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2020-07-06 8:23:04 AM  
One of the possible decisions is Trump v. Vance - whether Trump has to release his tax returns.
 
2020-07-06 8:28:34 AM  

vygramul: One of the possible decisions is Trump v. Vance - whether Trump has to release his tax returns.


Ohplease, ohplease, ohplease...I mean, I know it really won't affect him either way, I just want to see him piss and moan on Twitter like the LOSER he is.

/nobody likes me 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
 
2020-07-06 8:29:23 AM  

vygramul: One of the possible decisions is Trump v. Vance - whether Trump has to release his tax returns.


5-4 he won't, my guess. I wish I'm wrong about this.
 
2020-07-06 8:30:03 AM  
Fingers crossed.
 
2020-07-06 8:33:12 AM  
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2020-07-06 8:33:17 AM  

Jairzinho: vygramul: One of the possible decisions is Trump v. Vance - whether Trump has to release his tax returns.

5-4 he won't, my guess. I wish I'm wrong about this.


Please be wrong.
 
2020-07-06 8:33:26 AM  

Jairzinho: vygramul: One of the possible decisions is Trump v. Vance - whether Trump has to release his tax returns.

5-4 he won't, my guess. I wish I'm wrong about this.


I think it's more likely they'll put it off for the October term and not release a decision on it until after the election.
 
2020-07-06 8:33:59 AM  

Jairzinho: vygramul: One of the possible decisions is Trump v. Vance - whether Trump has to release his tax returns.

5-4 he won't, my guess. I wish I'm wrong about this.


I'm expecting Trump to win against the House subpoenas, but lose against the New York State one.

I also expect we won't find out until later this week. I'm thinking today we get the tribal land case and the Obamacare case.
 
2020-07-06 8:34:01 AM  

vygramul: Jairzinho: vygramul: One of the possible decisions is Trump v. Vance - whether Trump has to release his tax returns.

5-4 he won't, my guess. I wish I'm wrong about this.

I think it's more likely they'll put it off for the October term and not release a decision on it until after the election.


Can they do that when the case was already argued?
 
2020-07-06 8:35:00 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: vygramul: Jairzinho: vygramul: One of the possible decisions is Trump v. Vance - whether Trump has to release his tax returns.

5-4 he won't, my guess. I wish I'm wrong about this.

I think it's more likely they'll put it off for the October term and not release a decision on it until after the election.

Can they do that when the case was already argued?


I think SCOTUSblog said that was a possibility.
 
2020-07-06 8:35:59 AM  

NeoCortex42: Jairzinho: vygramul: One of the possible decisions is Trump v. Vance - whether Trump has to release his tax returns.

5-4 he won't, my guess. I wish I'm wrong about this.

I'm expecting Trump to win against the House subpoenas, but lose against the New York State one.

I also expect we won't find out until later this week. I'm thinking today we get the tribal land case and the Obamacare case.


It'll be great if they rob me of my health insurance while I'm unemployed.
 
2020-07-06 8:36:12 AM  

NeoCortex42: I'm thinking today we get the tribal land case


That's the case I want to see: McGirt. It has the potential to be a real blockbuster.
 
2020-07-06 8:37:03 AM  
July is a good a time as  any for Kavanaugh to announce the Enabling Act, a New Order under Herr Trump.
 
2020-07-06 8:37:16 AM  
Here's a good summary of the open cases: https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/05​/politic​s/supreme-court-remaining-cases-july-o​pinions/index.html

Personally, I'm terrified at what could happen regarding the contraception ruling.
 
2020-07-06 8:39:36 AM  

born_yesterday: NeoCortex42: Jairzinho: vygramul: One of the possible decisions is Trump v. Vance - whether Trump has to release his tax returns.

5-4 he won't, my guess. I wish I'm wrong about this.

I'm expecting Trump to win against the House subpoenas, but lose against the New York State one.

I also expect we won't find out until later this week. I'm thinking today we get the tribal land case and the Obamacare case.

It'll be great if they rob me of my health insurance while I'm unemployed.


It's not that big case. This is about birth control exemptions. Still important, but it won't kill off the ACA itself if it goes the wrong way.
 
2020-07-06 8:39:49 AM  

Jairzinho: vygramul: One of the possible decisions is Trump v. Vance - whether Trump has to release his tax returns.

5-4 he won't, my guess. I wish I'm wrong about this.


Odds on Justice Beer using the term "PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT!!" in his opinion?
 
2020-07-06 8:40:14 AM  

PanicAttack: Personally, I'm terrified at what could happen regarding the contraception ruling.


I don't think employers have a good footing here. If they can deny that benefit because they would in effect be paying for contraceptives, well, aren't they in effect paying for contraceptives when they pay you cash and you buy them yourself? What, exactly, is the difference? People really need to stop trying to control other peoples' lives.
 
2020-07-06 8:44:45 AM  
they asked for additional briefs on the "political question" issue for the tax returns thing, there is no way it gets decided before the election
 
2020-07-06 8:45:45 AM  

vygramul: PanicAttack: Personally, I'm terrified at what could happen regarding the contraception ruling.

I don't think employers have a good footing here. If they can deny that benefit because they would in effect be paying for contraceptives, well, aren't they in effect paying for contraceptives when they pay you cash and you buy them yourself? What, exactly, is the difference? People really need to stop trying to control other peoples' lives.


I agree, but I don't have faith that this court will rule in favor of women's health care.
 
2020-07-06 8:46:33 AM  
He'll skate on the taxes both with congress and ny.  Scotus will bow to pressure as long as Thomas and beerbro are on it.  And he'll win in a november because avarice is more common in voters than decency.  Sigh.
 
2020-07-06 8:50:58 AM  

kamikazekitten: He'll skate on the taxes both with congress and ny.  Scotus will bow to pressure as long as Thomas and beerbro are on it.  And he'll win in a november because avarice is more common in voters than decency.  Sigh.


Hey! Don't shortchange what a turd Alito is.
 
2020-07-06 8:52:59 AM  

kamikazekitten: He'll skate on the taxes both with congress and ny.  Scotus will bow to pressure as long as Thomas and beerbro are on it.  And he'll win in a november because avarice is more common in voters than decency.  Sigh.


How will avarice get him anywhere with voters in November?  He's only promising to take things away.
 
2020-07-06 8:54:18 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: vygramul: Jairzinho: vygramul: One of the possible decisions is Trump v. Vance - whether Trump has to release his tax returns.

5-4 he won't, my guess. I wish I'm wrong about this.

I think it's more likely they'll put it off for the October term and not release a decision on it until after the election.

Can they do that when the case was already argued?


Who's going to strop them?

They could also refuse to decide the case after all. The writ of certiorari can be "dismissed as improvidently granted". Then the lower court opinion holds and Trump loses, but the court avoids weighing in.
 
2020-07-06 9:02:41 AM  

40 degree day: cameroncrazy1984: vygramul: Jairzinho: vygramul: One of the possible decisions is Trump v. Vance - whether Trump has to release his tax returns.

5-4 he won't, my guess. I wish I'm wrong about this.

I think it's more likely they'll put it off for the October term and not release a decision on it until after the election.

Can they do that when the case was already argued?

Who's going to strop them?

They could also refuse to decide the case after all. The writ of certiorari can be "dismissed as improvidently granted". Then the lower court opinion holds and Trump loses, but the court avoids weighing in.


Roberts appears to care about his legacy and reputation in the eyes of history. I doubt he would choose that route.
 
2020-07-06 9:06:02 AM  
Trump has already won on the taxes thing, he slow walked everything, got enough distractions out, painted the court as biased against him and has no accountability thanks to the GOP Senate. The evidence has definitely been tainted, if not destroyed.Tell me, what's to stop him from refusing to abide by the ruling if it's against him?

We got a solid 35-40% of goose stepping MAGAts that are barely smart enough to breathe but dumb enough to not have any idea on how t works. Unless enough of a majority gets off their asses in November, then welcome to the new normal of the stupid people driving the bus.
 
2020-07-06 9:10:09 AM  

OmnomnomCookies: Tell me, what's to stop him from refusing to abide by the ruling if it's against him?


trump flat out ignoring a supreme court ruling is the easiest way for the Republican establishment to wash their hands of him, and they'll be hailed as heroes for doing so
 
2020-07-06 9:12:03 AM  

ElwoodCuse: OmnomnomCookies: Tell me, what's to stop him from refusing to abide by the ruling if it's against him?

trump flat out ignoring a supreme court ruling is the easiest way for the Republican establishment to wash their hands of him, and they'll be hailed as heroes for doing so


You're telling me there are twenty-five senators that would vote guilty?
 
2020-07-06 9:13:28 AM  

ElwoodCuse: OmnomnomCookies: Tell me, what's to stop him from refusing to abide by the ruling if it's against him?

trump flat out ignoring a supreme court ruling is the easiest way for the Republican establishment to wash their hands of him, and they'll be hailed as heroes for doing so


Trump doesn't even get a say in it.  The ruling is about third parties that have Trump's information.  They've already indicated that they're more than happy to turn them over once the court lets them.
 
2020-07-06 9:13:51 AM  

OmnomnomCookies: ElwoodCuse: OmnomnomCookies: Tell me, what's to stop him from refusing to abide by the ruling if it's against him?

trump flat out ignoring a supreme court ruling is the easiest way for the Republican establishment to wash their hands of him, and they'll be hailed as heroes for doing so

You're telling me there are twenty-five senators that would vote guilty?


for literally ignoring the supreme court, yes
 
2020-07-06 9:18:55 AM  

ElwoodCuse: OmnomnomCookies: ElwoodCuse: OmnomnomCookies: Tell me, what's to stop him from refusing to abide by the ruling if it's against him?

trump flat out ignoring a supreme court ruling is the easiest way for the Republican establishment to wash their hands of him, and they'll be hailed as heroes for doing so

You're telling me there are twenty-five senators that would vote guilty?

for literally ignoring the supreme court, yes


The checks and balances are done in regards to the executive and congress. McConnell would say Trump is a victim and the only senators that would cross over are the likes of Romney and and at most a handful of others.

Trump would also use the DOJ to stop those third parties from releasing his taxes. Sorry, nothing has me convinced they would follow rulings or law anymore.
 
2020-07-06 9:19:07 AM  

ElwoodCuse: OmnomnomCookies: ElwoodCuse: OmnomnomCookies: Tell me, what's to stop him from refusing to abide by the ruling if it's against him?

trump flat out ignoring a supreme court ruling is the easiest way for the Republican establishment to wash their hands of him, and they'll be hailed as heroes for doing so

You're telling me there are twenty-five senators that would vote guilty?


for literally ignoring the supreme court, yes


Yertle would come back with "We can't have an impeachment in an election year, it's time to let the American people decide."

And get away with it.
 
2020-07-06 9:19:34 AM  

OmnomnomCookies: ElwoodCuse: OmnomnomCookies: Tell me, what's to stop him from refusing to abide by the ruling if it's against him?

trump flat out ignoring a supreme court ruling is the easiest way for the Republican establishment to wash their hands of him, and they'll be hailed as heroes for doing so

You're telling me there are twenty-five senators that would vote guilty?


Susan Collins would be positively disquieted.
 
2020-07-06 9:20:39 AM  

vygramul: OmnomnomCookies: ElwoodCuse: OmnomnomCookies: Tell me, what's to stop him from refusing to abide by the ruling if it's against him?

trump flat out ignoring a supreme court ruling is the easiest way for the Republican establishment to wash their hands of him, and they'll be hailed as heroes for doing so

You're telling me there are twenty-five senators that would vote guilty?

Susan Collins would be positively disquieted.


But is she concerned?!
 
2020-07-06 9:24:43 AM  
yall really don't understand that Trump is a means to an end, and that ignoring the supreme court totally messes up that end

the Republicans have spent decades rigging the judiciary in their favor, you think they're going to let a dumbass like Trump say "actually the judiciary is worthless"

Trump doing insane shiat that benefits no one but himself and threatens big-picture GOP goals means he's out on his ass

Trump is not God, and McConnell is not his enforcer boss.
 
2020-07-06 9:26:15 AM  

OmnomnomCookies: Tell me, what's to stop him from refusing to abide by the ruling if it's against him?


Based on precedent set by racist asshole Andrew Jackson, not a damn thing.
 
2020-07-06 9:27:36 AM  

ElwoodCuse: yall really don't understand that Trump is a means to an end, and that ignoring the supreme court totally messes up that end

the Republicans have spent decades rigging the judiciary in their favor, you think they're going to let a dumbass like Trump say "actually the judiciary is worthless"

Trump doing insane shiat that benefits no one but himself and threatens big-picture GOP goals means he's out on his ass

Trump is not God, and McConnell is not his enforcer boss.


Have you been watching the last three plus years?  Firing Comey and how many IGs and using the DOJ for personal favors, including illegal things? Yeah, you tell me how the GOP isn't the party of Trump at all now.
 
2020-07-06 9:31:36 AM  
Looks like the party will start at 10am. I'll be back!
 
2020-07-06 9:33:13 AM  
So, bets on opinion count today?  I'm thinking we might actually get four today.  There's no way we get all of them, but I'm hoping they want to be done this week.
 
2020-07-06 9:34:54 AM  
you know that if Trump says "no you can't see my tax returns ever neener neener" that the IRS can just be like lol here you go
 
2020-07-06 9:35:13 AM  

Officer Barrelroll: Jairzinho: vygramul: One of the possible decisions is Trump v. Vance - whether Trump has to release his tax returns.

5-4 he won't, my guess. I wish I'm wrong about this.

Odds on Justice Beer using the term "PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT!!" in his opinion?


I know you're not supposed to blame the victim, but just look at him.
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2020-07-06 9:36:05 AM  

ElwoodCuse: you know that if Trump says "no you can't see my tax returns ever neener neener" that the IRS can just be like lol here you go


Doesn't a Trump lackey run the IRS these days?

And the IRS isn't part of any of these cases as far as I know, anyway.
 
2020-07-06 9:52:10 AM  

OmnomnomCookies: Trump has already won on the taxes thing, he slow walked everything, got enough distractions out, painted the court as biased against him and has no accountability thanks to the GOP Senate. The evidence has definitely been tainted, if not destroyed.Tell me, what's to stop him from refusing to abide by the ruling if it's against him?

We got a solid 35-40% of goose stepping MAGAts that are barely smart enough to breathe but dumb enough to not have any idea on how t works. Unless enough of a majority gets off their asses in November, then welcome to the new normal of the stupid people driving the bus.


Trump doesn't have to abide, his accountants do. They do not want to violate the Supreme Court. Barr maybe able to shield them from accountability while he is office but the next AG can bring the hammer down. Trump may not think that far ahead but his accountants probably do.
 
2020-07-06 9:52:24 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: vygramul: Jairzinho: vygramul: One of the possible decisions is Trump v. Vance - whether Trump has to release his tax returns.

5-4 he won't, my guess. I wish I'm wrong about this.

I think it's more likely they'll put it off for the October term and not release a decision on it until after the election.

Can they do that when the case was already argued?


Absolutely. It's been done. They can even dismiss a case after it's been argued, on the grounds that they never should have granted cert in the first place.
 
2020-07-06 9:53:20 AM  

OmnomnomCookies: vygramul: OmnomnomCookies: ElwoodCuse: OmnomnomCookies: Tell me, what's to stop him from refusing to abide by the ruling if it's against him?

trump flat out ignoring a supreme court ruling is the easiest way for the Republican establishment to wash their hands of him, and they'll be hailed as heroes for doing so

You're telling me there are twenty-five senators that would vote guilty?

Susan Collins would be positively disquieted.

But is she concerned?!


Rumor has it that she's actually...

*looks around* 

ill at ease!
 
2020-07-06 9:55:46 AM  

harleyquinnical: OmnomnomCookies: Tell me, what's to stop him from refusing to abide by the ruling if it's against him?

Based on precedent set by racist asshole Andrew Jackson, not a damn thing.


Yeah, but that was about committing genocide so no one was really very upset. Except the genocide victims, of course, but they're not talking.
 
2020-07-06 9:56:02 AM  
Trump is currently in active tweeting mode.  So we should get a pretty quick response if SCOTUS actually rules on his cases.
 
2020-07-06 9:58:09 AM  
For those playing along at home, so long as there aren't R-numbers, more decisions are coming. Once you have R-numbers, it's over.


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2020-07-06 9:58:13 AM  

NeoCortex42: Trump is currently in active tweeting mode.  So we should get a pretty quick response if SCOTUS actually rules on his cases.


One might take that as "trump is in full-on distraction mode."
Hopefully that means he's been warned that he's going to lose big today and is freaking out.
 
2020-07-06 10:00:07 AM  

ElwoodCuse: the Republicans have spent decades rigging the judiciary in their favor, you think they're going to let a dumbass like Trump say "actually the judiciary is worthless"


Yeah, because I think the actual goal was to break the power of the federal courts.

If you an ignore the Supreme Court, then any state can make abortion a capital crime and get away with it. Because who's going to stop them. And that pesky Title 7 that says you can't fire someone for being black or gay or a woman goes away. And those are just examples.

But your point is valid. Let's see what happens...
 
2020-07-06 10:00:56 AM  

bloobeary: NeoCortex42: Trump is currently in active tweeting mode.  So we should get a pretty quick response if SCOTUS actually rules on his cases.

One might take that as "trump is in full-on distraction mode."
Hopefully that means he's been warned that he's going to lose big today and is freaking out.


Yeah, the NASCAR tweet is probably the most glaring example this morning. I'm pretty sure the Central Park 5 would enjoy throwing the same demand at him.
 
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