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2020-07-07 12:31:04 PM  
Nobody wants a Town Car any more, and the Continental is dated.
 
2020-07-07 12:52:34 PM  
 
2020-07-07 1:29:48 PM  
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2020-07-07 2:53:41 PM  
Conservatives and their labels. They want to claim Lincoln but don't want to be Lincoln.
 
2020-07-07 3:00:26 PM  

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Well considering how he died, that one might not need a touchup.
 
2020-07-07 3:11:58 PM  
Republicans:  Democrats were on the side of the Confederacy, and they were in the Klan.
Democrats:  OK, let's tear down monuments to the Confederacy and to Klansmen.
Republicans:  Nooooooo!
 
2020-07-07 3:12:16 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Nobody wants a Town Car any more, and the Continental is dated.


It's sad what Antifa did to the Coupe deVille.
 
2020-07-07 3:14:31 PM  
So since the boy who cried socialism strategy isn't working so well anymore, they are going to try the boy who cried cancel culture?
 
2020-07-07 3:15:03 PM  
"He evoked Lincoln. Anytime they want to get us in trouble, they always use Lincoln."
 
2020-07-07 3:15:05 PM  
I know how to spell Lincoln!

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2020-07-07 3:15:37 PM  
How do you debate something that stupid?
 
2020-07-07 3:16:00 PM  
Well that was a long and rambling straw man argument.
 
2020-07-07 3:18:38 PM  

Yakk: How do you debate something that stupid?


You don't. If the argument is false on its face and provides no examples or supporting documentation, you simply dismiss it.

Not everything everybody says needs to be refuted with complex rhetoric. This isn't a formal debate. If somebody says something stupid with no evidence to support their claim, just say it was stupid and then move on. Nobody is owed an argument just because they spoke.
 
2020-07-07 3:19:28 PM  
I am so sick of the right making these outlandish sweeping generalities about what the left wants to take away from them as a means of culling outrage in their idiot base.

Unfortunately, their base is so god damned insulated in their little bubble, they eat that crap up.
 
2020-07-07 3:20:04 PM  
Well, THEY are trying to take away your 2nd amendment rights as well.
 
2020-07-07 3:20:46 PM  
Has the National Review apologized yet for THIS screed praising DeathSantis?
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner​/​where-does-ron-desantis-go-to-get-his-​apology/

They have contributed to killing hundreds of Floridians.
 
2020-07-07 3:22:58 PM  
First Pyramid and now Lincoln..
 
2020-07-07 3:23:33 PM  
Lincoln's main mistake was pardoning instead of executing every confederate officer.
 
2020-07-07 3:25:43 PM  

Sandelaphon: Lincoln's main mistake was pardoning instead of executing every confederate officer.


He wanted to save the nation. That move bought him some good will.
 
2020-07-07 3:27:36 PM  

Omnivorous: Has the National Review apologized yet for THIS screed praising DeathSantis?
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/​where-does-ron-desantis-go-to-get-his-​apology/

They have contributed to killing hundreds of Floridians.


Well Cuomo's still leading deSantis in the deaths department, by almost 10 to 1, but apparently callous Democrats want to sing his praises regardless.

Or maybe the picture is a little more complicated.  My experiences in Florida have made me understand why there is a Florida tag.
 
2020-07-07 3:29:05 PM  

Destructor: Sandelaphon: Lincoln's main mistake was pardoning instead of executing every confederate officer.

He wanted to save the nation. That move bought him some good will.


Not enough to keep him alive.

He should have burned it all down and given the southern states to the freed slaves to rebuild.
 
2020-07-07 3:29:48 PM  

skozlaw: Yakk: How do you debate something that stupid?

You don't. If the argument is false on its face and provides no examples or supporting documentation, you simply dismiss it.

Not everything everybody says needs to be refuted with complex rhetoric. This isn't a formal debate. If somebody says something stupid with no evidence to support their claim, just say it was stupid and then move on. Nobody is owed an argument just because they spoke.


But it needs addressed.  Liberals let republicans get away with setting the agenda too much as it is, and dismissing these things legitimizes this nonsense.
 
2020-07-07 3:30:28 PM  

Animatronik: Omnivorous: Has the National Review apologized yet for THIS screed praising DeathSantis?
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/​where-does-ron-desantis-go-to-get-his-​apology/

They have contributed to killing hundreds of Floridians.

Well Cuomo's still leading deSantis in the deaths department, by almost 10 to 1, but apparently callous Democrats want to sing his praises regardless.



One is going down, the other is going up.  You can't explain that.
 
2020-07-07 3:31:02 PM  

dracos31: Destructor: Sandelaphon: Lincoln's main mistake was pardoning instead of executing every confederate officer.

He wanted to save the nation. That move bought him some good will.

Not enough to keep him alive.

He should have burned it all down and given the southern states to the freed slaves to rebuild.


But Lincoln was no friend to the slaves.  The emancipation proclamation was done to screw over slave owners more than anything.  In that regard he was very much a modern republican.
 
2020-07-07 3:33:08 PM  

Sandelaphon: Lincoln's main mistake was pardoning instead of executing every confederate officer.


Executing them would have made them martyrs in the eyes of white Southerners.
 
2020-07-07 3:35:48 PM  

Dodo David: Sandelaphon: Lincoln's main mistake was pardoning instead of executing every confederate officer.

Executing them would have made them martyrs in the eyes of white Southerners.


As opposed to what they are today?
 
2020-07-07 3:36:27 PM  

Yakk: How do you debate something that stupid?


Point and laugh.
 
2020-07-07 3:36:35 PM  
Can you expand that to all of Nebraska?
 
2020-07-07 3:38:35 PM  

Skleenar: Animatronik: Omnivorous: Has the National Review apologized yet for THIS screed praising DeathSantis?
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/​where-does-ron-desantis-go-to-get-his-​apology/

They have contributed to killing hundreds of Floridians.

Well Cuomo's still leading deSantis in the deaths department, by almost 10 to 1, but apparently callous Democrats want to sing his praises regardless.


One is going down, the other is going up.  You can't explain that.


The death count in NY is going down? So you think Cuomo can resurrect the dead like Jesus?
 
2020-07-07 3:39:45 PM  

Dodo David: Sandelaphon: Lincoln's main mistake was pardoning instead of executing every confederate officer.

Executing them would have made them martyrs in the eyes of white Southerners.


They already are, it just would have removed a lot of the planners and organizers of the oppression that would follow the failure of reconstruction.
 
2020-07-07 3:39:49 PM  
You know who ELSE wanted to cancel Lincoln?

Neither the legacy of Lincoln nor the accumulated precedents of Republican history dictate that the party must smolder with antagonism toward the South or endorse any and every centralizing measure put before Congress under the rubric of "civil rights."  What liberal spokesmen like the Ripon Society seem to have in mind is a latter-day Reconstruction, a scourging of Dixie with whips and scorpions in which the national government, driven by zealous egalitarian Republicans, wages total war upon the prostrate South.  This is portrayed as the Republican heritage.

In fact, the Republican heritage is nothing like this.  Reconstructionist passions are not the legacy of Lincoln, or of the historic Republican ascendancy either.  They are to some extent the legacy of Thaddeus Stevens-although the 1964 civil-rights bill happened to go far outside the boundaries established by the Reconstruction amendments Stevens grudgingly accepted as sufficient medicine for Dixie.  The Stevens legacy was directly opposed to Lincoln's view and equally opposed to the policies upon which the long ascendency of the Republican Party was built.  To suggest that the heritage of the GOP or the memory of Lincoln mandates a Reconstructionist vendetta is provable error of the most obvious sort.

There is, to begin with, no evidence whatsoever that Lincoln favored a revanchist policy toward the South and the consensus of scholarly opinion is that, had he lived, he would have pursued the conciliatory line of his successor, Andrew Johnson.  He was not an abolitionist and signed the Emancipation Proclamation only under political stress.  As for Lincoln's views on the subject of civil right as currently construed, it is to be presumed there are few Republicans, liberal or conservative, who would endorse this particular legacy, since Lincoln was an out-and-out segregationist who advocated separation of the races and Negro colonization-a view more closely resembling South African apartheid than any one of several American variations on the them of attaining harmonious and just relations between the races.

The Reconstruction legacy itself was, as it happened, a rather short-lived business.  The modern Republican ascendancy is not dated from the postwar assault on the South, but from reconciliation with the South.  The Republican party in the Reconstruction era was, in fact, woefully weak, and national revulsion against Radical excesses contributed importantly to that weakness.  As Paul Buck observes, the Radicals' policy served to make the GOP "a sectional party only," which "operated to split asunder the fabric of national life."  This is, of course, precisely the stance which the latter-day Reconstructionists urge upon the Republican party now.

The result was not beneficial to the GOP.  In the 1868 election, the Democratic popular vote was only 300,000 short of the vote for Grant.  Had it not been for systematic suppression of Democratic votes in the South, Buck observes, "a Democrat, Seymour, would have beaten the Republican Grant three years after the latter had stood under the famous apple tree at Appomattox.  It was an alarming situation for Republicans.
How alarming was amply demonstrated by the elections of 1874, when the Democrats won majorities in both houses of Congress.  In the 1876 presidential election, Republican Hayes lost the popular vote to Democrat Tilden.  The Republican party's first president after Grant was elected, precisely, through rapprochement with the South.  Hayes came to office through the famous compromise whereby Federal troops were withdrawn from the remaining Reconstruction states in return for Democratic acquiescence in his election.  It was only after this healing of the postwar wounds that the party began to build itself toward authentic majority status.

The aftermath of this policy was eminently successful, and led to the repeated election of Republican presidents between 1876 and 1928.  During this span the GOP could claim no less than 10 of the nation's 12 presidents (9 elected in their own right), and lost elections only to the eccentric candidacies of Cleveland and Wilson.

M. Stanton Evans (who served as associate editor of National Review from 1960 to 1973)
"The Future of Conservatism," 1968
 
2020-07-07 3:41:31 PM  
Their political cartoons are, uhm, interesting to say the least.

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2020-07-07 3:41:57 PM  
Who's "they" this guy?
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2020-07-07 3:42:54 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Nobody wants a Town Car any more, and the Continental is dated.


But the Lincoln used to have suicide doors!

/never figured out why they were called that
 
2020-07-07 3:43:54 PM  
Lincoln was 'canceled' the moment the GOP  became the party of blue blooded industrialists and robber barons. . . .and completely destroyed when it took on the southern strategy.
 
2020-07-07 3:45:44 PM  
I'll never forgive Lincoln for wining the civil war.
 
2020-07-07 3:49:00 PM  
This compliments the New York Post article about "#CancelHamilton", the substance of which includes a link to an earlier New York Post article (an op-ed on "why aren't the liberals trying to cancel Hamilton"), some constructive feedback from somebody who liked the show over all (which got a positive response from Lin-Manuel Miranda), and the one person who did post a "cancel Hamilton" tweet, Michael Rappaport, who the next day did a podcast walking back that tweet called "why I was wrong about Hamilton".
 
2020-07-07 3:51:28 PM  
♩,♪  Boy you're gonna drive me to drinkin' if you don't stop talkin' 'bout Abraham Lincoln ♫ ♬
 
2020-07-07 3:55:32 PM  
Also from National Review:

Lincoln was the Caesar Lincoln claimed to be trying to prevent; and that the Caesarism we all need to fear is the contemporary [Civil Rights] movement, dedicated like Lincoln to egalitarian reforms sanctioned by mandates emanating from national majorities...

https://www.bradford-delong.com/2006/​0​5/national_review_1.html
 
2020-07-07 3:58:37 PM  
Oh yeah, it's the "leftists"  (right wingers, get a clue as what a leftist is btw) (dumbass)  it's the "leftists"  that are "cancelling"  Lincoln.

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2020-07-07 4:01:10 PM  
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2020-07-07 4:04:45 PM  
This is exactly the kind of thing that my right-wing brother-in-law likes to post on Facebook. He's the one who took 7 years full time in college before he admitted he was never actually accepted into a degree program and thus couldn't graduate.

These types of articles usually have similar characteristics:

1. They quote from a lot of other people, hoping the cachet (and vocabulary) of better writers will lend an air of respectability.
2. The articles meander aimlessly, failing to weave the text into a narrative that makes logical sense.
3. The premise is typically lost in a wall of text if the author even bothers to make one at all.
4. Main points aren't backed up by examples, or at best with a weak anecdote.
5. Staw men are their favorite target
6. There is no conclusion other than "they" or "them" are bad or scary or misguided.

The purpose of the article is that someone agrees the other side is bad, and that article has quotes from famous people and big words so the author must know what they're talking about.
 
2020-07-07 4:10:08 PM  

Animatronik: Skleenar: Animatronik: Omnivorous: Has the National Review apologized yet for THIS screed praising DeathSantis?
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/​where-does-ron-desantis-go-to-get-his-​apology/

They have contributed to killing hundreds of Floridians.

Well Cuomo's still leading deSantis in the deaths department, by almost 10 to 1, but apparently callous Democrats want to sing his praises regardless.


One is going down, the other is going up.  You can't explain that.

The death count in NY is going down? So you think Cuomo can resurrect the dead like Jesus?


OK fair point but anyone who thought I didn't mean a per capita rate is being intentionally obtuse.
 
2020-07-07 4:22:32 PM  
Who's "they"?
What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?
 
2020-07-07 4:22:53 PM  
The Republican party's first president after Grant was elected, precisely, through rapprochement with the South.

Talk about revisionist history.  But then, it's the National Review.  There ought to at least be an asterisk in there for the massive suppression of black voters.
 
2020-07-07 4:24:34 PM  

whidbey: Oh yeah, it's the "leftists"  (right wingers, get a clue as what a leftist is btw) (dumbass)  it's the "leftists"  that are "cancelling"  Lincoln.

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See also:

"The Despot Named Lincoln"

https://mises.org/library/despot-name​d​-lincoln
 
2020-07-07 4:29:08 PM  

40 degree day: Who's "they"?
What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?


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2020-07-07 4:32:22 PM  

HighOnCraic: whidbey: Oh yeah, it's the "leftists"  (right wingers, get a clue as what a leftist is btw) (dumbass)  it's the "leftists"  that are "cancelling"  Lincoln.

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See also:

"The Despot Named Lincoln"

https://mises.org/library/despot-named​-lincoln


"Slavery was already in sharp decline in the border states and the upper South generally, mostly for economic reasons ... there is evidence that there was growing political support within the border states for gradual, peaceful emancipation that would have ended slavery there. (p. 51)

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2020-07-07 4:33:34 PM  

Omnivorous: The Republican party's first president after Grant was elected, precisely, through rapprochement with the South.

Talk about revisionist history.  But then, it's the National Review.  There ought to at least be an asterisk in there for the massive suppression of black voters.


Oh, it's most certainly a disingenuous justification for chasing after the votes of segregationists, and rejection of the liberal Republicans (the Ripon Society) who pointed out that the Southern Strategy was a bad idea.   And you're right about the asterisk; lots of Republicans at the time expressed their contempt for Hayes's compromise.
 
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