020-07-08 11:11:07 AM  

Dr. Opossum: This was pretty obviously a set-up to embarrass Adams.


Only if Adams insisted on "winning" it instead of playing "two celebrities 'challenge' each other to raise money for charity" game. The winner, in a scenario like this, is charities. Like, seriously, if you're mildly famous and have some spare cash and fans, this is a good way to raise money for causes you support (and even if some money goes to some you don't like, you still come out ahead).

Like, I run a shiatty programming blog that ran an overglorified dick joke as an article today, have like, 3 true fans and even I get this shiat. It's not hard.
 
2020-07-08 12:13:44 PM  

Dr. Opossum: Adams generally sucks nowadays but I can't blame him for turning down the idea.  Sienkiewicz is a classically trained artist who's illustrated all sorts of works as well as comics over the decades.  Adams trained in business and can probably only draw his Dilbert characters. This was pretty obviously a set-up to embarrass Adams.


Adams doesn't need any help from Sienkiewicz to be publicly embarrassed. His racist tweet on the issue does a pretty good job of that.
 
2020-07-08 12:16:36 PM  

Unobtanium: Wine Sipping Elitist: Golly, Dilbert the TV show was so good that everyone is still sharing clips from it, right?

It has a HUGE cult, yes? Bigger than Beavus and Butthead, no doubt!

Or ... It sucked so hard that everyone forgot Dilbert was on TV? Jon Lovitz' "The Critic" only lasted a season or two but everyone remembers THAT.

I forgot all about UPN and Dilbert, but I do remember Homeboys in Space. I hear those guys went on to successful projects.

/Scott Adams is a one trick pony

I do have one thing from the Dilbert TV show: The audio from the Seven of Nine alarm clock. I used to have it set as my morning alarm noise. I quit using it several years ago.


Ha!  That was funny. Thanks for that.
 
2020-07-08 12:25:36 PM  

Devil's Advocaat: Practical_Draconian: CrazyCurt: Buried lead is they canceled "Dilbert". I've read nothing of this. If so ...

good.jpg

/ with bonus gold retort with a mic slam.

Article error -- Dilbert the TV show from 1999 was cancelled. Adams now claims it was canned because TV execs told him lack of diversity, when it was apparent crap ratings were the cause of death (and Adams earlier admitted that before revoking his residence in reality and embracing citizenship in Trumpbonia).

From wikipedia.

"On November 22, 2006, when Adams was asked why the show was canceled, he explained:

It was on UPN, a network that few people watch. And because of some management screw-ups between the first and second seasons the time slot kept changing and we lost our viewers. We were also scheduled to follow the worst TV show ever made: Shasta McNasty. On TV, your viewership is 75% determined by how many people watched the show before yours. That killed us

On June 28, 2020, in light of the worsening of race relations in the United States, Adams reflected on the cancellation of his series 20 years earlier, tweeting:

I lost my TV show for being white when UPN decided it would focus on an African-American audience. That was the third job I lost for being white. The other two in corporate America. (They told me directly.)"

The thing is, both of these things can be true at the same time but not in the way Scott Adams is seeing it.

It's weird, because I worked for Ross Perot 20 years ago and Dilbert clippings were almost mandatory on everyone's cubicle walls. I even read some of his books.

He always struck me as a 'turn chicken shiat to chicken soup' 'power of positive thinking' kind of guy, but the quote above is such a defeatist, bitter reaction.

You didn't lost your job for 'being white' Scott. You lost it for not attracting a white audience to your show. UPN had every right to go in a different direction by attracting a different audience that might actually tune in.


I have a friend that knew him from when they worked at PacBell and said he was very socially awkward back then.
 
2020-07-08 2:10:13 PM  
I'm not familiar with Sienkiewicz's work since I'm not a comics guy, but it would have been a good gesture. Scott Adams, on the other hand, is an insufferable MAGAt assbag who's still drawing a strip rooted in a corporate culture from the 1970's dealing with technology from the 1990's. I stopped reading his strip about the time my last Iomega Zip disk succumbed to the "click of death."
 
2020-07-08 4:17:54 PM  

Bimmer Jones: I'm not familiar with Sienkiewicz's work since I'm not a comics guy,


Awesome, somebody put a coin in the slot.
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The dude is good, and runs a great FB page.
 
2020-07-08 5:34:42 PM  

AdrienVeidt: Bimmer Jones: I'm not familiar with Sienkiewicz's work since I'm not a comics guy,

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The dude is good, and runs a great FB page.


I've really come to appreciate his memorial portriats.

though I think I've seen enough of Bills ass to last 5 life times after the past couple months.


/I've got a commission from him from Nov 2006 of Bush Jr "eating crow"... keep needing to get it framed.
 
2020-07-08 9:17:07 PM  
Still have the full set of Electra Assassin stashed somewhere, not just covers there. beginning to end all Bill
Just being able to control watercolors is an achievement in itself.
 
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