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2020-07-05 9:42:23 PM  
Heartbreaking. I was really pulling for him.
 
2020-07-05 9:49:54 PM  

Grumpy Cat: Heartbreaking. I was really pulling for him.


Me too. I read that his wife was hoping he'd wake up but once they said he'd need a double-lung transplant, I figured that was it.
 
2020-07-05 9:59:27 PM  
He had such a rough road with this illness.
And his death comes just after Trump said that 99% of COVID cases are harmless.
So I guess Cordero was in the 1%
 
2020-07-05 10:02:56 PM  
He was admitted to the hospital in March.
 
2020-07-05 10:06:27 PM  
fark COVID
 
2020-07-05 10:08:08 PM  
he was in the ICU for 95 days, the vast majority of that on a vent, he lost a leg, went into septic shock at least once, had at least 2 strokes, received a pacemaker, had a tracheostomy, was in need of a lung transplant.....

am i a bad person for mentally considering him dead over a month ago? if he had somehow lived he would have spent the rest of his life with very significant brain damage after all that.

it is horrible his son will never know his dad, and his wife's grief must be immense, but nick would never have had good quality of life ever again.

but remember kids, us younger people aren't in any danger if we contract COVID, both trump AND desantis said so!
 
2020-07-05 10:28:35 PM  
But it only kills the very sick or very old.  Really it's no worse than the flu.
 
2020-07-05 10:33:40 PM  
Damn. My wife and I were just discussing him yesterday.
Rest well. You had a rough fight these past 3+ months.
 
2020-07-05 10:36:17 PM  
This sucks, he put up a hell of fight.
 
2020-07-05 10:37:16 PM  

luna1580: he was in the ICU for 95 days, the vast majority of that on a vent, he lost a leg, went into septic shock at least once, had at least 2 strokes, received a pacemaker, had a tracheostomy, was in need of a lung transplant.....

am i a bad person for mentally considering him dead over a month ago? if he had somehow lived he would have spent the rest of his life with very significant brain damage after all that.

it is horrible his son will never know his dad, and his wife's grief must be immense, but nick would never have had good quality of life ever again.

but remember kids, us younger people aren't in any danger if we contract COVID, both trump AND desantis said so!


And if he had somehow survived all that, he would have been counted among the "recovered" statistics. See, it's no big deal, like the flu, most people get better.
 
2020-07-05 10:40:29 PM  

luna1580: he was in the ICU for 95 days, the vast majority of that on a vent, he lost a leg, went into septic shock at least once, had at least 2 strokes, received a pacemaker, had a tracheostomy, was in need of a lung transplant.....

am i a bad person for mentally considering him dead over a month ago? if he had somehow lived he would have spent the rest of his life with very significant brain damage after all that.

it is horrible his son will never know his dad, and his wife's grief must be immense, but nick would never have had good quality of life ever again.

but remember kids, us younger people aren't in any danger if we contract COVID, both trump AND desantis said so!


I hope it doesn't, because I'm right there with you. After he lost the leg, I figured at best he'd grow old and bitter and be toxic to the people around him and every time I'd hear more was happening I was hoping they'd just let him go, especially with the strokes.

I'm probably reading into it because my dad had MS and I slowly watched him deteriorate into a different person over 25 years, but yeah. This, unfortunately, was probably for the best.
 
2020-07-05 10:46:06 PM  
R.I.P. Nick Nolte

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2020-07-05 10:57:51 PM  
Hopefully this makes people wake up a bit. I doubt this Broadway singer smoked or lead a super unhealthy lifestyle with his fitness trainer wife and their young child. In addition to being in the ICU for months, he had his leg amputated.

You don't want to get this thing.  Also, give this a listen, what a loss:

Watch Tony Nominee Nick Cordero Sing 'Running' From Mary and Max
Youtube aCB59LCgo5M
 
2020-07-05 10:59:39 PM  
I dunno what else to say. Other than I hope Trump dies only after having his limbs and his tiny dick all amputated.

I know I throw a lot of blame around here, but he really does deserve all of that hate and blame.
 
2020-07-05 11:00:09 PM  
91 days.  So awful.
 
2020-07-05 11:05:35 PM  

nitrowhip: 91 days.  So awful.


So does that means we can expect a sudden spike of deaths of people who have silently been battling this thing for months or is he an outlier?
 
2020-07-05 11:09:03 PM  
That's horrible. That's also why I told the Mrs. that if I'm ever in a state like that she should just have me put down like an old cat.
 
2020-07-05 11:12:03 PM  

goodncold: nitrowhip: 91 days.  So awful.

So does that means we can expect a sudden spike of deaths of people who have silently been battling this thing for months or is he an outlier?


he's an outlier. most people would've been gone after the first month in ICU. plenty of people die before they've even been in the hospital one full week with this thing. he fought really, really hard to hang on.
 
2020-07-05 11:20:06 PM  
In an ICU, your body can be kept alive for a very long time.  Often, an astonishingly long time.  Families will sometimes say things like, "Well, doc....do everything you can for him."  They say that because they have no idea what they are saying or what expectations they are communicating to providers .  We really don't like to tamp down hope because hope is a good and necessary thing.  We do like people to have some realistic expectations, though.  I have witnessed unexpected recoveries that were heralded as miracles.  Miracles don't happen very often.  It is a difficult line for ICU personnel to walk because some people can't and won't listen in those times of severe stress.  Others seem to think all obstacles can be overcome with enough positive thinking or prayer or some other magical thinking.  Meanwhile, the ICU staff very often has the capability of keeping a body alive until, eventually, multi-system failure becomes every system failure.  In some cases, it's not what can we do but what should we do.  This poor fellow's death was first of all a tragedy.  It was also a blessing.
 
2020-07-05 11:29:14 PM  
Are we sure it was Covid-19? Maybe it was worry about the economy that got him.
 
2020-07-05 11:32:26 PM  

goodncold: nitrowhip: 91 days.  So awful.

So does that means we can expect a sudden spike of deaths of people who have silently been battling this thing for months or is he an outlier?


I gave up trying to point out the discrepancy between resolved cases and active ones, because I kept getting shiat for it.
Yes, some were certainly mild and resolved without reporting back to the doctors.
But there are plenty of people still hospitalized and yeah, that's not good.
 
2020-07-05 11:58:40 PM  

darkhorse23: Grumpy Cat: Heartbreaking. I was really pulling for him.

Me too. I read that his wife was hoping he'd wake up but once they said he'd need a double-lung transplant, I figured that was it.


This.

Rest In Peace.
 
2020-07-06 12:10:48 AM  

JTtheCajun: luna1580: he was in the ICU for 95 days, the vast majority of that on a vent, he lost a leg, went into septic shock at least once, had at least 2 strokes, received a pacemaker, had a tracheostomy, was in need of a lung transplant.....

am i a bad person for mentally considering him dead over a month ago? if he had somehow lived he would have spent the rest of his life with very significant brain damage after all that.

it is horrible his son will never know his dad, and his wife's grief must be immense, but nick would never have had good quality of life ever again.

but remember kids, us younger people aren't in any danger if we contract COVID, both trump AND desantis said so!

I hope it doesn't, because I'm right there with you. After he lost the leg, I figured at best he'd grow old and bitter and be toxic to the people around him and every time I'd hear more was happening I was hoping they'd just let him go, especially with the strokes.

I'm probably reading into it because my dad had MS and I slowly watched him deteriorate into a different person over 25 years, but yeah. This, unfortunately, was probably for the best.


Kind of my thoughts as well. After a certain amount of time, it just seemed that everything was cascading toward this outcome. It's tragic that things got so bad for him and his family.
 
2020-07-06 12:17:28 AM  

Schrodinger's toilet trained cat: This sucks, he put up a hell of fight.


the medical field is moving away from that phrase and battle-based metaphors since it makes the patient feel like they didn't try hard enough if their condition gets worse. the guilt and shame doesn't help. totally not kidding. seems to be especially bad for kids who think they 'failed chemo'.

https://powerfulpatients.org/2019/04/​2​4/words-matter-why-cancer-isnt-a-game-​of-winners-or-losers/

but to the point, this is sad and I feel like the guy and his family suffered a drawn-out tragedy.
 
2020-07-06 12:38:26 AM  
:(

How terribly sad. May he rest in peace.
 
2020-07-06 1:27:51 AM  

Etchy333: Hopefully this makes people wake up a bit. I doubt this Broadway singer smoked or lead a super unhealthy lifestyle with his fitness trainer wife and their young child. In addition to being in the ICU for months, he had his leg amputated.

You don't want to get this thing.  Also, give this a listen, what a loss:

[YouTube video: Watch Tony Nominee Nick Cordero Sing 'Running' From Mary and Max]


I don't want to catch this deadly disease?

That is news to my company's CEO, who suddenly decided it was perfectly safe to cram hundreds of people into an office as soon as he couldn't be sued for doing so.

I am hoping the state shuts everything down again before I run out of vacation days.
 
2020-07-06 1:41:52 AM  

chucknasty: Schrodinger's toilet trained cat: This sucks, he put up a hell of fight.

the medical field is moving away from that phrase and battle-based metaphors since it makes the patient feel like they didn't try hard enough if their condition gets worse. the guilt and shame doesn't help. totally not kidding. seems to be especially bad for kids who think they 'failed chemo'.

https://powerfulpatients.org/2019/04/2​4/words-matter-why-cancer-isnt-a-game-​of-winners-or-losers/

but to the point, this is sad and I feel like the guy and his family suffered a drawn-out tragedy.


I don't think the dead care about the semantics of terminology that have absolutely on effect on the outcome
 
2020-07-06 1:54:31 AM  

bhcompy: chucknasty: Schrodinger's toilet trained cat: This sucks, he put up a hell of fight.

the medical field is moving away from that phrase and battle-based metaphors since it makes the patient feel like they didn't try hard enough if their condition gets worse. the guilt and shame doesn't help. totally not kidding. seems to be especially bad for kids who think they 'failed chemo'.

https://powerfulpatients.org/2019/04/2​4/words-matter-why-cancer-isnt-a-game-​of-winners-or-losers/

but to the point, this is sad and I feel like the guy and his family suffered a drawn-out tragedy.

I don't think the dead care about the semantics of terminology that have absolutely on effect on the outcome


Your typo actually saved you.  Because if you meant to say 'that have absolutely no effect' then you would be absolutely wrong, as that was the entire point of that person's post.
 
2020-07-06 2:56:13 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: Your typo actually saved you.  Because if you meant to say 'that have absolutely no effect' then you would be absolutely wrong, as that was the entire point of that person's post.


2020 still can't edit Fark posts

Their entire point was wrong(it's a flawed premise that it's a wilful decision) and cancer is a different disease(not that it matters all that much, but there are semantic differences).  The dead don't care.  They can't feel guilt or shame.  The anecdote about the young patient means that no one educated the young patient on the basics of what is happening and why.

As it pertains to COVID19, which is the point at hand, there is most definitely a battle being fought.  The cytokine storm and blood clots are collateral damage from that battle against an invading organism.  There is a very clearly defined loser here, of no fault of his own will, because it's a flawed premise that it is a wilful decision.  His body fought hard.  It lost.  It's not his fault, and it's a tragedy.
 
2020-07-06 3:04:29 AM  

bhcompy: Their entire point was wrong(it's a flawed premise that it's a wilful decision) and cancer is a different disease(not that it matters all that much, but there are semantic differences).  The dead don't care.  They can't feel guilt or shame.  The anecdote about the young patient means that no one educated the young patient on the basics of what is happening and why.


Except you're still wrong, because when people say things like that, the people CURRENTLY struggling with cancer and chemo hear it.  That was the point.  That people currently ALIVE hear 'he fought so hard' and consciously or subconsciously feel like it's their fault that their 'battle' is going badly and start doing worse.  It's no different than the studies that showed that telling patients that people were praying for them statistically affected recovery rates compared to either nothing at all, or having people pray for them without telling them.
 
2020-07-06 3:57:29 AM  
Dammit. Saw him in Waitress and loved/hated him because the character he played, Earl. I've been following his sickness since it was first reported.  Waitress has a place in my heart for many reasons and now so does he.

RIP
 
2020-07-06 4:44:59 AM  
And now his wife is stuck with paying medical bills. She was reminiscing theIr house to pay bills.

But Covid is not really bad, and single payer health care is communism.
 
2020-07-06 6:13:45 AM  

luna1580: he was in the ICU for 95 days, the vast majority of that on a vent, he lost a leg, went into septic shock at least once, had at least 2 strokes, received a pacemaker, had a tracheostomy, was in need of a lung transplant.....

am i a bad person for mentally considering him dead over a month ago? if he had somehow lived he would have spent the rest of his life with very significant brain damage after all that.

it is horrible his son will never know his dad, and his wife's grief must be immense, but nick would never have had good quality of life ever again.

but remember kids, us younger people aren't in any danger if we contract COVID, both trump AND desantis said so!


He was in line for a double lung transplant.
 
2020-07-06 7:19:56 AM  
So, time to re-open, right?
 
2020-07-06 8:23:02 AM  

Hanky: R.I.P. Nick Nolte

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I love Fark and have been here for a long time. Sometimes I also hate it. When people do shiat like this is when I hate it. You should be ashamed.
 
2020-07-06 8:33:00 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: And now his wife is stuck with paying medical bills. She was reminiscing theIr house to pay bills.

But Covid is not really bad, and single payer health care is communism.


um, refinancing their house.
 
2020-07-06 8:40:15 AM  

punkwrestler: luna1580: he was in the ICU for 95 days, the vast majority of that on a vent, he lost a leg, went into septic shock at least once, had at least 2 strokes, received a pacemaker, had a tracheostomy, was in need of a lung transplant.....

am i a bad person for mentally considering him dead over a month ago? if he had somehow lived he would have spent the rest of his life with very significant brain damage after all that.

it is horrible his son will never know his dad, and his wife's grief must be immense, but nick would never have had good quality of life ever again.

but remember kids, us younger people aren't in any danger if we contract COVID, both trump AND desantis said so!

He was in line for a double lung transplant.


From what I was reading, it was from a result of the damage caused by the virus. I can't find any information where this was a pre existing condition.
 
2020-07-06 9:18:56 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: punkwrestler: luna1580: he was in the ICU for 95 days, the vast majority of that on a vent, he lost a leg, went into septic shock at least once, had at least 2 strokes, received a pacemaker, had a tracheostomy, was in need of a lung transplant.....

am i a bad person for mentally considering him dead over a month ago? if he had somehow lived he would have spent the rest of his life with very significant brain damage after all that.

it is horrible his son will never know his dad, and his wife's grief must be immense, but nick would never have had good quality of life ever again.

but remember kids, us younger people aren't in any danger if we contract COVID, both trump AND desantis said so!

He was in line for a double lung transplant.

From what I was reading, it was from a result of the damage caused by the virus. I can't find any information where this was a pre existing condition.


you are 100% correct. a 41 year old man, who trained for decades to sing professionally, with enough projection to go unmiked when need be, and was married to a fitness trainer, had very functional lungs. they were damaged beyond repair directly by the virus and associated inflammation, and i think by several subsequent severe infections that arose in the 3 months he was immobile and on a vent.

i was a little confused by someone pointing it out, as it was the last (chronologically and likely the final, fatal medical condition) i mentioned. the whole "many survivors are being found to have lung damage that will likely be life-long" thing is not a joke. and the idea of long-term ventilator use, and the virus itself directly, doing damage to the brain is also true. for the people severely afflicted this is an incredibly dangerous virus.
 
2020-07-06 9:33:33 AM  

Hanky: R.I.P. Nick Nolte

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Seriously, GFY
 
2020-07-06 11:24:58 AM  
I can't understand this virus at all. A friend of mine who got it just had a bit of a cough for a couple of weeks. His wife and son may have caught it but never displayed any symptoms. He is not in great aerobic shape at all. This fellow in top shape has a leg amputated, two strokes, septic shock and permanent lung damage before succumbing. How does that even work? Is it the clotting that got this guy? Could the early misdiagnosis have played a part in this?
 
2020-07-06 12:05:00 PM  
If anything good comes from this tragedy, it will be to put another crack in the "Only old people die from COVID-19" bullshattery that trumpers constantly push while trying to excuse stupid behavior.

Anyone can get it.
Anyone can become sick.
Anyone can die.
It does not matter if you're a marathon runner or do nothing but eat pizza all day.
The virus is that random.
Take this shat seriously.
Distance, Isolation, Hygiene, Masks.
Do it.
 
2020-07-06 12:10:44 PM  

Enomai: I can't understand this virus at all. A friend of mine who got it just had a bit of a cough for a couple of weeks. His wife and son may have caught it but never displayed any symptoms. He is not in great aerobic shape at all. This fellow in top shape has a leg amputated, two strokes, septic shock and permanent lung damage before succumbing. How does that even work? Is it the clotting that got this guy? Could the early misdiagnosis have played a part in this?


IANAD:  I'm betting initial viral load has some relevance, but not the whole story.  Seems like if the virus gets a beach head before your body gets ahead of it on immune response you're going to have a bad time.  High initial viral load, low immune response due to excessive partying, random luck, if it takes hold it goes real bad for the person.
 
2020-07-06 12:43:13 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: Enomai: I can't understand this virus at all. A friend of mine who got it just had a bit of a cough for a couple of weeks. His wife and son may have caught it but never displayed any symptoms. He is not in great aerobic shape at all. This fellow in top shape has a leg amputated, two strokes, septic shock and permanent lung damage before succumbing. How does that even work? Is it the clotting that got this guy? Could the early misdiagnosis have played a part in this?

IANAD:  I'm betting initial viral load has some relevance, but not the whole story.  Seems like if the virus gets a beach head before your body gets ahead of it on immune response you're going to have a bad time.  High initial viral load, low immune response due to excessive partying, random luck, if it takes hold it goes real bad for the person.


Makes sense, I've been pretty hardline about 8 hours of sleep, zinc 30 supp, vitamin d3 supp, no drinking, quit weed, b complex supp, and so on for the last 3 months. Still best not to catch it.
 
2020-07-06 12:58:43 PM  

luna1580: he was in the ICU for 95 days, the vast majority of that on a vent, he lost a leg, went into septic shock at least once, had at least 2 strokes, received a pacemaker, had a tracheostomy, was in need of a lung transplant.....

am i a bad person for mentally considering him dead over a month ago? if he had somehow lived he would have spent the rest of his life with very significant brain damage after all that.

it is horrible his son will never know his dad, and his wife's grief must be immense, but nick would never have had good quality of life ever again.

but remember kids, us younger people aren't in any danger if we contract COVID, both trump AND desantis said so!


It's harder to make that jump with younger patients, but no, you're not wrong to have seen the writing on the wall.

Generally. When somebody is in bad shape with organs failing and rather than improve daily, they just have more organs fail, that's a sign of where things are going.

I appreciate the difficulty and the pain involved in this case, but I'm 44 and hope my wife pulls the plug when the writing is on the wall.  Not because of a quality of life (because I'm adaptable and would hope to be there for my kids), but because it's inevitable.

There is no worse feeling in healthcare than reeling like you're doing procedures on a dead man.  But alas, the decision is deeply personal and emotional and you have to respect family.
 
2020-07-06 1:01:28 PM  

goodncold: nitrowhip: 91 days.  So awful.

So does that means we can expect a sudden spike of deaths of people who have silently been battling this thing for months or is he an outlier?


He's an outlier.  Average between infection and death is something like 21 days.
 
2020-07-06 1:13:30 PM  

bhcompy: LowbrowDeluxe: Your typo actually saved you.  Because if you meant to say 'that have absolutely no effect' then you would be absolutely wrong, as that was the entire point of that person's post.

2020 still can't edit Fark posts

Their entire point was wrong(it's a flawed premise that it's a wilful decision) and cancer is a different disease(not that it matters all that much, but there are semantic differences).  The dead don't care.  They can't feel guilt or shame.  The anecdote about the young patient means that no one educated the young patient on the basics of what is happening and why.

As it pertains to COVID19, which is the point at hand, there is most definitely a battle being fought.  The cytokine storm and blood clots are collateral damage from that battle against an invading organism.  There is a very clearly defined loser here, of no fault of his own will, because it's a flawed premise that it is a wilful decision.  His body fought hard.  It lost.  It's not his fault, and it's a tragedy.


Look, they were trying to educate you a bit.  It doesn't matter what you say here.  He certainly won't hear it and his family won't read it.  It's just good information to have if you are ever in a situation to talk to a patient with a potentially deadly illness.  Try to stay away from the battle and fight metaphors because people do in fact end up feeling like they failed if they are dying.

And you can educate kids all you want, but kids will be perceptive about language used around them and will still take it to heart.  Unless you explicitly tell them to ignore that type of well-intentioned language, but then again, it would be easier to just avoid that language.

Stick with we love you, you're in great hands, we will take care of you, we are here for you, etc.  Don't give them any responsibility to be strong for you.  You should be telling them you'll be strong for them.

And again, I realize that the fight and battle.language is well intentioned, but it has some unforseen interpretations amongst patients and patients' family.
 
2020-07-06 1:15:08 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: And now his wife is stuck with paying medical bills. She was reminiscing theIr house to pay bills.

But Covid is not really bad, and single payer health care is communism.


Hopefully his insurance had an out of pocket max.  I think mine is 13k per year for individuals and I think 26k for the whole family.

Hopefully, can't stress that enough.
 
2020-07-06 1:18:18 PM  

rewind2846: If anything good comes from this tragedy, it will be to put another crack in the "Only old people die from COVID-19" bullshattery that trumpers constantly push while trying to excuse stupid behavior.

Anyone can get it.
Anyone can become sick.
Anyone can die.
It does not matter if you're a marathon runner or do nothing but eat pizza all day.
The virus is that random.
Take this shat seriously.
Distance, Isolation, Hygiene, Masks.
Do it.


Sadly, the MAGAts don't follow the Broadway scene.  They won't know anything about this.
 
2020-07-06 1:21:43 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: Enomai: I can't understand this virus at all. A friend of mine who got it just had a bit of a cough for a couple of weeks. His wife and son may have caught it but never displayed any symptoms. He is not in great aerobic shape at all. This fellow in top shape has a leg amputated, two strokes, septic shock and permanent lung damage before succumbing. How does that even work? Is it the clotting that got this guy? Could the early misdiagnosis have played a part in this?

IANAD:  I'm betting initial viral load has some relevance, but not the whole story.  Seems like if the virus gets a beach head before your body gets ahead of it on immune response you're going to have a bad time.  High initial viral load, low immune response due to excessive partying, random luck, if it takes hold it goes real bad for the person.


There's probably more to it than that.  There's receptor variations between populations, variations in the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system, variations in immune response, variations in clotting cascade reactions, etc, etc, etc.  We are going to be studying this virus for a long time.  And I think the answers we get from it are going to improve ICU care for a lot of illnesses beyond COVID.  Just like war,unfortunately, had improved our trauma care.
 
2020-07-06 2:02:55 PM  

rga184: LowbrowDeluxe: Enomai: I can't understand this virus at all. A friend of mine who got it just had a bit of a cough for a couple of weeks. His wife and son may have caught it but never displayed any symptoms. He is not in great aerobic shape at all. This fellow in top shape has a leg amputated, two strokes, septic shock and permanent lung damage before succumbing. How does that even work? Is it the clotting that got this guy? Could the early misdiagnosis have played a part in this?

IANAD:  I'm betting initial viral load has some relevance, but not the whole story.  Seems like if the virus gets a beach head before your body gets ahead of it on immune response you're going to have a bad time.  High initial viral load, low immune response due to excessive partying, random luck, if it takes hold it goes real bad for the person.

There's probably more to it than that.  There's receptor variations between populations, variations in the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system, variations in immune response, variations in clotting cascade reactions, etc, etc, etc.  We are going to be studying this virus for a long time.  And I think the answers we get from it are going to improve ICU care for a lot of illnesses beyond COVID.  Just like war,unfortunately, had improved our trauma care.


Good point. If you're a doctor, can I ask the following? If ACE inhibitors upregulate the ACE2 enzyme, can you speculate what response (slight, severe) a person with an allergy to that class of medications might have to COVID19?
 
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