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(Kens 5 San Antonio)   The Pastor said "people were lonely. They were out of fellowship for all the weeks we were gone. So, I said if you want to hug each other, it's ok. Do it." He now regrets that. There are more than 50 reasons he regrets that   (kens5.com) divider line
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2020-07-06 10:04:48 PM  
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2020-07-06 10:11:14 PM  
I'm sure they will be able to pray it away now.
 
2020-07-06 10:21:31 PM  

hugram: I'm sure they will be able to pray it away now.


About as much as the pastor is able to pray away his weekly hug session with the church secretary.
 
2020-07-06 10:38:05 PM  
Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.
 
2020-07-06 11:26:49 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.


Ah, religion -- where would humanity be without it?

/dont actually consider that, its rhetorical.
//you would regret it
 
2020-07-07 2:33:01 AM  
So many church bound morons.
 
2020-07-07 2:58:27 AM  
If you feel too lonely to follow common sense instructions that will save your life and that of others, please punch yourself in the genitalia and stop being such a god damned pussy.
 
2020-07-07 5:23:10 AM  
It sounds like his God wants him to die, but he just won't take the Hint.
 
2020-07-07 5:39:35 AM  
Guess God doesnt love you after all.  See you in Hell.
 
2020-07-07 5:40:50 AM  
Hey, you'll be with Jesus that much sooner while improving the planet!
 
2020-07-07 5:44:34 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: It sounds like his God wants him to die, but he just won't take the Hint.


Nonono, it's his congregants who are getting sick, not him. If you want to impute divine will to the affair, you might suggest that Pastor Arbough is such an effective tool for God that God is calling his congregation home so he can preach to new people.
 
2020-07-07 5:52:15 AM  
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2020-07-07 5:53:30 AM  
If Darwin were not already dead, he'd have laughed himself so by now.
 
2020-07-07 5:56:42 AM  

Frederick: BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.

Ah, religion -- where would humanity be without it?

/dont actually consider that, its rhetorical.
//you would regret it


Less war, for one.
More high for an other.
 
2020-07-07 5:57:28 AM  
WTF.
Rage.
😠😠😠😠😠
 
2020-07-07 6:08:49 AM  

hugram: I'm sure they will be able to pray it away now.


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2020-07-07 6:13:14 AM  

Frederick: BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.

Ah, religion -- where would humanity be without it?


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Probably out hopping galaxies by now.
 
2020-07-07 6:18:22 AM  
Hugs not drugs
 
2020-07-07 6:18:55 AM  

Archie Goodwin: Frederick: BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.

Ah, religion -- where would humanity be without it?

[Fark user image 363x323]
Probably out hopping galaxies by now.


I mean, if you think inventions like windmills and sawmills and compasses and gunpowder and well, shiat, all kinds of stuff wasn't important, one wonders what the Romans did that was so great.
 
2020-07-07 6:19:06 AM  
So

Bslim: hugram: I'm sure they will be able to pray it away now.

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oh wow, now I remember God talking to Kaaaareeen...
 
2020-07-07 6:23:12 AM  
Sunday, Sunday, Sunday!!!  50+ select individuals will be chosen to go meet Jesus!!  Tell your friends, and show up in your Sunday's finest!
 
2020-07-07 6:28:28 AM  
It is regularly claimed that God will protect the faithful and looks after his own so logically none of those people were ones that God cared about.
 
2020-07-07 6:31:32 AM  
This church runs a medical operation too if the website is to be believed.
 
2020-07-07 6:32:11 AM  
My parents' church started doing indoor services again a week or two ago. Parents are unhappy about this and have been trying to talk sense into the leadership (Dad used to be the pastor there, they're still very involved and have some pull) but no luck. They won't be attending.
 
2020-07-07 6:34:36 AM  

Archie Goodwin: Frederick: BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.

Ah, religion -- where would humanity be without it?

[Fark user image 363x323]
Probably out hopping galaxies by now.


Archie Goodwin: Frederick: BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.

Ah, religion -- where would humanity be without it?

[Fark user image 363x323]
Probably out hopping galaxies by now.


What a stupid farking chart.  As if the Muslim world wasn't pushing the state of the art during those "Christian Dark Ages."  Those stars sure have a lot of Arabic names.  I think your algorithm is off.

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2020-07-07 6:39:48 AM  

Archie Goodwin: Frederick: BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.

Ah, religion -- where would humanity be without it?

[Fark user image 363x323]
Probably out hopping galaxies by now.


That graph understands history about as well as the average American evangelical.
 
2020-07-07 6:40:35 AM  
Heh.  Pastor's scared.  Church is a bit like television:If you can stop watching it for a month, you'll start to wonder why you were watching it at all. You'll find other things to do with your time.
 
2020-07-07 6:53:34 AM  

SecondaryControl: Heh.  Pastor's scared.  Church is a bit like television:If you can stop watching it for a month, you'll start to wonder why you were watching it at all. You'll find other things to do with your time.


That's the real issue. When you go to church every Sunday and sometimes other days for specific holidays, etc., it seems like that's what everyone does, because everyone you know does. It seems like it's just the thing you do on Sundays. When I told my mother at 12 that I would no longer be going to mass, ever, and she was basically "oh well" after an initial shiat fit coontil I told her why), I nearly kicked myself for not saying something sooner, since I never believed any of that bullshiat. Could have saved myself a lot of fu*king boring Sundays.
 
2020-07-07 6:55:16 AM  

Izunbacol: As if the Muslim world wasn't pushing the state of the art during those "Christian Dark Ages." passing off Indian ideas as their own.


FTFY.

Plus, they seem to have fallen down on the whole "beacon to humanity" thing these last few centuries :)

/don't blame me...the locals are the ones voting with their feet
//immigration/emigration stats don't lie
 
2020-07-07 6:55:46 AM  

BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority


Anyone that sees a clergyman as a figure of authority deserves whatever hateful shiat is coming towards them.

/Except children.  Children are stupid and don't know any better.
 
2020-07-07 6:57:50 AM  
So covid is some kind of radiation?
 
2020-07-07 6:58:34 AM  

Izunbacol: Archie Goodwin: Frederick: BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.

Ah, religion -- where would humanity be without it?

[Fark user image 363x323]
Probably out hopping galaxies by now.

Archie Goodwin: Frederick: BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.

Ah, religion -- where would humanity be without it?

[Fark user image 363x323]
Probably out hopping galaxies by now.

What a stupid farking chart.  As if the Muslim world wasn't pushing the state of the art during those "Christian Dark Ages."  Those stars sure have a lot of Arabic names.  I think your algorithm is off.

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Hell, for 500 years the Islamic world led the way in science and culture and what happened? Religion & war got in the way.
 
2020-07-07 7:10:16 AM  

starsrift: Archie Goodwin: Frederick: BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.

Ah, religion -- where would humanity be without it?

[Fark user image 363x323]
Probably out hopping galaxies by now.

I mean, if you think inventions like windmills and sawmills and compasses and gunpowder and well, shiat, all kinds of stuff wasn't important, one wonders what the Romans did that was so great.


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2020-07-07 7:11:26 AM  
I think part of the problem is that rather than following guidelines and recommendations of health officials, they did whatever Governor Abbott said was okay.  The Gov is more interested in economics and personal freedoms rather than public health, though.
 
2020-07-07 7:15:41 AM  

Blahbbs: I think part of the problem is that rather than following guidelines and recommendations of health officials, they did whatever Governor Abbott said was okay.  The Gov is more interested in economics and personal freedoms rather than public health, though.


If only that tree had hit his head and not his legs/spin
 
2020-07-07 7:17:22 AM  
Jesus love you.

But he wants you to social distance and wear the damn mask, idiot.
 
2020-07-07 7:20:32 AM  
Jesus, what was he thinking?
 
2020-07-07 7:24:30 AM  

offacue: Jesus, what was he thinking?


Also Jesus: what was he thinking?
 
2020-07-07 7:28:30 AM  
When I'm lonely, I jerk off. All alone. No mask required.
 
2020-07-07 7:29:47 AM  
Can't they just dance around with snakes or something?
 
2020-07-07 7:30:41 AM  

PunGent: Izunbacol: As if the Muslim world wasn't pushing the state of the art during those "Christian Dark Ages." passing off Indian ideas as their own.

FTFY.

Plus, they seem to have fallen down on the whole "beacon to humanity" thing these last few centuries :)

/don't blame me...the locals are the ones voting with their feet
//immigration/emigration stats don't lie


Archie Goodwin: Hell, for 500 years the Islamic world led the way in science and culture and what happened? Religion & war got in the way.


Real answer: Economic peripheralization.  Southwest Asia was the center of gravity for the world economy for a long time - think of the silk road, the global crossroads of trade.  Having your lands as the nexus of economic activity brings ideas, brings wealth, and brings the spare capacity to pursue science and knowledge.

The discovery of the New World shifted that crossroads west, and the development of long distance sailing simultaneously allowed the east and west to bypass the old crossroads.  In place of the once grand trade routes through southwest Asia and Ottoman lands, we saw the merchants of Europe running wildly profitable trade routes in the Atlantic.  The Muslim world has been on the defensive since - the Ottomans tried to modernize their infrastructure on a superficial level, like cargo cultists, with the professionalized bureaucracies, military ceremonies, and at one point, constitutional reforms.

Egypt tried (under strong 'suggestion' from the British) to establish itself as an alternative cotton empire to the U.S.  And, as always seems to happen when fate and misfortune rain down, a large fundamentalist religious movement took hold - when things are bad, people want to know why, and there is always a cleric selling the "God is mad at us because we've been backsliding" angle.  You see the exact same thing in the U.S., where the Civil War, boll weevil, and topsoil depletion turned the south into political and economic backwater for a century, and spurred hardline fundamentalist religion.

Our sense of entitlement and exceptionalism leads us to see the United States as the heir to the great Western civilizations - Greece, Rome, British - but we're actually quite comfortably situated as just the most prominent of the Western hemisphere presidential republics.  It pains me to write it, but we have far more in common with the political extremism, violent reprisals, and banana republican kleptocracies of Latin America than we'd like to admit.  We look to the fall of Rome as our "this too shall end" tale of warning, but I feel we look at the wrong story - the collapse of the Ottoman Empire is far more foreboding: a formerly massive, powerful, cohesive, and diverse empire that slowly ran aground due to political incompetence, decaying infrastructure, economic blunder, insurgent nationalist movements, and increased economic perhipheralization.

Especially with the center of gravity moving East at a startling pace:

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2020-07-07 7:37:10 AM  

SecondaryControl: Heh.  Pastor's scared.  Church is a bit like television:If you can stop watching it for a month, you'll start to wonder why you were watching it at all. You'll find other things to do with your time.


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Church is a bit like television:If you can stop watching it for a month, you'll start to wonder why you were watching it at all.

Well f*cking said!
 
2020-07-07 7:39:25 AM  

Izunbacol: What a stupid farking chart. As if the Muslim world wasn't pushing the state of the art during those "Christian Dark Ages." Those stars sure have a lot of Arabic names. I think your algorithm is off.

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I bet half of Europe dying during that time had something to do with the slowdown in scientific advancement too.
 
2020-07-07 7:39:30 AM  

Archie Goodwin: Izunbacol: Archie Goodwin: Frederick: BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.

Ah, religion -- where would humanity be without it?

[Fark user image 363x323]
Probably out hopping galaxies by now.

Archie Goodwin: Frederick: BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.

Ah, religion -- where would humanity be without it?

[Fark user image 363x323]
Probably out hopping galaxies by now.

What a stupid farking chart.  As if the Muslim world wasn't pushing the state of the art during those "Christian Dark Ages."  Those stars sure have a lot of Arabic names.  I think your algorithm is off.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 282x553]

Hell, for 500 years the Islamic world led the way in science and culture and what happened? Religion & war got in the way.


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...led the way in science and culture...

No, you're thinking of China. Islam made a desert and called it "peace".
 
2020-07-07 7:46:33 AM  

Sunidesus: My parents' church started doing indoor services again a week or two ago. Parents are unhappy about this and have been trying to talk sense into the leadership (Dad used to be the pastor there, they're still very involved and have some pull) but no luck. They won't be attending.


The diocese here has been trying to figure out how to reopen. Prevailing thought is mandated distancing and masks, no peace, no communion, and likely a few more services to take the slack- we get 50-60 for Sunday at 10, but doing the math with proper distance the church can only hold about 20.

That won't be for a while. Last live service was in March and odds are we won't get another until August or September.

They've been smart- closed before the state shutdown, blanket ban on all in-person stuff.
 
2020-07-07 7:46:59 AM  
Covid is mostly a christian disease.
 
2020-07-07 7:49:30 AM  
The church leader said no one in his congregation tested positive for COVID-19 during the government enforced shutdown for nearly nine weeks to fend off the virus.

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it's almost like the scientists and public health officials might actually know something about pandemic spread.

/farking sociopaths
 
2020-07-07 7:50:10 AM  

aagrajag: Archie Goodwin: Izunbacol: Archie Goodwin: Frederick: BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.

Ah, religion -- where would humanity be without it?

[Fark user image 363x323]
Probably out hopping galaxies by now.

Archie Goodwin: Frederick: BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.

Ah, religion -- where would humanity be without it?

[Fark user image 363x323]
Probably out hopping galaxies by now.

What a stupid farking chart.  As if the Muslim world wasn't pushing the state of the art during those "Christian Dark Ages."  Those stars sure have a lot of Arabic names.  I think your algorithm is off.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 282x553]

Hell, for 500 years the Islamic world led the way in science and culture and what happened? Religion & war got in the way.

-
...led the way in science and culture...

No, you're thinking of China. Islam made a desert and called it "peace".


Islamic Golden Age

Approx. 786-1258 AD

It's not covered in too many western general history books in schools. Read any book on the history of science, or some great invention however and there will invariably be mention of an Islamic contribution along the way.
 
2020-07-07 7:53:53 AM  

Xanlexian: Sunday, Sunday, Sunday!!!  50+ select individuals will be chosen to go meet Jesus!!  Tell your friends, and show up in your Sunday's finest!


You've paid for the whole seat, BUT YOU'LL ONLY NEED THE EDGE!!!

/stolen from PA
 
2020-07-07 7:54:55 AM  

Archie Goodwin: Frederick: BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.

Ah, religion -- where would humanity be without it?

[Fark user image image 363x323]
Probably out hopping galaxies by now.


Funny how that curve doesn't have a period for Muslim scientific advancements.

/enter that rabbit hole at your own risk
//somehow Alkhawarizmi became algorithms. Jaber Bin Hayan became Algebra
///Neil degrasse Tyson has an interesting talk on YouTube about the impact of Muslims (phrasing?)
 
2020-07-07 7:57:50 AM  

Resident Muslim: Archie Goodwin: Frederick: BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.

Ah, religion -- where would humanity be without it?

[Fark user image image 363x323]
Probably out hopping galaxies by now.

Funny how that curve doesn't have a period for Muslim scientific advancements.

/enter that rabbit hole at your own risk
//somehow Alkhawarizmi became algorithms. Jaber Bin Hayan became Algebra
///Neil degrasse Tyson has an interesting talk on YouTube about the impact of Muslims (phrasing?)


I think this is the one I saw:
Neil DeGrasse Tyson - The Islamic Golden Age: Naming Rights
Youtube fDAT98eEN5Q
 
2020-07-07 8:00:11 AM  

Archie Goodwin: aagrajag: Archie Goodwin: Izunbacol: Archie Goodwin: Frederick: BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.

Ah, religion -- where would humanity be without it?

[Fark user image 363x323]
Probably out hopping galaxies by now.

Archie Goodwin: Frederick: BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.

Ah, religion -- where would humanity be without it?

[Fark user image 363x323]
Probably out hopping galaxies by now.

What a stupid farking chart.  As if the Muslim world wasn't pushing the state of the art during those "Christian Dark Ages."  Those stars sure have a lot of Arabic names.  I think your algorithm is off.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 282x553]

Hell, for 500 years the Islamic world led the way in science and culture and what happened? Religion & war got in the way.

-
...led the way in science and culture...

No, you're thinking of China. Islam made a desert and called it "peace".

Islamic Golden Age

Approx. 786-1258 AD

It's not covered in too many western general history books in schools. Read any book on the history of science, or some great invention however and there will invariably be mention of an Islamic contribution along the way.


The problem with the term "Islamic Golden Age" is that it implies the fruits of that age were somehow the products of Islam.

Islam did nothing but unify by force a particularly fractious part of the world, and thereby created the stability necessary for any real scientific inquiry. It isn't much different from the US in that respect.

The problem is that they stagnated and the rest of the world blew past them, like a jet past a bicycle. And rather than evolve, they choose instead to look to their glorious past, and get angrier and angrier.

The analogy works even better than I'd thought. China, too, sought comfort in its past glories as those stinking, hairy, red-haired, blue-eyed barbarians carved up their country.
 
2020-07-07 8:00:40 AM  

Sunidesus: My parents' church started doing indoor services again a week or two ago. Parents are unhappy about this and have been trying to talk sense into the leadership (Dad used to be the pastor there, they're still very involved and have some pull) but no luck. They won't be attending.


It's just so unnecessary! It's not emergency surgery ffs. If you really can't be religious on your own, or over video, then at least find some safe way that doesn't involve you sitting next to each other indoors.

Or don't. But then just die on your own and don't take any healthcare workers with you.
 
2020-07-07 8:07:38 AM  
Virus don't care about your god, it don't give a damn.
 
2020-07-07 8:08:39 AM  

BadReligion: So many church bound morons.


It's built in to the system.
 
2020-07-07 8:11:42 AM  

Sword and Shield: Sunidesus: My parents' church started doing indoor services again a week or two ago. Parents are unhappy about this and have been trying to talk sense into the leadership (Dad used to be the pastor there, they're still very involved and have some pull) but no luck. They won't be attending.

The diocese here has been trying to figure out how to reopen. Prevailing thought is mandated distancing and masks, no peace, no communion, and likely a few more services to take the slack- we get 50-60 for Sunday at 10, but doing the math with proper distance the church can only hold about 20.

That won't be for a while. Last live service was in March and odds are we won't get another until August or September.

They've been smart- closed before the state shutdown, blanket ban on all in-person stuff.


Live stream on Facebook.
Jesus, just, ignore the obviously I guess?
At this point 🦆 humanity
 
2020-07-07 8:11:55 AM  

Archie Goodwin: Frederick: BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.

Ah, religion -- where would humanity be without it?

[Fark user image image 363x323]
Probably out hopping galaxies by now.


Unfortunately we appear to be on the edge of a new dark age, assuming humanity even survives global warming.
 
2020-07-07 8:13:31 AM  

Blahbbs: I think part of the problem is that rather than following guidelines and recommendations of health officials, they did whatever Governor Abbott said was okay.  The Gov is more interested in economics and personal freedoms rather than public health, though.


They ALL are. It's how you get that job. If only SOME of them were, then we could expect the graph to include SOME civil rights experts, some religious fanatics, some scientists...
What we find, however, is no matter who has the job, no matter their title, once they become governor...
They operate the levers on a money pump at the expense of all other interests or disciplines.
 
2020-07-07 8:15:25 AM  

Sword and Shield: Sunidesus: My parents' church started doing indoor services again a week or two ago. Parents are unhappy about this and have been trying to talk sense into the leadership (Dad used to be the pastor there, they're still very involved and have some pull) but no luck. They won't be attending.

The diocese here has been trying to figure out how to reopen. Prevailing thought is mandated distancing and masks, no peace, no communion, and likely a few more services to take the slack- we get 50-60 for Sunday at 10, but doing the math with proper distance the church can only hold about 20.

That won't be for a while. Last live service was in March and odds are we won't get another until August or September.

They've been smart- closed before the state shutdown, blanket ban on all in-person stuff.


It is good to hear about the ones that are being smart about it.

Someone at one of the other local churches was on the ball way back when everything started happening. They reserved one of the outdoor amphitheater areas at one of the local parks for every Sunday all summer. Everyone is wearing masks and staying distant.
 
2020-07-07 8:15:55 AM  
Looks like there weren't enough thoughts going along with the prayers.
 
2020-07-07 8:18:37 AM  

Izunbacol: PunGent: Izunbacol: As if the Muslim world wasn't pushing the state of the art during those "Christian Dark Ages." passing off Indian ideas as their own.

FTFY.

Plus, they seem to have fallen down on the whole "beacon to humanity" thing these last few centuries :)

/don't blame me...the locals are the ones voting with their feet
//immigration/emigration stats don't lie

Archie Goodwin: Hell, for 500 years the Islamic world led the way in science and culture and what happened? Religion & war got in the way.

Real answer: Economic peripheralization.  Southwest Asia was the center of gravity for the world economy for a long time - think of the silk road, the global crossroads of trade.  Having your lands as the nexus of economic activity brings ideas, brings wealth, and brings the spare capacity to pursue science and knowledge.

The discovery of the New World shifted that crossroads west, and the development of long distance sailing simultaneously allowed the east and west to bypass the old crossroads.  In place of the once grand trade routes through southwest Asia and Ottoman lands, we saw the merchants of Europe running wildly profitable trade routes in the Atlantic.  The Muslim world has been on the defensive since - the Ottomans tried to modernize their infrastructure on a superficial level, like cargo cultists, with the professionalized bureaucracies, military ceremonies, and at one point, constitutional reforms.

Egypt tried (under strong 'suggestion' from the British) to establish itself as an alternative cotton empire to the U.S.  And, as always seems to happen when fate and misfortune rain down, a large fundamentalist religious movement took hold - when things are bad, people want to know why, and there is always a cleric selling the "God is mad at us because we've been backsliding" angle.  You see the exact same thing in the U.S., where the Civil War, boll weevil, and topsoil depletion turned the south into political and economic backwater for a century, and spurred hardline fundamentalist religion.

Our sense of entitlement and exceptionalism leads us to see the United States as the heir to the great Western civilizations - Greece, Rome, British - but we're actually quite comfortably situated as just the most prominent of the Western hemisphere presidential republics.  It pains me to write it, but we have far more in common with the political extremism, violent reprisals, and banana republican kleptocracies of Latin America than we'd like to admit.  We look to the fall of Rome as our "this too shall end" tale of warning, but I feel we look at the wrong story - the collapse of the Ottoman Empire is far more foreboding: a formerly massive, powerful, cohesive, and diverse empire that slowly ran aground due to political incompetence, decaying infrastructure, economic blunder, insurgent nationalist movements, and increased economic perhipheralization.

Especially with the center of gravity moving East at a startling pace:

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Nixon's to blame.
Never should have recognized China.
 
2020-07-07 8:22:17 AM  

Izunbacol: Archie Goodwin: Frederick: BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.

Ah, religion -- where would humanity be without it?

[Fark user image 363x323]
Probably out hopping galaxies by now.

Archie Goodwin: Frederick: BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.

Ah, religion -- where would humanity be without it?

[Fark user image 363x323]
Probably out hopping galaxies by now.

What a stupid farking chart.  As if the Muslim world wasn't pushing the state of the art during those "Christian Dark Ages."  Those stars sure have a lot of Arabic names.  I think your algorithm is off.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 282x553]


He forgot his al-jabr.
 
2020-07-07 8:23:10 AM  

1funguy: Izunbacol: PunGent: Izunbacol: As if the Muslim world wasn't pushing the state of the art during those "Christian Dark Ages." passing off Indian ideas as their own.

FTFY.

Plus, they seem to have fallen down on the whole "beacon to humanity" thing these last few centuries :)

/don't blame me...the locals are the ones voting with their feet
//immigration/emigration stats don't lie

Archie Goodwin: Hell, for 500 years the Islamic world led the way in science and culture and what happened? Religion & war got in the way.

Real answer: Economic peripheralization.  Southwest Asia was the center of gravity for the world economy for a long time - think of the silk road, the global crossroads of trade.  Having your lands as the nexus of economic activity brings ideas, brings wealth, and brings the spare capacity to pursue science and knowledge.

The discovery of the New World shifted that crossroads west, and the development of long distance sailing simultaneously allowed the east and west to bypass the old crossroads.  In place of the once grand trade routes through southwest Asia and Ottoman lands, we saw the merchants of Europe running wildly profitable trade routes in the Atlantic.  The Muslim world has been on the defensive since - the Ottomans tried to modernize their infrastructure on a superficial level, like cargo cultists, with the professionalized bureaucracies, military ceremonies, and at one point, constitutional reforms.

Egypt tried (under strong 'suggestion' from the British) to establish itself as an alternative cotton empire to the U.S.  And, as always seems to happen when fate and misfortune rain down, a large fundamentalist religious movement took hold - when things are bad, people want to know why, and there is always a cleric selling the "God is mad at us because we've been backsliding" angle.  You see the exact same thing in the U.S., where the Civil War, boll weevil, and topsoil depletion turned the south into political and economic backwater for a century, and spurred hardline fundamentalist religion.

Our sense of entitlement and exceptionalism leads us to see the United States as the heir to the great Western civilizations - Greece, Rome, British - but we're actually quite comfortably situated as just the most prominent of the Western hemisphere presidential republics.  It pains me to write it, but we have far more in common with the political extremism, violent reprisals, and banana republican kleptocracies of Latin America than we'd like to admit.  We look to the fall of Rome as our "this too shall end" tale of warning, but I feel we look at the wrong story - the collapse of the Ottoman Empire is far more foreboding: a formerly massive, powerful, cohesive, and diverse empire that slowly ran aground due to political incompetence, decaying infrastructure, economic blunder, insurgent nationalist movements, and increased economic perhipheralization.

Especially with the center of gravity moving East at a startling pace:

[Fark user image image 694x384]

Nixon's to blame.
Never should have recognized China.


You would prefer a Russia-China alliance? Nixon's strategy was to cause a rivalry between the two.
 
2020-07-07 8:25:15 AM  

Sword and Shield: Sunidesus: My parents' church started doing indoor services again a week or two ago. Parents are unhappy about this and have been trying to talk sense into the leadership (Dad used to be the pastor there, they're still very involved and have some pull) but no luck. They won't be attending.

The diocese here has been trying to figure out how to reopen. Prevailing thought is mandated distancing and masks, no peace, no communion, and likely a few more services to take the slack- we get 50-60 for Sunday at 10, but doing the math with proper distance the church can only hold about 20.

That won't be for a while. Last live service was in March and odds are we won't get another until August or September.

They've been smart- closed before the state shutdown, blanket ban on all in-person stuff.


Desoto, MO.
This week. One of the (baptist?) ministers has sent out a letter (story as related to me) asking for everyone's prayers...
He thought Church Camp would be ok last month, so they all got in one bus and drove down there.
He's pretty sure he's got the 'rona...not gonna get it tested cause god... but if everyone would please pray for him...

There needs to be some accountability in situations like these.
Maybe a $1M cash bond before you can open a church or become a pastor...
 
2020-07-07 8:28:09 AM  
My thoughts and prayers are with them.

"May Odin grant them wisdom to see the right path to follow. May Thor grant them the strength to see them through the hard times. And may Loki inject just enough mischief into their life to make it interesting.
 
2020-07-07 8:37:25 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: 1funguy: Izunbacol: PunGent: Izunbacol: As if the Muslim world wasn't pushing the state of the art during those "Christian Dark Ages." passing off Indian ideas as their own.

FTFY.

Plus, they seem to have fallen down on the whole "beacon to humanity" thing these last few centuries :)

/don't blame me...the locals are the ones voting with their feet
//immigration/emigration stats don't lie

Archie Goodwin: Hell, for 500 years the Islamic world led the way in science and culture and what happened? Religion & war got in the way.

Real answer: Economic peripheralization.  Southwest Asia was the center of gravity for the world economy for a long time - think of the silk road, the global crossroads of trade.  Having your lands as the nexus of economic activity brings ideas, brings wealth, and brings the spare capacity to pursue science and knowledge.

The discovery of the New World shifted that crossroads west, and the development of long distance sailing simultaneously allowed the east and west to bypass the old crossroads.  In place of the once grand trade routes through southwest Asia and Ottoman lands, we saw the merchants of Europe running wildly profitable trade routes in the Atlantic.  The Muslim world has been on the defensive since - the Ottomans tried to modernize their infrastructure on a superficial level, like cargo cultists, with the professionalized bureaucracies, military ceremonies, and at one point, constitutional reforms.

Egypt tried (under strong 'suggestion' from the British) to establish itself as an alternative cotton empire to the U.S.  And, as always seems to happen when fate and misfortune rain down, a large fundamentalist religious movement took hold - when things are bad, people want to know why, and there is always a cleric selling the "God is mad at us because we've been backsliding" angle.  You see the exact same thing in the U.S., where the Civil War, boll weevil, and topsoil depletion turned the south into political and economic backwater for a century, and spurred hardline fundamentalist religion.

Our sense of entitlement and exceptionalism leads us to see the United States as the heir to the great Western civilizations - Greece, Rome, British - but we're actually quite comfortably situated as just the most prominent of the Western hemisphere presidential republics.  It pains me to write it, but we have far more in common with the political extremism, violent reprisals, and banana republican kleptocracies of Latin America than we'd like to admit.  We look to the fall of Rome as our "this too shall end" tale of warning, but I feel we look at the wrong story - the collapse of the Ottoman Empire is far more foreboding: a formerly massive, powerful, cohesive, and diverse empire that slowly ran aground due to political incompetence, decaying infrastructure, economic blunder, insurgent nationalist movements, and increased economic perhipheralization.

Especially with the center of gravity moving East at a startling pace:

[Fark user image image 694x384]

Nixon's to blame.
Never should have recognized China.

You would prefer a Russia-China alliance? Nixon's strategy was to cause a rivalry between the two.


Yeah, China and Russia have such a great relationship throughout history. They would have blown each other to tiny bits before they could have unified in a meaningful way.
We could "what if" the hell out of this in alternate reality scenarios, but as soon as business realized that nationalized prison labor was cheaper than unionized and/or organized labor...production took a right turn back to China.
It's about money. We may shroud it in religion or nationalism...but business, like water, always exploits the leaks in the system. To its own benefit.
 
2020-07-07 8:42:39 AM  
I have exactly zero sympathy for any of them.  Fark selfish idiots like this.
 
2020-07-07 8:43:32 AM  

aagrajag: Archie Goodwin: aagrajag: Archie Goodwin: Izunbacol: Archie Goodwin: Frederick: BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.

Ah, religion -- where would humanity be without it?

[Fark user image 363x323]
Probably out hopping galaxies by now.

Archie Goodwin: Frederick: BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.

Ah, religion -- where would humanity be without it?

[Fark user image 363x323]
Probably out hopping galaxies by now.

What a stupid farking chart.  As if the Muslim world wasn't pushing the state of the art during those "Christian Dark Ages."  Those stars sure have a lot of Arabic names.  I think your algorithm is off.

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Hell, for 500 years the Islamic world led the way in science and culture and what happened? Religion & war got in the way.

-
...led the way in science and culture...

No, you're thinking of China. Islam made a desert and called it "peace".

Islamic Golden Age

Approx. 786-1258 AD

It's not covered in too many western general history books in schools. Read any book on the history of science, or some great invention however and there will invariably be mention of an Islamic contribution along the way.

The problem with the term "Islamic Golden Age" is that it implies the fruits of that age were somehow the products of Islam.

Islam did nothing but unify by force a particularly fractious part of the world, and thereby created the stability necessary for any real scientific inquiry. It isn't much different from the US in that respect.

The problem is that they stagnated and the rest of the world blew past them, like a jet past a bicycle. And rather than evolve, they choose instead to look to their glorious past, and get angrier and angrier.

The analogy works even better than I'd thought. China, too, sought comfort in its past glories as those stinking, hairy, red-haired, blue-eyed barbarians ca ...


The "Islamic Golden Age" was also nearly 100% the product of Persia. Had the Sassanid Empire survived the Arab onslaught they'd get the credit they deserve.
 
2020-07-07 9:09:00 AM  
How is this any different from the morons packing themselves into bars?

I scoff at religious kookery as much as anyone here, but let's not pretend that this is only happening in churches.
 
2020-07-07 9:11:48 AM  

GoldSpider: How is this any different from the morons packing themselves into bars?

I scoff at religious kookery as much as anyone here, but let's not pretend that this is only happening in churches.


well the people going to bars are likely caught in the grip of an addiction they're helpless to...

oh, right. I see.
 
2020-07-07 9:25:34 AM  

BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.


Because those people had no agency whatsoever.
 
2020-07-07 9:26:28 AM  
no

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2020-07-07 9:26:50 AM  

starsrift: Archie Goodwin: Frederick: BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.

Ah, religion -- where would humanity be without it?

[Fark user image 363x323]
Probably out hopping galaxies by now.

I mean, if you think inventions like windmills and sawmills and compasses and gunpowder and well, shiat, all kinds of stuff wasn't important, one wonders what the Romans did that was so great.


They BUILT a lot, but they INVENTED very little of substance.
 
2020-07-07 9:36:03 AM  

Archie Goodwin: Frederick: BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.

Ah, religion -- where would humanity be without it?

[Fark user image 363x323]
Probably out hopping galaxies by now.


I hate that farking chart so much.  It's completely wrong, and that's not even getting into the non-Eurocentric take on scientific advancement or the fact that one of the axis is labeled as an unquantified "scientific advancement".  You know who also existed during the "Christian Dark Ages"?   THE FARKING BYZANTINE EMPIRE, WHO CONSIDERED THEMSELVES THE BULWARK OF CHRISTIANITY FOR OVER A THOUSAND YEARS.  Do they magically not exist anymore?  Does their keeping the lantern of Rome lit for hundreds of years not count because reasons?

The whole "Dark Age" myth was invented by the Renaissance wholesale, to brag about how they were finally reclaiming Rome's legacy and that everything that had come inbetween was not worth mentioning.  No real historian gives the term any credit, and the only people who throw it around now are Enlightened Gentlemen who like to scoff it as they tip their fedoras just so.  Trying to mock Christians for being ignorant when you're just as ignorant of history is not a good look.

You should feel bad for posting it, and the 17 people who smarted it as of this post should feel bad too.
 
2020-07-07 9:39:51 AM  

NEDM: You know who also existed during the "Christian Dark Ages"?   THE FARKING BYZANTINE EMPIRE, WHO CONSIDERED THEMSELVES THE BULWARK OF CHRISTIANITY FOR OVER A THOUSAND YEARS.  Do they magically not exist anymore?  Does their keeping the lantern of Rome lit for hundreds of years not count because reasons?


Yep. The largest basilica outside the Vatican was the Haggia Sophia in Constantinople.
 
2020-07-07 9:40:51 AM  
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2020-07-07 9:46:25 AM  

NEDM: Archie Goodwin: Frederick: BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.

Ah, religion -- where would humanity be without it?

[Fark user image 363x323]
Probably out hopping galaxies by now.

I hate that farking chart so much.  It's completely wrong, and that's not even getting into the non-Eurocentric take on scientific advancement or the fact that one of the axis is labeled as an unquantified "scientific advancement".  You know who also existed during the "Christian Dark Ages"?   THE FARKING BYZANTINE EMPIRE, WHO CONSIDERED THEMSELVES THE BULWARK OF CHRISTIANITY FOR OVER A THOUSAND YEARS.  Do they magically not exist anymore?  Does their keeping the lantern of Rome lit for hundreds of years not count because reasons?

The whole "Dark Age" myth was invented by the Renaissance wholesale, to brag about how they were finally reclaiming Rome's legacy and that everything that had come inbetween was not worth mentioning.  No real historian gives the term any credit, and the only people who throw it around now are Enlightened Gentlemen who like to scoff it as they tip their fedoras just so.  Trying to mock Christians for being ignorant when you're just as ignorant of history is not a good look.

You should feel bad for posting it, and the 17 people who smarted it as of this post should feel bad too.


It's way easier to blame "Christianity" instead of climate change, plague, endemic warfare, Justinian's megalomania, the Arab Conquest's disruption of the Egyptian papyrus trade, Arab piracy in the Mediterranean, and a host of other factors.

Also, just a thought- has Italy had a ruler of Theodoric the Great's caliber since the fall of the Visigoth Kingdom? The Fall of Rome didn't screw Italy. The Eastern Romans screwed Italy.
 
2020-07-07 9:49:07 AM  

Riothamus: NEDM: Archie Goodwin: Frederick: BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.

Ah, religion -- where would humanity be without it?

[Fark user image 363x323]
Probably out hopping galaxies by now.

I hate that farking chart so much.  It's completely wrong, and that's not even getting into the non-Eurocentric take on scientific advancement or the fact that one of the axis is labeled as an unquantified "scientific advancement".  You know who also existed during the "Christian Dark Ages"?   THE FARKING BYZANTINE EMPIRE, WHO CONSIDERED THEMSELVES THE BULWARK OF CHRISTIANITY FOR OVER A THOUSAND YEARS.  Do they magically not exist anymore?  Does their keeping the lantern of Rome lit for hundreds of years not count because reasons?

The whole "Dark Age" myth was invented by the Renaissance wholesale, to brag about how they were finally reclaiming Rome's legacy and that everything that had come inbetween was not worth mentioning.  No real historian gives the term any credit, and the only people who throw it around now are Enlightened Gentlemen who like to scoff it as they tip their fedoras just so.  Trying to mock Christians for being ignorant when you're just as ignorant of history is not a good look.

You should feel bad for posting it, and the 17 people who smarted it as of this post should feel bad too.

It's way easier to blame "Christianity" instead of climate change, plague, endemic warfare, Justinian's megalomania, the Arab Conquest's disruption of the Egyptian papyrus trade, Arab piracy in the Mediterranean, and a host of other factors.

Also, just a thought- has Italy had a ruler of Theodoric the Great's caliber since the fall of the Visigoth Ostrogoth Kingdom? The Fall of Rome didn't screw Italy. The Eastern Romans screwed Italy.


FTFM, but it's accurate either way.
 
2020-07-07 9:50:59 AM  

cretinbob: [Fark user image image 425x352]


He should regret it in the presence of many lawsuits, imo. Start making these assholes face liability for willfully spreading inflections disease.
 
2020-07-07 9:51:12 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: GoldSpider: How is this any different from the morons packing themselves into bars?

I scoff at religious kookery as much as anyone here, but let's not pretend that this is only happening in churches.

well the people going to bars are likely caught in the grip of an addiction they're helpless to...

oh, right. I see.


Everyone who drinks is an alcoholic.  Got it.
 
2020-07-07 9:58:12 AM  
at least he learned his lesson...

he's reopening, you say?

oh ffs these people are morons
 
2020-07-07 10:21:44 AM  

waxbeans: Live stream on Facebook.
Jesus, just, ignore the obviously I guess?
At this point 🦆 humanity


Live streaming for churches is a not insignificant segment of the market. (Same with lighting - there's way more churches than music venues.) Once Covid hit, any church not already live streaming went out and bought basically all the streaming gear they could find. A lot of the more traditional congregations were on the fence but by the 2nd week everyone's board voted to spend the money and suddenly everything was out of stock.

Same with FM transmitters for "parking lot" services.
 
2020-07-07 10:26:08 AM  
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2020-07-07 10:46:23 AM  
Texas
 
2020-07-07 11:21:55 AM  

BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.


That's actually a crime if minors are involved.
 
2020-07-07 12:33:17 PM  

GoldSpider: How is this any different from the morons packing themselves into bars?

I scoff at religious kookery as much as anyone here, but let's not pretend that this is only happening in churches.


False equivalency in play.

A better take would recognize both groups are idiots, for totally different reasons. First and foremost? Church's CLAIMto uphold principles based on caring, for at least, their cultists. Bars make no such claims.
 
2020-07-07 12:38:06 PM  
These folks can't get the COVID! They are all "drenched in the blood o' JAYSUS!!!"

...and the virus-laden breath of their fellow church-goers.

/dumbasses
 
2020-07-07 12:40:10 PM  

edmo: BumpInTheNight: Figure of authority coerces vulnerable group of people into life-threatening danger.

That's actually a crime if minors are involved.


Interesting point, and you bet there likely were some.
 
2020-07-07 2:06:27 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: You would prefer a Russia-China alliance? Nixon's strategy was to cause a rivalry between the two.


I would have, since neither would've opened up to Western technology.

Two corpses propping each other up isn't all that dangerous.

Now, though...we all get to watch and see if China can pull off a high-tech totalitarian state; signs point to yes.
 
2020-07-07 3:52:09 PM  

Bslim: GoldSpider: How is this any different from the morons packing themselves into bars?

I scoff at religious kookery as much as anyone here, but let's not pretend that this is only happening in churches.

False equivalency in play.

A better take would recognize both groups are idiots, for totally different reasons. First and foremost? Church's CLAIMto uphold principles based on caring, for at least, their cultists. Bars make no such claims.


I wasn't comparing the establishments' respective mission statements, just the idiots who patronize them believing they are protected (by youth, God) from COVID.
 
2020-07-07 4:58:12 PM  
Pastor: "None of our people had it during the shutdown"?
No, dude, none of your people KNEW they had it and told you about it.  How many of them were tested? Probably very few, unless they were medical workers or had other reasons to get tested.
 
2020-07-07 11:39:48 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: 1funguy: Izunbacol: PunGent: Izunbacol: As if the Muslim world wasn't pushing the state of the art during those "Christian Dark Ages." passing off Indian ideas as their own.

FTFY.

Plus, they seem to have fallen down on the whole "beacon to humanity" thing these last few centuries :)

/don't blame me...the locals are the ones voting with their feet
//immigration/emigration stats don't lie

Archie Goodwin: Hell, for 500 years the Islamic world led the way in science and culture and what happened? Religion & war got in the way.

Real answer: Economic peripheralization.  Southwest Asia was the center of gravity for the world economy for a long time - think of the silk road, the global crossroads of trade.  Having your lands as the nexus of economic activity brings ideas, brings wealth, and brings the spare capacity to pursue science and knowledge.

The discovery of the New World shifted that crossroads west, and the development of long distance sailing simultaneously allowed the east and west to bypass the old crossroads.  In place of the once grand trade routes through southwest Asia and Ottoman lands, we saw the merchants of Europe running wildly profitable trade routes in the Atlantic.  The Muslim world has been on the defensive since - the Ottomans tried to modernize their infrastructure on a superficial level, like cargo cultists, with the professionalized bureaucracies, military ceremonies, and at one point, constitutional reforms.

Egypt tried (under strong 'suggestion' from the British) to establish itself as an alternative cotton empire to the U.S.  And, as always seems to happen when fate and misfortune rain down, a large fundamentalist religious movement took hold - when things are bad, people want to know why, and there is always a cleric selling the "God is mad at us because we've been backsliding" angle.  You see the exact same thing in the U.S., where the Civil War, boll weevil, and topsoil depletion turned the south into political and economic backwater for a century, and spurred hardline fundamentalist religion.

Our sense of entitlement and exceptionalism leads us to see the United States as the heir to the great Western civilizations - Greece, Rome, British - but we're actually quite comfortably situated as just the most prominent of the Western hemisphere presidential republics.  It pains me to write it, but we have far more in common with the political extremism, violent reprisals, and banana republican kleptocracies of Latin America than we'd like to admit.  We look to the fall of Rome as our "this too shall end" tale of warning, but I feel we look at the wrong story - the collapse of the Ottoman Empire is far more foreboding: a formerly massive, powerful, cohesive, and diverse empire that slowly ran aground due to political incompetence, decaying infrastructure, economic blunder, insurgent nationalist movements, and increased economic perhipheralization.

Especially with the center of gravity moving East at a startling pace:

[Fark user image image 694x384]

Nixon's to blame.
Never should have recognized China.

You would prefer a Russia-China alliance? Nixon's strategy was to cause a rivalry between the two.


Rivalry was already there.
 
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