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2020-07-07 3:00:25 PM  
Watched it last night.  I had heard it was good, but having seen a couple of the major broadway plays over the years, I was definitely not expecting that.  It was excellent.

I would watch C-SPAN every day if congress had to do mic battles like that.
 
2020-07-07 5:09:57 PM  
Now Disney+ has *two* things worth watching!

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2020-07-07 5:20:17 PM  
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2020-07-07 5:33:29 PM  
Still haven't made it but I'm going to.  Thanks to some fans in the family who have been huge fans for a while, I'm extremely familiar with all the music, which makes me feel there might not be lot of new enjoyment from essentially watching people sing the songs that I've heard a million times (and *are* quite good!).  Hope I'm wrong, and hope to get to it later this week
 
2020-07-07 6:30:59 PM  
I made it 15 minutes into Hamilton before turning it off. It just wasn't for me.
 
2020-07-07 6:31:49 PM  
I'll say this, I never had the pleasure of seeing the original cast on Broadway. I did see the show on tour, and while that was awesome, this completely blew that out of the water. It's very well shot and edited, and the OG cast were clearly extremely comfortable with the material. That shows in their performances, which I would say also blow the cast album out of the water.

Pretty damn outstanding, if you ask me. Forget about a cinematic adaptation. This is where it's at.
 
2020-07-07 6:32:21 PM  
King George and Thomas Jefferson stole the show.
 
2020-07-07 6:35:20 PM  
I cancelled Disney+ to pick up CBS All Access for the summer.  When I grab Disney+ again in October for the Mandalorian, I'll check this out too.
 
2020-07-07 6:36:34 PM  
Watching Hamilton, with my soup
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2020-07-07 6:38:05 PM  
I've posted this in another thread but it is worth multiple watchings, at least two. The first to take it all in. There's so much to see and enjoy, the acting, the music, the dancing, the brilliant stage direction (that rotating floor was genius), the occasional humor, the subtle nod to contemporary references, the interesting things about history that we may not have known about, the poignant moments. So let it just wash over you on the first watch.

Then on the second, put on the closed captions and read every single word to see how clever and smart the lyrics are, because you will miss a lot on the first watch because your senses are overloaded.

It really does deserve its status as one of the best Broadway ever. It's genius on every level, not least that it was a completely innovative take on how the story gets told, and how seamless it was to have people of every color playing the roles despite the color of the actual historical figure, and how that decision never felt false or forced.
 
2020-07-07 6:39:13 PM  

CipollinaFan: King George and Thomas Jefferson stole the show.


And Angelica.
 
2020-07-07 6:41:32 PM  

dodecahedron: CipollinaFan: King George and Thomas Jefferson stole the show.

And Angelica.


My god, she was absolutely incredible.
 
2020-07-07 6:47:37 PM  

Weatherkiss: I made it 15 minutes into Hamilton before turning it off. It just wasn't for me.


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2020-07-07 6:50:08 PM  

Naido: Still haven't made it but I'm going to.  Thanks to some fans in the family who have been huge fans for a while, I'm extremely familiar with all the music, which makes me feel there might not be lot of new enjoyment from essentially watching people sing the songs that I've heard a million times (and *are* quite good!).  Hope I'm wrong, and hope to get to it later this week


There are some fantastic bits of stage work. If you legit like the soundtrack you should not be disappointed seeing it play out. And it's a multicamera shoot so you're not limited to just one perspective like you would if you were in the audience.
 
2020-07-07 7:05:14 PM  
let me preface this by saying that like someone at an AA meeting who stands and admits they have a problem I am in no way claiming superiority. more like admitting a failing.

I am Chuck N and I hate musicals. I always have. even Mary Poppins. they have always jarred me because real life doesn't break into song. I cannot suspend disbelief watching a musical. I will never ever watch this or La La Land. I just can't.
 
2020-07-07 7:10:18 PM  
I'm not a big fan of musicals. Before seeing Hamilton I would have said that that I like exactly three musicals. Now I like four. It's very impressive and somehow the fact that it is a filmed play didn't really hurt it.
 
2020-07-07 7:14:09 PM  
I watched the entire first season of The Mandalorian with a one-week free Disney+ pass in March.  3 months later I can't remember a single thing about the series.  I think the COVID isolation is rotting my brain.
 
2020-07-07 7:16:03 PM  
Asked in another thread: Anyone got Disney+ running through a tablet (Android) and able to put it on a 10-year-old TV that has a USB port? Elderly mom wants to see Hamilton, but she doesn't get the Fire Stick and other stuff, nor wants to buy that crap if she did (she pays a hella lot for cable; late dad wanted his movie and sports channels and she admits she got spoiled by that).

Myself, I would run it through my PC and onto my TV that I have my video card connected to (cuts off a bit of a fullscreen image though).
 
2020-07-07 7:17:05 PM  
Meh. Cats was better.
 
2020-07-07 7:19:29 PM  

CipollinaFan: King George and Thomas Jefferson stole the show.


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Can't get over that King George is the guy from Mindhunter (and Cristoff from Frozen apparently). Also, Thomas Jefferson and Lafayette are played by the same actor.
 
2020-07-07 7:23:43 PM  

chucknasty: let me preface this by saying that like someone at an AA meeting who stands and admits they have a problem I am in no way claiming superiority. more like admitting a failing.

I am Chuck N and I hate musicals. I always have. even Mary Poppins. they have always jarred me because real life doesn't break into song. I cannot suspend disbelief watching a musical. I will never ever watch this or La La Land. I just can't.


I couldn't watch LaLaLand myself. I wasn't a fan of Mary Poppins, it was well done but a little too cutesy for me. I got dragged to Cats, and Into the Woods, and I didn't like either of them at all. But there's a list of shows I've seen that I loved. Do you really think all musicals are the same? This isn't your typical musical.
 
2020-07-07 7:24:11 PM  

gameshowhost: Now Disney+ has *two* things worth watching!

/i get the same from crackle
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Spoiler- it's not good
 
2020-07-07 7:24:58 PM  

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2020-07-07 7:27:58 PM  
"Meh"
 
2020-07-07 7:32:11 PM  
The Mandalorian will get a Season 2.  Alexander Hamilton - still dead.

/love both
 
2020-07-07 7:33:25 PM  

Ecliptic: CipollinaFan: King George and Thomas Jefferson stole the show.

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Can't get over that King George is the guy from Mindhunter (and Cristoff from Frozen apparently). Also, Thomas Jefferson and Lafayette are played by the same actor.


My problem with this is I expect him to break put into a rap battle on "Snowpiercier."
 
2020-07-07 7:40:21 PM  
I tried.  Made it about 10-15 minutes and decided to do something else.

I don't get the hype - but then I don't get popular music over the last 20 years or so, and my guess is I'm not the target audience.
 
2020-07-07 7:46:33 PM  

Fano: gameshowhost: Now Disney+ has *two* things worth watching!

/i get the same from crackle
//crackle is free

The Big Chill was the best thing on Crackle

Spoiler- it's not good


Excuse me but I hated The Big Chill before it was cool.

/you have to look around a bit more
//the occasional 'hey i actually liked that' pops up
///just because sony owns so much shiat, it's all in the statisticals
 
2020-07-07 7:48:33 PM  

dodecahedron: chucknasty: let me preface this by saying that like someone at an AA meeting who stands and admits they have a problem I am in no way claiming superiority. more like admitting a failing.

I am Chuck N and I hate musicals. I always have. even Mary Poppins. they have always jarred me because real life doesn't break into song. I cannot suspend disbelief watching a musical. I will never ever watch this or La La Land. I just can't.

I couldn't watch LaLaLand myself. I wasn't a fan of Mary Poppins, it was well done but a little too cutesy for me. I got dragged to Cats, and Into the Woods, and I didn't like either of them at all. But there's a list of shows I've seen that I loved. Do you really think all musicals are the same? This isn't your typical musical.


I don't think all musicals are the same but the common thread of people breaking into song is mentally jarring for me (and it is a me thing, I know). perhaps when I was young I expected that to happen IRL and the disappointment it never did.
I very much love the songs on their own (love Gilbert and Sullivan songs out of context). a lot of Simpsons I guess. weirdly I started a thread last night about the death of the composer for The Good the Bad and the Ugly and you could make an argument that film is a musical because the music plays such a large part.

I take your point an appreciate an honest response but I don't think it would be enjoyable for me.
 
2020-07-07 7:50:56 PM  
For everyone that only made it 15 minutes. Watch it through King George's number, then decide whether or not you want to continue.
 
2020-07-07 7:51:38 PM  

CipollinaFan: King George and Thomas Jefferson stole the show.


I was trying to figure out what King "You'll be Back" (King George's song) reminded me of. For now, "Daydream Believer" by the Monkees is close.
 
2020-07-07 7:56:41 PM  

Weatherkiss: I made it 15 minutes into Hamilton before turning it off. It just wasn't for me.


IMHO you have to have two things for it to be really compelling:

1) a non-dislike of Broadway musicals
2) somewhat of a longing for a United States that never has existed but has always been a great story

/so yeah it didn't capture my attention for long either
//more of the former for me, tbh. so many musicals are such hot garbage that i don't give them much of a chance.
 
2020-07-07 7:58:29 PM  

chucknasty: let me preface this by saying that like someone at an AA meeting who stands and admits they have a problem I am in no way claiming superiority. more like admitting a failing.

I am Chuck N and I hate musicals. I always have. even Mary Poppins. they have always jarred me because real life doesn't break into song. I cannot suspend disbelief watching a musical. I will never ever watch this or La La Land. I just can't.


Actually I feel bad for you. Real life does actually sometimes break into song.
 
2020-07-07 8:01:51 PM  

chucknasty: dodecahedron: chucknasty: let me preface this by saying that like someone at an AA meeting who stands and admits they have a problem I am in no way claiming superiority. more like admitting a failing.

I am Chuck N and I hate musicals. I always have. even Mary Poppins. they have always jarred me because real life doesn't break into song. I cannot suspend disbelief watching a musical. I will never ever watch this or La La Land. I just can't.

I couldn't watch LaLaLand myself. I wasn't a fan of Mary Poppins, it was well done but a little too cutesy for me. I got dragged to Cats, and Into the Woods, and I didn't like either of them at all. But there's a list of shows I've seen that I loved. Do you really think all musicals are the same? This isn't your typical musical.

I don't think all musicals are the same but the common thread of people breaking into song is mentally jarring for me (and it is a me thing, I know). perhaps when I was young I expected that to happen IRL and the disappointment it never did.
I very much love the songs on their own (love Gilbert and Sullivan songs out of context). a lot of Simpsons I guess. weirdly I started a thread last night about the death of the composer for The Good the Bad and the Ugly and you could make an argument that film is a musical because the music plays such a large part.

I take your point an appreciate an honest response but I don't think it would be enjoyable for me.


I mean it does sound like the Musical genre is "Not for you".

So I love musicals, I mean they're absurd, and half the time the plot in a musical is real loosey goosey, but its mostly about enjoying the visual/musical experience.

That said, for the most part I dislike horror films, and not liking horror as a genre seems to be generally accepted as something one is allowed to do.  So I wouldn't see a reason for someone to dislike other genres sort of broadly.

/TLDR like what you like.
 
2020-07-07 8:07:24 PM  

dodecahedron: I've posted this in another thread but it is worth multiple watchings, at least two. The first to take it all in. There's so much to see and enjoy, the acting, the music, the dancing, the brilliant stage direction (that rotating floor was genius), the occasional humor, the subtle nod to contemporary references, the interesting things about history that we may not have known about, the poignant moments. So let it just wash over you on the first watch.

Then on the second, put on the closed captions and read every single word to see how clever and smart the lyrics are, because you will miss a lot on the first watch because your senses are overloaded.

It really does deserve its status as one of the best Broadway ever. It's genius on every level, not least that it was a completely innovative take on how the story gets told, and how seamless it was to have people of every color playing the roles despite the color of the actual historical figure, and how that decision never felt false or forced.


I watched it with my neighbors on Sunday. They had already watched it once and were definitely not adverse to seeing it again. They put on the CC for me because of my hearing impairment and basically said what you just said . . . the CC really made the second viewing so much more meaningful because they could pick up on things they missed the first time around.

I am so glad it lived up to all the hype.
 
2020-07-07 8:12:15 PM  

chucknasty: let me preface this by saying that like someone at an AA meeting who stands and admits they have a problem I am in no way claiming superiority. more like admitting a failing.

I am Chuck N and I hate musicals. I always have. even Mary Poppins. they have always jarred me because real life doesn't break into song. I cannot suspend disbelief watching a musical. I will never ever watch this or La La Land. I just can't.


The musical got big in 2015-16 and I automatically hated it because (1) I hate musicals and (2) thought it was a ridiculous take on something I cared about (I'd loved the book)

Then it came to the Kennedy Center a couple years ago and we got tix. I grumbled about it until a week before, then thought I'd give it listen if I had spent all that money....and I loved it.

If you decide to watch - commit yourself to the whole thing, and give in. Get lost in it.

If you still hate it...sorry. But I'm sure you've spent more time on worse things
 
2020-07-07 8:14:32 PM  

chucknasty: I don't think all musicals are the same but the common thread of people breaking into song is mentally jarring for me (and it is a me thing, I know). perhaps when I was young I expected that to happen IRL and the disappointment it never did.
I very much love the songs on their own (love Gilbert and Sullivan songs out of context). a lot of Simpsons I guess. weirdly I started a thread last night about the death of the composer for The Good the Bad and the Ugly and you could make an argument that film is a musical because the music plays such a large part.

I take your point an appreciate an honest response but I don't think it would be enjoyable for me.


Thanks for the answer, and you may very well be right. I don't mean to try to talk you into it but they don't break into song, in fact they are always singing and never break into...conversation...so it is different. And because they are rapping it is like listening to poetry with emphasis on certain beats and with clever internal rhymes.

I think it's a lot more like an opera than a musical. Or maybe a hybrid of that. I don't know if that helps. I don't expect everyone to like what I do so I can appreciate your honest response.
 
2020-07-07 8:26:22 PM  

GlamrLama: chucknasty: let me preface this by saying that like someone at an AA meeting who stands and admits they have a problem I am in no way claiming superiority. more like admitting a failing.

I am Chuck N and I hate musicals. I always have. even Mary Poppins. they have always jarred me because real life doesn't break into song. I cannot suspend disbelief watching a musical. I will never ever watch this or La La Land. I just can't.

Actually I feel bad for you. Real life does actually sometimes break into song.


Every morning I leap out of bed to "Ecstacy of Gold." I have a mental soundtrack that follows me every moment of the day. It's like Rhapsody in Blue meets Peter and the Wolf. I mentally transpose people's chatter into songs. I sing the body electric.
 
2020-07-07 8:28:05 PM  
It's actually kind of disappointing that the vocals aren't as clear and distinct as they were in the cast album.

However, the King George shoulder action from Jonathan Groff in You'll Be Back was awesome.
 
2020-07-07 8:31:49 PM  

gameshowhost: Now Disney+ has *two* things worth watching!

/i get the same from crackle
//crackle is free


Crackle has Hamilton and The Mandalorian?

Oh man, the Mouse is going to rend their flesh and crunch their bones.
 
2020-07-07 8:39:20 PM  

Naido: Still haven't made it but I'm going to.  Thanks to some fans in the family who have been huge fans for a while, I'm extremely familiar with all the music, which makes me feel there might not be lot of new enjoyment from essentially watching people sing the songs that I've heard a million times (and *are* quite good!).  Hope I'm wrong, and hope to get to it later this week


For me, musicals get much better after I become familiar with the songs. If something is good, I'll enjoy it from the start, but I'm able to appreciate it so much more after I learn the songs. I think it's because I can never fully enjoy the songs as I'm trying to pay attention to the words to get the story down.

I was thinking about giving the soundtrack a listens before watching it.
 
2020-07-07 8:46:47 PM  
SamFlagg: snip
That said, for the most part I dislike horror films, and not liking horror as a genre seems to be generally accepted as something one is allowed to do.  So I wouldn't see a reason for someone to dislike other genres sort of broadly.

sorry to snip but wall of text is annoying.
funny you should mention that. I have a friend that just cannot watch anything with the least sadistic thing going on (obviously Hostel, etc but he couldn't watch the Harry Potter movie with Umbridge in it). my weird aversion to musicals is like that. kind of a visceral thing. I think people disliking violence have a better reason than me not liking singing. it is complicated.

dodecahedron: snip

Thanks for the answer, and you may very well be right. I don't mean to try to talk you into it but they don't break into song, in fact they are always singing and never break into...conversation...so it is different. And because they are rapping it is like listening to poetry with emphasis on certain beats and with clever internal rhymes.

I think it's a lot more like an opera than a musical. Or maybe a hybrid of that. I don't know if that helps. I don't expect everyone to like what I do so I can appreciate your honest response.


hmm, I was unaware it was a constant pace. not sure I could do 3 hours of it but you have intrigued me.

I should also admit I love Rocky Horror Picture Show so I guess I am a hypocrite. that just occurred to me.
 
2020-07-07 8:51:16 PM  
Got Dizplus just to watch this and Mando, plan to drop back out until Mando comes back.   That said, Hamilton was really exceptionally good; the hybrid film capture of live audience and camera-only, combined with the tremendous craft of the rotating center staging, enhanced the impact of he show such that i think it's a better experience than siting live in the front row.

That said, while I appreciated the cleverness of the rap-based parts I wasn't unhappy when they faded away and the rest of the singing became largely more conventional.
 
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2020-07-07 8:56:29 PM  

Weatherkiss: I made it 15 minutes into Hamilton before turning it off. It just wasn't for me.


You'll be back
 
2020-07-07 8:57:55 PM  

Unobtanium: CipollinaFan: King George and Thomas Jefferson stole the show.

I was trying to figure out what King "You'll be Back" (King George's song) reminded me of. For now, "Daydream Believer" by the Monkees is close.


"Daydream Believer" is a good call. "You'll be Back" seems most clearly influenced by mid60s pop/rock, especially British Invasion influenced music. That crossed with a bit of 90s Britpop.
 
2020-07-07 9:02:03 PM  

Andric: I'll say this, I never had the pleasure of seeing the original cast on Broadway. I did see the show on tour, and while that was awesome, this completely blew that out of the water. It's very well shot and edited, and the OG cast were clearly extremely comfortable with the material. That shows in their performances, which I would say also blow the cast album out of the water.

Pretty damn outstanding, if you ask me. Forget about a cinematic adaptation. This is where it's at.


I was really surprised by how well shot and edited it was. Most filmed stage productions are either a) a single camera, which is boring as - though it captures the single perspective you get in the theater you don't get the feeling of actually being there, or b) over the top intrusive and melodramatic camera angles and extreme closeups.

This was graceful, restrained. It respected the theatricality of the show while accenting the choreography and blocking. Really well done.
 
2020-07-07 9:08:09 PM  

chucknasty: hmm, I was unaware it was a constant pace. not sure I could do 3 hours of it but you have intrigued me.

I should also admit I love Rocky Horror Picture Show so I guess I am a hypocrite. that just occurred to me.


There's an intermission which I found was a handy time to take a break. In fact, I watched the second half the next day. Hope you'll give it a chance and let us know what you think.
 
2020-07-07 9:16:49 PM  

gameshowhost: Now Disney+ has *two* things worth watching!

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