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(Reuters)   In what is SURELY pure coincidence, Dallas megachurch that hosted Mike Pence approved for millions in pandemic aid   (reuters.com) divider line
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2020-07-07 12:28:38 PM  
Why do churches get government loans?  Don't we have some sort of separation between between church and state?
 
2020-07-07 12:35:33 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Why do churches get government loans?  Don't we have some sort of separation between between church and state?


Churches can apply for grants and aid for non-religious purposes, like any other non-profit.
 
2020-07-07 12:39:47 PM  

phalamir: Marcus Aurelius: Why do churches get government loans?  Don't we have some sort of separation between between church and state?

Churches can apply for grants and aid for non-religious purposes, like any other non-profit.


As an example, if the state or federal government were offering grants to elementary schools to buy teaching materials for US government classes, a Catholic school could apply for and get money from that grant, same as any other school.
 
2020-07-07 2:48:37 PM  
 There is nothing in this article that doesn't piss me off.
 
2020-07-07 3:20:41 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Why do churches get government loans?  Don't we have some sort of separation between between church and state?


Per Ted Cruz' dad and many other conservatives, it's supposed to be a "one-way wall," whatever that is. The best I can visualize is a ramp or a cliff, which isn't what you'd normally call a "wall," but if that's what Jefferson meant, then I guess we have to trust him.

Of course, when they say that them mean that church is supposed to affect government, not the other way around. Money from government going to the church is going the other way. So, would that be a two-way wall? No, because a two-way wall would be a regular wall again. Instead, we need a wall that lets money flow in and influence flow out, but not in the other direction.

So, I guess that would be two one-way walls, one for influence going out and one for money coming in. Except, if you have two walls, then what's between them? Can you just walk between the two walls separating Church from State? Or if the two walls are connected but there's no wall in-between the one-way money wall and the one-way influence wall, then you could just move some influence into the money pipeline and still have influence come in from the State and get to the Church, or you could even have money leak out of the church into the state.

(This would be much easier if in his letter to the Danbury Baptists Jefferson hadn't said "a wall of separation" he had used a metaphor of "a fluid system with check valves.")

What I guess I'm saying is that as good Americans, we have to have faith that when the Founders discuss "a wall of separation between church and state," they really mean a that "the Church should plumbed so that unaccountable state dollars flow in but can't flow back out, and the sewage system of hyperbolic religious influence flows into the state and the state can do fark-all about it, including not sending money to the church, because that would be influence, which isn't allowed."

I hope that makes things clearer.
 
2020-07-07 3:55:20 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Why do churches get government loans?  Don't we have some sort of separation between between church and state?


Nope, not since the SCOTUS ruled that states have to fund religious indoctrination centers private schools.
 
2020-07-07 3:55:30 PM  
The GOP's "pandemic aid" program was just another ploy to take public taxpayer dollars and put them in the pockets of the already-obscenely-rich.

America doesn't have the political will to hold them accountable, so expect this to continue until we get serious about guillotines.
 
2020-07-07 3:55:46 PM  
At least they all now recognize that churches are businesses
 
2020-07-07 3:59:28 PM  
Why can't they just as god to magic some money into existence? Are they sure they're praying to the right one?
 
2020-07-07 3:59:33 PM  
You know I do think it's actually a coincidence. I feel like the mega church would have gotten the money even if they didn't have Pense there because that was the grift. Greedy, people with business got the money regardless of the affiliation to the president.
 
2020-07-07 3:59:41 PM  
No surprise that christian churches leach off of the taxpayer.  After all, they don't pay taxes.

Hey, christians!  Tell me how you are persecuted, you f*cking liars.
 
2020-07-07 4:02:26 PM  
Any entity should not be able to get these kinds of loans/grants if the people running them are worth over a certain amount.  Like Kanye.  Kanye can just pay those expenses out of his pocket.  Robert Jeffress, this church's pastor, is worth roughly $17m right now.  Make him pay for this shiat.
 
2020-07-07 4:03:15 PM  
Cool, make them make their financial records 100% open the public and introduce a method of taxation since I'm sure Jesus LLC isn't donating all their money to causes outside the church.
 
2020-07-07 4:03:51 PM  

bluejeansonfire: The GOP's "pandemic aid" program was just another ploy to take public taxpayer dollars and put them in the pockets of the already-obscenely-rich.

America doesn't have the political will to hold them accountable, so expect this to continue until we get serious about guillotines.


The "fiscally responsible" GOP sure were quick to start shoveling trillions of unaccountable dollars out the Treasury door as soon as they realized they could give it to anybody without any kind of backlash and claim it was for people and businesses in trouble from COVID.
 
2020-07-07 4:05:14 PM  

phalamir: Marcus Aurelius: Why do churches get government loans?  Don't we have some sort of separation between between church and state?

Churches can apply for grants and aid for non-religious purposes, like any other non-profit.


A small business loan isn't a grant to nonprofits.
 
2020-07-07 4:05:43 PM  
Pence totally boofed all the male deacons.

Or they boofed him.

Yeah he's totally a bottom.

Trump and Pence host lubed-up Diaper parties with Lady Graham.
 
2020-07-07 4:06:44 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Why do churches get government loans?  Don't we have some sort of separation between between church and state?


Ask your former employer Tucker Max what loopholes he took advantage of.
 
2020-07-07 4:06:58 PM  
Someone's not happy about this.....
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2020-07-07 4:09:08 PM  

Ray_Finkle: You know I do think it's actually a coincidence. I feel like the mega church would have gotten the money even if they didn't have Pense there because that was the grift. Greedy, people with business got the money regardless of the affiliation to the president.


It's not coincidence, but you may be right in the sense that causality is reversed.

They're not getting the grift because they associate with Trump/Pence; they associate with Trump/Pence because they're all grifters.
 
2020-07-07 4:10:41 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Why do churches get government loans?  Don't we have some sort of separation between between church and state?


my FIRST knee jerk reation- I would love to see if any Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim, or Jewish religious organizations recieved ANYTHING... Did the US government gove any Atheist Advocacy groups a $?

Did the Satanic church recieve a dime?

Or is the US govt admitting we are a Christian state, and are heading towards theocratic tendencies?
 
2020-07-07 4:10:45 PM  
Just a big old fashioned slush fund.
 
2020-07-07 4:12:05 PM  

Porkbelly: Just a big old fashioned slush fund.


there is a LOT of pork in these Bill's amd rulings... you got an appropriate username, my friend
 
2020-07-07 4:14:06 PM  
Word on the street is no need to donate to Texas Southern Baptist charities, they get government money all they need.
 
2020-07-07 4:42:03 PM  
WTF service does a single church do that justifies that much money in federal aid??? Do they employ that many people???
 
2020-07-07 4:49:52 PM  
First Dallas Baptist owns about 12-15% of Downtown Dallas (not including other properties they own)... Robert Jeffries estimated networth in $17 million dollars...the church has a listed membership of 12K, and they have worship services in a $13 million dollar auditorium that seats 4K people....and aside from property taxes, they don't pay taxes...nor do they minister to the poor and the homeless....
but sure...lets give THEM millions of dollars of tax payer funder "forgiveable loans".
 
2020-07-07 5:15:00 PM  

fearmongert: Porkbelly: Just a big old fashioned slush fund.

there is a LOT of pork in these Bill's amd rulings... you got an appropriate username, my friend


On Tuesdays in the Chatalogical Humor column on the Washington Post that is hosted by Gene Weingarten I asked the following question:

Q: Oh the gall, er, Galt

The Rand Institute got a loan from the evil government - have they no shame? But it's ok, churches apparently got $10 BILLION, but not to worry, they'll pay it back with the taxes they . . . oppsies on me. Guess Pat Mahomes doesn't need any loan money. Are we having fun yet?

A: Gene Weingarten
This story, about who the Trump admin gave money to, is huge and I believe it has legs.   Elaine Chao's family?  Grover Norquist?  Ayn Rand institute?  Devin Nunes winery?  Trump lawyers? Corrupt, corrupt, corrupt.
 
2020-07-07 5:18:40 PM  

phalamir: Marcus Aurelius: Why do churches get government loans?  Don't we have some sort of separation between between church and state?

Churches can apply for grants and aid for non-religious purposes, like any other non-profit.


And I can promise you that every penny they get will be used to proselytize the living sh*t with.
 
2020-07-07 5:29:06 PM  
And here he is on Jim Bakkers show telling people to vote for Trump
Robert Jeffress urges Christians to vote for Trump by learning the lessons from ... Nazi Germany.

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2020-07-07 5:51:10 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: WTF service does a single church do that justifies that much money in federal aid??? Do they employ that many people???


Probably. The church complex itself is huge. The parking garage (there may be more than one, I can't remember) is similarly very large. The "Worship Center" looks like a goddam stadium. It's not quite as large as one, but it is big. So I have no doubt many people work there. It's an industry unto itself.
 
2020-07-07 6:39:28 PM  
Very simple explanation.
He just handed his application to him while he was visiting.
Took it back to work when he returned to DC. Went in company mail, thereby saving the normal time of having to go to the post office, buy a stamp, lick the envelope, put it in the mailbox...
Prolly just got there 3 days earlier.

Nothing to see here. Move along.
why do you guys always think everything is a conspiracy..?
 
2020-07-07 6:40:10 PM  

phalamir: Churches can apply for grants and aid for non-religious purposes, like any other non-profit.


If religious establishments are entitled to the same public benefits that secular non-profits are entitled to, then religious establishments should held the same reporting requirements, demonstrating that they actually perform qualified charitable work.

Except unlike secular charities, religious establishments are exempt from proving that they perform useful public services in exchange for their uniquely beneficial tax status.

But assuming that a religious establishment DOES perform some socially useful charitable work out of a religious obligation, why should they be entitled to a tax benefit for fulfilling their religious duties? Christian religious establishments shouldn't even WANT these tax benefits, since Jesus specifically explained that if you do some charitable act for a secular benefit, you've gotten all the reward you're going to get.

You either get a secular reward or a heavenly one. No double-dipping, Christians!
 
2020-07-07 7:29:22 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Bennie Crabtree: WTF service does a single church do that justifies that much money in federal aid??? Do they employ that many people???

Probably. The church complex itself is huge. The parking garage (there may be more than one, I can't remember) is similarly very large. The "Worship Center" looks like a goddam stadium. It's not quite as large as one, but it is big. So I have no doubt many people work there. It's an industry unto itself.


"For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.  Where 80,000 standing room only are gathered in my name, there also am I, but you won't see me because there are too many daddamn people!"  --Matthew 18:20
 
2020-07-08 7:24:06 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Why do churches get government loans?  Don't we have some sort of separation between between church and state?



its because they don't pay taxes.  all part of the grift.
 
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