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2020-07-06 9:52:23 AM  
Gee, it's almost as if not enforcing a mask policy while re-opening beaches, bars, clubs, parks, and other places where people gather in tightly packed crowds was maybe, possibly, perhaps a bad idea.

......naaaaaah.
 
2020-07-06 10:28:01 AM  
Same in Texas. And Arizona.

Remember when New York had those emergency field hospitals that were never used? Wouldn't it be nice if those two states had thought to do something similar.
 
2020-07-06 10:42:02 AM  
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2020-07-06 10:59:17 AM  
Unlike some other governors who have halted reopening plans or reimposed restrictions, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) said last week he would not do so.

"We're not going back, closing things," he said. "I don't think that that's really what's driving it. People going to a business is not what's driving it. I think when you see the younger folks - I think a lot of it is more just social interactions, so that's natural."
 
2020-07-06 11:06:13 AM  

Elegy: Unlike some other governors who have halted reopening plans or reimposed restrictions, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) said last week he would not do so.

"We're not going back, closing things," he said. "I don't think that that's really what's driving it. People going to a business is not what's driving it. I think when you see the younger folks - I think a lot of it is more just social interactions, so that's natural."


DeSantis is not a smart man.
 
2020-07-06 11:06:23 AM  
And yet the reported fatalities are nosediving...
 
2020-07-06 11:06:55 AM  
Don't worry. Those ICUs will just go away by themselves.
 
2020-07-06 11:07:33 AM  
FFS, Florida.  STOP TESTING.
 
2020-07-06 11:09:47 AM  

Target Builder: And yet the reported fatalities are nosediving...


It's almost like getting them to the ICU is helping.  Good thing there's plenty of room there.
 
2020-07-06 11:10:45 AM  

Target Builder: And yet the reported fatalities are nosediving...


Apparently, when you have more experience with a disease, you come up with better treatments.  Nobody knew this!
 
2020-07-06 11:11:17 AM  
Would be a shame to let all those beds just sit empty.
 
2020-07-06 11:11:53 AM  

Psychopusher: Elegy: Unlike some other governors who have halted reopening plans or reimposed restrictions, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) said last week he would not do so.

"We're not going back, closing things," he said. "I don't think that that's really what's driving it. People going to a business is not what's driving it. I think when you see the younger folks - I think a lot of it is more just social interactions, so that's natural."

DeSantis is not a smart man.


*Deathsantis
 
2020-07-06 11:11:58 AM  
I have nine relatives in Tampa; all are hard core Democrats, and they take precautions as if they're preparing for space missions. They consider it their duty to stay alive just to spite that motherfarker.
 
2020-07-06 11:12:25 AM  
Better not have a heart attack if you live in Tampa.
 
2020-07-06 11:14:10 AM  

Target Builder: And yet the reported fatalities are nosediving...


Give it two weeks.  Then we'll start hitting 10k dead a day.  And then 20k dead a day.  And then...
 
2020-07-06 11:15:10 AM  
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2020-07-06 11:15:37 AM  

NEDM: Target Builder: And yet the reported fatalities are nosediving...

Give it two weeks.  Then we'll start hitting 10k dead a day.  And then 20k dead a day.  And then...


Yup. Apparently way too many people are content to let this burn through the country.

*sigh*
 
2020-07-06 11:17:20 AM  

Lumber Jack Off: Psychopusher: Elegy: Unlike some other governors who have halted reopening plans or reimposed restrictions, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) said last week he would not do so.

"We're not going back, closing things," he said. "I don't think that that's really what's driving it. People going to a business is not what's driving it. I think when you see the younger folks - I think a lot of it is more just social interactions, so that's natural."

DeSantis is not a smart man.

*Deathsantis


DeSanitize.
 
2020-07-06 11:17:51 AM  
Maybe I'll get social security after all.
 
2020-07-06 11:18:52 AM  

Psychopusher: Gee, it's almost as if not enforcing a mask policy while re-opening beaches, bars, clubs, parks, and other places where people gather in tightly packed crowds was maybe, possibly, perhaps a bad idea.

......naaaaaah.


What large metro areas in Florida don't have a mask policy?
 
2020-07-06 11:19:23 AM  

Target Builder: And yet the reported fatalities are nosediving...


Two week lag.  Have you been on this planet for the last five months.
 
2020-07-06 11:22:25 AM  

FLMountainMan: Psychopusher: Gee, it's almost as if not enforcing a mask policy while re-opening beaches, bars, clubs, parks, and other places where people gather in tightly packed crowds was maybe, possibly, perhaps a bad idea.

......naaaaaah.

What large metro areas in Florida don't have a mask policy?


Having one and enforcing one are two different things.
 
2020-07-06 11:23:45 AM  

Elegy: Unlike some other governors who have halted reopening plans or reimposed restrictions, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) said last week he would not do so.

"We're not going back, closing things," he said. "I don't think that that's really what's driving it. People going to a business is not what's driving it. I think when you see the younger folks - I think a lot of it is more just social interactions, so that's natural."


Luckily the counties are starting to step up. Well the same ones anyway...
 
2020-07-06 11:25:23 AM  
Any clinicians know of a metric that could be used instead of fatalities?  The increasingly lower death rate is being used to promote the idea that the disease is less dangerous or less prevalent.   If people are suffering from symptoms that will plague them for years, such as severe lung damage or kidney failure, it think it would be beneficial to start publishing those statistics.
 
2020-07-06 11:25:59 AM  

FLMountainMan: Psychopusher: Gee, it's almost as if not enforcing a mask policy while re-opening beaches, bars, clubs, parks, and other places where people gather in tightly packed crowds was maybe, possibly, perhaps a bad idea.

......naaaaaah.

What large metro areas in Florida don't have a mask policy?


The cities and countied had to step up because the state wouldn't.

That's nothing to be proud of. That's a crisis in leadership.
 
2020-07-06 11:26:19 AM  
Stupid people win stupid prizes
 
2020-07-06 11:28:32 AM  
All my Republican relations think that the virus is a hoax up until the moment one of them needs medical help, and then they all freak out about it.
 
2020-07-06 11:28:43 AM  
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2020-07-06 11:32:19 AM  
Note that the article causes the reader to think that the ICUs are being filled with COVID patients, without actually saying so. From what I have been able to gather, the uptick in ICU bed occupancy is primarily due to the resumption of routine (elective and other) hospital activities.
 
2020-07-06 11:32:25 AM  
This is what testing gets you.
 
2020-07-06 11:35:53 AM  

Emoto: From what I have been able to gather, the uptick in ICU bed occupancy is primarily due to the resumption of routine (elective and other) hospital activities.


If the routine and elective procedures you're resuming are landing people in the ICU, you're doing it wrong.
 
2020-07-06 11:36:02 AM  

Psychopusher: FLMountainMan: Psychopusher: Gee, it's almost as if not enforcing a mask policy while re-opening beaches, bars, clubs, parks, and other places where people gather in tightly packed crowds was maybe, possibly, perhaps a bad idea.

......naaaaaah.

What large metro areas in Florida don't have a mask policy?

Having one and enforcing one are two different things.


Enforcement is a local issue.  Done by police.  (Who may or may not have other larger concerns at the moment)

Mrtraveler01: FLMountainMan: Psychopusher: Gee, it's almost as if not enforcing a mask policy while re-opening beaches, bars, clubs, parks, and other places where people gather in tightly packed crowds was maybe, possibly, perhaps a bad idea.

......naaaaaah.

What large metro areas in Florida don't have a mask policy?

The cities and countied had to step up because the state wouldn't.

That's nothing to be proud of. That's a crisis in leadership.


No, it's actually very principled.  He's a federalist and very pro-local control (which used to be a Florida GOP standard until the cities began turning blue).  Why apply the same standard to Liberty County as to Miami-Dade?  That's stupid.

And let me be clear, I think he's done a pretty lousy job.  But not on the mask thing.  He's made it clear that local cities can and should pass mask ordinances.

He's doing a terrible job by sitting on federal funds, not trusting anyone so decision-making takes months, and spending ten hours a week on endless press conferences where he does little besides try to antagonize the media.

He used to be a very popular, pro-environment, moderate Republican.  He seems to think that the real reason he was popular post-election  was his embrace of Trump.  If I were his people, I'd tell him two press conferences a week, max.  All press conferences do, especially with an openly partisan media, is provide you more opportunities to say something stupid.  Don't sit there and try to say "I told you so" when things change constantly and you're in a very purple state.  Stop being such a prick. Stop embracing Trumpian comms tactics.  Delegate more to agency heads.

His best trait at this point is that he's not a closeted crackhead like his 2018 opponent.  That's not going to win in 2022.
 
2020-07-06 11:36:27 AM  

born_yesterday: Any clinicians know of a metric that could be used instead of fatalities?  The increasingly lower death rate is being used to promote the idea that the disease is less dangerous or less prevalent.   If people are suffering from symptoms that will plague them for years, such as severe lung damage or kidney failure, it think it would be beneficial to start publishing those statistics.


You can't get statistics on how long lung damage or kidney failure sticks with people who recovered from COVID-19 until a long time has passed since their recovery. We've only recently been able to look at 15+ year statistics for people who survived SARS.
 
2020-07-06 11:37:19 AM  
Time for the death panels!
 
2020-07-06 11:37:23 AM  

Emoto: Note that the article causes the reader to think that the ICUs are being filled with COVID patients, without actually saying so. From what I have been able to gather, the uptick in ICU bed occupancy is primarily due to the resumption of routine (elective and other) hospital activities.


What kinds of elective hospital activities land people in intensive care for weeks?
 
2020-07-06 11:38:04 AM  
Whateves. Tampa ICUs are always full. Where else do you think all the locals with antibiotic resistant super gonorrhea end up?
 
2020-07-06 11:38:21 AM  

NEDM: Target Builder: And yet the reported fatalities are nosediving...

Give it two weeks.  Then we'll start hitting 10k dead a day.  And then 20k dead a day.  And then...


I hate you for making me remember this movie, so now you must suffer along with me.

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2020-07-06 11:39:33 AM  

Emoto: Note that the article causes the reader to think that the ICUs are being filled with COVID patients, without actually saying so. From what I have been able to gather, the uptick in ICU bed occupancy is primarily due to the resumption of routine (elective and other) hospital activities.


No it's not.

/ER Nurse
 
2020-07-06 11:40:25 AM  

born_yesterday: Any clinicians know of a metric that could be used instead of fatalities?  The increasingly lower death rate is being used to promote the idea that the disease is less dangerous or less prevalent.   If people are suffering from symptoms that will plague them for years, such as severe lung damage or kidney failure, it think it would be beneficial to start publishing those statistics.


Adverse case outcomes (ie worsening symptoms, rehospitalizations, or death). However, that would require the state to actually care about reporingt the data, in Florida they're doing everything to suppress data including firing people for refusing to fudge it. Excess mortality after the fact will be the only way we'll have a good picture of how deadly the disease is, but all indicators point to not very good despite whatever shenanigans are being pulled.
 
2020-07-06 11:43:33 AM  
The big problem is all those people who get sick in Florida go to other states and spread their disease there too. We really do need to just saw Florida off the country.

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2020-07-06 11:44:14 AM  

Target Builder: And yet the reported fatalities are nosediving...


Pneumonia, or Covid-19?
 
2020-07-06 11:44:33 AM  
In other news, we're at about 1% of the state that has or had a positive COVID test.  So the real infection rate is probably around 15-20%.  Goodbye boomer.
 
2020-07-06 11:46:45 AM  

FLMountainMan: No, it's actually very principled.  He's a federalist and very pro-local control (which used to be a Florida GOP standard until the cities began turning blue).


I wonder why that changed?

(You're not wrong though.)

And you're spot on with your analysis of Desantis. It was pretty stupid of him to spike the ball when we're only at halftime when it comes to this pandemic.  Not to mention he tried to downplay this pandemic for as long as possible until he wasn't able to do that anymore.
 
2020-07-06 11:47:44 AM  

NEDM: Target Builder: And yet the reported fatalities are nosediving...

Give it two weeks.  Then we'll start hitting 10k dead a day.  And then 20k dead a day.  And then...


It was bottoming out last week. Also, I wouldn't go by any death stats on a holiday weekend (same thing happened Memorial Day weekend), as holiday reporting seems to be nonexistent in many counties, states, etc. Today will be more than yesterday, but I predict the reporting will catch up tomorrow and we'll average out to be on a daily flat trend, turning slightly back upward.
 
2020-07-06 11:47:46 AM  

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Oh, that aged well.

The RNC convention will be quite a show.

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2020-07-06 11:48:55 AM  
This is what they wanted. This is what they deserve.
 
2020-07-06 11:51:14 AM  
Doesn't this happen every year when Florida man turns up beer + fireworks to eleven?
 
2020-07-06 11:51:22 AM  

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Like milk in the sun
 
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2020-07-06 11:53:47 AM  

Serious Black: born_yesterday: Any clinicians know of a metric that could be used instead of fatalities?  The increasingly lower death rate is being used to promote the idea that the disease is less dangerous or less prevalent.   If people are suffering from symptoms that will plague them for years, such as severe lung damage or kidney failure, it think it would be beneficial to start publishing those statistics.

You can't get statistics on how long lung damage or kidney failure sticks with people who recovered from COVID-19 until a long time has passed since their recovery. We've only recently been able to look at 15+ year statistics for people who survived SARS.


You *can* get statics for people who are still struggling with sickness and damage 2 weeks after the onset of symptoms.
 
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2020-07-06 11:55:15 AM  
Mrtraveler01:

And you're spot on with your analysis of Desantis. It was pretty stupid of him to spike the ball when we're only at halftime when it comes to this pandemic.  Not to mention he tried to downplay this pandemic for as long as possible until he wasn't able to do that anymore.


He did it 1/3 of the way through the first quarter.
 
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