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(The Register)   "Fret not, Linux fans, Microsoft's Project Freta is here to peer deep into your memory to spot malware." Yeah, if you think Linux users trust anything from Redmond, I've got a bridge to sell you   (theregister.com) divider line
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2020-07-07 2:21:39 PM  
Linux fans are more into Project Fritos anyhow.
 
2020-07-07 3:09:16 PM  

gameshowhost: Linux fans are more into Project Fritos anyhow.


Fritos, Mountain Dew, Pizza, and Beer. It's called Project Nom Nom. The source code is included.
 
2020-07-07 3:09:50 PM  
WSL 2 and VS Code come to mind.

Doesn't Microsoft also contribute a bunch of Linux code these days because azure runs on it?
 
2020-07-07 3:13:25 PM  
Next, tell us the one about how Linux is more secure than Windows. That's a knee slapper.
 
2020-07-07 3:23:35 PM  

Uncle Eazy: Next, tell us the one about how Linux is more secure than Windows. That's a knee slapper.


When you're trying to make a point, you probably shouldn't source your argument on a site dedicated to that which you are trying to support, rookie mistake.
 
2020-07-07 3:23:37 PM  

Uncle Eazy: Next, tell us the one about how Linux is more secure than Windows. That's a knee slapper.


I like that my Linux box only does what I tell it to do and not what Microsoft tells it to do.

/and it's pretty easy to harden a Linux install
 
2020-07-07 3:24:14 PM  

Gubbo: WSL 2 and VS Code come to mind.

Doesn't Microsoft also contribute a bunch of Linux code these days because azure runs on it?


Azure runs on Hyper-V. Microsoft does have a Linux-based virtual network stack, but that too runs as a Hyper-V guest.

But they do contribute code to make Linux run on Hyper-V well, in the form of drivers for the virtual hardware.
 
2020-07-07 3:32:13 PM  
"Subby, I would like to purchase this bridge" - H. Simpson
 
2020-07-07 3:34:31 PM  

Uncle Eazy: Next, tell us the one about how Linux is more secure than Windows. That's a knee slapper.


But they have all these volunteer maintainers bulletproofing the source code
 
2020-07-07 3:35:08 PM  
</sarc>
 
2020-07-07 3:42:39 PM  

petec: Uncle Eazy: Next, tell us the one about how Linux is more secure than Windows. That's a knee slapper.

I like that my Linux box only does what I tell it to do and not what Microsoft tells it to do.

/and it's pretty easy to harden a Linux install


What does Microsoft tell your computer to do?

Is it updates? I bet it's updates.
 
2020-07-07 3:45:06 PM  

Gubbo: WSL 2 and VS Code come to mind.

Doesn't Microsoft also contribute a bunch of Linux code these days because azure runs on it?


Yes.
 
2020-07-07 3:46:36 PM  

Herr Flick's Revenge: Gubbo: WSL 2 and VS Code come to mind.

Doesn't Microsoft also contribute a bunch of Linux code these days because azure runs on it?

Yes.


No
 
2020-07-07 3:47:04 PM  

Gubbo: petec: Uncle Eazy: Next, tell us the one about how Linux is more secure than Windows. That's a knee slapper.

I like that my Linux box only does what I tell it to do and not what Microsoft tells it to do.

/and it's pretty easy to harden a Linux install

What does Microsoft tell your computer to do?

Is it updates? I bet it's updates.


Well that and "send us your meta-data" I guess.
 
2020-07-07 3:51:51 PM  

steve_wmn: Gubbo: petec: Uncle Eazy: Next, tell us the one about how Linux is more secure than Windows. That's a knee slapper.

I like that my Linux box only does what I tell it to do and not what Microsoft tells it to do.

/and it's pretty easy to harden a Linux install

What does Microsoft tell your computer to do?

Is it updates? I bet it's updates.

Well that and "send us your meta-data" I guess.


Doesn't Ubuntu dial home with that as well?

I think everyone sends that data
 
2020-07-07 3:52:28 PM  

Gubbo: WSL 2 and VS Code come to mind.

Doesn't Microsoft also contribute a bunch of Linux code these days because azure runs on it?


Windows runs Linux.

Windows Phone could launch Android apps for a while as well, that's the code they used to make Windows run Linux.
 
2020-07-07 3:55:00 PM  

Gubbo: steve_wmn: Gubbo: petec: Uncle Eazy: Next, tell us the one about how Linux is more secure than Windows. That's a knee slapper.

I like that my Linux box only does what I tell it to do and not what Microsoft tells it to do.

/and it's pretty easy to harden a Linux install

What does Microsoft tell your computer to do?

Is it updates? I bet it's updates.

Well that and "send us your meta-data" I guess.

Doesn't Ubuntu dial home with that as well?

I think everyone sends that data


Last I checked it was a one time opt in at install and didn't send anything past that initial info, but I use mint so ymmv
 
2020-07-07 4:10:16 PM  
I already got rid of the malware when I formatted the drive completely and installed Linux.
 
2020-07-07 4:38:56 PM  

Uncle Eazy: Next, tell us the one about how Linux is more secure than Windows. That's a knee slapper.


How many of those were actually exploited, and how many would the 'hackers' have to have physical access to the hardware?
 
2020-07-07 4:45:40 PM  
Meh, I dual boot on most of my machines. Screw the gatekeepers.
 
2020-07-07 4:57:24 PM  

Jon T. Hall: Uncle Eazy: Next, tell us the one about how Linux is more secure than Windows. That's a knee slapper.

When you're trying to make a point, you probably shouldn't source your argument on a site dedicated to that which you are trying to support, rookie mistake.


Except he gets his info from somewhere else, and even sources it. Try again.
 
2020-07-07 5:33:55 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: Gubbo: WSL 2 and VS Code come to mind.

Doesn't Microsoft also contribute a bunch of Linux code these days because azure runs on it?

Windows runs Linux.

Windows Phone could launch Android apps for a while as well, that's the code they used to make Windows run Linux.


Windows phone?
 
2020-07-07 7:40:36 PM  

gameshowhost: Linux fans are more into Project Fritos anyhow.



whenever i hear the word Microsoft i think Security.


giggle
 
2020-07-07 7:45:06 PM  

Uncle Eazy: Next, tell us the one about how Linux is more secure than Windows. That's a knee slapper.



the best part is that, since 2006, i've clicked on and been to every imaginable shiathole on the internet and have yet to be infected with a virus/spyware, etc.  i don't run any type of antivirus and my only firewall is my Asus router which also runs Linux.

prior to 2006 i was windows only.  mostly XP, and i spent quite a bit of time keeping my desktop clean/secure.  it was alot of work/time to say the least.  defragging, getting programs to play nice together, etc.  scan disk, etc etc.  it tires me thinking about it.

all that went away with Linux.  i finally got my computer back from Redmond.
 
2020-07-07 7:45:57 PM  

Truck Fump: Ketchuponsteak: Gubbo: WSL 2 and VS Code come to mind.

Doesn't Microsoft also contribute a bunch of Linux code these days because azure runs on it?

Windows runs Linux.

Windows Phone could launch Android apps for a while as well, that's the code they used to make Windows run Linux.

Windows phone?


Linux Phone
 
2020-07-07 7:47:14 PM  

thetrenchcoat: Meh, I dual boot on most of my machines. Screw the gatekeepers.


good idea

i used to, but since i'm not a gamer and could find everything in Linux that MS had, i eventually went Linux only.  Zero regrets.
 
2020-07-07 7:47:53 PM  

Nimbull: I already got rid of the malware when I formatted the drive completely and installed Linux.


same here

and i got my computer back too.
 
2020-07-07 7:50:02 PM  

petec: Uncle Eazy: Next, tell us the one about how Linux is more secure than Windows. That's a knee slapper.

I like that my Linux box only does what I tell it to do and not what Microsoft tells it to do.

/and it's pretty easy to harden a Linux install


yep

Linux bows to the User.  the User is in charge.

Microsoft bows to Microsoft and its stock owners.  THEY are in charge and they want their free capital gains/money every quarter.
 
2020-07-07 7:51:17 PM  

Uncle Eazy: Next, tell us the one about how Linux is more secure than Windows. That's a knee slapper.



We didn't say it would be easy
we only said it would be the truth.

welcome to the real world, Neo.
 
2020-07-07 7:53:45 PM  

phaseolus: Uncle Eazy: Next, tell us the one about how Linux is more secure than Windows. That's a knee slapper.

But they have all these volunteer maintainers bulletproofing the source code


volunteers who love to program.  also companies like Intel, Red Hat, Microsoft, etc also contribute a shiat ton of code to Linux.

but since the source code is open source, anyone who can read code can inspect and look around.  the more eyeballs, the more likely someone will find a problem

hard to hide things in a glass house.

only Microsoft coders can read their source code.
 
2020-07-07 7:57:02 PM  

Linux_Yes: thetrenchcoat: Meh, I dual boot on most of my machines. Screw the gatekeepers.

good idea

i used to, but since i'm not a gamer and could find everything in Linux that MS had, i eventually went Linux only.  Zero regrets.


You got me, I do a little gaming. But I also need windows for work. Plus it helps to know WIndows when you have to go fix your friend's computer :)
 
2020-07-07 8:00:02 PM  

Gubbo: steve_wmn: Gubbo: petec: Uncle Eazy: Next, tell us the one about how Linux is more secure than Windows. That's a knee slapper.

I like that my Linux box only does what I tell it to do and not what Microsoft tells it to do.

/and it's pretty easy to harden a Linux install

What does Microsoft tell your computer to do?

Is it updates? I bet it's updates.

Well that and "send us your meta-data" I guess.

Doesn't Ubuntu dial home with that as well?

I think everyone sends that data


It asks you up-front when you install whether you would like to use it. It's mostly for the Ubuntu store. Popularity-contest i think is the name of it?
 
2020-07-07 8:01:38 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Uncle Eazy: Next, tell us the one about how Linux is more secure than Windows. That's a knee slapper.

How many of those were actually exploited, and how many would the 'hackers' have to have physical access to the hardware?


And how many were security notices on published kernel releases? Thankfully they get spotted out pretty quick and actually patched.

As well, it's a LOT easier to spot security problems in code when you can actually read the code.
 
2020-07-07 10:10:36 PM  

Uncle Eazy: Next, tell us the one about how Linux is more secure than Windows. That's a knee slapper.


Uncle Eazy: Jon T. Hall: Uncle Eazy: Next, tell us the one about how Linux is more secure than Windows. That's a knee slapper.

When you're trying to make a point, you probably shouldn't source your argument on a site dedicated to that which you are trying to support, rookie mistake.

Except he gets his info from somewhere else, and even sources it. Try again.


Fark already had a thread on that shiat.
 
2020-07-08 3:12:44 AM  

Linux_Yes: the best part is that, since 2006, i've clicked on and been to every imaginable shiathole on the internet and have yet to be infected with a virus/spyware, etc. i don't run any type of antivirus and my only firewall is my Asus router which also runs Linux.


Security Through Obscurity doesn't mean you're more secure, it just means people are less likely to make drive-by malware attacks for <3% of visitors.

Linux_Yes: prior to 2006 i was windows only. mostly XP, and i spent quite a bit of time keeping my desktop clean/secure. it was alot of work/time to say the least. defragging, getting programs to play nice together, etc. scan disk, etc etc. it tires me thinking about it.


And today, with Linux, you spend a lot of time configuring it to work with your hardware, reconfiguring when somebody decides that hardware configurations should work different, reconfiguring it when somebody decides the old init system isn't good enough, reconfiguring when somebody else decides the init system should also have a dozen other features built in and now the old way isn't supported, a bunch of time waiting for your particular distribution to update that specific piece of software you use to the latest version, or else a lot of time building it yourself. Or time switching distributions because you don't like the direction your current one is going. Good luck getting software to work together - you want the latest Firefox but not the latest GIMP? Sorry. They are linked against  different versions of libjpeg-turbo, and the two can't co-exist together. And GCC once again changed the object format in C++ software, so now you have to rebuild all your hand-built C++ software after an upgrade.

Linux_Yes: Linux bows to the User. the User is in charge.


No. The distribution maintainer is in charge, for 90% of Linux users.

Linux_Yes: only Microsoft coders can read their source code.


And the many many Microsoft partners that have access to the source. If Linux had similar restrictions, 95% of kernel contributors would continue their work unimpeded.

thetrenchcoat: Plus it helps to know WIndows when you have to go fix your friend's computer


Oh, well, he probably doesn't have to worry about that.
 
2020-07-08 4:16:02 AM  

Truck Fump: Ketchuponsteak: Gubbo: WSL 2 and VS Code come to mind.

Doesn't Microsoft also contribute a bunch of Linux code these days because azure runs on it?

Windows runs Linux.

Windows Phone could launch Android apps for a while as well, that's the code they used to make Windows run Linux.

Windows phone?


No,

Windows Phone. With a large P.

Are you trying to be sarcastic by pretending to not having heard of it? That's getting kind of old.
 
2020-07-08 4:28:24 PM  

thetrenchcoat: Linux_Yes: thetrenchcoat: Meh, I dual boot on most of my machines. Screw the gatekeepers.

good idea

i used to, but since i'm not a gamer and could find everything in Linux that MS had, i eventually went Linux only.  Zero regrets.

You got me, I do a little gaming. But I also need windows for work. Plus it helps to know WIndows when you have to go fix your friend's computer :)


i have to use windows at work too, but only on a very limited bases.  vendor lockin is all the rage.
 
2020-07-08 4:43:25 PM  

drumhellar: Linux_Yes: the best part is that, since 2006, i've clicked on and been to every imaginable shiathole on the internet and have yet to be infected with a virus/spyware, etc. i don't run any type of antivirus and my only firewall is my Asus router which also runs Linux.

Security Through Obscurity doesn't mean you're more secure, it just means people are less likely to make drive-by malware attacks for <3% of visitors.

Linux_Yes: prior to 2006 i was windows only. mostly XP, and i spent quite a bit of time keeping my desktop clean/secure. it was alot of work/time to say the least. defragging, getting programs to play nice together, etc. scan disk, etc etc. it tires me thinking about it.

And today, with Linux, you spend a lot of time configuring it to work with your hardware, reconfiguring when somebody decides that hardware configurations should work different, reconfiguring it when somebody decides the old init system isn't good enough, reconfiguring when somebody else decides the init system should also have a dozen other features built in and now the old way isn't supported, a bunch of time waiting for your particular distribution to update that specific piece of software you use to the latest version, or else a lot of time building it yourself. Or time switching distributions because you don't like the direction your current one is going. Good luck getting software to work together - you want the latest Firefox but not the latest GIMP? Sorry. They are linked against  different versions of libjpeg-turbo, and the two can't co-exist together. And GCC once again changed the object format in C++ software, so now you have to rebuild all your hand-built C++ software after an upgrade.

Linux_Yes: Linux bows to the User. the User is in charge.

No. The distribution maintainer is in charge, for 90% of Linux users.

Linux_Yes: only Microsoft coders can read their source code.

And the many many Microsoft partners that have access to the source. If Linux had similar restr ...


don't know what you're talking about. reconfiguring??

the only time i've had any issues is using recently released hardware.  the Linux kernel doesn't have the drivers sometimes for recent hardware.

i put together a ASRock Deskmini A300 (the size of an ATX power supply) to use as a HTPC and i had some issues with the graphics drivers/stack in my AMD 3400G APU. (GPU and CPU on same chip)

being the lazy fuk i am i just installed a different distro of Linux that is known for having the latest kernels, graphics stack, etc. (Manjaro Linux)

that fixed the problem.  different distros have different strengths.  if you have new, recently released hardware, Manjaro is a good choice.   that is the only time in many years i've gone to a different distro to fix any issues. sure i could play with it and figure out how to fix it, but i don't have the time.  Linux just works whenever i do an upgrade or new install.

i don't build from source, but i have the choice to.  with MS you don't have many choices.  its all about the User with open source software.

the open source way to develop software is superior to the old proprietary way.  that is why Linux and FOSS are growing by leaps and bounds everywhere except the desktop
for obvious reasons.

but even Dell, System 76 and several other companies are expanding their offerings with Linux only as the default OS.

and MS, well they claim to Love Linux now.  they aren't claiming that because of their choice.  they claim it because they have no choice: either they change with the times or they fade away.

Linux and Open Source Software is the Future. and MS knows that.
 
2020-07-08 4:47:48 PM  

drumhellar: Linux_Yes: the best part is that, since 2006, i've clicked on and been to every imaginable shiathole on the internet and have yet to be infected with a virus/spyware, etc. i don't run any type of antivirus and my only firewall is my Asus router which also runs Linux.

Security Through Obscurity doesn't mean you're more secure, it just means people are less likely to make drive-by malware attacks for <3% of visitors.

Linux_Yes: prior to 2006 i was windows only. mostly XP, and i spent quite a bit of time keeping my desktop clean/secure. it was alot of work/time to say the least. defragging, getting programs to play nice together, etc. scan disk, etc etc. it tires me thinking about it.

And today, with Linux, you spend a lot of time configuring it to work with your hardware, reconfiguring when somebody decides that hardware configurations should work different, reconfiguring it when somebody decides the old init system isn't good enough, reconfiguring when somebody else decides the init system should also have a dozen other features built in and now the old way isn't supported, a bunch of time waiting for your particular distribution to update that specific piece of software you use to the latest version, or else a lot of time building it yourself. Or time switching distributions because you don't like the direction your current one is going. Good luck getting software to work together - you want the latest Firefox but not the latest GIMP? Sorry. They are linked against  different versions of libjpeg-turbo, and the two can't co-exist together. And GCC once again changed the object format in C++ software, so now you have to rebuild all your hand-built C++ software after an upgrade.

Linux_Yes: Linux bows to the User. the User is in charge.

No. The distribution maintainer is in charge, for 90% of Linux users.

Linux_Yes: only Microsoft coders can read their source code.

And the many many Microsoft partners that have access to the source. If Linux had similar restr ...



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