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2020-07-08 10:06:54 AM  

garron: soporific: bglove25: PickleBarrel: bglove25: If you don't like what JK Rowling says or thinks, don't listen to her. Problem solved.

That does not solve the problem because what she says harms others.

Speech is not violence. Sorry. Heck, she never even threatens violence.

It is often used to justify violence. You don't get credit for not threatening violence when you find yourself in wholehearted agreement with those who do. Especially when they turn around and use your words to justify their violence.

By your logic, we can hold you personally responsible and destroy your life because you are in political agreement with the following people:

- James Hodgkinson - leftist activist who shot Congressman Steve Scalise

The ideals you support sparked this violence.  So now we can some after you personally right?


A hero that I wish had had better aim.

Execute the traitors.
 
2020-07-08 10:34:51 AM  

Eclectic: thatguyoverthere70: These threads stress me out.

They suck the life out of me. The same tired-ass "I'm not anti-trans, but..." arguments in every single thread for the 17 years I've been on Fark. The individual posters are slightly different from thread to thread, but it's the same script.

I've tried hard to educate. To be visible, at least. To push back against the worst of it. But it gets so old. And when we reach a saturation point like we have this week with four Rowling/trans threads in 72 hours, most of us in the Fark trans community have to walk away for our mental health. Which unfortunately means that sometimes the threads get even worse.

I am so grateful for the allies that fight for us when we're not here, because we just get ground to paste and need breaks.


It's good you took a break yesterday.  There was/is a massive thread on Rowling mewling about how unfair it is that she can't spread transphobic bullshiat without consequences.

It's come out that the trans author was not told who would be signing the letter with her and withdrew herself after publication when she realised she was aligning herself with Rowling.
 
2020-07-08 2:21:47 PM  

thatguyoverthere70: truthandjustice: thatguyoverthere70: truthandjustice: You do not have the right to control the way any one else thinks. You do not have the ABILITY to control the way anyone else thinks.

If you truly believe this, then stop acting like you're the victim.

Say what now.
Not THAT is projection.
???
Please point to my victim act. When did it happen? What time.. which post ... where ??

1. The thread from a couple of days ago where you said you were there because you were morbidly fascinated to see other liberals attacking you.

2. Your initial writings in this thread, where you just had to point out that you agree with that farker and you also think your fellow liberals are so mean and that they try to dictate what others think and say.

3. The post I responded to and quoted directly above where you say "You do not have the right to control the way any one else thinks. You do not have the ABILITY to control the way anyone else thinks" Because for you this is all about the feelings you get when YOU get when YOU feel attacked and when YOU think it's all about someone trying to control the way YOU think. For you, this isn't about trans people and their rights, it's about your right to say you agree with JK Rowling.

If you want to agree with Rowling, go for it. No one here has stopped you.


oh wow I have a stalker.

First, DO NOT LIE.
It's ugly. And God don't like ugly.

I never said anything about anyone being "mean".
I think it's sad - for liberals - that they feel like they can control other's thoughts.
It is a sad realization in life when you learn the truth that - the only one you can control is yourself.
And it's frustrating when you want to control the way others see you and perceive you, when you literally cannot. Again, all you can control is your own reactions.
But then as you mature you realize that it's not so frustrating - it can be empowering to learn this. Because YOU get to decide how you will react, and who you will put on mute.
There's a quote by Eleanor Roosevelt that I love. You've probably seen it:
"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."

Your number 3 post is major projection. I don't feel at all attacked by people trying to control my thoughts. They can bang their head against a wall all they want. It just isn't something that is possible to do - which is what I was pointing out in my post that you read so much into.

I don't know which trans issue you think I'm against, but I'm totally for equal rights and justice for everyone - and please use whatever restroom you want.
And I honestly don't know much about Rowling. I've never even read her books or seen the movies based on them. I don't think she's evil though. Most people aren't.
 
2020-07-08 2:24:42 PM  

thatguyoverthere70: These threads stress me out.


That's because you are trying to do the impossible.
You can't control others thoughts.
Give it up.
 
2020-07-08 2:37:51 PM  

truthandjustice: thatguyoverthere70: truthandjustice: thatguyoverthere70: truthandjustice: You do not have the right to control the way any one else thinks. You do not have the ABILITY to control the way anyone else thinks.

If you truly believe this, then stop acting like you're the victim.

Say what now.
Not THAT is projection.
???
Please point to my victim act. When did it happen? What time.. which post ... where ??

1. The thread from a couple of days ago where you said you were there because you were morbidly fascinated to see other liberals attacking you.

2. Your initial writings in this thread, where you just had to point out that you agree with that farker and you also think your fellow liberals are so mean and that they try to dictate what others think and say.

3. The post I responded to and quoted directly above where you say "You do not have the right to control the way any one else thinks. You do not have the ABILITY to control the way anyone else thinks" Because for you this is all about the feelings you get when YOU get when YOU feel attacked and when YOU think it's all about someone trying to control the way YOU think. For you, this isn't about trans people and their rights, it's about your right to say you agree with JK Rowling.

If you want to agree with Rowling, go for it. No one here has stopped you.

oh wow I have a stalker.

First, DO NOT LIE.
It's ugly. And God don't like ugly.

I never said anything about anyone being "mean".
I think it's sad - for liberals - that they feel like they can control other's thoughts.
It is a sad realization in life when you learn the truth that - the only one you can control is yourself.
And it's frustrating when you want to control the way others see you and perceive you, when you literally cannot. Again, all you can control is your own reactions.
But then as you mature you realize that it's not so frustrating - it can be empowering to learn this. Because YOU get to decide how you will react, and who you will put on mute.
There ...


Believe whatever you want, but upthread you called yourself a liberal and in this comment you used the third person to refer to liberals which is the point of view people use to refer to a group to which they do not belong. So which is it?

Also, please stop conflating leftism and liberalism. All Americans are liberals by definition under the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
 
2020-07-08 2:51:23 PM  

Enomai: truthandjustice: thatguyoverthere70: truthandjustice: thatguyoverthere70: truthandjustice: You do not have the right to control the way any one else thinks. You do not have the ABILITY to control the way anyone else thinks.

If you truly believe this, then stop acting like you're the victim.

Say what now.
Not THAT is projection.
???
Please point to my victim act. When did it happen? What time.. which post ... where ??

1. The thread from a couple of days ago where you said you were there because you were morbidly fascinated to see other liberals attacking you.

2. Your initial writings in this thread, where you just had to point out that you agree with that farker and you also think your fellow liberals are so mean and that they try to dictate what others think and say.

3. The post I responded to and quoted directly above where you say "You do not have the right to control the way any one else thinks. You do not have the ABILITY to control the way anyone else thinks" Because for you this is all about the feelings you get when YOU get when YOU feel attacked and when YOU think it's all about someone trying to control the way YOU think. For you, this isn't about trans people and their rights, it's about your right to say you agree with JK Rowling.

If you want to agree with Rowling, go for it. No one here has stopped you.

oh wow I have a stalker.

First, DO NOT LIE.
It's ugly. And God don't like ugly.

I never said anything about anyone being "mean".
I think it's sad - for liberals - that they feel like they can control other's thoughts.
It is a sad realization in life when you learn the truth that - the only one you can control is yourself.
And it's frustrating when you want to control the way others see you and perceive you, when you literally cannot. Again, all you can control is your own reactions.
But then as you mature you realize that it's not so frustrating - it can be empowering to learn this. Because YOU get to decide how you will react, and who you will p ...


I'm a liberal. I am not a liberal who believes in controlling other's thoughts.
And I may not be political enough for y'all.
I don't even know what "leftist" is. I wonder every time I see it, but can't be bothered to google it for some reason.
Think I'll do that now..
 
2020-07-08 3:07:13 PM  

Enomai: Also, please stop conflating leftism and liberalism. All Americans are liberals by definition under the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.


Please show me where I did this. I never use the word "leftism".
Also, seems I'm not alone in my - liberal - confusion:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outloo​k​/2019/09/12/stop-calling-bernie-sander​s-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-liberals/
 
2020-07-08 3:10:04 PM  

truthandjustice: And I honestly don't know much about Rowling. I've never even read her books or seen the movies based on them. I don't think she's evil though. Most people aren't.

truthandjustice: I don't even know what "leftist" is. I wonder every time I see it, but can't be bothered to google it for some reason.


You certainly have a lot of firm opinions and speak a lot on topics you admit to having little knowledge of.
 
2020-07-08 3:19:09 PM  

Khellendros: truthandjustice: And I honestly don't know much about Rowling. I've never even read her books or seen the movies based on them. I don't think she's evil though. Most people aren't.
truthandjustice: I don't even know what "leftist" is. I wonder every time I see it, but can't be bothered to google it for some reason.

You certainly have a lot of firm opinions and speak a lot on topics you admit to having little knowledge of.


Liar.*
I haven't spoken about leftists. I don't even use that word.


*Just a statement of fact.
 
2020-07-08 3:38:03 PM  

truthandjustice: Enomai: Also, please stop conflating leftism and liberalism. All Americans are liberals by definition under the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Please show me where I did this. I never use the word "leftism".
Also, seems I'm not alone in my - liberal - confusion:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook​/2019/09/12/stop-calling-bernie-sander​s-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-liberals/


You didn't. I'm inferring from your diction that when you refer to thought controlling liberals that you are actually describing leftists, who are authoritarian. Liberalism concerns the tenets of the first amendment and the consent of the governed and that's it. So anyone who is "anti-liberalism" is saying, based on what that word means, that they don't believe in free speech, the right to peacefully assemble, and the free press. The WaPo article you link to gets to the point I'm making. And though I personally find both disagreeable, David Rubin had Ben Shapiro on his podcast and this exact point was made to the extent that even Ben Shapiro recognized the importance of not saying liberal when you mean leftist.

This thought control issue that you have is not something that a liberal would disagree with you on is my point. You can have authoritarians on both the left and right side of the political spectrum.
 
2020-07-08 3:54:46 PM  
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2020-07-08 4:03:43 PM  

Enomai: truthandjustice: Enomai: Also, please stop conflating leftism and liberalism. All Americans are liberals by definition under the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Please show me where I did this. I never use the word "leftism".
Also, seems I'm not alone in my - liberal - confusion:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook​/2019/09/12/stop-calling-bernie-sander​s-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-liberals/

You didn't. I'm inferring from your diction that when you refer to thought controlling liberals that you are actually describing leftists, who are authoritarian. Liberalism concerns the tenets of the first amendment and the consent of the governed and that's it. So anyone who is "anti-liberalism" is saying, based on what that word means, that they don't believe in free speech, the right to peacefully assemble, and the free press. The WaPo article you link to gets to the point I'm making. And though I personally find both disagreeable, David Rubin had Ben Shapiro on his podcast and this exact point was made to the extent that even Ben Shapiro recognized the importance of not saying liberal when you mean leftist.

This thought control issue that you have is not something that a liberal would disagree with you on is my point. You can have authoritarians on both the left and right side of the political spectrum.


Yes.
I realized what you were getting at when I got to this part of the article:
"Differences between liberalism and radicalism also surface in our ceaseless debates over free speech on campus, online and elsewhere. Seeing equal rights as the cornerstone of a just society, liberals insist speakers should not be silenced for expressing unpopular or offensive views.
A growing faction on the far left, however, mirroring elements of the religious right, favors denying free-speech rights to those who hold ideas it believes crosses inviolable lines - leading to incidents like the assaults on political scientist Charles Murray at Middlebury College or conservative journalist Andy Ngo in Portland, Ore. (The appropriateness of preemptive violence can also be a dividing line between liberalism and radicalism.)"


And now that I've read about it, I would not call myself a Leftist - Progressive... Liberal? Sure.
 
2020-07-08 4:07:34 PM  

truthandjustice: Khellendros: truthandjustice: And I honestly don't know much about Rowling. I've never even read her books or seen the movies based on them. I don't think she's evil though. Most people aren't.
truthandjustice: I don't even know what "leftist" is. I wonder every time I see it, but can't be bothered to google it for some reason.

You certainly have a lot of firm opinions and speak a lot on topics you admit to having little knowledge of.

Liar.*
I haven't spoken about leftists. I don't even use that word.

*Just a statement of fact.


If you're talking about politics and political definitions, and don't know what leftism is, you don't understand politics.  It's like talking about transportation, but not knowing what railroads or ships are.  Kind of an important component.

Joe: "Well, Ted, I'm the foremost expert on PCs you'll find in the state!"

Ted: "Really?  Wow, great!  What's the best hard drive on the commercial market?"

Joe: "Huh?  What's a 'hard drive'?  Is that some sort of motorcycle?"
 
2020-07-08 4:10:11 PM  

truthandjustice: "Differences between liberalism and radicalism also surface in our ceaseless debates over free speech on campus, online and elsewhere. Seeing equal rights as the cornerstone of a just society, liberals insist speakers should not be silenced for expressing unpopular or offensive views.A growing faction on the far left, however, mirroring elements of the religious right, favors denying free-speech rights to those who hold ideas it believes crosses inviolable lines - leading to incidents like the assaults on political scientist Charles Murray at Middlebury College or conservative journalist Andy Ngo in Portland, Ore. (The appropriateness of preemptive violence can also be a dividing line between liberalism and radicalism.)"And now that I've read about it, I would not call myself a Leftist - Progressive... Liberal? Sure.


Being a "radical" is not the same as being "progressive" or "leftist".  Try again.
 
2020-07-08 4:59:09 PM  

truthandjustice: And now that I've read about it, I would not call myself a Leftist - Progressive... Liberal? Sure.


I would not call myself a Leftist. (fullstop)
Progressive?... Liberal?. Sure.
 
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