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2020-07-06 9:20:53 AM  
That's probably conservative.  A number of red states have done their damnedest to suppress the numbers to placate the orange one.
 
Xai [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2020-07-06 9:23:08 AM  
To be fair that sounds accurate - as hospitals and other healthcare providers run out of resources, other cases will be postponed or possibly even denied treatment leading to deaths that would not normally occur - indirectly as a result of covid-19 but not directly due to the virus.
 
2020-07-06 9:24:32 AM  
CDC stopped reporting excessive deaths weeks ago
 
2020-07-06 9:32:12 AM  
While I'll agree that some of that number could be people not getting proper care for other issues due to the lockdowns, that number is horrible.
 
2020-07-06 9:33:26 AM  
Pffft!  That looks all sciency n' shait.  I'm going to my fringe right-wing site that says the CDC is padding numbers by saying every test in existence is a positive case...therefore only a few dozen people ever had this.
 
2020-07-06 9:35:21 AM  

OdradekRex: That's probably conservative.  A number of red states have done their damnedest to suppress the numbers to placate the orange one.


Missouri, in particular, has been called out multiple times for the revisionist history.
 
2020-07-06 9:37:00 AM  

cretinbob: CDC stopped reporting excessive deaths weeks ago


Because everyone knows not reporting deaths brings the dead back to life
 
2020-07-06 9:38:16 AM  

cretinbob: CDC stopped reporting excessive deaths weeks ago


Add it to the list of things that need to be addressed in January
 
2020-07-06 9:41:17 AM  
Predicted response:

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2020-07-06 9:50:58 AM  

Xai: To be fair that sounds accurate - as hospitals and other healthcare providers run out of resources, other cases will be postponed or possibly even denied treatment leading to deaths that would not normally occur - indirectly as a result of covid-19 but not directly due to the virus.


Decreases from deaths from accidents will be much greater than increases from deaths do to not getting treatment. Oddly (according to the Times at least), American health doesn't seem to be suffering from a lack of medical care (though that probably doesn't apply to organ recipients).
 
2020-07-06 10:22:38 AM  
Question Did more all-cause deaths occur during the first months of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic in the United States compared with the same months during previous years?
That's basically (though phrased differently) the same question I pondered aloud here earlier this year.  I'm afraid some Farkers at the time may have inferred that I was being "skeptical", but oh well.What is a little surprising is I didn't expect this kind of analysis under after the pandemic was long over.  I thought years from now, if ever.  So I guess I'm a bit pleased that this first analysis has occurred, while not particularly pleased with the results.
 
2020-07-06 10:25:59 AM  
The deaths due to Covid is higher than "known."  The number of people who have (or still have) Covid is higher than "known."  The question is what those true numbers are.  Any additional death is another death too many, but since the CDC can't even get testing right (due to wanting panel testing instead of just Covid testing) we will never know either of those two true numbers.
 
2020-07-06 10:54:50 AM  

OdradekRex: That's probably conservative.  A number of red states have done their damnedest to suppress the numbers to placate the orange one.


Hair Furor!
 
2020-07-06 11:31:29 AM  

SansNeural: Question Did more all-cause deaths occur during the first months of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic in the United States compared with the same months during previous years?
That's basically (though phrased differently) the same question I pondered aloud here earlier this year.  I'm afraid some Farkers at the time may have inferred that I was being "skeptical", but oh well.What is a little surprising is I didn't expect this kind of analysis under after the pandemic was long over.  I thought years from now, if ever.  So I guess I'm a bit pleased that this first analysis has occurred, while not particularly pleased with the results.


I think what's most important here is that this should be mostly about you.
 
2020-07-06 11:42:51 AM  
1. Wait til study reaches newspapers
2. Declare it "media fearmongering"
3. Profit
 
2020-07-06 12:05:50 PM  
Those people probably died from the social distancing measures which made them sad and depressed, so they all just croaked or committed suicide.

/I are smart
 
2020-07-06 12:27:54 PM  

knight_on_the_rail: SansNeural: Question Did more all-cause deaths occur during the first months of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic in the United States compared with the same months during previous years?
That's basically (though phrased differently) the same question I pondered aloud here earlier this year.  I'm afraid some Farkers at the time may have inferred that I was being "skeptical", but oh well.What is a little surprising is I didn't expect this kind of analysis under after the pandemic was long over.  I thought years from now, if ever.  So I guess I'm a bit pleased that this first analysis has occurred, while not particularly pleased with the results.

I think what's most important here is that this should be mostly about you.


Well, obviously I'm am more important to you than the topic.  Thusly you have confirmed and justified my selfish attitude!  Most excellent my boy... shall I buy you a cup of TotalFark?
 
2020-07-06 12:33:59 PM  
BTW, knight_on_the_rail, that *was* a nice burn.

But you do know that what we do here is read the not-news and post what we think about it?
 
2020-07-06 1:01:39 PM  
So, basically double the reported covid deaths and we're kind close to the actual death count.  Just damn.  This is some flu alright
 
2020-07-06 1:12:07 PM  
Merrrrp. The CDCs numbers are inclusive, and there is an almost 20% reduction in expected primary causes of death that covid masked.

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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/co​v​id19/excess_deaths.htm

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2020-07-06 1:19:30 PM  

leeksfromchichis: cretinbob: CDC stopped reporting excessive deaths weeks ago

Because everyone knows not reporting deaths brings the dead back to life


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2020-07-06 1:21:20 PM  
There's a reason I keep telling folks to look at excess mortality.

cherryl taggart: So, basically double the reported covid deaths and we're kind close to the actual death count.  Just damn.  This is some flu alright


Exactly. The reported infection & mortality rates are bad enough, but when you take into account how farking manipulated those numbers are and deal with the reality of the situation, you should be farking angry.

That fat asshole & his buddies are killing us, then lying to us about it.
 
2020-07-06 1:52:22 PM  
Covid-19, and the response to it, upended basically all aspects of life worldwide.  This caused both additional lives to be lost and lives that would have been lost to be saved, in addition to direct deaths from the virus that were not counted.

Additional lives lost indirectly:

People with long term illnesses that would have been caught sooner via routine testing that people avoided taking due to people avoiding medical facilities
Ill people with non-Covid diseases who took longer to go to the doctor because they were avoiding medical facilities
Ill people with non-Covid diseases (or accidents or violence) who died due to overworked medical staff or due to lack of medical facilities due to such being used for Covid patients
Increases in suicide and domestic violence due to mental issues caused or worsened due to worrying about the virus and being in shutdown

Additional lives saved indirectly:

People who would have died in auto and other transportation accidents that didn't occur because nobody was traveling
In fact, accidents in general (workplace accidents, hiking accidents, surfing/swimming accidents, lots of things) were down
Crime levels were lower, so fewer murders (at least initially; I think after a few months this reversed and crime levels rose)
The lockdowns also reduced the spread of other diseases other than Covid, such as the flu

Whether the two indirect groups above exactly cancel each other out is unknown (and if not, in which direction), so you can't just say "there were x number of excess deaths, so they are all due to Covid".
 
2020-07-06 3:01:37 PM  

SansNeural: knight_on_the_rail: SansNeural: Question Did more all-cause deaths occur during the first months of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic in the United States compared with the same months during previous years?
That's basically (though phrased differently) the same question I pondered aloud here earlier this year.  I'm afraid some Farkers at the time may have inferred that I was being "skeptical", but oh well.What is a little surprising is I didn't expect this kind of analysis under after the pandemic was long over.  I thought years from now, if ever.  So I guess I'm a bit pleased that this first analysis has occurred, while not particularly pleased with the results.

I think what's most important here is that this should be mostly about you.

Well, obviously I'm am more important to you than the topic.  Thusly you have confirmed and justified my selfish attitude!  Most excellent my boy... shall I buy you a cup of TotalFark?


Much appreciated!  Only snark intended, thank you for being a decent human being!
 
2020-07-06 4:12:46 PM  
For those not math oriented, that changes today's death count (World-o-meter data) to 169924.
 
2020-07-06 4:25:54 PM  

hissatsu: Those people probably died from the social distancing measures which made them sad and depressed, so they all just croaked or committed suicide.

/I are smart


Dr. Drew Pinsky gets paid for being that smart.
 
jvl [BareFark]
2020-07-06 8:52:37 PM  
Not every death is covid. Others have mentioned failure to get treatment. There's also people who prefer hospice at home to being without family in a hospital.  Hospitals ain't fun in the first place.
 
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