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(News 5 Cleveland)   Terry Francona: "Even at my age, you don't want to be too old to learn or to realize that maybe I've been ignorant of some things, and to be ashamed of it, and to try to be better"   (news5cleveland.com) divider line
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2020-07-05 8:22:12 PM  
Wow.  I'm sure I'm not the first, but may I suggest the Cleveland River Inferno?

/or just Inferno, with a burning river in the logo
 
2020-07-05 8:38:49 PM  
Good for him.  If only more people would do this - say, "You know, I used to think that way, but I've learned more and I've realized I was wrong."  It would solve so many problems.
 
2020-07-05 8:41:03 PM  
I'm not sure "ashamed" is the proper word but you can tell for as loquacious as Terry Francona is, he was trying to be a little careful in playing the PR game yet also be himself so I'll cut him some slack on that. Francona just seems like a pretty likable fellow.

Near the end of a season, Tom Hamilton will have (mostly) interesting fans up in the radio booth for an inning or two. Probably pushing ten years now, he had a husband and wife from the United Kingdom up there.

They had wanted to go to America but couldn't decide where so they (said, at least) they did the ol' blindfolded dart thing and Cleveland was the closest big city to where the dart landed. They saw the Chief Wahoo logo around town but didn't know what it was so they started asking and soon enough, they went to Jacobs Field to take in their first baseball game.

The husband was a train usher in the UK. From his telling, ushers don't use their real names so it is less easy for people to track them down. I assume that was made policy after some incidents. The guy liked baseball and the Indians so much that the fake name on his uniform was either "Feller" or "Bob Feller."

Just for fun I think it'd be interesting to know their perspective on this.

I don't remember when they started taking vacations in Cleveland but the Cleveland tourism videos were made long after so they weren't lured by that. I do like the thought of limeys going to Cleveland as a vacation spot.

I also like that 9% of the respondents in the replacement name poll voted for the "Midges."
 
2020-07-05 8:42:26 PM  
I've loved Francona since 2004 and not just after the World Series win. He has always been funny and thoughtful. I understood why the Red Sox had to fire him. If they had just left him be it would have been OK. But they have to smear him on the way out, posing him to be a drug addict. I stopped watching baseball and subsequently stopped listening to sports radio in the summer.

A lot of good came from that. Turned on to podcasts, I subscribe to dozens. Freed up my summer nights. I watched exactly four innings of baseball in 2013 including the final inning of the world series where I remember after the final out just thinking..."Huh...good for them." Not the jumping up and down and calling my sister or any of that.

I did tune in a little bit more recently because of their young players, but I already know they'll give me another reason to hate them. Probably already have.

Rant off. TLDR, Francona is a good guy.
 
2020-07-05 8:44:05 PM  

Naido: Wow.  I'm sure I'm not the first, but may I suggest the Cleveland River Inferno?

/or just Inferno, with a burning river in the logo


I'm knowingly skirting the rules on this but I think I'm probably okay since I'll be very vague. Not trying to be a problem, Moderator.

No email listed in your profile or I'd say in more detail but that was a very thoughtful post from the other day.
 
2020-07-05 8:49:04 PM  

WoodyHayes: Naido: Wow.  I'm sure I'm not the first, but may I suggest the Cleveland River Inferno?

/or just Inferno, with a burning river in the logo

I'm knowingly skirting the rules on this but I think I'm probably okay since I'll be very vague. Not trying to be a problem, Moderator.

No email listed in your profile or I'd say in more detail but that was a very thoughtful post from the other day.


You can use Naido@ultrafark for absolutely anything
 
2020-07-05 8:49:10 PM  

jaylectricity: I've loved Francona since 2004 and not just after the World Series win. He has always been funny and thoughtful. I understood why the Red Sox had to fire him. If they had just left him be it would have been OK. But they have to smear him on the way out, posing him to be a drug addict. I stopped watching baseball and subsequently stopped listening to sports radio in the summer.

A lot of good came from that. Turned on to podcasts, I subscribe to dozens. Freed up my summer nights. I watched exactly four innings of baseball in 2013 including the final inning of the world series where I remember after the final out just thinking..."Huh...good for them." Not the jumping up and down and calling my sister or any of that.

I did tune in a little bit more recently because of their young players, but I already know they'll give me another reason to hate them. Probably already have.

Rant off. TLDR, Francona is a good guy.


I got to know Mr. Francona a little bit when I was a PA at ESPN in 2004 & you are correct. He's a really thoughtful guy & I was happy for him, and for all of New England when the Red Sox won it all in 2004.

That said, had the Astros made the World Series that year, I would have obviously cheered for my team, and would have never been welcomed back in a six-state region.
 
2020-07-05 8:56:52 PM  
But for the artifial turf at The Big O in Montreal Francona probably would have gone into the BBHOF as a player he was that good a hitter.  Pete Rose called Francona's bat a magic wand.
 
2020-07-05 9:23:25 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Good for him.  If only more people would do this - say, "You know, I used to think that way, but I've learned more and I've realized I was wrong."  It would solve so many problems.


I agree. I've been reading about Daryl Davis and how he talked to so many Klansmen and helped them decide that they were wrong and quit the Klan. Listening to a long-form interview now, but I hear he has his own podcast and/or book.
 
2020-07-05 9:26:07 PM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: jaylectricity: I've loved Francona since 2004 and not just after the World Series win. He has always been funny and thoughtful. I understood why the Red Sox had to fire him. If they had just left him be it would have been OK. But they have to smear him on the way out, posing him to be a drug addict. I stopped watching baseball and subsequently stopped listening to sports radio in the summer.

A lot of good came from that. Turned on to podcasts, I subscribe to dozens. Freed up my summer nights. I watched exactly four innings of baseball in 2013 including the final inning of the world series where I remember after the final out just thinking..."Huh...good for them." Not the jumping up and down and calling my sister or any of that.

I did tune in a little bit more recently because of their young players, but I already know they'll give me another reason to hate them. Probably already have.

Rant off. TLDR, Francona is a good guy.

I got to know Mr. Francona a little bit when I was a PA at ESPN in 2004 & you are correct. He's a really thoughtful guy & I was happy for him, and for all of New England when the Red Sox won it all in 2004.

That said, had the Astros made the World Series that year, I would have obviously cheered for my team, and would have never been welcomed back in a six-state region.


I hadn't given you a color yet, but I usually try to color everybody that either lives around here or roots for the teams I root for in red. I know /politics people use that for Republicans, although I think they all switched it to orange now. But I have a fuzzy memory that I knew you were around here.

I'm not asking about your political views at the moment, but if you don't mind me asking, what state you live in?
 
2020-07-05 9:32:43 PM  

jaylectricity: Straight Outta Wells Branch: jaylectricity: I've loved Francona since 2004 and not just after the World Series win. He has always been funny and thoughtful. I understood why the Red Sox had to fire him. If they had just left him be it would have been OK. But they have to smear him on the way out, posing him to be a drug addict. I stopped watching baseball and subsequently stopped listening to sports radio in the summer.

A lot of good came from that. Turned on to podcasts, I subscribe to dozens. Freed up my summer nights. I watched exactly four innings of baseball in 2013 including the final inning of the world series where I remember after the final out just thinking..."Huh...good for them." Not the jumping up and down and calling my sister or any of that.

I did tune in a little bit more recently because of their young players, but I already know they'll give me another reason to hate them. Probably already have.

Rant off. TLDR, Francona is a good guy.

I got to know Mr. Francona a little bit when I was a PA at ESPN in 2004 & you are correct. He's a really thoughtful guy & I was happy for him, and for all of New England when the Red Sox won it all in 2004.

That said, had the Astros made the World Series that year, I would have obviously cheered for my team, and would have never been welcomed back in a six-state region.

I hadn't given you a color yet, but I usually try to color everybody that either lives around here or roots for the teams I root for in red. I know /politics people use that for Republicans, although I think they all switched it to orange now. But I have a fuzzy memory that I knew you were around here.

I'm not asking about your political views at the moment, but if you don't mind me asking, what state you live in?


I'm down here in Austin. Grew up in Houston.
 
2020-07-05 9:36:26 PM  
jaylectricity:

But they have to smear him on the way out, posing him to be a drug addict

Yeah, that was waaaayyy out of line.  You know what, would you even do that to an *actual* drug addict?  And to what end?

I lived in Boston (well, worked there, lived in Waltham then Fall River) for a while, and had always hated the Yankees, so I started to root for the Sox in most situations.  I've pretty much stopped watching baseball in the last couple of years, but I had stopped rooting for the Red Sox even earlier.  That really, really hit a nerve with me.  Even some of the most regressive workplaces in the country had already stopped doing that kind of crap.
 
2020-07-05 10:04:08 PM  
i love tito, glad he's been managing 2 teams i root for for so long.  i'll miss him when he finally retires
 
2020-07-05 10:19:59 PM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: jaylectricity: Straight Outta Wells Branch: jaylectricity: I've loved Francona since 2004 and not just after the World Series win. He has always been funny and thoughtful. I understood why the Red Sox had to fire him. If they had just left him be it would have been OK. But they have to smear him on the way out, posing him to be a drug addict. I stopped watching baseball and subsequently stopped listening to sports radio in the summer.

A lot of good came from that. Turned on to podcasts, I subscribe to dozens. Freed up my summer nights. I watched exactly four innings of baseball in 2013 including the final inning of the world series where I remember after the final out just thinking..."Huh...good for them." Not the jumping up and down and calling my sister or any of that.

I did tune in a little bit more recently because of their young players, but I already know they'll give me another reason to hate them. Probably already have.

Rant off. TLDR, Francona is a good guy.

I got to know Mr. Francona a little bit when I was a PA at ESPN in 2004 & you are correct. He's a really thoughtful guy & I was happy for him, and for all of New England when the Red Sox won it all in 2004.

That said, had the Astros made the World Series that year, I would have obviously cheered for my team, and would have never been welcomed back in a six-state region.

I hadn't given you a color yet, but I usually try to color everybody that either lives around here or roots for the teams I root for in red. I know /politics people use that for Republicans, although I think they all switched it to orange now. But I have a fuzzy memory that I knew you were around here.

I'm not asking about your political views at the moment, but if you don't mind me asking, what state you live in?

I'm down here in Austin. Grew up in Houston.


OK, let me rephrase...where did you live when you thought rooting for the Astros would upset people?
 
2020-07-05 10:24:01 PM  

Naido: jaylectricity:

But they have to smear him on the way out, posing him to be a drug addict

Yeah, that was waaaayyy out of line.  You know what, would you even do that to an *actual* drug addict?  And to what end?

I lived in Boston (well, worked there, lived in Waltham then Fall River) for a while, and had always hated the Yankees, so I started to root for the Sox in most situations.  I've pretty much stopped watching baseball in the last couple of years, but I had stopped rooting for the Red Sox even earlier.  That really, really hit a nerve with me.  Even some of the most regressive workplaces in the country had already stopped doing that kind of crap.


The thing is, that ownership group does it all the time. And Francona was the first manager that did something that made them a billion dollars.

People like to get on the Red Sox (and Boston) about racism. That isn't even really a problem with this century's version of the organization. Sure, a few idiots in the crowd make headlines and people act like the Red Sox are inviting the Klan to watch their games.

Their main problem, and it isn't even hurting them is how quickly they turn on the people that help them because they believe they need some sort of PR boost.
 
2020-07-05 10:38:45 PM  

jaylectricity: Straight Outta Wells Branch: jaylectricity: Straight Outta Wells Branch: jaylectricity: I've loved Francona since 2004 and not just after the World Series win. He has always been funny and thoughtful. I understood why the Red Sox had to fire him. If they had just left him be it would have been OK. But they have to smear him on the way out, posing him to be a drug addict. I stopped watching baseball and subsequently stopped listening to sports radio in the summer.

A lot of good came from that. Turned on to podcasts, I subscribe to dozens. Freed up my summer nights. I watched exactly four innings of baseball in 2013 including the final inning of the world series where I remember after the final out just thinking..."Huh...good for them." Not the jumping up and down and calling my sister or any of that.

I did tune in a little bit more recently because of their young players, but I already know they'll give me another reason to hate them. Probably already have.

Rant off. TLDR, Francona is a good guy.

I got to know Mr. Francona a little bit when I was a PA at ESPN in 2004 & you are correct. He's a really thoughtful guy & I was happy for him, and for all of New England when the Red Sox won it all in 2004.

That said, had the Astros made the World Series that year, I would have obviously cheered for my team, and would have never been welcomed back in a six-state region.

I hadn't given you a color yet, but I usually try to color everybody that either lives around here or roots for the teams I root for in red. I know /politics people use that for Republicans, although I think they all switched it to orange now. But I have a fuzzy memory that I knew you were around here.

I'm not asking about your political views at the moment, but if you don't mind me asking, what state you live in?

I'm down here in Austin. Grew up in Houston.

OK, let me rephrase...where did you live when you thought rooting for the Astros would upset people?


In 2004, the Astros played in the NLCS against the Cardinals. That team had Roger Clemens AND Andy Pettitte. So if the Astros made it to the World Series against the Red Sox, I would have rooted for my team. And I would have never been welcome back in New England.
 
2020-07-05 11:01:50 PM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: jaylectricity: Straight Outta Wells Branch: jaylectricity: Straight Outta Wells Branch: jaylectricity: I've loved Francona since 2004 and not just after the World Series win. He has always been funny and thoughtful. I understood why the Red Sox had to fire him. If they had just left him be it would have been OK. But they have to smear him on the way out, posing him to be a drug addict. I stopped watching baseball and subsequently stopped listening to sports radio in the summer.

A lot of good came from that. Turned on to podcasts, I subscribe to dozens. Freed up my summer nights. I watched exactly four innings of baseball in 2013 including the final inning of the world series where I remember after the final out just thinking..."Huh...good for them." Not the jumping up and down and calling my sister or any of that.

I did tune in a little bit more recently because of their young players, but I already know they'll give me another reason to hate them. Probably already have.

Rant off. TLDR, Francona is a good guy.

I got to know Mr. Francona a little bit when I was a PA at ESPN in 2004 & you are correct. He's a really thoughtful guy & I was happy for him, and for all of New England when the Red Sox won it all in 2004.

That said, had the Astros made the World Series that year, I would have obviously cheered for my team, and would have never been welcomed back in a six-state region.

I hadn't given you a color yet, but I usually try to color everybody that either lives around here or roots for the teams I root for in red. I know /politics people use that for Republicans, although I think they all switched it to orange now. But I have a fuzzy memory that I knew you were around here.

I'm not asking about your political views at the moment, but if you don't mind me asking, what state you live in?

I'm down here in Austin. Grew up in Houston.

OK, let me rephrase...where did you live when you thought rooting for the Astros would upset people?

In 2004, the Astros played ...


That's not true. shiat...there's still some old timers here that root for the Giants because that's who people around here rooted for before the Patriots were started.

But noted...I will remove the red and change it to green as somebody whose posts I often enjoy.
 
2020-07-05 11:10:18 PM  
jaylectricity:

I will say that they handled the recent story about racist fans pretty well.  Immediately acknowledged the problem; I think a lot of American franchise owners, in the NFL particularly, would've have chosen to strike a more defensive tone
 
2020-07-05 11:15:15 PM  

Naido: jaylectricity:

I will say that they handled the recent story about racist fans pretty well.  Immediately acknowledged the problem; I think a lot of American franchise owners, in the NFL particularly, would've have chosen to strike a more defensive tone


Well...but that's recently, with all these protests going on. They're looking at public relations. That's what they do.

Back when Adam Jones said stuff they took a more, "We would never promote that behavior and we're not sure it even happened," stance.

I'll tell you that Fenway Park is full of liberals that would Karen the f*ck out of somebody that called a player a racial slur.

And I feel dirty for using "Karen" in a way that makes Karens everywhere a justifiable hill to die on.
 
2020-07-06 12:52:12 AM  

jaylectricity: Straight Outta Wells Branch: jaylectricity: Straight Outta Wells Branch: jaylectricity: Straight Outta Wells Branch: jaylectricity: I've loved Francona since 2004 and not just after the World Series win. He has always been funny and thoughtful. I understood why the Red Sox had to fire him. If they had just left him be it would have been OK. But they have to smear him on the way out, posing him to be a drug addict. I stopped watching baseball and subsequently stopped listening to sports radio in the summer.

A lot of good came from that. Turned on to podcasts, I subscribe to dozens. Freed up my summer nights. I watched exactly four innings of baseball in 2013 including the final inning of the world series where I remember after the final out just thinking..."Huh...good for them." Not the jumping up and down and calling my sister or any of that.

I did tune in a little bit more recently because of their young players, but I already know they'll give me another reason to hate them. Probably already have.

Rant off. TLDR, Francona is a good guy.

I got to know Mr. Francona a little bit when I was a PA at ESPN in 2004 & you are correct. He's a really thoughtful guy & I was happy for him, and for all of New England when the Red Sox won it all in 2004.

That said, had the Astros made the World Series that year, I would have obviously cheered for my team, and would have never been welcomed back in a six-state region.

I hadn't given you a color yet, but I usually try to color everybody that either lives around here or roots for the teams I root for in red. I know /politics people use that for Republicans, although I think they all switched it to orange now. But I have a fuzzy memory that I knew you were around here.

I'm not asking about your political views at the moment, but if you don't mind me asking, what state you live in?

I'm down here in Austin. Grew up in Houston.

OK, let me rephrase...where did you live when you thought rooting for the Astros would upset people?

In 2004, the Astros played ...

That's not true. shiat...there's still some old timers here that root for the Giants because that's who people around here rooted for before the Patriots were started.

But noted...I will remove the red and change it to green as somebody whose posts I often enjoy.


I appreciate the kind words. Thank you.

That said, nah...had I been cheering on Roger Clemens to strike out Papí in Hartford, I would have been run straight out of the state. The only sin worse would have been to say that Diana Taurasi was both overrated & ugly (neither of which are true, by the way).
 
2020-07-06 1:18:23 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Good for him.  If only more people would do this - say, "You know, I used to think that way, but I've learned more and I've realized I was wrong."  It would solve so many problems.


I used to think literate people who could speak in complete sentences made good presidents. But I've learned more and I've realized I was wrong.
 
2020-07-06 1:23:40 AM  
Too bad Reds is already taken. (get it? browns/reds? get it?)
 
2020-07-06 4:37:01 AM  
"Cleveland NotDetroits" is still available
 
2020-07-06 6:55:22 AM  
Up next, Kansas City Chiefs
 
2020-07-06 8:52:06 AM  

Boondock3806: Benevolent Misanthrope: Good for him.  If only more people would do this - say, "You know, I used to think that way, but I've learned more and I've realized I was wrong."  It would solve so many problems.

I used to think literate people who could speak in complete sentences made good presidents. But I've learned more and I've realized I was wrong.


It's been awhile since we've had a literate president. Roughly four years, I reckon.
 
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2020-07-06 8:56:25 AM  

mikaloyd: Up next, Kansas City Chiefs


Why not braves?
 
2020-07-06 9:30:36 AM  
Damn - Drew Brees really IS leading by example.
 
2020-07-06 9:35:18 AM  

mikaloyd: Up next, Kansas City Chiefs


I was thinking the Dallas Cowboys after the Cleveland Indians.
 
2020-07-06 10:51:53 AM  
Cleveland Kickapoos has a certain ring to it, no?
 
2020-07-06 11:45:15 PM  

Naido: jaylectricity:

I will say that they handled the recent story about racist fans pretty well.  Immediately acknowledged the problem; I think a lot of American franchise owners, in the NFL particularly, would've have chosen to strike a more defensive tone


The NFL doesn't have to worry about racist fan articles until they get past their problem of racist owners.
 
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