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(Guardian)   Republicans try to come together to take on Trump:"We've got to do something." Well, can you go back in time and nominate an actual politician as your presidential candidate? If not, shut up   (theguardian.com) divider line
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2020-07-05 9:32:57 PM  
They could get in the house and start up impeachment proceedings again.
They could have the party elite go to him and tell him to step down.

They could remove his name from the ballots.
 
2020-07-05 9:37:20 PM  
Republicans had the chance in January and decided the law doesn't matter and they were sticking with an incompetent racist that engages in criminal acts pretty much daily. Republicans bought their ticket and the country is burning for their anti-American actions.
 
2020-07-05 10:01:21 PM  
Feb. 5, 2020
 
2020-07-05 10:26:53 PM  
Good grief subby, we aren't picking out china patterns, we are trying to get rid of the worst human ever to sit in the Oval office.  Once the election is over it isn't like we owe them anything.  They can fark right off at that point but until then we need them to help get rid of that festering piece of shiat.
 
2020-07-05 11:22:17 PM  
Do something?  Leave the party, obviously.  If you're not on board with Trump, you're not a Republican.
 
2020-07-05 11:39:07 PM  

pearls before swine: Do something?  Leave the party, obviously.  If you're not on board with Trump, you're not a Republican.


If you're in the Republican Party, you're on board with Trump.
There's no middle ground.
 
2020-07-06 12:04:18 AM  

propasaurus: pearls before swine: Do something?  Leave the party, obviously.  If you're not on board with Trump, you're not a Republican.

If you're in the Republican Party, you're on board with Trump.
There's no middle ground.


There is another option - they could stop protecting him.  They could try to save their party by taking control of the damn message, coordinating the attack, blocking every stupid thing he does and making him irrelevant, to include a brokered convention and the nomination of someone else for the General Election.

But they won't, but because they agree with his agenda. They just don't like that he says the quiet parts out loud and f*cks up every time he turns around.
 
2020-07-06 12:34:44 AM  
Trump golfed for at least 365 days.
Not kidding at all, he's spent a minimum of year of his presidency playing golf.

He has an incapacitating addiction to golf. I spend less time using marijuana than he has devoted to golf.

25th Amendment now!
 
2020-07-06 12:53:07 AM  

Purple_Urkle: Trump golfed for at least 365 days.
Not kidding at all, he's spent a minimum of year of his presidency playing golf.

He has an incapacitating addiction to golf. I spend less time using marijuana than he has devoted to golf.

25th Amendment now!


Trump is still a Bogey golfer with cheating.
 
2020-07-06 2:39:34 AM  

Purple_Urkle: Trump golfed for at least 365 days.
Not kidding at all, he's spent a minimum of year of his presidency playing golf.

He has an incapacitating addiction to golf. I spend less time using marijuana than he has devoted to golf.

25th Amendment now!


And he was forced to stay away from the course for three months this year.  Just think what he could have gotten his record up to.
 
2020-07-06 3:23:19 AM  

Purple_Urkle: Trump golfed for at least 365 days.
Not kidding at all, he's spent a minimum of year of his presidency playing golf.

He has an incapacitating addiction to golf. I spend less time using marijuana than he has devoted to golf.

25th Amendment now!


You'd rather he actually work toward destroying America? I'd rather he golf even more, if possible.
 
2020-07-06 3:24:43 AM  
Let's see...
- plant poison ivy on the 18th hole at Mar-A-Lago.
- Convince him that it's Mar-A-Lagos, and there's a prince with a few million for him to grift there.
- Fill his bronzer dispenser with liquid broze, so he is both immobilised and can become a statue in his proposed memorial garden.
- Send him to the penthouse in trump tower, then disable all the elevators - we can send him KFC by drone.
- Cut off his twitter feed

or,
- support a different candidate (failing that, simply stop supporting him)
- invoke the 25th,
- impeach and remove after all
- go back to the Mueller report, admit he's a crook, and have him arrested and prosecuted

so,so many options for Republicans.
so,so few cojones amongst them.
 
2020-07-06 3:24:50 AM  
They had their chance in March of 2017.

Since then it's been spin & damage control.
 
2020-07-06 3:27:30 AM  
Alternately, a quick sworn deposition from Ghislane Maxwell could do the trick.
 
2020-07-06 3:47:22 AM  

dildo tontine: They can fark right off at that point but until then we need them to help get rid of that festering piece of shiat.


Jeez, what did festering pieces of shiat do to deserve that comparison?
 
2020-07-06 3:51:39 AM  
They had a chance to do something. But they did not even allow for witness testimony.
 
2020-07-06 3:55:28 AM  
To paraphrase Obadia Stane in Iron Man, 'If you'd gotten rid of him when we told him to, you'd still have your face.'
 
2020-07-06 3:56:22 AM  
Breaking things is what the GOP does - followed by blaming their political rivals. Who're they going to pin with having broken their own party? And, even if the Democrats wanted to, how could they fix it?

I remember believing the GOP would cut Trump loose once he was less useful. The impeachment was their last exit; and they missed it.

Fark 'em all.
 
2020-07-06 3:56:59 AM  
The leaks were shots over the bow. He won't budge, apparently. He is either is owned through blackmail or he knows he does not have to budge. What is coming?
 
2020-07-06 3:59:35 AM  

eurotrader: Republicans had the chance in January and decided the law doesn't matter and they were sticking with an incompetent racist that engages in criminal acts pretty much daily. Republicans bought their ticket and the country is burning for their anti-American actions.


They still have judges they need packed onto the courts.  And the chance that a liberal SCOTUS judge might die or retire.  Securing power at any cost is their only agenda now.
 
2020-07-06 4:08:52 AM  
Kanye West is your only hope, Republicans!
 
2020-07-06 4:11:05 AM  
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2020-07-06 4:12:38 AM  

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That picture is all one needs to make sure he doesn't get votes.
 
2020-07-06 4:49:40 AM  
He will burn the party to the ground if you move against him now. Or if he even THINKS you're moving agianst him.

You have sown the wind, now reap the whirlwind. Dance for the apotheosis of your party.
 
2020-07-06 5:25:01 AM  
The framers of the constitution probably should've put something in there about removing a president if they were acting outside of their authority.

Then we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
 
2020-07-06 5:35:24 AM  
They're quickly running out of time if they want to push him out before the campaign season kicks off in earnest. If they make it to the convention, they're stuck with him, and best believe they'll fall in line behind him.

Have to think Pence would be a much stronger candidate in a lot of ways - he brings the "adult in the room" gravitas that blunt's Biden number one selling point, while still arguing the "centre-right" ideology (Low taxes and Jesus and a belief that America is Great will see us through!) that appeals to most Americans.

However, he doesn't have the cult of personality, which is hugely important in protecting Trump from scandal. The kinds of things that bounce off of Trump would weigh on Pence like an anchor.
 
2020-07-06 5:40:21 AM  

Shaggy_C: They're quickly running out of time if they want to push him out before the campaign season kicks off in earnest. If they make it to the convention, they're stuck with him, and best believe they'll fall in line behind him.

Have to think Pence would be a much stronger candidate in a lot of ways - he brings the "adult in the room" gravitas that blunt's Biden number one selling point, while still arguing the "centre-right" ideology (Low taxes and Jesus and a belief that America is Great will see us through!) that appeals to most Americans.

However, he doesn't have the cult of personality, which is hugely important in protecting Trump from scandal. The kinds of things that bounce off of Trump would weigh on Pence like an anchor.


Pence was going to lose re-election for governership in INDIANA before he was brought on as VP, though.

And not only will he not command Trump's cult of personality, Trump would almost certainly seek vengeance for such a 'betrayal'.
 
2020-07-06 5:46:45 AM  

eurotrader: Republicans had the chance in January and decided the law doesn't matter and they were sticking with an incompetent racist that engages in criminal acts pretty much daily. Republicans bought their ticket and the country is burning for their anti-American actions.


To be fair, none of the Republicans in these anti-Trump groups are Congressmen and at least a few of them were urging Congress to impeach. They are still scum of the earth mind you, but the action you suggest was not available to them.

At this point, the Republican Party needs to die. These anti-Trump conservatives would be better off organizing a new conservative party, with fewer racists and let the Republicans fade into a regional party of irrelevant racists.
 
2020-07-06 5:52:16 AM  

Purple_Urkle: Trump golfed for at least 365 days.
Not kidding at all, he's spent a minimum of year of his presidency playing golf.

He has an incapacitating addiction to golf. I spend less time using marijuana than he has devoted to golf.

25th Amendment now!


I think that's his time at his own properties. It also excludes his executive time. He has accomplished a LOT in a very little time doing or presiding his various malevolence.
His actual golf is a mere 275 or so days.

Frankly, I'm amazed that this lazy incompetent a-hole was able to go full kleptocratic racist dictator and still have a viable shot. I think when we look at the misdeeds, we will be extraordinarily impressed at a lot of the efficiency and planning that went into the way his team managed this.

I'm sure this isn't cognitive dissonance, too. They're just not concerned about the US national interest.
 
2020-07-06 6:24:19 AM  
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2020-07-06 6:46:33 AM  
Cult!
 
2020-07-06 6:56:46 AM  

DannyBrandt: The framers of the constitution probably should've put something in there about removing a president if they were acting outside of their authority.

Then we wouldn't even be having this discussion.


They did. It's called impeachment and conviction.
 
2020-07-06 6:58:43 AM  

qorkfiend: DannyBrandt: The framers of the constitution probably should've put something in there about removing a president if they were acting outside of their authority.

Then we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

They did. It's called impeachment and conviction.


They didn't foresee political parties.. let alone that one would turn against the country.
 
2020-07-06 6:59:44 AM  

Alphax: qorkfiend: DannyBrandt: The framers of the constitution probably should've put something in there about removing a president if they were acting outside of their authority.

Then we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

They did. It's called impeachment and conviction.

They didn't foresee political parties.. let alone that one would turn against the country.


They did. They themselves formed them.
 
2020-07-06 7:03:48 AM  

qorkfiend: Alphax: qorkfiend: DannyBrandt: The framers of the constitution probably should've put something in there about removing a president if they were acting outside of their authority.

Then we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

They did. It's called impeachment and conviction.

They didn't foresee political parties.. let alone that one would turn against the country.

They did. They themselves formed them.


Afterwards.  Not while writing the Constitution.  Washington himself didn't join one.
 
2020-07-06 7:03:50 AM  
(Republican concerning intensifies)
 
2020-07-06 7:04:42 AM  
There is a very simple, and pretty solid solution to this problem.

Ramp up impeachment 2.0.  In less than a week, you could have him out on his ass.
 
2020-07-06 7:06:45 AM  

Shaggy_C: They're quickly running out of time if they want to push him out before the campaign season kicks off in earnest. If they make it to the convention, they're stuck with him, and best believe they'll fall in line behind him.

Have to think Pence would be a much stronger candidate in a lot of ways - he brings the "adult in the room" gravitas that blunt's Biden number one selling point, while still arguing the "centre-right" ideology (Low taxes and Jesus and a belief that America is Great will see us through!) that appeals to most Americans.

However, he doesn't have the cult of personality, which is hugely important in protecting Trump from scandal. The kinds of things that bounce off of Trump would weigh on Pence like an anchor.


Yeah to the cultist Pence is about as exciting as a glass of water and a piece of wonder bread.
 
2020-07-06 7:11:58 AM  

Alphax: qorkfiend: Alphax: qorkfiend: DannyBrandt: The framers of the constitution probably should've put something in there about removing a president if they were acting outside of their authority.

Then we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

They did. It's called impeachment and conviction.

They didn't foresee political parties.. let alone that one would turn against the country.

They did. They themselves formed them.

Afterwards.  Not while writing the Constitution.  Washington himself didn't join one.


They did. That's what the federalists and the anti-federalists were. Whether Washington personally acknowledged the federalists is irrelevant.

Additionally, the founders amended the Constitution twelve times. They obviously possessed both the will and ability to make any changes they believed necessary.

Do not make the mistake of thinking these men were naive.
 
2020-07-06 7:13:12 AM  
"OK, we'll continue to kiss his ass to the point of obsequiousness, and do exactly what his administration tells us to do under every ingle circumstance. That outta fix this."
 
2020-07-06 7:15:19 AM  
Don't be so goddamn stupid
Don't be so goddamn racist
Don't be so goddamn evil
Don't be so goddamn greedy
Don't be so goddamn small
That would help
 
2020-07-06 7:22:33 AM  
Many in these groups never supported Trump.

You will get a hell of a lot further supporting and shielding these groups than standing on the sideline, yelling and kicking them while they are down. They are trying to return the Republican Party back to decency and eliminate the threat of the very existence of our country.

If you are smart, stand with them.

The more you shield them from Trump, the less threat Trump is to banish them from the party, and the louder their influence and chorus grows.
 
2020-07-06 7:23:30 AM  

CheatCommando: These anti-Trump conservatives would be better off organizing a new conservative party, with fewer racists and let the Republicans fade into a regional party of irrelevant racists.


There is no such thing as an anti-Trump conservative, and there is no such thing as a non-racist Republican.
 
2020-07-06 7:30:38 AM  
These people are like the shiathead students who ignore every concerned email about their grade, show zero interest in the extra credit opportunities provided throughout the year, and make no effort to participate in class. Then a week before grades are due, they come crying with a sob story about how important it is to pass.

Offering to make a grand gesture at the 11th hour proves one thing -- you have known all along. And regardless of what happens, you will have learned exactly dick-all. In this moment, you claim to feel a sense of urgency, but it's pure bullshiat, because you have spent absolutely no time in introspection, examining your choices and mistakes that have led up to this moment. There will be no reflection on what you've learned and how to do things differently in the future.

You are, and will continue to be, ignorant asswipes who will forget all about this feeling the second some sparkly new dumpster-fire candidate comes along. And it will probably be Ted Cruz or someone else with enough sense to put a veneer of respectability over the same shiatty agenda Trump is pushing now, and we will be back to square one.
 
2020-07-06 7:31:40 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: propasaurus: pearls before swine: Do something?  Leave the party, obviously.  If you're not on board with Trump, you're not a Republican.

If you're in the Republican Party, you're on board with Trump.
There's no middle ground.

There is another option - they could stop protecting him.  They could try to save their party by taking control of the damn message, coordinating the attack, blocking every stupid thing he does and making him irrelevant, to include a brokered convention and the nomination of someone else for the General Election.

But they won't, but because they agree with his agenda. They just don't like that he says the quiet parts out loud and f*cks up every time he turns around.


PRECISELY. The GOP time and again have said that it's the how the message is being delivered that is at issue, not the message. This is one of many reasons why people like Frank Luntz are particularly insidious.

Oh, and...

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2020-07-06 7:33:28 AM  

Felgraf: Pence was going to lose re-election for governership in INDIANA before he was brought on as VP, though.

And not only will he not command Trump's cult of personality, Trump would almost certainly seek vengeance for such a 'betrayal'.


Ah, but you are neglecting the fact that the Republican candidate will nationally attract 40% of the vote at minimum for no other reason that they have an "R" next to their name. Even "RINO" types like John McCain saw themselves rise sharply in popularity as soon as the Right Wing Noise Machine got their hands on them. Hell, they* got Trump elected, and he sucks as a candidate on paper.

The real question is whether an ousted Trump would try to pull something together 3rd party or just slither away back to the golf course and hurl Twitter insults like he did prior to 2016.

*with a bit of help from our friends the Russians, of course
 
2020-07-06 7:59:18 AM  
Invoke the 25th A
 
2020-07-06 8:00:44 AM  

Shaggy_C: They're quickly running out of time if they want to push him out before the campaign season kicks off in earnest. If they make it to the convention, they're stuck with him, and best believe they'll fall in line behind him.

Have to think Pence would be a much stronger candidate in a lot of ways - he brings the "adult in the room" gravitas that blunt's Biden number one selling point, while still arguing the "centre-right" ideology (Low taxes and Jesus and a belief that America is Great will see us through!) that appeals to most Americans.

However, he doesn't have the cult of personality, which is hugely important in protecting Trump from scandal. The kinds of things that bounce off of Trump would weigh on Pence like an anchor.


Pence is the far weaker candidate.

Trump being Trump is what bring Trumpers out. I bet half of them couldn't pick Pence out of a crowd. And even if it did happen, he would have to spend the whole campaign explaining why he never once went against Trump. He would get annihilated.
 
2020-07-06 8:02:25 AM  

Ktonos: Benevolent Misanthrope: propasaurus: pearls before swine: Do something?  Leave the party, obviously.  If you're not on board with Trump, you're not a Republican.

If you're in the Republican Party, you're on board with Trump.
There's no middle ground.

There is another option - they could stop protecting him.  They could try to save their party by taking control of the damn message, coordinating the attack, blocking every stupid thing he does and making him irrelevant, to include a brokered convention and the nomination of someone else for the General Election.

But they won't, but because they agree with his agenda. They just don't like that he says the quiet parts out loud and f*cks up every time he turns around.

PRECISELY. The GOP time and again have said that it's the how the message is being delivered that is at issue, not the message. This is one of many reasons why people like Frank Luntz are particularly insidious.

Oh, and...

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Will Paul Ryan even get a footnote in history books at this point

Being a Republican I think his future will be running as president at some point to sell a book
 
2020-07-06 8:04:25 AM  
Trump is literally right wing-ism made flesh. Republicans will never do anything about him because they have no morals and are basically automatons of dipshiattery *whiirrrr*click*whirrr* MUST STIGGINIT *click*click*whirrrrr*

When right wingers themselves pull down Trump I'll believe they're ready to join the human race. Until then they are less than shiat to me.

I'm so farking sick of hearing these terrorists say shiat like "I'm really a moderate that loves America" none of those farking things are true, trash human.
 
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