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(The Atlantic)   When did J.K. Rowling go from being Hermione to...well, the article says Voldemort but she's really acting like Umbridge   (theatlantic.com) divider line
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2020-07-07 5:39:15 AM  
Even the rich and famous are imperfect. News at 11.
 
2020-07-07 7:51:08 AM  
When was she ever Hermione?
 
2020-07-07 7:54:59 AM  
Why doesn't she just shut the hell up?
 
2020-07-07 7:55:51 AM  

Jake Havechek: Why doesn't she just shut the hell up?


Shut up and write?
 
2020-07-07 7:56:18 AM  
Maybe she's going senile?
 
2020-07-07 7:57:48 AM  
She comes off downright unhinged on this issue.
 
2020-07-07 7:58:01 AM  

Jake Havechek: Why doesn't she just shut the hell up?


Her handlers need to dart her.
 
2020-07-07 7:59:02 AM  

Jake Havechek: Why doesn't she just shut the hell up?


No, she should keep right on talking. She's her own worst enemy.
 
2020-07-07 8:00:08 AM  
Here's a great twitter thread from a trans person about how misinformation about trans folks promotes and exacerbates the conditions which lead to the murder of trans people. https://threadreaderapp.com/t​hread/127​9858678380802048.html
 
2020-07-07 8:00:25 AM  
This is very personal to me because a large part of my personality is wrapped up in identifying myself through a fake magic school she made up one night.
 
2020-07-07 8:07:19 AM  
If you don't like what JK Rowling says or thinks, don't listen to her. Problem solved.
 
2020-07-07 8:16:35 AM  
At this point, JK Rowling has become this generation's H.P. Lovecraft.

She created a fantastic world, with a lot of interesting lore that people will be talking about for ages. There will be fanfiction, movies, tv series, video games of the world she has created. The world she made will far outlive her.

However, the person behind those works has willfully chosen to be on the wrong side of history. The author's personal stances will forever color the perception of the fans and the general consensus will be to appreciate the works, but reject the person who made them.
 
2020-07-07 8:21:06 AM  

Jake Havechek: Why doesn't she just shut the hell up?


Because she's a TERF. Her particular anti-transgender mindset is rooted in feminism, she (incorrectly) believes trans women should be excluded in order to protect women both physically and socially, that including trans women as women undermines "real" women. So when you tell her to stop talking, she's not hearing that as legitimate criticism of her bigotry, she's hearing that as you being anti-feminist. So she keeps talking because she is trying to be a good person and defend women, she's just doing it in an incredibly hurtful and disrespectful way.
 
2020-07-07 8:22:16 AM  

bglove25: If you don't like what JK Rowling says or thinks, don't listen to her. Problem solved.


Liberals believe they have the right to control your thoughts and opinions.
 
2020-07-07 8:26:00 AM  
I think it's great that she gets a forum for her opinions funded by folks who are only interested in the value of her as clickbait.
 
2020-07-07 8:29:13 AM  

Trik: bglove25: If you don't like what JK Rowling says or thinks, don't listen to her. Problem solved.

Liberals believe they have the right to control your thoughts and opinions.


Oh and that they have the right to punish you until you comply.
 
2020-07-07 8:29:42 AM  
Famous authors were always puds, but social media wasn't there for Mark Twain to let us know his feelings on whatever the hot topics of 1888 were.
 
2020-07-07 8:30:31 AM  

Mr_Vimes: When was she ever Hermione?


She's claimed a few times that Hermoine is more or less her surrogate, and that Ron was wish-fulfillment of some childhood crush, which she eventually admitted may not have been a proper fit for the character by the end of the series. The fact that she unknowingly wrote her to be an infinitely better person than the real thing is funny, but also farked up
 
2020-07-07 8:31:04 AM  

Trik: bglove25: If you don't like what JK Rowling says or thinks, don't listen to her. Problem solved.

Liberals believe they have the right to control your thoughts and opinions.


You mean like having to stand for the farkin' national anthem?
 
2020-07-07 8:31:28 AM  

Wraithstrike: At this point, JK Rowling has become this generation's H.P. Lovecraft.

She created a fantastic world, with a lot of interesting lore that people will be talking about for ages. There will be fanfiction, movies, tv series, video games of the world she has created. The world she made will far outlive her.

However, the person behind those works has willfully chosen to be on the wrong side of history. The author's personal stances will forever color the perception of the fans and the general consensus will be to appreciate the works, but reject the person who made them.


Not even close
 
2020-07-07 8:31:33 AM  
Read Another Book
 
2020-07-07 8:35:02 AM  

karl2025: Because she's a TERF. Her particular anti-transgender mindset is rooted in feminism, she (incorrectly) believes trans women should be excluded in order to protect women both physically and socially, that including trans women as women undermines "real" women. So when you tell her to stop talking, she's not hearing that as legitimate criticism of her bigotry, she's hearing that as you being anti-feminist. So she keeps talking because she is trying to be a good person and defend women, she's just doing it in an incredibly hurtful and disrespectful way.


Well, she has some valid points worth exploring don't you think? In a time where biological females are getting beaten fairly brutally in MMA fights, Lesbians are being demonetized and de-platformed for simply stating that as a Lesbian they are absolutely not sexually attracted to male dangly parts.

So, stipulating implicitly that the Trans community is suffering and we need to alleviate that suffering in the best way we know how. Also stipulating that social constructs exist and that one persons "Truth" is just as valid as another's, so this is not about debating the validity of any one persons "Identity"

What this comes down to, is should Gender be separated from Biological sex. My contention and that of JK Rowling is no. The reason behind this being I believe that social constructs exist to "describe" reality, and not "define" it.

In my opinion Gender as a social construct described the "Truth" that is biological sex. So while we agree that Gender is a social construct we disagree on it's purpose.

This is more of a philosophical question as it regards to which "Truth" we wish to apply to the country at large with regards to legislation? The Subjective Truth or The Objective Truth. I fall on the Objective side.

D you believe Reality is a hierarchy of Social Constructs with a power dynamic relationship or do you believe there is such a thing as Objective Reality and Social Constructs are used to describe that reality?
 
2020-07-07 8:36:12 AM  
Uh, never? We've been over how sexist and racist and, generally, posh the HP novels are a million times at this point.

Hell even John Oliver took a swing at her for the Scottish referendum.
 
2020-07-07 8:36:14 AM  

baka-san: Jake Havechek: Why doesn't she just shut the hell up?

Shut up and write?


Trouble is she's writing on twitter.
 
2020-07-07 8:36:41 AM  

Marcos P: Maybe she's going senile?


Maybe someone is using the imperious curse on her?
 
2020-07-07 8:39:18 AM  

bglove25: If you don't like what JK Rowling says or thinks, don't listen to her. Problem solved.


The trouble is she has so many followers on her twitter, that if her bigoted beliefs aren't countered, then that will make life worse for the transgender community.
 
2020-07-07 8:40:04 AM  
While the HP books were fun, they DID have some rather fascist overtones to them in retrospect.

Think of the analogy for slavery and race relations with house elves, or how Hagrid was treated because of his half-giant ancestry.

Think about how apparently they have absolutely no problem with outright torture in their prisons, given what Azkaban is like, not to mention the I found whole thing with the dementors kiss to be profoundly disturbing when I was reading them. . .literally destroying people's souls with only the most prefunctory of judicial process.

Think about the level of dystopian surveillance needed to make their laws about wizardry work.

Then the level of secrecy required.  If you just happen, as a child, to have magical talent. . .suddenly you have to keep it from the world, and can't use it except when and where you're allowed, and have to go to a boarding school for years to get that permission.

The more you peel back the layers, there's a lot of right-wing fantasies about power, control, and racial identity in HP.

It's glossed over because you see it from the POV of a young boy who is gifted, popular, inherits a small fortune, and finds the whole scenario to be an escape from an abusive home life. . .but for many (or most) other students there it would be far less ideal.

JK being a TERF isn't THAT much of a surprise when you step back and look at it.
 
2020-07-07 8:47:15 AM  

Trik: bglove25: If you don't like what JK Rowling says or thinks, don't listen to her. Problem solved.

Liberals believe they have the right to control your thoughts and opinions. call you out when you say stupid  shiat.


FTFY.
 
2020-07-07 8:47:26 AM  

Invisible Obama: While the HP books were fun, they DID have some rather fascist overtones to them in retrospect.

Think of the analogy for slavery and race relations with house elves, or how Hagrid was treated because of his half-giant ancestry.

Think about how apparently they have absolutely no problem with outright torture in their prisons, given what Azkaban is like, not to mention the I found whole thing with the dementors kiss to be profoundly disturbing when I was reading them. . .literally destroying people's souls with only the most prefunctory of judicial process.

Think about the level of dystopian surveillance needed to make their laws about wizardry work.

Then the level of secrecy required.  If you just happen, as a child, to have magical talent. . .suddenly you have to keep it from the world, and can't use it except when and where you're allowed, and have to go to a boarding school for years to get that permission.

The more you peel back the layers, there's a lot of right-wing fantasies about power, control, and racial identity in HP.

It's glossed over because you see it from the POV of a young boy who is gifted, popular, inherits a small fortune, and finds the whole scenario to be an escape from an abusive home life. . .but for many (or most) other students there it would be far less ideal.

JK being a TERF isn't THAT much of a surprise when you step back and look at it.


And you didn't even mention how the goblin bankers are crook nosed, showing her anti-Semitic feelings.
 
2020-07-07 8:47:53 AM  

bglove25: If you don't like what JK Rowling says or thinks, don't listen to her. Problem solved.


It's not me i'm worried about, it's the LITERAL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS who are citing her manifesto in an effort to stop "the gay agenda".

She has a platform, so like it or not she's an influencer and we HAVE to engage with her.
 
2020-07-07 8:48:25 AM  

Bloomin Bloomberg: huh. today's "JK Rowling hate" thread is early.

keep fighting the good fight JK -the civilized majority science and medical-denying bigots stands with you.


FTFY
 
2020-07-07 8:57:58 AM  

Invisible Obama: While the HP books were fun, they DID have some rather fascist overtones to them in retrospect.

Think of the analogy for slavery and race relations with house elves, or how Hagrid was treated because of his half-giant ancestry.

Think about how apparently they have absolutely no problem with outright torture in their prisons, given what Azkaban is like, not to mention the I found whole thing with the dementors kiss to be profoundly disturbing when I was reading them. . .literally destroying people's souls with only the most prefunctory of judicial process.

Think about the level of dystopian surveillance needed to make their laws about wizardry work.

Then the level of secrecy required.  If you just happen, as a child, to have magical talent. . .suddenly you have to keep it from the world, and can't use it except when and where you're allowed, and have to go to a boarding school for years to get that permission.

The more you peel back the layers, there's a lot of right-wing fantasies about power, control, and racial identity in HP.

It's glossed over because you see it from the POV of a young boy who is gifted, popular, inherits a small fortune, and finds the whole scenario to be an escape from an abusive home life. . .but for many (or most) other students there it would be far less ideal.

JK being a TERF isn't THAT much of a surprise when you step back and look at it.


Hey now, House Elves were happy in their slavery and most were well treated by owners like Dumbledore.
No one would ever make such an argument about real-world slavery.
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2020-07-07 8:58:40 AM  

Invisible Obama: While the HP books were fun, they DID have some rather fascist overtones to them in retrospect.

Think of the analogy for slavery and race relations with house elves, or how Hagrid was treated because of his half-giant ancestry.

Think about how apparently they have absolutely no problem with outright torture in their prisons, given what Azkaban is like, not to mention the I found whole thing with the dementors kiss to be profoundly disturbing when I was reading them. . .literally destroying people's souls with only the most prefunctory of judicial process.

Think about the level of dystopian surveillance needed to make their laws about wizardry work.

Then the level of secrecy required.  If you just happen, as a child, to have magical talent. . .suddenly you have to keep it from the world, and can't use it except when and where you're allowed, and have to go to a boarding school for years to get that permission.

The more you peel back the layers, there's a lot of right-wing fantasies about power, control, and racial identity in HP.

It's glossed over because you see it from the POV of a young boy who is gifted, popular, inherits a small fortune, and finds the whole scenario to be an escape from an abusive home life. . .but for many (or most) other students there it would be far less ideal.

JK being a TERF isn't THAT much of a surprise when you step back and look at it.


They were books written for children. Children do not analyze story books on this level, because they're children.
 
2020-07-07 8:58:52 AM  

meanmutton: Bloomin Bloomberg: huh. today's "JK Rowling hate" thread is early.

keep fighting the good fight JK -the civilized majority science and medical-denying bigots stands with you.

FTFY


This confuses me, "Gender is a social construct that is separate from Sex" has no basis in scientific reasoning and cannot be proven through the Scientific Method. It's just a philosophical thought experiment at this point.

So which side are you calling "science and medical-denying bigots" ?
 
2020-07-07 9:10:45 AM  

CanisNoir: meanmutton: Bloomin Bloomberg: huh. today's "JK Rowling hate" thread is early.

keep fighting the good fight JK -the civilized majority science and medical-denying bigots stands with you.

FTFY

This confuses me, "Gender is a social construct that is separate from Sex" has no basis in scientific reasoning and cannot be proven through the Scientific Method. It's just a philosophical thought experiment at this point.

So which side are you calling "science and medical-denying bigots" ?


Probably the side whose argument is that gender is somehow pre-programmed but not observable across cultures.

As a guess.

Usually for the scientific method to apply, you need to replicate its results and just dismiss the vast multitude of contradictions as "outliers".

Otherwise global warming doesn't exist because it's only hot during the summer and winter. The rest of the time it perfectly fits into MY expectations!
 
2020-07-07 9:21:16 AM  
God damn, three of these in 3 days? Fark is really farming this topic right now. Has to be exhausting for trans people to keep defending this with the same posts pointed at different screen names.
 
2020-07-07 9:22:23 AM  

Trik: bglove25: If you don't like what JK Rowling says or thinks, don't listen to her. Problem solved.

Liberals believe they have the right to control your thoughts and opinions.


Awe, it's not easy being a bigoted racist these days Gramps!
 
2020-07-07 9:22:59 AM  

tira: Probably the side whose argument is that gender is somehow pre-programmed but not observable across cultures.


As far as I know nobody has made that claim. They have made the claim that Gender is a social construct that describes the objective reality that is Biological Sex.

Do you agree or disagree with that statement and why?
 
2020-07-07 9:23:22 AM  
"I have a billion dollars. I can say whatever I want. All you can do is deny me future dollars and Im fine with that."

All of her life's major accomplishments are in the past. SDGAF (She don't give a Fark). Sadly, I doubt you'll even get a mea culpa in the name of money, let alone earnest regret.
 
2020-07-07 9:26:44 AM  

Enomai: God damn, three of these in 3 days? Fark is really farming this topic right now. Has to be exhausting for trans people to keep defending this with the same posts pointed at different screen names.


As exhausting as it is for Lesbians having to defend themselves against accusations of Bigotry because they feel that not liking male sex organs is a large part of their Lesbian Identity.

Yes, it's exhausting but it's a debate that needs to be had.
 
2020-07-07 9:27:11 AM  

havocmike: Famous authors were always puds, but social media wasn't there for Mark Twain to let us know his feelings on whatever the hot topics of 1888 were.


Mark Twain was a pretty poor choice for that as he let a lot of people know his feelings on issues.

Tolkien is one that I admire but feel could get cornered by a Twitter mob (if he would deign to use such contraptions). At least he struggled with whether Orcs have souls and could be redeemable. Enough blabbing though would probably make Middle Earth a very "problematic" place.
 
2020-07-07 9:30:39 AM  

Karne: Trik: bglove25: If you don't like what JK Rowling says or thinks, don't listen to her. Problem solved.

Liberals believe they have the right to control your thoughts and opinions.

Awe, it's not easy being a bigoted racist these days Gramps!


Her opinions are not necessarily my opinions but I believe she has a right to them without someone shrieking racist bigot at her.
Don't like her, ignore her.

Only time I think about her is when someone here is calling her names because they believe they have a right to control her.
 
2020-07-07 9:32:09 AM  

CanisNoir: In my opinion Gender as a social construct described the "Truth" that is biological sex.


What truth is that?
 
2020-07-07 9:32:51 AM  
the moment you cared about the persons feelings, thoughts and imperfections, instead of caring about their body of work.
 
2020-07-07 9:33:49 AM  
meh... i was expecting something more outrageous.  but on the other hand doesn't she have anything better to do?  come on jk rowling, can't you do something a little more positive during this crazy time than criticize people for their own choices? jk's not even a trans, right?  (im wondering a little bit now...)  that'd be like me having a problem with other people getting boob jobs and tattoos.... who cares? not my beeswax

/i don't know anything about transgender hormone therapy other than it's for chicks with dicks to become more chicky and less dicky
 
2020-07-07 9:34:57 AM  
How dare she say publicly something that 99% of the world agrees with!
 
2020-07-07 9:37:07 AM  

Karne: Trik: bglove25: If you don't like what JK Rowling says or thinks, don't listen to her. Problem solved.

Liberals believe they have the right to control your thoughts and opinions.

Awe, it's not easy being a bigoted racist these days Gramps!


This is the kind of response that make Liberals look bad. It causes people to instantly disregard anything else you have to say, and it makes words like "bigot" lose all meaning.
 
2020-07-07 9:38:25 AM  
JK rowling was always white UK trash?
 
2020-07-07 9:40:14 AM  

batlock666: CanisNoir: In my opinion Gender as a social construct described the "Truth" that is biological sex.

What truth is that?


I would prefer you post your points to indicate you actually thought about this instead of just whipping out a wiki article. There are exceptions to every rule, especially in the imperfect system that is biological evolution. We do not make the rules based on the exception but rather the norm that can be quantified. That norm is "Male" and "Female"

In addition Intersex people are generally born with one or the other of their sexual organs having a larger size which is what is currently used to medically decide.

So I will ask again - do you believe that Reality is just a hierarchy of social constructs existing within a power dynamic or do you believe that there is an Objective Reality?.

Do you believe Science is the search for the truth or the search to disprove the truth?

Those are the fundamental questions.
 
2020-07-07 9:42:17 AM  

kenshin5435: This is the kind of response that make Liberals look bad. It causes people to instantly disregard anything else you have to say, and it makes words like "bigot" lose all meaning.


Actually it's the type of response that is making "Classical Liberals" leave the movement, it's make the Progressive Left look bad. The fractures have been happening for a while now.
 
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