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2020-07-06 12:38:57 AM  
You're a good number, or a bad number.
you are just a number.
yearly eval.
yada,yada,yada.

place i worked (Hospital) had a 3 strike rule.

strike 1
i said the word "Bullshiat"

2. don't recall

3. I missed too much time by like .01 percent.

My sick bank was full
my PTO i was selling off/ donating back

They wanted me out.
hired a guy i trained back to take my place.
 
2020-07-06 2:44:12 AM  
BUT ANY DAY I'M GONNA STRIKE IT RICH, I TELLS YA!
 
2020-07-06 5:17:47 AM  
Sounds like someone isn't thinking about the real victim in all this: the stonks.
 
2020-07-06 5:40:50 AM  
And the corporate media rigged it so you will not be seeing any change from the choices you are allowed to vote for.
In other words,nothing is going to fundamentally change.
 
2020-07-06 5:41:28 AM  
Well, that's why you just take everything you can get out of the job and the second they try to screw you, you drop everything and move on to the next one.

If everyone did this, we could establish a large pool of really shiatty labor for them to choose from until their attitude changes.
 
2020-07-06 5:48:56 AM  

Madaynun: You're a good number, or a bad number.
you are just a number.
yearly eval.
yada,yada,yada.

place i worked (Hospital) had a 3 strike rule.

strike 1
i said the word "Bullshiat"

2. don't recall

3. I missed too much time by like .01 percent.

My sick bank was full
my PTO i was selling off/ donating back

They wanted me out.
hired a guy i trained back to take my place.


Maybe you just aren't fun to work with.
 
KIA
2020-07-06 5:58:03 AM  
You mean by importing millions of cheap foreign laborers and writing immigration / visa laws to screw US workers?

Or do you mean by spending 5x more than government revenues for decades and printing cash to cover it thereby devaluing the dollar and destroying the purchasing power of Americans?

Maybe you mean removing the requirement that corporations fund civic improvements, arts and philanthropy in exchange for their shareholder immunity?

Nah, it was probably letting Congress write itself out of the insider trading laws so they can literally enrich themselves while letting everyone else hang.

Maybe there should be a test on politicians knowledge, skills, competency, and ethics like they've imposed on pretty much every occupation in America - except themselves.

You fix these five items and you'll see huge improvements for the vast majority of Americans.
 
Xai [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2020-07-06 6:29:22 AM  
Because they literally voted for it.

They put their big X in the 'fark me hard but tell me it's for my own good' box.
 
2020-07-06 6:38:42 AM  
"Trickle down economics". 40 years of this, huge tax cuts for billionaires, Regan gutting unions, over priced higher edumacation, no re-investment in infrastructure, Stonk market shenanigans, are just a few problems that come to mind.
It is friggin' annoying when a billionaire whines about wanting to pay more taxes-how about tripling the pay of your lowest paid serfs, and don't park money in off shore accounts and pay all taxes on your income?
 
2020-07-06 6:40:06 AM  

Snake Vargas: Well, that's why you just take everything you can get out of the job and the second they try to screw you, you drop everything and move on to the next one.

If everyone did this, we could establish a large pool of really shiatty labor for them to choose from until their attitude changes.


That's what we have now.
 
2020-07-06 6:53:12 AM  

KIA: You mean by importing millions of cheap foreign laborers and writing immigration / visa laws to screw US workers?

Or do you mean by spending 5x more than government revenues for decades and printing cash to cover it thereby devaluing the dollar and destroying the purchasing power of Americans?

Maybe you mean removing the requirement that corporations fund civic improvements, arts and philanthropy in exchange for their shareholder immunity?

Nah, it was probably letting Congress write itself out of the insider trading laws so they can literally enrich themselves while letting everyone else hang.

Maybe there should be a test on politicians knowledge, skills, competency, and ethics like they've imposed on pretty much every occupation in America - except themselves.

You fix these five items and you'll see huge improvements for the vast majority of Americans.


Immigrants arent to blame for low wages, corporations are.

A localized study showed a town with strong immigration vs one without saw an INCREASE in wages, new small businesses, and an overall healthier town.
 
KIA
2020-07-06 7:09:44 AM  

weddingsinger: KIA: You mean by importing millions of cheap foreign laborers and writing immigration / visa laws to screw US workers?

Or do you mean by spending 5x more than government revenues for decades and printing cash to cover it thereby devaluing the dollar and destroying the purchasing power of Americans?

Maybe you mean removing the requirement that corporations fund civic improvements, arts and philanthropy in exchange for their shareholder immunity?

Nah, it was probably letting Congress write itself out of the insider trading laws so they can literally enrich themselves while letting everyone else hang.

Maybe there should be a test on politicians knowledge, skills, competency, and ethics like they've imposed on pretty much every occupation in America - except themselves.

You fix these five items and you'll see huge improvements for the vast majority of Americans.

Immigrants arent to blame for low wages, corporations are.

A localized study showed a town with strong immigration vs one without saw an INCREASE in wages, new small businesses, and an overall healthier town.


Are you seriously contending when an employer can choose between someone who has roots in the community, friends, family and commitments, who pays their taxes and all of the costs of modern society and requires $20 an hour to make that happen versus someone who is here illegally hiding under the radar and only needs $10 an hour to get by that is the corporations fault?

Take away that choice and the corporation has to hire locally and pay the local standard of living wage.
 
2020-07-06 7:12:28 AM  

KIA: weddingsinger: KIA: You mean by importing millions of cheap foreign laborers and writing immigration / visa laws to screw US workers?

Or do you mean by spending 5x more than government revenues for decades and printing cash to cover it thereby devaluing the dollar and destroying the purchasing power of Americans?

Maybe you mean removing the requirement that corporations fund civic improvements, arts and philanthropy in exchange for their shareholder immunity?

Nah, it was probably letting Congress write itself out of the insider trading laws so they can literally enrich themselves while letting everyone else hang.

Maybe there should be a test on politicians knowledge, skills, competency, and ethics like they've imposed on pretty much every occupation in America - except themselves.

You fix these five items and you'll see huge improvements for the vast majority of Americans.

Immigrants arent to blame for low wages, corporations are.

A localized study showed a town with strong immigration vs one without saw an INCREASE in wages, new small businesses, and an overall healthier town.

Are you seriously contending when an employer can choose between someone who has roots in the community, friends, family and commitments, who pays their taxes and all of the costs of modern society and requires $20 an hour to make that happen versus someone who is here illegally hiding under the radar and only needs $10 an hour to get by that is the corporations fault?

Take away that choice and the corporation has to hire locally and pay the local standard of living wage.


With all the shait going on in the world, you're going to go with the immigrant boogyman?

I'm guessing you DNRTFA
 
2020-07-06 7:24:04 AM  
This is why the US was so myopically focused on free trade for the last 70 years. Originally to sell US goods to other countries, but then a hard shift to cheap imports to fool the American worker that their standard of living and relative income wasn't declining. Your shiatty plastic Chinese import cost the same as what used to be well made in the USA. American manufacturing was killed by American wages, then buried by American trade policy.
 
2020-07-06 7:27:40 AM  

KIA: weddingsinger: KIA: You mean by importing millions of cheap foreign laborers and writing immigration / visa laws to screw US workers?

Or do you mean by spending 5x more than government revenues for decades and printing cash to cover it thereby devaluing the dollar and destroying the purchasing power of Americans?

Maybe you mean removing the requirement that corporations fund civic improvements, arts and philanthropy in exchange for their shareholder immunity?

Nah, it was probably letting Congress write itself out of the insider trading laws so they can literally enrich themselves while letting everyone else hang.

Maybe there should be a test on politicians knowledge, skills, competency, and ethics like they've imposed on pretty much every occupation in America - except themselves.

You fix these five items and you'll see huge improvements for the vast majority of Americans.

Immigrants arent to blame for low wages, corporations are.

A localized study showed a town with strong immigration vs one without saw an INCREASE in wages, new small businesses, and an overall healthier town.

Are you seriously contending when an employer can choose between someone who has roots in the community, friends, family and commitments, who pays their taxes and all of the costs of modern society and requires $20 an hour to make that happen versus someone who is here illegally hiding under the radar and only needs $10 an hour to get by that is the corporations fault?

Take away that choice and the corporation has to hire locally and pay the local standard of living wage.


Yes.  Yes I am.  Because that is what the data says.

Two things:
As a rule, the jobs done by undocumented immigrants are not being competed for by much of the workforce.  Not a lot of Americans are interested in migrant labor, for example though it would be amazing if Ag started paying $10 an hour.

And, second, go back and note how you started by talking about immigrants but then instantly conflated them with undocumented immigrants (people are not illegal).  As if those two groups are interchangeable.  I suspect in your mind that as long as we're talking latinos, they are.

However, undocumented immigrants also pay taxes, contribute to Social Security (without being able to claim any), contribute to their communities.  Immigrants are more likely to start their own business, work in healthcare (especially rural healthcare which struggles to find staffing).

So when we talk about systemic issues that contribute to the mistreatment of American workers, consider the idea that focusing on the employers is more appropriate than scapegoating the one group even more mistreated.  Because that's definitely a white supremacist talking point
 
2020-07-06 7:38:00 AM  
Tying health insurance "benefits" as part of employment, then slowly taking those benefits away by increasing health care costs.  You then have to decide if it is worth leaving your job and losing your benefits.
 
2020-07-06 7:38:01 AM  

sinner4ever: And the corporate media rigged it so you will not be seeing any change from the choices you are allowed to vote for.
In other words,nothing is going to fundamentally change.


Given the Republican goal is to make the country a theocratic oligarchy, and the Democratic goal is to do little to stop them, yes.
 
2020-07-06 8:46:52 AM  
"It's a big club...and you ain't in it."-George Carlin

This is will get worse. And the lower tier of management needs to be looking over their shoulders because you're the next overhead item to get cut.
 
2020-07-06 8:48:18 AM  
But how much more Freedom do they have?
 
2020-07-06 8:52:45 AM  

KIA: Are you seriously contending when an employer can choose between someone who has roots in the community, friends, family and commitments, who pays their taxes and all of the costs of modern society and requires $20 an hour to make that happen versus someone who is here illegally hiding under the radar and only needs $10 an hour to get by that is the corporations fault?

Take away that choice and the corporation has to hire locally and pay the local standard of living wage.


Roots. LOL.

Communities made up of people held there by "roots" are a somewhat captive labor pool that large corporations are very adept at convincing that unions are evil and the wages they are offered are the wages they deserve.
 
2020-07-06 8:58:35 AM  
Bloomberg ran that?
 
2020-07-06 9:06:18 AM  
"Unions scare employers in part because unions can strike, and strikes work. (Just ask the 40-hour workweek.)"

I'd just add that the national media outlets haven't been helping. There have been many many strikes over the last year and none of them are reported. If they are it is brief and that's it.

Who said immigration?
Lol. Blame the people hiring them, not them (immigrants).
 
2020-07-06 10:01:15 AM  

bfh0417: Madaynun: You're a good number, or a bad number.
you are just a number.
yearly eval.
yada,yada,yada.

place i worked (Hospital) had a 3 strike rule.

strike 1
i said the word "Bullshiat"

2. don't recall

3. I missed too much time by like .01 percent.

My sick bank was full
my PTO i was selling off/ donating back

They wanted me out.
hired a guy i trained back to take my place.

Maybe you just aren't fun to work with.


Have you ever worked in medical? The staff expect you to give them a beej and a kiss after farking you raw with a splintery 2x4. Hospitals are some of the most ruthless, clique-y, cutthroat, back-stabby work environments on earth. Working in the Medical field is borderline masochism.
 
2020-07-06 10:05:22 AM  

Artist: Regan gutting unions


Let's be honest: the unions have done an absolutely fantastic job of committing suicide. Most unions have seemingly worked overtime to become powerless and irrelevant since the late 1970s. The UFCW and the CWA and Electrical come to mind: they have had so many missed opportunities to move forward, yet they collapsed into a black hole of corruption and self-fellation to the point where no one wanted that stink on themselves and the membership evaporated.

We need new, uncorruptable Union leadership.
 
2020-07-06 10:17:33 AM  

kkinnison: Tying health insurance "benefits" as part of employment, then slowly taking those benefits away by increasing health care costs.  You then have to decide if it is worth leaving your job and losing your benefits.


How ironic is it that health insurance as a benefit of employment took off because employers were forbidden to raise pay in 1942, and started offering health insurance as a workaround.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/05/up​s​hot/the-real-reason-the-us-has-employe​r-sponsored-health-insurance.html
 
2020-07-06 11:38:13 AM  
I'd love to see two major initiatives that I think would dramatically improve life in America for the bottom 50% of us...

1) Medicare for all
2) Guaranteed jobs program

If you want a job and cant find one, the local offices will give you one.   Make the wages liveable.  Suddenly during a recession your options arent Walmart for $9 or starving.

There are other ideas I think are worth exploring, too, but these two seem like the biggest positives

/also might need some laws akin to the Voting Rights Act so red states cant make it so difficult to file for unemployment
 
2020-07-06 11:52:24 AM  

baronm: kkinnison: Tying health insurance "benefits" as part of employment, then slowly taking those benefits away by increasing health care costs.  You then have to decide if it is worth leaving your job and losing your benefits.

How ironic is it that health insurance as a benefit of employment took off because employers were forbidden to raise pay in 1942, and started offering health insurance as a workaround.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/05/ups​hot/the-real-reason-the-us-has-employe​r-sponsored-health-insurance.html


A little more complex then that. Blue cross was the only affordable option before that, and a proposed single payer system in 1945 was rejected even by Unions because they liked what they had

It was only in the last 30 years that health care has become more expensive (not going to discuss that mess) and businesses started working with health insurance companies to dump costs onto thier employees

I had a job at a new business bsck in '00 that promised raises and health insurance after a year. Instead we got just crappy insurance with large co-pay and deductible and were supposed to be thankful
 
2020-07-06 12:03:11 PM  

hissatsu: Sounds like someone isn't thinking about the real victim in all this: the stonks.


The way to fix this is for some party to find the political will to bring the pain of screwing workers over directly to the owners of said stonks.
Provide protections to all employees doing work on behalf of a company, expand union negotiation to entire industries instead of individual companies, levy massive fines for violations of employee protections and criminal penalties for wage theft, including sending executives to PMITA prison just like we would any other thief.
Companies like the one from TFA who shipped all their jobs overseas to avoid a union workforce would be nationalized and the jobs brought back.


/any politician advocating any of this would be either financially destroyed or outright assassinated though
 
2020-07-06 12:05:24 PM  

kkinnison: Tying health insurance "benefits" as part of employment, then slowly taking those benefits away by increasing health care costs.  You then have to decide if it is worth leaving your job and losing your benefits.


This is the new serfdom. And it's barbaric.
 
2020-07-06 12:08:18 PM  
How the American Worker Got Fleeced:

free market democracy = those with the means still dictate to those without, even though we labeled it democratic it's not really, becasue the more dollars you have the more political power you wield, so it's obviously got built in inequality by design.


If the majority of us are not CEOs and Venture Capitoloists, then how come the laws and political sway seems to go to what HAS TO BE THE MINORITY AMONG US?

IF the average worker is the majority of people in the US how come the laws do not favor that group more.

And make no mistake, winner take all democracy is, inequality by design because as long as 51% of us say so, then the other 49% can just go suck it we are not obligated to compromise with you at all.
If a 'we" can get enough votes it can dictate without needing to bargain or compromise to the rest of us.

If a group as no need to come to the table with the others because they got enough power of their own, where's the equality for the others in that?
 
2020-07-06 12:17:17 PM  
I remember one time being asked to train my replacement. I had figured it out before anyone else that the company was outsourcing the IT department. I basically responded that, nothing personal, but I had a two weeks worth of vacation I was going to take to look for a new job, then resign.

No nothing really crashed and burned, I had things setup robustly, and well-documented. That wasn't the case when they switched IT firms 6 months later due to issues. Then things crashed and burned, hard. They called me up seeing if I could come back, and I quoted them my new pay plus 5% and benefits including 6 weeks of vacation, plus a few more for sick days. They couldn't afford my services anymore.
 
2020-07-06 1:48:08 PM  

KIA: weddingsinger: KIA: You mean by importing millions of cheap foreign laborers and writing immigration / visa laws to screw US workers?

Or do you mean by spending 5x more than government revenues for decades and printing cash to cover it thereby devaluing the dollar and destroying the purchasing power of Americans?

Maybe you mean removing the requirement that corporations fund civic improvements, arts and philanthropy in exchange for their shareholder immunity?

Nah, it was probably letting Congress write itself out of the insider trading laws so they can literally enrich themselves while letting everyone else hang.

Maybe there should be a test on politicians knowledge, skills, competency, and ethics like they've imposed on pretty much every occupation in America - except themselves.

You fix these five items and you'll see huge improvements for the vast majority of Americans.

Immigrants arent to blame for low wages, corporations are.

A localized study showed a town with strong immigration vs one without saw an INCREASE in wages, new small businesses, and an overall healthier town.

Are you seriously contending when an employer can choose between someone who has roots in the community, friends, family and commitments, who pays their taxes and all of the costs of modern society and requires $20 an hour to make that happen versus someone who is here illegally hiding under the radar and only needs $10 an hour to get by that is the corporations fault?

Take away that choice and the corporation has to hire locally and pay the local standard of living wage.


I bet you think the immigrant is sending every penny back home, too.
 
2020-07-06 2:10:23 PM  
America can't have good things, at least not on the Federal level (and some things pretty much have to be on the Federal level, like universal health care), because the Senate is a thing, with it's inherent conservative bias (liberal California having 68 times the population of conservative Wyoming but both get two Senators), plus it's filibuster.  There's no magic fix here; our constitution just farks us over permanently that all we can hope for is mild, gradual change.
 
2020-07-06 2:11:49 PM  

KIA: weddingsinger: KIA: You mean by importing millions of cheap foreign laborers and writing immigration / visa laws to screw US workers?

Or do you mean by spending 5x more than government revenues for decades and printing cash to cover it thereby devaluing the dollar and destroying the purchasing power of Americans?

Maybe you mean removing the requirement that corporations fund civic improvements, arts and philanthropy in exchange for their shareholder immunity?

Nah, it was probably letting Congress write itself out of the insider trading laws so they can literally enrich themselves while letting everyone else hang.

Maybe there should be a test on politicians knowledge, skills, competency, and ethics like they've imposed on pretty much every occupation in America - except themselves.

You fix these five items and you'll see huge improvements for the vast majority of Americans.

Immigrants arent to blame for low wages, corporations are.

A localized study showed a town with strong immigration vs one without saw an INCREASE in wages, new small businesses, and an overall healthier town.

Are you seriously contending when an employer can choose between someone who has roots in the community, friends, family and commitments, who pays their taxes and all of the costs of modern society and requires $20 an hour to make that happen versus someone who is here illegally hiding under the radar and only needs $10 an hour to get by that is the corporations fault?

Take away that choice and the corporation has to hire locally and pay the local standard of living wage.


No, make them legal and permanent.  (IE, not temp workers.)
 
2020-07-06 4:13:18 PM  
No need to worry, we're safe as long as we're the only people buying things.
 
2020-07-06 8:03:20 PM  

Geotpf: America can't have good things, at least not on the Federal level (and some things pretty much have to be on the Federal level, like universal health care), because the Senate is a thing, with it's inherent conservative bias (liberal California having 68 times the population of conservative Wyoming but both get two Senators), plus it's filibuster.  There's no magic fix here; our constitution just farks us over permanently that all we can hope for is mild, gradual change.


CA has 53 Reps, WY has 1. I know you focused on the Senate, but CA isn't exactly ignored in Congress.

They didn't want big states to dictate to smaller states.
 
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