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2020-07-07 1:01:09 PM  
FBI: "We got him sir!"
Trump: "You got the leakers?"
FBI:  "No sir, we got the one guy who isn't leaking anything"
 
2020-07-07 1:04:46 PM  
So I guess there's such a thing as legal spying?
 
2020-07-07 1:50:18 PM  
Cross reference with Ivanka to shorten list.

Enhance.
 
2020-07-07 6:46:43 PM  
Guess the Chinese figure that something might change in the US relatively soon...
 
2020-07-07 7:20:45 PM  
China and India are currently doing enough to fark each other over on their own. We should simply step back and pop some corn while that shiat plays out instead of kicking the hornets nest ourselves.
 
2020-07-07 7:24:39 PM  
Almost half are Chinese,
And nearly half are Russian assholes or Americans who've taken large money to sow chaos
What's left over is, like,  Israel, Saudi, England , France, maybe Moldova
 
2020-07-07 7:25:26 PM  

hubiestubert: Guess the Chinese figure that something might change in the US relatively soon...


the US GOV (note: not Trump admin officials, the actual civil service grunts) appear to be cracking down hard on Chinese espionage, both in industry and at universities. Which is, frankly, long overdue. We've had a massive espionage problem from universities and industry to the CCP for years now and we've just never bothered to tackle it, likely because it would upset the corporate bottom line.

Maybe they finally realized the error of Nixon's ways and we're going to start making China the pariah state it should be.
 
2020-07-07 7:26:20 PM  
Bang that drum, rattle that saber!
 
2020-07-07 7:28:12 PM  
I agree China deserves a lot of our resources, but once the puppet is gone we need to seriously go after Russian mob elements in our country. I'd be cool with extrajudicial measures.
 
2020-07-07 7:30:39 PM  

vudukungfu: Cross reference with Ivanka to shorten list.

Enhance.


As ordered
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2020-07-07 7:31:18 PM  
China's spying and attempts to steal U.S. technology are "the greatest long-term threat" to America's economic vitality. We must give ourselves to Putin. It is the only way to save our friends, Wray said.
 
2020-07-07 7:34:32 PM  
I don't even know enough about China to make unique disparaging jokes, they conceal themselves.

Putin got my attention long before the 2016 election by willfully transforming himself into a pop culture meme and promoting the gopnik subculture, his own personal brand of punk.

Xi's human body recycling centers scare me. They're worth disparaging but that's just so damn dark, it doesn't lend itself to joke making the way tracksuits and vodka do.

What to do? Draw Winnie the Pooh vivisecting the little creatures of the hundred acre woods?
 
2020-07-07 7:35:18 PM  

OhioUGrad: vudukungfu: Cross reference with Ivanka to shorten list.

Enhance.

As ordered
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Check tire pressure
 
2020-07-07 7:35:55 PM  

DrD'isInfotainment: Almost half are Chinese,
And nearly half are Russian assholes or Americans who've taken large money to sow chaos
What's left over is, like,  Israel, Saudi, England , France, maybe Moldova



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2020-07-07 7:36:09 PM  
So Trump got rolled by the B-players. That fits.
 
2020-07-07 7:36:34 PM  
I'm glad the FBI is paying attention and opening these cases.
 
2020-07-07 7:38:42 PM  

Purple_Urkle: I don't even know enough about China to make unique disparaging jokes, they conceal themselves.

Putin got my attention long before the 2016 election by willfully transforming himself into a pop culture meme and promoting the gopnik subculture, his own personal brand of punk.

Xi's human body recycling centers scare me. They're worth disparaging but that's just so damn dark, it doesn't lend itself to joke making the way tracksuits and vodka do.

What to do? Draw Winnie the Pooh vivisecting the little creatures of the hundred acre woods?


China lies. About everything. At all levels. If everyone says everything is hunky dory, and  you do not, you are the problem. You will suffer.
 
2020-07-07 7:40:07 PM  

DrD'isInfotainment: OhioUGrad: vudukungfu: Cross reference with Ivanka to shorten list.

Enhance.

As ordered
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Check tire pressure


Turkeys are done.
 
2020-07-07 7:40:44 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: So I guess there's such a thing as legal spying?


The trick is not to end up with a restraining order.  I mean, from what someone once told me.
 
2020-07-07 7:43:52 PM  
Is the other half Israel?
 
2020-07-07 7:47:58 PM  

OhioUGrad: vudukungfu: Cross reference with Ivanka to shorten list.

Enhance.

As ordered
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I mean the titties are very nice, but God damn does she look like her dad in that pic ewwwwww
 
2020-07-07 7:48:25 PM  
Isn't this something more along the CIA's lane of operation?.
 
2020-07-07 7:50:06 PM  

fragMasterFlash: China and India are currently doing enough to fark each other over on their own. We should simply step back and pop some corn while that shiat plays out instead of kicking the hornets nest ourselves.


Counter-intel as a response to spying is not kicking a hornet's nest. It is swatting the ones that sneak into one's house.
 
2020-07-07 7:51:28 PM  
Chinese technology "espionage" is overstated. American companies are more likely to give it away because innovative technology is so underfunded in the US that R&D capital is more likely to come from China and Chinese investors than from US investors. Chinese investors expect operations to be in China just as much as in the US so technology is transferred as part of the deal. Same thing with University professors who are so underfunded by grants and support that they run to China who freely offer money, perks, and support as long as they conduct some research in China. No need to spy when you can buy it out in the open.

In contrast, rich people in the US rather gamble on financial instruments dreamed up by the big banks than take risk on real technology. VCs have abandoned high technology and is more likely to fund SaaS startups, inane media apps, or completely ignore small startups and invest in overblown late-stage startups that are over-funded and under-performing (cough UberWeWorkMagicLeap cough)  . Small business grants, seed money, and other support from the federal government or other entities are small and close to impossible to get (3% -5% of companies actually get grants) so what's a startup/small business/growing company to do? Go to where the money is: China. Of course, that comes with strings attached.
 
2020-07-07 7:57:13 PM  

Bluenosed Baker: Purple_Urkle: I don't even know enough about China to make unique disparaging jokes, they conceal themselves.

Putin got my attention long before the 2016 election by willfully transforming himself into a pop culture meme and promoting the gopnik subculture, his own personal brand of punk.

Xi's human body recycling centers scare me. They're worth disparaging but that's just so damn dark, it doesn't lend itself to joke making the way tracksuits and vodka do.

What to do? Draw Winnie the Pooh vivisecting the little creatures of the hundred acre woods?

China lies. About everything. At all levels. If everyone says everything is hunky dory, and  you do not, you are the problem. You will suffer.


I don't like China. I'm not on board with them. They're being so awful, it hard for me to have a good time while dunking on them. Perhaps I ought to go back to disqus, the Russian trolls were rather obvious there. If I learned more about them, I could joke better. Fark has good moderation, I haven't seen Chinese trolls here.

Dunking on Putin is fun. Xi's body farms are mindfarkingly creepy.

Overall though, I'm thankful the FBI is paying attention.

I don't even know why China is after America aside from our distaste and disapproval of the illegal body farms. If they threw everything into bioprinting 3D printing organs, there's no need to recycle dissidents.

Russia has all the goodies for building high technology, they just don't realize what they have.

/China, go play with Russia, America is home sick and the FBI is after you. We're more trouble than it's worth.
//If China enabled dissent, they'd be able to invent their own technology
 
2020-07-07 7:59:49 PM  

TotallyHeadless: Chinese technology "espionage" is overstated.


I can't speak to any of that,but they went after the PII of every single federal government employee via OPM.

Got it, too.
 
2020-07-07 8:06:24 PM  
But it Chinese, after you open one investigation, you want to open another one in an hour.
 
2020-07-07 8:06:34 PM  

OhioUGrad: vudukungfu: Cross reference with Ivanka to shorten list.

Enhance.

As ordered
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2020-07-07 8:16:57 PM  

Smackledorfer: TotallyHeadless: Chinese technology "espionage" is overstated.

I can't speak to any of that,but they went after the PII of every single federal government employee via OPM.

Got it, too.


From that perspective I don't dispute. China will no doubt try direct phishing and other techniques to gather info. I was speaking more about China corporate espionage and technology stealing which there is a bunch, but not to the magnitude of US companies willingly giving technology and trade secrets away for investment money/market access/cheaper manufacturing/etc. Same with R&D -- there is much more appetite for hardware startups, pharma, and other high-risk ventures from Chinese investors than American investors.
 
2020-07-07 8:20:16 PM  

WDFark think for a second: Isn't this something more along the CIA's lane of operation?.


Nope, FBI does domestic counterintelligence, that's also coincidentally why they were mostly the ones who provided information mentioned in the Mueller Report. And why Stan was an FBI agent in The Americans.

As far as the article goes, Covid isn't the only threat that Trump is ignoring because it challenges his narcissistic self image.
 
2020-07-07 8:26:47 PM  

somedude210: hubiestubert: Guess the Chinese figure that something might change in the US relatively soon...

the US GOV (note: not Trump admin officials, the actual civil service grunts) appear to be cracking down hard on Chinese espionage, both in industry and at universities. Which is, frankly, long overdue. We've had a massive espionage problem from universities and industry to the CCP for years now and we've just never bothered to tackle it, likely because it would upset the corporate bottom line.

Maybe they finally realized the error of Nixon's ways and we're going to start making China the pariah state it should be.


China is modern day nazi germany, harvesting organs from prisonners, putting people in concentration camps, murdering and diseappearing pro-democracy citizen ,threatening their neighbors with armed conflicts, buying countries by buying their politicians (like africa)... or controlling them with trade... (like australia and new zealand), stealing tech worldwide while nobody does nothing because money.

China/Russia and their puppets need to be bare minimum out of power and a bunch of them need to hang.
 
2020-07-07 8:41:24 PM  

TotallyHeadless: Chinese technology "espionage" is overstated. American companies are more likely to give it away because innovative technology is so underfunded in the US that R&D capital is more likely to come from China and Chinese investors than from US investors. Chinese investors expect operations to be in China just as much as in the US so technology is transferred as part of the deal. Same thing with University professors who are so underfunded by grants and support that they run to China who freely offer money, perks, and support as long as they conduct some research in China. No need to spy when you can buy it out in the open.

In contrast, rich people in the US rather gamble on financial instruments dreamed up by the big banks than take risk on real technology. VCs have abandoned high technology and is more likely to fund SaaS startups, inane media apps, or completely ignore small startups and invest in overblown late-stage startups that are over-funded and under-performing (cough UberWeWorkMagicLeap cough)  . Small business grants, seed money, and other support from the federal government or other entities are small and close to impossible to get (3% -5% of companies actually get grants) so what's a startup/small business/growing company to do? Go to where the money is: China. Of course, that comes with strings attached.


Why does anyone need to spy when actual top class scientists are paid triple the salary in China.

It's just easy to convince the masses in the US that were the best at everything still so spying must be the reason we're not making any scientific advancements.

It's pointless though Cold War 2.0 is here and America embraced it with open glee. All the pro war jingoistic flag waving paid anthem singing nonsense that led to this worked.
 
2020-07-07 8:51:57 PM  
"...China is working to compromise American health care organizations, pharmaceutical companies and academic institutions..."

LMAO
 
2020-07-07 9:11:26 PM  

numinous: TotallyHeadless: Chinese technology "espionage" is overstated. American companies are more likely to give it away because innovative technology is so underfunded in the US that R&D capital is more likely to come from China and Chinese investors than from US investors. Chinese investors expect operations to be in China just as much as in the US so technology is transferred as part of the deal. Same thing with University professors who are so underfunded by grants and support that they run to China who freely offer money, perks, and support as long as they conduct some research in China. No need to spy when you can buy it out in the open.

In contrast, rich people in the US rather gamble on financial instruments dreamed up by the big banks than take risk on real technology. VCs have abandoned high technology and is more likely to fund SaaS startups, inane media apps, or completely ignore small startups and invest in overblown late-stage startups that are over-funded and under-performing (cough UberWeWorkMagicLeap cough)  . Small business grants, seed money, and other support from the federal government or other entities are small and close to impossible to get (3% -5% of companies actually get grants) so what's a startup/small business/growing company to do? Go to where the money is: China. Of course, that comes with strings attached.

Why does anyone need to spy when actual top class scientists are paid triple the salary in China.

It's just easy to convince the masses in the US that were the best at everything still so spying must be the reason we're not making any scientific advancements.

It's pointless though Cold War 2.0 is here and America embraced it with open glee. All the pro war jingoistic flag waving paid anthem singing nonsense that led to this worked.


Well, maybe we should try some tariffs then.

///ducks
 
2020-07-07 9:23:30 PM  
CSB/
I used to work in pharma.  One day one of my colleagues, a communist Chinese fellow, asked me to attend a meeting with a potential vendor who was hawking a new line of chromatographic columns (tl/dr; a widget for separating complex mixtures).

Now, one of the major players in this field is...well, let's just say company X, where by amazing coincidence, this potential vendor used to work before leaving to start his own company in China.

He showed us some examples of these columns, as well as their technical specifications, which, believe it or not-were identical to those from Company X.
Not similar. Identical.

My coworker was all gung-ho to do business with this guy; after all, his columns were 30% cheaper (including his kickback, no doubt), but It was obvious to everyone in the room who were not here on a visa from mainland China that this guy had ripped-off proprietary technology, and it was clear that my co-worker thought that was the cat's ass.

/CSB
 
2020-07-07 9:23:58 PM  
It was my understanding from the Flynn case that counterintelligence isn't a valid reason for the FBI to do anything.
 
2020-07-07 9:34:04 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: So I guess there's such a thing as legal spying?


yeah, it's called getting a warrant for a wiretap/intercept.
 
2020-07-07 9:35:42 PM  
I am the owl.
 
2020-07-07 9:37:59 PM  

bizzwire: CSB/
I used to work in pharma.  One day one of my colleagues, a communist Chinese fellow, asked me to attend a meeting with a potential vendor who was hawking a new line of chromatographic columns (tl/dr; a widget for separating complex mixtures).

Now, one of the major players in this field is...well, let's just say company X, where by amazing coincidence, this potential vendor used to work before leaving to start his own company in China.

He showed us some examples of these columns, as well as their technical specifications, which, believe it or not-were identical to those from Company X.
Not similar. Identical.

My coworker was all gung-ho to do business with this guy; after all, his columns were 30% cheaper (including his kickback, no doubt), but It was obvious to everyone in the room who were not here on a visa from mainland China that this guy had ripped-off proprietary technology, and it was clear that my co-worker thought that was the cat's ass.

/CSB


It's communist China. No individual can own an idea or technology, the people own it, so they have every right to make the same stuff only cheaper. :P
 
2020-07-07 9:42:26 PM  

Bluenosed Baker: Purple_Urkle: I don't even know enough about China to make unique disparaging jokes, they conceal themselves.

Putin got my attention long before the 2016 election by willfully transforming himself into a pop culture meme and promoting the gopnik subculture, his own personal brand of punk.

Xi's human body recycling centers scare me. They're worth disparaging but that's just so damn dark, it doesn't lend itself to joke making the way tracksuits and vodka do.

What to do? Draw Winnie the Pooh vivisecting the little creatures of the hundred acre woods?

China lies. About everything. At all levels. If everyone says everything is hunky dory, and  you do not, you are the problem. You will suffer.


I used to travel to HK and Shenzhen for work in manufacturing ops. Turn your back and they are substituting materials. If the contract says qty +-5%, you can count on every shipment being EXACTLY under by 5%.  Then they blame it on different gravity factors between the US and China, even though counting scales would agree between Jupiter and the Moon. When you run product there they oftentimes run extra and flat out give it to Chinese trade groups to sell in the USA. I was told by a Col. at a factory that America lacks the technical know-how to do our own manufacturing so they have to do it for us. That we never went to the moon and, my personal favorite, that while China has many chicken dishes we have only fried chicken in the USA. The only place in the world that is more dishonest is India.
 
2020-07-07 9:48:41 PM  

Purple_Urkle: there's no need to recycle dissidents


But we still can, though, right?

You could probably make a semi-interesting harvested organ ghost story where it's not just one ghost, it's tons of dissidents and they're infesting a bunch of unhealthy government officials. Play it for laughs at first and then just get creepier.
 
2020-07-07 10:17:24 PM  

Purple_Urkle: there's no need to recycle dissidents.


Considering that China's government is a a brutal authoritarian regime under a thin veneer of centrally managed civilization and progress, the "need" is to scare the shiat out of anyone who might actually try to do something to change that. It's kind of like solving homelessness and hunger by feeding the hungry people the homeless people. Two birds with one farked up stone and all.
 
2020-07-08 12:43:38 AM  
Recycling dissidents for spare parts is a weakness and a crime against humanity.

Seriously, Dr. Anthony Atala is working on printable human kidneys. It's possible. The resolution will exist soon.

It's possible, once the necessary organs are in production, to design recreational organs for implant too.

Only assholes kill dissidents.
 
2020-07-08 1:44:31 AM  

fragMasterFlash: China and India are currently doing enough to fark each other over on their own. We should simply step back and pop some corn while that shiat plays out instead of kicking the hornets nest ourselves.


Fark. That. Noise.

Modi is a pos but India is our ally. I realize here in the farked-up 'MURICA FIRST future these concepts are maybe a little diluted but you know what the United States doesn't do? We don't sit back on our fat ass and let our main adversary fark our allies over, hoping that we will come out on top.

We don't do this because we're altruistic or because we live for naan and tikka masala and Disha Patani (although those would be decent reasons). We do it because it keeps us safer and stronger than if we don't. And also because the outcome of an India v China match is not in doubt; the PRC will only emerge significantly stronger and with completely unchallenged power in Asia. So, no. India is the world's largest democracy and the ties between our two nations run deeper than you may suppose. We had better kick that hornet's nest. It is maybe our last chance to retain the belt. 

Of course, I'm not holding my breath.
 
2020-07-08 9:24:01 AM  

KiefKommando: OhioUGrad: vudukungfu: Cross reference with Ivanka to shorten list.

Enhance.

As ordered
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I mean the titties are very nice, but God damn does she look like her dad in that pic ewwwwww


She has a face?
 
2020-07-08 12:46:13 PM  
Not sure what's left for China to do to us that we haven't already done to ourselves. I know they engage in corporate espionage (ie, stealing information), but other than that, not seeing what they can do at this point other than sit back and enjoy the United States being the biggest clusterfark on earth now.

Followed closely by Brazil, apparently.

If there's anyone who enjoys our current problem more than Putin, it's surely the Chinese PM (or whatever his title is). And they didn't have to do anything.
 
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