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(YouTube)   Someone "fixed" the climax of The Rise of Skywalker by adding Obi-Wan, Anakin, Yoda and Luke Force ghosts. Now get to work on the other two hours and twenty minutes   (youtube.com) divider line
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2020-07-07 1:34:49 PM  

mjbok: Lord Bear: Am I the only one that liked the prequel trilogy better than the sequel trilogy?  The prequels were bad, but had had better villains and a coherent story.  It also didn't turn my childhood heroes into washed up losers.

My other hot take: Baby Yoda is a million times more cloying than the Ewoks ever were.

No, you're not.  For all their failures the prequels felt epic, expansive, and had a cohesive narrative.  The sequel trilogy felt like it took place in a very small universe.


It could go either way.
Prequels: Good story, dogshiat characters
Sequels: Dogshiat story, good characters

I give the edge to the sequels because its easier to save a bad story with good characters than vice versa.
 
2020-07-07 1:53:06 PM  
Maybe someone's already mentioned it, but these 4 Jedi aren't the only Jedi. Arguably, Obi Wan isn't even a very significant Jedi in the grand scheme of things. And why is Anakin his younger self, but Yoda isn't his bouncy younger self either?

This video adds nothing to canon, and only makes a terrible movie worse.

But maybe the guy was providing this as a video resume of his video editing skills. In that sense, it works. The addition of the Jedi is seamless, which is good. Hopefully he isn't trying to get a writing job, because he surely doesn't have any idea how to improve a story.
 
2020-07-07 1:53:35 PM  

browntimmy: mjbok: Lord Bear: Am I the only one that liked the prequel trilogy better than the sequel trilogy?  The prequels were bad, but had had better villains and a coherent story.  It also didn't turn my childhood heroes into washed up losers.

My other hot take: Baby Yoda is a million times more cloying than the Ewoks ever were.

No, you're not.  For all their failures the prequels felt epic, expansive, and had a cohesive narrative.  The sequel trilogy felt like it took place in a very small universe.

It could go either way.
Prequels: Good story, dogshiat characters
Sequels: Dogshiat story, good characters

I give the edge to the sequels because its easier to save a bad story with good characters than vice versa.



It is weird how the prequels and the sequels are terrible in almost equally contradicting ways.  My theory is the prequels suck because of an auteur run amok, and the sequels suck because they're made by committee.  The originals work because there is a Balance, if you will, between the two.
 
2020-07-07 1:59:02 PM  
browntimmy:

I give the edge to the sequels because its easier to save a bad story with good characters than vice versa.

I kind of disagree.  The characters in the sequels really were not all that interesting.  Rey, Finn and Poe are fairly archetypal.  Not that its too out of step for Star Wars characters.  But the story made no sense from frame 1 of the new trilogy.

No real explanation was given for where the first order/snoke came from until it was poorly retconned later.  Why there was a 'resistance' within a galactic government made no sense either.  I even read some of the extended universe stuff, and it didn't help.

With a few minor tweaks to the prequels, and you have something decent:

1) Make Jar Jar less annoying.  You need a fool character to hand power over to Palpatine, but get rid of the egregious Jar Jar BS.  (And kid Anakin stuff, and Midicholorians)

2) The overall plot and set pieces are decent, but the scripts are not.  Punch up the dialogue to be less stilted, and the characters would be better as a result.

3) Give Anakin a slightly better reason for his heel turn.  I would suggest an affair (real or imagined) between Padme and Obi Wan.

4) Either handwave some of the political aspects, or go full Game of Thrones with it.  Going full GOT would be a pretty major change, but going the other way would just need a few edits and changes to the opening scrawls.

There are a few fan edits of TPM that reduce the annoying Jar Jar and Anakin stuff and the film is quite a bit better.
 
2020-07-07 2:00:19 PM  

buntz: I didn't like Rose's character in Last Jedi, but she didn't deserve what they did to her in Rise of Skywalker


She didn't deserve to be the idiot who 'saved' Finn from the Mobile Death Star either, but here we are.
 
2020-07-07 2:36:24 PM  
I would have really dug a Palpatine's daughter gone good in a 3 movies that are not garbage setting.

Sigh.
 
2020-07-07 2:43:37 PM  

We Ate the Necco Wafers: Maybe someone's already mentioned it, but these 4 Jedi aren't the only Jedi. Arguably, Obi Wan isn't even a very significant Jedi in the grand scheme of things. And why is Anakin his younger self, but Yoda isn't his bouncy younger self either?


The only people that knew how to be force ghosts were part of the Yoda/Qui-Gon training tree.
 
2020-07-07 2:47:27 PM  

mjbok: We Ate the Necco Wafers: Maybe someone's already mentioned it, but these 4 Jedi aren't the only Jedi. Arguably, Obi Wan isn't even a very significant Jedi in the grand scheme of things. And why is Anakin his younger self, but Yoda isn't his bouncy younger self either?

The only people that knew how to be force ghosts were part of the Yoda/Qui-Gon training tree.


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2020-07-07 3:30:28 PM  

dittybopper: brainlordmesomorph: Why stop there?

Someone should take that footage, and add all the Syth, too.

And then Jar-Jar, Dr Who, Kirk and Spock, and the cast of Red Dwarf.

And Lt. Gay Ellis from "UFO".


Dear God, YAAASSSS!
 
2020-07-07 4:42:03 PM  

Khellendros: dittybopper: You can't fix something that fundamentally broken.  Might as well try to run a hose down to the Titanic and pump air into it in the hopes you can refloat it.

It was fundamentally broken in the original trilogy.  Multiple internal retcons, inconsistent character motivations, breaks its own continuity rules, the list goes on and on.  We have rose colored glasses and a massive amount of nostalgia, due mostly to our age when first viewing it and the technical achievement it represented at the time.

The same problems existed in the sequel trilogy, and are magnified in our eyes because we have such a detailed understanding of what came before.


Yes, that's actually pretty true.

Despite what Lucas claims, he wrote a self-contained story in the original "Star Wars", and he added a beginning crawl to it like it was a serial from the 1930's.

But it's internally complete, and stands on its own.  The subsequent two films had shiat retconned in, but it wasn't as bad as it later became.  The three films stand as a trilogy, and while they aren't perfect, they're good enough.

However, it wasn't making money anymore.  But no one listened to Jud Crandall:

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2020-07-07 5:19:22 PM  

Eravior: I believe HISHE already fixed that.

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I consider this version canon.
 
2020-07-07 7:31:48 PM  

We Ate the Necco Wafers: mjbok: We Ate the Necco Wafers: Maybe someone's already mentioned it, but these 4 Jedi aren't the only Jedi. Arguably, Obi Wan isn't even a very significant Jedi in the grand scheme of things. And why is Anakin his younger self, but Yoda isn't his bouncy younger self either?

The only people that knew how to be force ghosts were part of the Yoda/Qui-Gon training tree.

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2020-07-08 12:13:03 AM  

Mad_Radhu: I feel like some people really can't let Rise of the Skywalker go. I saw it, felt it was a bit meh, and then moved on with my life and watched the Mandalorian. I just don't see the need to give it much more thought.


And yet here you are, giving us your thoughts.
 
2020-07-08 4:29:43 AM  

Fano: Mad_Radhu: I feel like some people really can't let Rise of the Skywalker go. I saw it, felt it was a bit meh, and then moved on with my life and watched the Mandalorian. I just don't see the need to give it much more thought.

The Mandalorian singlehandedly saved Star Wars for me. After the sucklitude of the Prequels and Sequels, it's wonderful to have something that still brings the magic of weird alien landscapes and characters. Not humans in Star Trek conference rooms.


Mandalorian is the same garbage.

2 "ok" episodes ending a season doesn't save all that unwatchable crap. Im sorry.
 
2020-07-08 9:53:36 AM  

We Ate the Necco Wafers: mjbok: We Ate the Necco Wafers: Maybe someone's already mentioned it, but these 4 Jedi aren't the only Jedi. Arguably, Obi Wan isn't even a very significant Jedi in the grand scheme of things. And why is Anakin his younger self, but Yoda isn't his bouncy younger self either?

The only people that knew how to be force ghosts were part of the Yoda/Qui-Gon training tree.

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It is literally discussed in the movies.
 
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2020-07-08 3:05:26 PM  
I liked Rise of Skywalker. The movie had a lot of baggage it needed to accomplish as the final movie: callbacks, making things pay off, high stakes (i.e. not Emo Ren), limited film of Carrie Fisher, ending with joy.  That it also stomped on the stupidity of The Last Jedi -- "I was wrong", "one in a million", validating Rose without making her part of the story, "you're nobody" -- was just a sweet bonus for me.

My top four films are now New Hope, Empire, Awakens, and Rise.
 
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