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2020-07-06 9:32:17 AM  
5 votes:
That depends on the definition of racism you're teaching them about. Just skip the "all white people are racist", "minorities can't be racist", the whole "Original Sin" of racism and all associated bullshiat.
 
2020-07-06 10:26:42 AM  
4 votes:
Most of the innate, natural behavior has to be educated and trained out of people if they are going to live as civilized human beings.
Man, in his natural state, is a predatory, tribal, xenophobic, killer ape.
Racism is only one aspect of this truth.
 
2020-07-06 9:50:09 AM  
3 votes:

DerAppie: That depends on the definition of racism you're teaching them about. Just skip the "all white people are racist", "minorities can't be racist", the whole "Original Sin" of racism and all associated bullshiat.


Sounds like you need a lesson on the difference between personal prejudice and systemic racism.
 
2020-07-06 6:00:18 PM  
2 votes:

Enigmamf: Uranus: actually, i'd say they need to educated about equality and inclusivity...

tl;dr

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How far should we go to guarantee equity?

Do we need to force women into physics classes to guarantee a 50/50 split? Hell, along which lines are we even going to group society? Do we need, as an extreme example, a "fair" number of homosexual gender fluid lower middle class Inuit with a physical handicap in upper management? Or do we just throw everyone who isn't white on a big pile and call it "diverse"?

If someone decides to stop doing any kind of effort at school at age 16, should his/her outcome still be the same as the person who studies seriously and graduates from college?

What are we going to do about the trend that the more options a person in a society has, the more men and women split their careers along "gender stereotypes" (see for example Sweden)?

/"Equity" sounds nice, but it is not implementable
 
2020-07-06 2:37:28 PM  
2 votes:

joker420: Just real racism please, not the BS the left keeps pushing.


What BS is this. I can't wait to "Christ what an asshole" at your examples.
 
2020-07-06 11:41:28 AM  
2 votes:

DerAppie: 12349876: DerAppie: That depends on the definition of racism you're teaching them about. Just skip the "all white people are racist", "minorities can't be racist", the whole "Original Sin" of racism and all associated bullshiat.

Sounds like you need a lesson on the difference between personal prejudice and systemic racism.

No I don't. I wholeheartedly disagree with the very notion that when a black person assaults a white person just because he is white, that it isn't racism.


You can call it what you want, but it's very different from political suppression through things like the war on drugs and redlining.
 
2020-07-06 10:55:45 AM  
2 votes:

goshes: I am so sick of hearing about racism.  All it does is divide people.  If you dont want racism, dont talk about race.  It just divides people.  If I see someone with a "black lives matter" tshirt I just go the other direction.  I dont need that drama.  If I look at that person the wrong way Ill be called a racist, a "ken" or whatever the trendy term is.


Yeah, just ignoring a problem will always make it go away!
 
2020-07-07 2:26:44 AM  
1 vote:

adj_m: DerAppie: "Equity" sounds nice, but it is not implementable

Nothing you described has anything to do with equity. Equity is not about forcing people to do things they don't want to do, it's about coming to terms with the massive amount of assistance most successful people receive (despite many of their claims of pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps) and providing comparable help to those who aren't getting it.


Then I have seen too many people using "equity" to mean having people get equal outcomes. Apparently not everyone agrees about the definition.

In that case I'd like to point out that teaching people about equality shouldn't be countered with "equity". You can have all people be equal while still realising the fact that distribution of resources isn't. They are separate issues. I could also argue that giving everyone equal access to education requires giving people with less resources an equitable share of resources, because otherwise the access isn't equal. So no real disagreement there then.

If you have no baseline understanding of the reasons why a person might drop out of school at 16, it's going to just look like laziness to you. It's also going to be difficult for anyone to discuss potential solutions with you until you choose to inform yourself.

I was specifically talking about a lazy person. Pretending I was talking about everyone who drops out at age 16 is a lazy argument.
 
2020-07-06 5:19:43 PM  
1 vote:

Uranus: actually, i'd say they need to educated about equality and inclusivity...

tl;dr


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2020-07-06 5:04:09 PM  
1 vote:
I, for one, don't think that the road to a postracial society begins with obsessing over race from a young age.

I sure as fark have no intention of telling my kids that any of their friends are somehow "different" just because of skin tone or ancestry.
 
2020-07-06 10:49:07 AM  
1 vote:

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: DerAppie: That depends on the definition of racism you're teaching them about. Just skip the "all white people are racist", "minorities can't be racist", the whole "Original Sin" of racism and all associated bullshiat.

Sesame Street skipped all that shiat just fine, and that's the sort of thing the article is talking about.


The article wasn't just about what Sesame Street did. It was also about what people feel that needs to happen. As an example the article also said this:

"Officer Tou Thao was complicit in the killing of George Floyd. Officer Peter Liang shot and killed Akai Gurley. We cannot raise another generation of Asian Americans, second- and third- and fourth-generation immigrants, to uphold and support white supremacy, to literally stand by while Black Americans are murdered."

As if it is the fault of "white supremacy" when a person Asian descent's actions disadvantage a black person. I'm very sure they have agency as well. Maybe Tou Thao had his own reasons to not do anything about the event rather than "Oh no, it wasn't my fault. The white man made me do it. As we know Befehl ist Befehl".
 
2020-07-06 10:42:59 AM  
1 vote:
Based on the amount of racial epithets coming of their mouths, I learned plenty about racism from my parents and other family members.  I had to re-educate myself when I was in my late teens/early adulthood.
 
2020-07-06 10:42:19 AM  
1 vote:

12349876: DerAppie: That depends on the definition of racism you're teaching them about. Just skip the "all white people are racist", "minorities can't be racist", the whole "Original Sin" of racism and all associated bullshiat.

Sounds like you need a lesson on the difference between personal prejudice and systemic racism.


No I don't. I wholeheartedly disagree with the very notion that when a black person assaults a white person just because he is white, that it isn't racism.
 
2020-07-06 10:16:17 AM  
1 vote:
You've Got to Be Carefully Taught
From South Pacific, 1949

[Verse 1]
You've got to be taught to hate and fear
You've got to be taught from year to year
It's got to be drummed in your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught

[Verse 2]
You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade
You've got to be carefully taught

[Verse 3]
You've got to be taught before it's too late
Before you are six or seven or eight
To hate all the people your relatives hate
You've got to be carefully taught

/know there was some sort of "South Pacific" thing in my elementary school
//I was in first grade, so all I really remember was "Happy Talk"
///but I'm pretty sure this wasn't included in my white flight (plus incoming Asians) suburb
 
2020-07-06 9:48:37 AM  
1 vote:
actually, i'd say they need to educated about equality and inclusivity...

tl;dr
 
2020-07-06 6:42:22 AM  
1 vote:
CHILDREN NEED TO BE TAUGHT TO BE ANTI-RACIST.
 
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2020-07-06 6:37:15 AM  
1 vote:
Parents can't be relied upon to teach their kids accurately or consistently about racism.

Unfortunately everyone experiences a bias - we live in nations of millions of people yet in our entire lifetimes we only ever meet maybe 80,000 people - we can't possibly be expected to form a full picture from experience of what any other race is like in reality, so we take the small experiences we have and extend them out to cover all people we designate as similar. i.e. assume all black people have traits linked to the interactions we already know of.

Obviously that isn't right, since we're all individuals, not some hive-mind collective and kids need to understand that it's normal and natural to form biases, but that you can't just act on those animal instincts.
 
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