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(Indian Country Today)   Federal Judge: Get that oil out of the Dakota Access Pipeline now and shut it down. Did I stutter?   (indiancountrytoday.com) divider line
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3473 clicks; posted to Politics » on 06 Jul 2020 at 7:40 PM (5 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2020-07-06 12:44:05 PM  
Frantic appellate stay expected... as soon as they can find an appeals judge who hasn't gone fishing for the summer.
 
2020-07-06 1:16:28 PM  
I wonder how much oil they're moving through it anyway. Bakken production is pretty much stopped right now, isn't it?
 
2020-07-06 1:54:09 PM  
nice corporation you have there.
Be a shame if anything happened to it
 
2020-07-06 2:10:36 PM  
I hope this is for real.
 
2020-07-06 3:33:10 PM  
Ron Ness, president of the North Dakota Petroleum Council, called the ruling "shocking" and noted that the pipeline is moving 570,000 barrels of Bakken oil a day.
"I think there's a lot of questions about the authority of this liberal district court judge to make such a significant ruling," Ness said of Boasberg, who was appointed by former President Barack Obama.


And by "liberal district court judge" he means "Gosh, it sure would be wonderful if our magnificent and devastatingly handsome President Trump and his stalwart attorney general were to intervene."
 
2020-07-06 6:33:25 PM  
It's not that it's difficult to get the oil out of the pipeline, it's the difficulty with keeping oil in the pipeline.
 
2020-07-06 7:22:34 PM  

hobnail: I wonder how much oil they're moving through it anyway. Bakken production is pretty much stopped right now, isn't it?


It's in the article, 570,000 barrels a day. It will take approximately 800 rail tank cars per day to replace that capacity. (1 barrel oil = 42 gallons, each rail tank car is typically 30,000 gallons, IIRC).

I'm not saying the pipeline is right or good, but the Bakken crude has a high percentage of dissolved petroleum gases and is more volatile than other crude oils. That's a reason that Lac-Mégantic was such a kaboom. And that was a 74 car train, 1/10 of what's needed to move that much crude oil each day.
 
2020-07-06 7:43:21 PM  
Unobtanium:

So let's move it through your ancestral homeland without consent.
 
2020-07-06 7:44:34 PM  

Unobtanium: hobnail: I wonder how much oil they're moving through it anyway. Bakken production is pretty much stopped right now, isn't it?

It's in the article, 570,000 barrels a day. It will take approximately 800 rail tank cars per day to replace that capacity. (1 barrel oil = 42 gallons, each rail tank car is typically 30,000 gallons, IIRC).

I'm not saying the pipeline is right or good, but the Bakken crude has a high percentage of dissolved petroleum gases and is more volatile than other crude oils. That's a reason that Lac-Mégantic was such a kaboom. And that was a 74 car train, 1/10 of what's needed to move that much crude oil each day.


a few months ago the news stories were intimating that production on the Bakken formation was essentially shut down. In fact one of the oil companies up there declared bankruptcy.  Now, I have no idea if 570k bbl a day is a lot or not.  Maybe not, since according to your math it's only about four unit trains' worth.  Living near the main BNSF line into the Twin Cities from  ND, 4 train loads a day isn't much, or wasn't, at least, when the price was high. (And the majority of oil going to the refineries here comes by pipelines).
 
2020-07-06 7:45:07 PM  
This will be overturned when it's appealed. I doubt the oil will even stop flowing. Best lawyers money can buy, and all that.
 
2020-07-06 7:45:22 PM  
Looks like Trump didn't get enough judges seated after all.

Good.
 
2020-07-06 7:45:33 PM  

AuralArgument: Unobtanium:

So let's move it through your ancestral homeland without consent.


It goes around Standing Rock.
 
2020-07-06 7:47:12 PM  

Alien Robot: AuralArgument: Unobtanium:

So let's move it through your ancestral homeland without consent.

It goes around Standing Rock.


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2020-07-06 7:47:56 PM  

Unobtanium: It's in the article, 570,000 barrels a day. It will take approximately 800 rail tank cars per day to replace that capacity. (1 barrel oil = 42 gallons, each rail tank car is typically 30,000 gallons, IIRC).

I'm not saying the pipeline is right or good, but the Bakken crude has a high percentage of dissolved petroleum gases and is more volatile than other crude oils. That's a reason that Lac-Mégantic was such a kaboom. And that was a 74 car train, 1/10 of what's needed to move that much crude oil each day.



Then shut it down.  Our crude storage is already near the technical limits of our capacity so that production won't be missed for a while.  In the meanwhile the producers and shippers can work on completing their EIS paperwork to get in compliance.
 
2020-07-06 7:48:21 PM  
And the current EPA will just waive the whole requirements under the "emergency powers" Trump gave them.
 
2020-07-06 7:48:34 PM  
Text of appeal: "But we would lose money."

Trump appointee appelate judge: "Based on advise of my broker, the lower court is reversed."
 
2020-07-06 7:50:35 PM  
Sorry.  I can't math. 8 unit trains.

I just googled and 570k/day is the CAPACITY of the DAPL. I'd be shocked if it's actually shipping that much right now.
 
2020-07-06 7:54:13 PM  

AuralArgument: Unobtanium:

So let's move it through your ancestral homeland without consent.


Apropos of nothing, do you have a link to your signature pic that would get me a version where I could read the words?
 
2020-07-06 7:59:57 PM  
The pipeline company said it could lose $643 million in the second half of 2020 and $1.4 billion in 2021 if shut down. The court said: "All of these financial losses would be absorbed by the owners of Dakota Access," particularly Energy Transfer Partners, the current parent company of DAPL after a merger with Sunoco."

WHAT!?! Rich investors stand to lose some money? But then they will only still be rich investors!
Who cares about some people we stole a nation from and shoved onto the schittiest land around while promising them it was theirs to do with as they wished. We need it now, for personal profit!

The balls of these bastards...
 
2020-07-06 8:03:04 PM  

Alien Robot: Alien Robot: AuralArgument: Unobtanium:

So let's move it through your ancestral homeland without consent.

It goes around Standing Rock.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x790]


Maybe they don't want it on their doorstep.  When you consider the environmental impact of crude leaks and spills, I don't blame them.
 
2020-07-06 8:05:36 PM  

Alien Robot: Alien Robot: AuralArgument: Unobtanium:

So let's move it through your ancestral homeland without consent.

It goes around Standing Rock.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x790]


And right into their upstream water supply.
 
2020-07-06 8:07:53 PM  

Alien Robot: AuralArgument: Unobtanium:

So let's move it through your ancestral homeland without consent.

It goes around Standing Rock.


The point is, without a proper NEPA review we can't actually state that with certainty.

We know physical project bypasses Standing Rock, we don't know the same is true for the footprint of the project.
 
2020-07-06 8:07:57 PM  

UltimaCS: Alien Robot: Alien Robot: AuralArgument: Unobtanium:

So let's move it through your ancestral homeland without consent.

It goes around Standing Rock.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x790]

And right into their upstream water supply.


Not to mention the difference between "ancestral homeland" and current limits of the Standing Rock Sioux Reservation.
 
2020-07-06 8:09:25 PM  

AuralArgument: Unobtanium:

So let's move it through your ancestral homeland without consent.


Oh they're  so farking concerned let's build it right through their living room and make sure it's done by the lowest bidder.  Because hey, rail cars.
 
2020-07-06 8:17:58 PM  

abb3w: Frantic appellate stay expected... as soon as they can find an appeals judge who hasn't gone fishing for the summer.


This appeal goes to the D.C. Circuit. Of the eleven active judges on that bench, Trump has appointed only three. Still some Bush appointees, though.
 
2020-07-06 8:23:12 PM  

hobnail: Sorry.  I can't math. 8 unit trains.

I just googled and 570k/day is the CAPACITY of the DAPL. I'd be shocked if it's actually shipping that much right now.


Now that you mention it, train noise has been lower this spring/summer. Replaced with fireworks, but definitely less.
 
2020-07-06 8:28:52 PM  
Whew! I was worried this thread might devolve into hyperbole and whargarble.

<sarcasm/>
 
2020-07-06 8:38:49 PM  
*Neomi Rao starts warming up her vocal chords*
 
2020-07-06 8:40:51 PM  
If I know petropeeps they will be sure to spill half of it and maybe even accidentally ignite it on the way out .
 
2020-07-06 8:50:59 PM  

KickahaOta: Ron Ness, president of the North Dakota Petroleum Council, called the ruling "shocking" and noted that the pipeline is moving 570,000 barrels of Bakken oil a day.
"I think there's a lot of questions about the authority of this liberal district court judge to make such a significant ruling," Ness said of Boasberg, who was appointed by former President Barack Obama.

And by "liberal district court judge" he means "Gosh, it sure would be wonderful if our magnificent and devastatingly handsome President Trump and his stalwart attorney general were to intervene."


By "liberal judge," he means 40% of this country learns everything they need to know before learning the first actual relevant detail, because brainwashing.
 
2020-07-06 9:07:51 PM  

AuralArgument: Unobtanium:

So let's move it through your ancestral homeland without consent.


Oh, I am all for making the Corps and the Company do a full EIS process. I suspect that all kinds of shiat has already been done in my ancestral homeland (Ireland, Scotland, and Wales), or if we are talking this country, my family's land has both a railroad and a petroleum pipeline.
 
2020-07-06 9:10:01 PM  

hobnail: Sorry.  I can't math. 8 unit trains.

I just googled and 570k/day is the CAPACITY of the DAPL. I'd be shocked if it's actually shipping that much right now.


Ah, I'll take your word for it. If it's a publicly-traded company, their quarterly reports should have that data on actual pumpage.
 
2020-07-06 9:24:20 PM  
 
2020-07-06 9:41:15 PM  

Percise1: The pipeline company said it could lose $643 million in the second half of 2020 and $1.4 billion in 2021 if shut down. The court said: "All of these financial losses would be absorbed by the owners of Dakota Access," particularly Energy Transfer Partners, the current parent company of DAPL after a merger with Sunoco."

WHAT!?! Rich investors stand to lose some money? But then they will only still be rich investors!
Who cares about some people we stole a nation from and shoved onto the schittiest land around while promising them it was theirs to do with as they wished. We need it now, for personal profit!

The balls of these bastards...


Judge: "Your assertion is that the pipeline company and these other investors stand to lose 1.4 billion?
Litigant: "Yes, your Honor."
Judge: "And the pipeline company AND these investors are putting up how much bond for cleanups in the event of a spill?"
Litigant: "Err, ummm, well the pipeline company holds all the liability sir. The investors are shielded."
Judge:  [stares at attorney]
 
2020-07-06 9:42:40 PM  

WelldeadLink: UltimaCS: Alien Robot: Alien Robot: AuralArgument: Unobtanium:

So let's move it through your ancestral homeland without consent.

It goes around Standing Rock.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x790]

And right into their upstream water supply.

The source of water for the Standing Rock Sioux is not near the Dakota Access Pipeline.
At no point does the Dakota Access Pipeline pass through the Standing Rock Sioux reservation, nor does it impact the Tribe's water supply. The water inlet for the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe has been moved approximately 50 miles away from the pipeline.


The pipeline also crosses the Missouri up stream of Williston, as well as the Illinois and Mississippi rivers upstream of St Louis, and numerous other rivers and tributaries. None of those crossings seem to garner any attention.

Instead of crossing the Missouri just upstream of the reservation in a new, $4 billion dollar pipeline, now it can cross in rail cars on the 140 year old train bridge at Bismarck.
 
2020-07-06 10:06:34 PM  
Silly judge, laws don't apply to corporations!
 
2020-07-07 5:37:21 PM  
Their is still the matter of religious / spiritual considerations of the natives to take into account. (Post abridged for posterity)
 
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