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2020-07-05 10:34:07 PM  
Can't wait to see the sheer artistry from this effort.
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2020-07-05 11:42:33 PM  
TFA points out Trump's bizarre notion of what a statue or memorial is for:

The order calls such statues "silent teachers in solid form of stone and metal."

But that misunderstands the nature and function of such statues, said Cox, the historian in North Carolina. "Monuments are much more a reflection of those who put them up. They aren't so much about the past as they are a reflection of our values and ideals in the present," she said. "That's why they're often so problematic."


You don't learn shiat about George Washington looking at the Washington Monument, or about Abraham Lincoln looking at the Lincoln Memorial.  The point of them is to tell whoever is looking at it that this is a Very Important Person, and you should honor them.  But it doesn't exactly say why, and it certainly doesn't engage the true legacy of that person, the complexity of their lives and their work.

We definitely should improve the way we teach history in this country.  But throwing up some tacky-ass statutes of names pulled out of a hat will do nothing to help that.
 
2020-07-06 2:51:57 AM  

Ken S.: Can't wait to see the sheer artistry from this effort.
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This statue of Nathan Bedford Forest has been showing up in Fark threads recently. This was put up years ago on private property just off Interstate I-65 a little south of Nashville. The man who owns the property is the one who paid the "artist" to create this monstrosity in 1998. Just to complete the look, it is flanked by flag poles with Confederate battle flags.

The statue initially could not be seen from the interstate. A powerful state senator intervened to have trees on state property removed so there was a clear view of the statue. An attempt was made during the last session of the legislature to plant more trees to block the view again, but it failed.

The statue has been shot at least six times. Someone threw pink paint on it more than two years ago, covering much of the horse and splattering the front of Forest. The owner decided not to try cleaning it, so that's the way it looks today.

We in Nashville are so proud.
 
2020-07-06 2:58:57 AM  
I can see why, it looks like a deranged nutcracker on a merry-go-round horse. What's not to be proud of.
 
2020-07-06 3:41:37 AM  
In the executive order, Trump says all statues will be lifelike or realistic, "not abstract or modernist representations."

Yes, I've seen state-sponsored artwork consisting of approved subjects depicted in a government mandated realist style before.

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2020-07-06 5:27:26 AM  
I can't wait for the first debate. I hope Biden nails him to the wall on all his coronavirus "it will just go away" bluster, and his brain can't handle that he's losing the race in real time and his synapses just fizz and he starts having a stroke, screaming "You were always the best in bed, Ivanka!!!", all the while sh*tting and pissing himself, and he ends up like Hector Salamanca, mostly paralyzed but awake and aware inside so he knows what's happening to him but can only communicate using a buzzer or a bell for the rest of the campaign.
 
2020-07-06 6:14:37 AM  
I'm just not sure "Your state is on viral fire with a disease I told you wasn't rea,l then told you would just go away, and you could have avoided if I hadn't made protecting yourself a sign of liberal weakness, and if you survive I'll turn your survival into a pre-existing condition to deny you health insurance at the new job you might get after smarter people save us, but, hey, a Billy Graham statue in a city you'll never visit, right?" is really the winning combo he thinks it is.
 
2020-07-06 7:21:39 AM  
Is his base deserting him? The die hard MAGAts I know are digging deeper.
 
2020-07-06 7:44:55 AM  
"It's just so random. It's like they threw a bunch of stuff on the wall and just went with whatever stuck," said Karen Cox, a history professor at University of North Carolina at Charlotte, after struggling for several minutes to describe the order outlining the proposed monument. "Nothing about this suggests it's thoughtful."

This is a perfect description of the Trump Administration.

I also like the part right before that: ...after struggling for several minutes to describe the order...

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2020-07-06 8:20:22 AM  
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2020-07-06 8:23:32 AM  
It's a Trump construction project.

He'll try to strong-arm the government paper-pushers for favors.  He'll stiff the contractors.  The quality of the build will be atrocious, but covered up by lashings of gold paint and mirrored glass.

And the whole thing will be finished after the deadline, with 30% fewer statues than originally planned.
 
2020-07-06 8:24:05 AM  

Unobtanium: "It's just so random. It's like they threw a bunch of stuff on the wall and just went with whatever stuck," said Karen Cox, a history professor at University of North Carolina at Charlotte, after struggling for several minutes to describe the order outlining the proposed monument. "Nothing about this suggests it's thoughtful."

This is a perfect description of the Trump Administration.

I also like the part right before that: ...after struggling for several minutes to describe the order...

Basically the caption for any of a number memes.


The sad part is people are still trying to pretend Trump makes rational decisions.
 
2020-07-06 8:24:55 AM  
I have been at a loss for good material lately but if a Trump style memorial of shiatbags isn't right up my alley I don't know what is!
 
2020-07-06 8:27:07 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: I can't wait for the first debate. I hope Biden nails him to the wall on all his coronavirus "it will just go away" bluster, and his brain can't handle that he's losing the race in real time and his synapses just fizz and he starts having a stroke, screaming "You were always the best in bed, Ivanka!!!", all the while sh*tting and pissing himself, and he ends up like Hector Salamanca, mostly paralyzed but awake and aware inside so he knows what's happening to him but can only communicate using a buzzer or a bell for the rest of the campaign.


Did you watch the 2016 debates? Because that's essentially what happened there - Trump would say something provocative or insane, Hillary would refute it rationally and logically, and Trump "won" the point because he stuck it to that biatch.

Biden's malarkey isn't going to work on Trump, because as long as Trump even just once says "you're just a socialist!" or sneers at liberalism or ties Biden to antifa or talks about Tara Reade or mentions the 1994 crime bill, The Base declares Trump the winner.
 
2020-07-06 8:29:13 AM  
"It doesn't address the reality on the ground, the real debate and turmoil going on in this country," she said, including the anger and ongoing protests about systemic racism and inequality."

GOP on lines 1,3 and 6: "Hello??! McFly!!? That's the entire modus operandi!!"
 
2020-07-06 8:30:50 AM  
I know it's a list thrown together by a committee that only had access to Don Jr's library of 2nd grade biographies, but The Wright Brothers?
 
2020-07-06 8:32:02 AM  
If your heroes and/or culture are defined by a group that tried to secede from the Union because they wanted to keep their slaves...then the problem is with YOU not the rest of the country trying to right the fact that you do not build monuments and culture around that utter bullshiat.

These people are disgusting and it's disgraceful that they call themselves "patriots".
 
2020-07-06 8:32:19 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: I can't wait for the first debate. I hope Biden nails him to the wall on all his coronavirus "it will just go away" bluster, and his brain can't handle that he's losing the race in real time and his synapses just fizz and he starts having a stroke, screaming "You were always the best in bed, Ivanka!!!", all the while sh*tting and pissing himself, and he ends up like Hector Salamanca, mostly paralyzed but awake and aware inside so he knows what's happening to him but can only communicate using a buzzer or a bell for the rest of the campaign.


It's astonishing that people still have wish-fulfillment fantasies like this after the last four years. Hillary tore Trump to pieces in 2016... and it made literally no difference.

He's going to lose because of the pandemic. Facts and clever arguments aren't what's going to do it as much as we nerds wish it were.
 
2020-07-06 8:37:14 AM  
Sounds terrible with no base.
 
2020-07-06 8:39:07 AM  
FTFA: Trump's list of "heroes" includes five African Americans, but no Latino and Hispanic figures such as labor leader and civil rights activist César Chávez.

That's not correct.  Hispanics are definitely included in Trump's plans.  After all,it's a garden of American heroes.  Who do you think will be operating the leaf blowers?
 
2020-07-06 8:39:41 AM  

eiger: Hillary tore Trump to pieces in 2016... and it made literally no difference.


If anything, a woman demonstrating her intellectual superiority probably cost her votes.
Muricans don't like uppity womenfolk.
 
2020-07-06 8:39:54 AM  
The list is random and thrown together because the goal is to always be able to say "hey, look, there's one of ours!" and "oh, libs are mad that Billy Graham is in there but totally OK with MLK, Jr. Guess they're not really against religion, just ours! Hypocrites!"
 
2020-07-06 8:40:29 AM  

jake_lex: You don't learn shiat about George Washington looking at the Washington Monument, or about Abraham Lincoln looking at the Lincoln Memorial.


You've got to remember that the people who equate statues to history are very much the common clay of the new south. You know. Morans.

They can't read anyway. Statues are like a big 3D picture book for them.
 
2020-07-06 8:40:44 AM  

Glorious Golden Ass: I know it's a list thrown together by a committee that only had access to Don Jr's library of 2nd grade biographies, but The Wright Brothers?


"we should include someone completely non-political, someone that all the rubes agree on.  How about the Wright Bros?  I mean, for people going nowhere in life, they sure like to get there fast.  Plus, you know:that should see up Ohio"
 
2020-07-06 8:41:53 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'm just not sure "Your state is on viral fire with a disease I told you wasn't rea,l then told you would just go away, and you could have avoided if I hadn't made protecting yourself a sign of liberal weakness, and if you survive I'll turn your survival into a pre-existing condition to deny you health insurance at the new job you might get after smarter people save us, but, hey, a Billy Graham statue in a city you'll never visit, right?" is really the winning combo he thinks it is.


Quite a few of the names on the list are okay, but goddamn did Billy Graham come out of left field.
 
2020-07-06 8:42:41 AM  

NotCodger: Ken S.: Can't wait to see the sheer artistry from this effort.
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This statue of Nathan Bedford Forest has been showing up in Fark threads recently. This was put up years ago on private property just off Interstate I-65 a little south of Nashville. The man who owns the property is the one who paid the "artist" to create this monstrosity in 1998. Just to complete the look, it is flanked by flag poles with Confederate battle flags.

The statue initially could not be seen from the interstate. A powerful state senator intervened to have trees on state property removed so there was a clear view of the statue. An attempt was made during the last session of the legislature to plant more trees to block the view again, but it failed.

The statue has been shot at least six times. Someone threw pink paint on it more than two years ago, covering much of the horse and splattering the front of Forest. The owner decided not to try cleaning it, so that's the way it looks today.

We in Nashville are so proud.


I think paint would come off metal with a simple pressure wash.  Cleaning it should be pretty easy.
 
2020-07-06 8:42:51 AM  

moresugar: FTFA: Trump's list of "heroes" includes five African Americans, but no Latino and Hispanic figures such as labor leader and civil rights activist César Chávez.

That's not correct.  Hispanics are definitely included in Trump's plans.  After all,it's a garden of American heroes.  Who do you think will be operating the leaf blowers?


Wow - Trump has five African American heroes?
Geez, that's a lot.
Let's see: O.J., Uncle Tom, Diamond and Silk, and Kanye?
 
2020-07-06 8:45:14 AM  

jake_lex: TFA points out Trump's bizarre notion of what a statue or memorial is for:

The order calls such statues "silent teachers in solid form of stone and metal."

But that misunderstands the nature and function of such statues, said Cox, the historian in North Carolina. "Monuments are much more a reflection of those who put them up. They aren't so much about the past as they are a reflection of our values and ideals in the present," she said. "That's why they're often so problematic."

You don't learn shiat about George Washington looking at the Washington Monument, or about Abraham Lincoln looking at the Lincoln Memorial.  The point of them is to tell whoever is looking at it that this is a Very Important Person, and you should honor them.  But it doesn't exactly say why, and it certainly doesn't engage the true legacy of that person, the complexity of their lives and their work.

We definitely should improve the way we teach history in this country.  But throwing up some tacky-ass statutes of names pulled out of a hat will do nothing to help that.


You have been inside the Lincoln Memorial and read the Second Inaugural and Gettysburg Address?

Those tell us quite a bit about why his statue is there.

The Washington Memorial, yeah, that's just a giant phallus.
 
2020-07-06 8:48:32 AM  

TelemonianAjax: NotCodger: Ken S.: Can't wait to see the sheer artistry from this effort.
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This statue of Nathan Bedford Forest has been showing up in Fark threads recently. This was put up years ago on private property just off Interstate I-65 a little south of Nashville. The man who owns the property is the one who paid the "artist" to create this monstrosity in 1998. Just to complete the look, it is flanked by flag poles with Confederate battle flags.

The statue initially could not be seen from the interstate. A powerful state senator intervened to have trees on state property removed so there was a clear view of the statue. An attempt was made during the last session of the legislature to plant more trees to block the view again, but it failed.

The statue has been shot at least six times. Someone threw pink paint on it more than two years ago, covering much of the horse and splattering the front of Forest. The owner decided not to try cleaning it, so that's the way it looks today.

We in Nashville are so proud.

I think paint would come off metal with a simple pressure wash.  Cleaning it should be pretty easy.


It's fiberglass
 
2020-07-06 8:50:57 AM  
He's already picked out a few token blacks like Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., Harriet Tubman, and Jackie Robinson. I say token because those people were absolutely hated by conservatives in their respective times. Still are.
 
2020-07-06 8:52:11 AM  
When Trump designs something, this is what I think of.

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2020-07-06 9:13:51 AM  
Donny your bestest friend will sell you statues of heroes. You know your base won't know the difference.

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2020-07-06 9:18:55 AM  

desertfool: Is his base deserting him? The die hard MAGAts I know are digging deeper.


This is the problem with political division these days.  In war if you give your enemy an honorable way to retreat, they will leave the battlefield and stop fighting.  When given no quarter they will fight like rats to the last rat.  When presented with information that contradicts their beliefs from every side, magas will double down on their ignorance because they have no way to admit they're wrong without looking like total farkwads.

Hold on.  What was my point again?

Never mind.  Fark those guys.  Put 'em in camps.  Slave labor till they drop and let the buzzards pick their bones clean.

/lamentations of their women and all that.
 
2020-07-06 9:20:28 AM  
Aside from the conservative Republican icons, it seems that much of the list was drawn from watching TV and movies.
 
2020-07-06 9:22:23 AM  

Unobtanium: "It's just so random. It's like they threw a bunch of stuff on the wall and just went with whatever stuck," said Karen Cox, a history professor at University of North Carolina at Charlotte, after struggling for several minutes to describe the order outlining the proposed monument. "Nothing about this suggests it's thoughtful."

This is a perfect description of the Trump Administration.

I also like the part right before that: ...after struggling for several minutes to describe the order...

Basically the caption for any of a number memes.


.This whole thing is Trumpian bluster at its best. He's done this kind of thing for years, where he'd call a news conference to announce some crazy project that was "Going to be the best, the greatest thing ever" and the press would cover it briefly. Then the project would take pre-sales (NOT deposits, those are refundable!), hit a construction bump, and Trump co would pull out of the deal (while taking those pre-sales with them). He's done it at least a half dozen times or so that I was able to find; https://outline.com/CZUzR9.

This is just another cockamamie scheme that'll go nowhere, unless he figures out a way to make money off of it. My bet would be selling land he owns that can't be turned into a golf club, putting it in one of his clubs (charge admission of course), or putting it on the land of the highest briber. Then, if it gets that far, a bunch of no bid contracts will go out with up front payments, and huge contract cancellation clauses, to his associates. No work will actually be done, and then when the Biden administration cancels this abomination the R's will get a 'Dems hate 'Merica!' talking point and free government money.

/Book it. Done.
 
2020-07-06 9:26:47 AM  
Garden of heroes eh?

So kid rock, ted nugent, trump himself, etc?

Good, America you deserve sll this
 
2020-07-06 9:37:27 AM  

IAmRight: The list is random and thrown together because the goal is to always be able to say "hey, look, there's one of ours!" and "oh, libs are mad that Billy Graham is in there but totally OK with MLK, Jr. Guess they're not really against religion, just ours! Hypocrites!"


Davy Crockett fought at the Alamo and died there. People also tend to pretend it was about Texas "Independence" and not the fact that Mexico outlawed slavery and was intending to finally stamp it out in Texas. So Davy Crockett fought and died to let people keep their slaves.
 
2020-07-06 9:48:40 AM  
What if we built a wall on the border, made out of statues? It would be like getting two birds stoned at once.

/ I shall now wait patiently for my presidential appointment
 
2020-07-06 10:08:54 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: I can't wait for the first debate. I hope Biden nails him to the wall on all his coronavirus "it will just go away" bluster, and his brain can't handle that he's losing the race in real time and his synapses just fizz and he starts having a stroke, screaming "You were always the best in bed, Ivanka!!!", all the while sh*tting and pissing himself, and he ends up like Hector Salamanca, mostly paralyzed but awake and aware inside so he knows what's happening to him but can only communicate using a buzzer or a bell for the rest of the campaign.

Did you watch the 2016 debates? Because that's essentially what happened there - Trump would say something provocative or insane, Hillary would refute it rationally and logically, and Trump "won" the point because he stuck it to that biatch.

Biden's malarkey isn't going to work on Trump, because as long as Trump even just once says "you're just a socialist!" or sneers at liberalism or ties Biden to antifa or talks about Tara Reade or mentions the 1994 crime bill, The Base declares Trump the winner.


The first Obama-Romney debate presaged the 2016 debates (and overall campaign). Romney took positions he'd never taken before, upending Obama, who didn't know how to react. Romney was basically just prevaricating. The national press, because they are uniformly idiotic, couldn't see past this and declared Romney the winner.

This is what fuels Trump: a press and media that cannot see past the veneer and do anything remotely related to judgment, moral or otherwise.
 
2020-07-06 10:26:08 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: I can't wait for the first debate. I hope Biden nails him to the wall on all his coronavirus "it will just go away" bluster, and his brain can't handle that he's losing the race in real time and his synapses just fizz and he starts having a stroke, screaming "You were always the best in bed, Ivanka!!!", all the while sh*tting and pissing himself, and he ends up like Hector Salamanca, mostly paralyzed but awake and aware inside so he knows what's happening to him but can only communicate using a buzzer or a bell for the rest of the campaign.


I remember when it was Hillary's turn to speak, and we could see Donnie pacing back & forth behind her like a rabid psycho. I was expecting him to make a lunge at her and Security would have to pull him off.

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If Donnie tries that sh*t again this year, I hope Joe's ready to swing a Haymaker right across Trump's kisser.
 
2020-07-06 10:27:51 AM  

jake_lex: The point of them is to tell whoever is looking at it that this is a Very Important Person, and you should honor them.  But it doesn't exactly say why


And so you can see exactly why that would appeal to Trump.
 
2020-07-06 10:30:46 AM  

BigNumber12: jake_lex: The point of them is to tell whoever is looking at it that this is a Very Important Person, and you should honor them.  But it doesn't exactly say why

And so you can see exactly why that would appeal to Trump.


I'd like Joe to start the debates by pulling out a couple lead-filled boxing gloves, and say "You and your disease-ridden body get within striking distance of me, you won't have to worry about faking your medical records any more."
 
2020-07-06 10:33:29 AM  

baka-san: TelemonianAjax: NotCodger: Ken S.: Can't wait to see the sheer artistry from this effort.
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This statue of Nathan Bedford Forest has been showing up in Fark threads recently. This was put up years ago on private property just off Interstate I-65 a little south of Nashville. The man who owns the property is the one who paid the "artist" to create this monstrosity in 1998. Just to complete the look, it is flanked by flag poles with Confederate battle flags.

The statue initially could not be seen from the interstate. A powerful state senator intervened to have trees on state property removed so there was a clear view of the statue. An attempt was made during the last session of the legislature to plant more trees to block the view again, but it failed.

The statue has been shot at least six times. Someone threw pink paint on it more than two years ago, covering much of the horse and splattering the front of Forest. The owner decided not to try cleaning it, so that's the way it looks today.

We in Nashville are so proud.

I think paint would come off metal with a simple pressure wash.  Cleaning it should be pretty easy.

It's fiberglass


See, folks, this is why you shouldn't cheap out on your memorial construction material. Fiberglass? What are you making, a Mayor McCheese playspace?
 
2020-07-06 10:33:54 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: I can't wait for the first debate. I hope Biden nails him to the wall on all his coronavirus "it will just go away" bluster, and his brain can't handle that he's losing the race in real time and his synapses just fizz and he starts having a stroke, screaming "You were always the best in bed, Ivanka!!!", all the while sh*tting and pissing himself, and he ends up like Hector Salamanca, mostly paralyzed but awake and aware inside so he knows what's happening to him but can only communicate using a buzzer or a bell for the rest of the campaign.


It would be a mistake, completely ignoring the past 4 years, to assume that Trump will simply fold when confronted with facts. He's perfectly comfortable with blustering and lashing out, and the debates certainly allow him the opportunity to simply ignore the question.

I really hope that Biden and his team are watching tape of the 2016 debates like a quarterback before a Bowl Game. Trump's manner can be handled with targeted strategy, but that strategy isn't just "lay out the facts."
 
2020-07-06 10:52:00 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: I can't wait for the first debate. I hope Biden nails him to the wall on all his coronavirus "it will just go away" bluster, and his brain can't handle that he's losing the race in real time and his synapses just fizz and he starts having a stroke, screaming "You were always the best in bed, Ivanka!!!", all the while sh*tting and pissing himself, and he ends up like Hector Salamanca, mostly paralyzed but awake and aware inside so he knows what's happening to him but can only communicate using a buzzer or a bell for the rest of the campaign.

Did you watch the 2016 debates? Because that's essentially what happened there - Trump would say something provocative or insane, Hillary would refute it rationally and logically, and Trump "won" the point because he stuck it to that biatch.

Biden's malarkey isn't going to work on Trump, because as long as Trump even just once says "you're just a socialist!" or sneers at liberalism or ties Biden to antifa or talks about Tara Reade or mentions the 1994 crime bill, The Base declares Trump the winner.


Who cares about his base? Everything is about the folks who disliked Trump but disliked Hillary more. You don't need very many to tip things, either.

You are never going to "win" with his base. Don't try.
 
2020-07-06 11:07:46 AM  

NotCodger: This statue of Nathan Bedford Forest has been showing up in Fark threads recently. This was put up years ago on private property just off Interstate I-65 a little south of Nashville. The man who owns the property is the one who paid the "artist" to create this monstrosity in 1998.


The statue is only 22 years old?  And I was interested in knowing which alloys kept such nice color "after all these years."  Phooey.
 
2020-07-06 11:27:42 AM  
Will this guy ever stop wasting taxpayer dollars?
 
2020-07-06 11:56:08 AM  
Does he also worry about the sun not rising tomorrow? Because that's much more likely.
 
2020-07-06 2:18:34 PM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: I can't wait for the first debate. I hope Biden nails him to the wall on all his coronavirus "it will just go away" bluster, and his brain can't handle that he's losing the race in real time and his synapses just fizz and he starts having a stroke, screaming "You were always the best in bed, Ivanka!!!", all the while sh*tting and pissing himself, and he ends up like Hector Salamanca, mostly paralyzed but awake and aware inside so he knows what's happening to him but can only communicate using a buzzer or a bell for the rest of the campaign.

I remember when it was Hillary's turn to speak, and we could see Donnie pacing back & forth behind her like a rabid psycho. I was expecting him to make a lunge at her and Security would have to pull him off.

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If Donnie tries that sh*t again this year, I hope Joe's ready to swing a Haymaker right across Trump's kisser.


I think Joe needs to work out with some kind of mixed martial arts expert so that in the event this happens he can issue a knockout punch as quickly and efficiently as possible.
 
2020-07-06 5:26:48 PM  
Public art, paid for & maintained by public money should be voted on by the public.
If an event is recognized as important to a community, then it should be put to a vote to be approved for some kind of memorial. A contest for the memorial should be held and competing artists should enter, submit drawings/models of the proposed memorial (as happened for the Vietnam Memorial in DC), and, again, after having had a chance to view the entries, a vote should be held and the winning entry receive a budget and deadline. Better, make the artist be resident in the area covered by the election.

Yes, the art will probably be "pedestrian," but it will have been chosen because it spoke to the most people who understood it enough to say this is what we want, rather than an appointed artsy-fartsy elite who think they understand more than the ones paying for it.

This is the "Symbol of Rockford" (IL). The city council gave a local group of women money and this is how they spent it. Rockfordians call it the "Orange Horror" (since shared by President Voldemort). 
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Voters pay for public art.
Voters should be allowed to choose the art.
 
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