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(Patheos)   While most Americans got a $1,200 stimulus, religious institutions received $10 billion   (friendlyatheist.patheos.com) divider line
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2020-07-07 9:11:31 AM  
I like the comparison, subby.  AMERICANS get $1200...religious non-person get 10 billion.
 
2020-07-07 9:14:01 AM  
But I thought Republicans didn't want federal money being spent on non-taxpayers
 
2020-07-07 9:14:06 AM  
That's OK, they'll give it back with all the taxes they pay... oh, wait
 
2020-07-07 9:35:40 AM  
The First Baptist Church of Dallas, run by MAGA cultist Pastor Robert Jeffress and which Mike Pence visited last week, received between $2 million and $5 million.

That farkwad somehow managed to scrape up $100,000,000 to build his new downtown Dallas mega worship palace, so you'd think his flock would come to the rescue during a brief time of need, right??
 
2020-07-07 9:38:36 AM  
That's because "most Americans" don't pour tons of money into RNC coffers.

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2020-07-07 9:47:11 AM  
Meanwhile I'm buying crap off eBay with my own money to try and broadcast a super light service for our congregation.  And I think I spend more time on it than the collective viewing time.
 
2020-07-07 10:03:10 AM  
Wow. If I was a US taxpayer I would be super pissed right now.
 
2020-07-07 10:05:51 AM  
I didn't get a $1200 check (._. )
 
2020-07-07 10:06:31 AM  
That is seriously farked up.

Why would any of them deserve any tax dollars?  They do not pay any.
 
2020-07-07 10:06:33 AM  
I'm not going to get super worked up about employers getting loans to cover payroll. That's the point of the PPP.

the church my wife works at received a PPP loan. It's the only reason she has been bringing home a paycheck for the past few months.
 
2020-07-07 10:07:08 AM  
What's the point of having a church if you can't take people's money and have sex with their kids?
 
2020-07-07 10:07:22 AM  
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2020-07-07 10:08:20 AM  

gnarlywizzard: I'm not going to get super worked up about employers getting loans to cover payroll. That's the point of the PPP.

the church my wife works at received a PPP loan. It's the only reason she has been bringing home a paycheck for the past few months.


Sorry, but I do not care, church groups should not be getting any government support. Pray for more money, I am sure G*d will provide.
 
2020-07-07 10:08:42 AM  
Good. We'll need this precedent to give out money for the construction of new mosques. Lots of those will have to be constructed once we reeducate the MAGA hats in the FEMA camps.
 
2020-07-07 10:08:55 AM  

Langdon_777: That is seriously farked up.

Why would any of them deserve any tax dollars?  They do not pay any.


Neither do any of the other non-profits that got the same relief.  The government didn't discriminate against the religious ones on that basis.
 
2020-07-07 10:10:11 AM  

Langdon_777: That is seriously farked up.

Why would any of them deserve any tax dollars?  They do not pay any.


The PPP loans go to payroll to cover employees. church employees pay payroll taxes like any other person out of their checks. Why shouldn't they be entitled to the same protections?
 
2020-07-07 10:11:12 AM  

Nabb1: Langdon_777: That is seriously farked up.

Why would any of them deserve any tax dollars?  They do not pay any.

Neither do any of the other non-profits that got the same relief.  The government didn't discriminate against the religious ones on that basis.


Helping non-profits is fine, helping religious non-profits on the other hand breaks a rule in that original document.
 
2020-07-07 10:11:55 AM  
Trump claims that China planted the virus.

Ten Billion? Follow the money.
 
2020-07-07 10:12:17 AM  

Langdon_777: Nabb1: Langdon_777: That is seriously farked up.

Why would any of them deserve any tax dollars?  They do not pay any.

Neither do any of the other non-profits that got the same relief.  The government didn't discriminate against the religious ones on that basis.

Helping non-profits is fine, helping religious non-profits on the other hand breaks a rule in that original document.


LOL, area man passionate defender
 
2020-07-07 10:12:25 AM  

gnarlywizzard: Langdon_777: That is seriously farked up.

Why would any of them deserve any tax dollars?  They do not pay any.

The PPP loans go to payroll to cover employees. church employees pay payroll taxes like any other person out of their checks. Why shouldn't they be entitled to the same protections?


Seriously I do not care about "church employees," well actually I do, but it is the congregation that should be helping them, not the government.
 
2020-07-07 10:12:57 AM  
The loans helped keep those employed by religious organizations on a payroll.

Subby is a moron, and your blog sucks.
 
2020-07-07 10:13:13 AM  

Langdon_777: Nabb1: Langdon_777: That is seriously farked up.

Why would any of them deserve any tax dollars?  They do not pay any.

Neither do any of the other non-profits that got the same relief.  The government didn't discriminate against the religious ones on that basis.

Helping non-profits is fine, helping religious non-profits on the other hand breaks a rule in that original document.


No, it doesn't.
 
2020-07-07 10:13:32 AM  
You do not want to listen to my rants about tax dollars going to private religious schools.
 
2020-07-07 10:16:13 AM  

Nabb1: Langdon_777: Nabb1: Langdon_777: That is seriously farked up.

Why would any of them deserve any tax dollars?  They do not pay any.

Neither do any of the other non-profits that got the same relief.  The government didn't discriminate against the religious ones on that basis.

Helping non-profits is fine, helping religious non-profits on the other hand breaks a rule in that original document.

No, it doesn't.


If any G*d is involved then the state should have nothing to do with it.  Let them survive or die on their own.  If any area of the community seems to rely too much on help from those areas, then that is a problem that needs to be fixed, by non-religious non-profits.
 
2020-07-07 10:17:27 AM  

Langdon_777: That is seriously farked up.

Why would any of them deserve any tax dollars?  They do not pay any.


Because without religion brainwashing, the GOP wouldnt exist
 
2020-07-07 10:18:34 AM  

Langdon_777: Nabb1: Langdon_777: That is seriously farked up.

Why would any of them deserve any tax dollars?  They do not pay any.

Neither do any of the other non-profits that got the same relief.  The government didn't discriminate against the religious ones on that basis.

Helping non-profits is fine, helping religious non-profits on the other hand breaks a rule in that original document.


Literally the opposite of basically every ruling on the establishment clause. But go ahead and get angry.
 
2020-07-07 10:19:45 AM  
I'd be interested to know if mosques, synagogues, Baháʼí temples, or other similar places of worship that are not specifically Christian received any of this CARES Act money.

I mean, this is ridiculous..but, depending on whether other religions were specifically excluded or omitted will determined just HOW ridiculous this really is.
 
2020-07-07 10:24:59 AM  

TheEdibleSnuggie: I'd be interested to know if mosques, synagogues, Baháʼí temples, or other similar places of worship that are not specifically Christian received any of this CARES Act money.

I mean, this is ridiculous..but, depending on whether other religions were specifically excluded or omitted will determined just HOW ridiculous this really is.


The article specifically says that at least two atheist charities got the money, so I'm guessing that there was no discrimination here.

Also note that the PPP loans didn't come directly from the government; they came from banks.  If a bank had a pre-existing business arrangement with whatever type of group, they would make such loans.
 
2020-07-07 10:25:26 AM  

chucknasty: I didn't get a $1200 check (._. )


Still waiting on mine...
 
2020-07-07 10:25:37 AM  

Sumo Surfer: The loans helped keep those employed by religious organizations on a payroll.

Subby is a moron, and your blog sucks.


But gubmint spending is teh Debbil. RIGHT?
 
2020-07-07 10:30:35 AM  
How much of that went to Mosques, Synagogues, Temples, or other non Christian organizations?

Compare that to the % of attendees?
 
2020-07-07 10:31:39 AM  

TheEdibleSnuggie: I'd be interested to know if mosques, synagogues, Baháʼí temples, or other similar places of worship that are not specifically Christian received any of this CARES Act money.

I mean, this is ridiculous..but, depending on whether other religions were specifically excluded or omitted will determined just HOW ridiculous this really is.


*Shakes non-denominational fist!*
 
2020-07-07 10:32:34 AM  
Dunno about megachurches or how they operate, but my experience being married to a finance person at a large suburban congregation is that without butts in the pews putting money in the plate, it takes only a month or two before you cant make payroll anymore

I dont think just being an employee at a church should disqualify you for economic help during coronavirus season.

i dont think this is necessarily a huge problem as long as the churches are using their loan money to keep people in paychecks
 
2020-07-07 10:33:49 AM  

Crocoduck: What's the point of having a church if you can't take people's money and have sex with their kids?


You forgot the cannibalism.
 
2020-07-07 10:34:17 AM  
Time to tax churches.
 
2020-07-07 10:35:07 AM  
LOL - I got $36.97.
 
2020-07-07 10:36:56 AM  

gnarlywizzard: Dunno about megachurches or how they operate, but my experience being married to a finance person at a large suburban congregation is that without butts in the pews putting money in the plate, it takes only a month or two before you cant make payroll anymore

I dont think just being an employee at a church should disqualify you for economic help during coronavirus season.

i dont think this is necessarily a huge problem as long as the churches are using their loan money to keep people in paychecks


Sorry. If your G*d cannot provide then I have to assume your group has not been blessed and has no reason to exist.
 
2020-07-07 10:42:38 AM  

Langdon_777: gnarlywizzard: Langdon_777: That is seriously farked up.

Why would any of them deserve any tax dollars?  They do not pay any.

The PPP loans go to payroll to cover employees. church employees pay payroll taxes like any other person out of their checks. Why shouldn't they be entitled to the same protections?

Seriously I do not care about "church employees," well actually I do, but it is the congregation that should be helping them, not the government.


The congregation is too busy being grifted by the preacher-man
 
2020-07-07 10:44:55 AM  

Gyrfalcon: chucknasty: I didn't get a $1200 check (._. )

Still waiting on mine...


If you're not able to get into the online site because it tells you they can't determine if you're eligible or not, enter your address as all caps.  That worked for me anyway
 
2020-07-07 10:47:28 AM  

Langdon_777: gnarlywizzard: Dunno about megachurches or how they operate, but my experience being married to a finance person at a large suburban congregation is that without butts in the pews putting money in the plate, it takes only a month or two before you cant make payroll anymore

I dont think just being an employee at a church should disqualify you for economic help during coronavirus season.

i dont think this is necessarily a huge problem as long as the churches are using their loan money to keep people in paychecks

Sorry. If your G*d cannot provide then I have to assume your group has not been blessed and has no reason to exist.


I realize you're just trolling to deflect because you got called out for being ignorant about the constitution.

But you're conflating the beliefs of the employer with the beliefs of the employee.
 
2020-07-07 10:55:35 AM  

MrBallou: That's because "most Americans" don't pour tons of money into RNC coffers.



BINGO!  They're not donating to churches so much as themselves.  It's all just a circle-jerk of kickbacks, all paid for by the rest of us.
 
2020-07-07 11:03:59 AM  
So they can finally afford to cover birth control, right?
 
2020-07-07 11:12:56 AM  

gnarlywizzard: Langdon_777: gnarlywizzard: Dunno about megachurches or how they operate, but my experience being married to a finance person at a large suburban congregation is that without butts in the pews putting money in the plate, it takes only a month or two before you cant make payroll anymore

I dont think just being an employee at a church should disqualify you for economic help during coronavirus season.

i dont think this is necessarily a huge problem as long as the churches are using their loan money to keep people in paychecks

Sorry. If your G*d cannot provide then I have to assume your group has not been blessed and has no reason to exist.

I realize you're just trolling to deflect because you got called out for being ignorant about the constitution.

But you're conflating the beliefs of the employer with the beliefs of the employee.


No no no I haven't.  I wipe my butt with your constitution.  But as a solo witch, I do not like religious organisations, I have limited respect for them.  I do not believe that any tax dollars collected from the totally of the community should ever go to a religious organisation and if you work for them and lose your grifting job, then you should rely on unemployment like everyone else.
 
2020-07-07 11:13:11 AM  
As long as it's for payroll; I don't really care, and I'm pretty anti-religion (autocorrect really wanted that to be antisemitism for some reason the whole way through typing).  I'm just confused as to how many people are on the payroll of a single church for needing $2-5M. Like what goes into the whole megachurch nonsense?
 
2020-07-07 11:21:49 AM  

Senseless_drivel: So they can finally afford to cover birth control, right?


Please. The preacher needs a new Bentley to complement his new Lear Jet
 
2020-07-07 11:27:06 AM  

Gyrfalcon: chucknasty: I didn't get a $1200 check (._. )

Still waiting on mine...


did you also make the mistake of getting a college education and a decent job that benefits others, too? what ever, I would have just given it to charity anyway. I just wish it hadn't gone to cooperate crap or Kanye.
 
2020-07-07 11:33:04 AM  

markie_farkie: The First Baptist Church of Dallas, run by MAGA cultist Pastor Robert Jeffress and which Mike Pence visited last week, received between $2 million and $5 million.

That farkwad somehow managed to scrape up $100,000,000 to build his new downtown Dallas mega worship palace, so you'd think his flock would come to the rescue during a brief time of need, right??


Of course. You know Trump will take care of his cronies and public mouthpieces who use their 'church' as a political rally
 
2020-07-07 11:33:37 AM  

gnarlywizzard: Langdon_777: That is seriously farked up.

Why would any of them deserve any tax dollars?  They do not pay any.

The PPP loans go to payroll to cover employees. church employees pay payroll taxes like any other person out of their checks. Why shouldn't they be entitled to the same protections?


Because fark them. They have a club, not a business. They don't have employees, just cultists that are paid to continue culting and lobbyists that ruin america. They can get a real job. fark 'em.
 
2020-07-07 11:55:17 AM  

TuckFrump: But I thought Republicans didn't want federal money being spent on non-taxpayers


It's OK when they're in on the grift.
 
2020-07-07 12:06:11 PM  

Geotpf: TheEdibleSnuggie: I'd be interested to know if mosques, synagogues, Baháʼí temples, or other similar places of worship that are not specifically Christian received any of this CARES Act money.

I mean, this is ridiculous..but, depending on whether other religions were specifically excluded or omitted will determined just HOW ridiculous this really is.

The article specifically says that at least two atheist charities got the money, so I'm guessing that there was no discrimination here.

Also note that the PPP loans didn't come directly from the government; they came from banks.  If a bank had a pre-existing business arrangement with whatever type of group, they would make such loans.


Thank you for the reminder that instead of money being given directly to small businesses, it was given to banks in order to complicate the process for the small business and allow the banks to keep as much of the money as they could keep their grubby paws on.
 
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